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Who's Afraid of Hillary Clinton?

27 Apr 2007 05:50 pm

Ramesh Ponnuru writes:

Sen. Clinton said last night that Republicans were afraid to run against her. I don't think that's right: I think that right now the conventional wisdom among Republicans is that Obama would be a stronger candidate. I think that CW is wrong, myself: I think Clinton's relative hawkishness, greater experience with tough elections (albeit at her husband's side rather than running herself), and more practical approach to politics will make her seem more presidential than him. It also makes me prefer her to him in the primary, not that I'll be voting in it.

My own sense is that Hillary has a slightly better chance of winning against a strong Republican candidate than Obama does - but that Obama has a much higher potential upside if things go well for him. His lack of experience, both in elective office and in competitive races, could mean that he'd get exposed in the general election and "opened up like a soft peanut" by a savvy GOP campaign, whereas Hillary is battle-hardened enough that there's less of a risk of her falling apart under pressure. But if Clinton wins, it's more likely to be a Bush-style victory - 50-52 percent of the vote in polarized electorate - whereas Obama, if he proves tough enough to take what the GOP throws at him, actually has a chance at the landslide that Karl Rove always dreamed of.

This Rasmussen survey is particularly telling:

Thirty-three percent (33%) of Likely Voters say they’d definitely vote for Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D). That’s the highest total received by any of ten leading Presidential hopefuls included in the poll. Thirty-three percent (33%) also say they’d definitely vote against Obama giving him a net differential of zero . . . Other polling during the past month found Obama’s favorability ratings have increased to the highest level of any 2008 candidate.

As for Hillary . . .

Opinions are most solid concerning the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, New York Senator Hillary Clinton—78% have an opinion of whether they’ll definitely vote for or against her regardless of who she runs against. That includes 30% who would definitely vote for the former First Lady and 48% who would definitely vote against her.

A third of the electorate is undecided on Obama; less than a quarter is undecided on Hillary. And she's losing the people who are decided by eighteen percentage points. You can win an election with those numbers, but you can’t win it by much.

Comments (8)

Obama seems to me to be a likeable guy, wheras I doubt that even some of Hillary's supporters find her likeable. It may be, however, that after two 'likeable guys' in Clinton and Bush Jr, from both of whom the gloss rather wore off (although it seems to me that Bush has rehabilitated Clinton somewhat just through being so enormously unpopular himself), the electorate are more amenable to someone displaying dour competence.

Surely a lot, though, will come down to the identity of the Republican nominee, whose image will have been shaped, and presumably somewhat damaged, by their own nomination struggles. Pollsters check out possible matchups, but those are based on relatively little voter awareness of the candidates and their positions (that's particlarly true of Giuliani, Romney and Obama, from the top-tier candidates); the more you know politicians, the less you like them, but people feel, rightly or wrongly, that they know Hillary already. She may not have much further to fall.

Was Margaret Thatcher likable? Golda Meir? Indira Gandhi?

Luke: I don't know how the Meir and Gandhi were perceived in their own countries, and you appear to be picking female leaders (where my general point was about likeability regardless of the sex of the candidate, as evidenced by my mentioning Bush and Clinton) but Thatcher was elected in a country (my own country of origin) that hasn't traditionally valued likeability in its leaders. I can't think of any British Prime Ministers in my lifetime that have been particularly likeable (Blair came the closest, I imagine, but his attempts at blokeishness surely didn't really convince anyone). In the US, however, I would say that Bush Jr, Clinton and Reagan all prospered in part because of their personal charm.

My paranoid fear is a flashback of the 70s. We're coming off of an unpopular war and flirting with Stagflation. Obama, the fresh new face relatively untainted by the cynical politics of the last several years, acts in a responsible fashion...and is crucified. Sort of a Ford/Carter hybrid. Ford presided over the fall of Vietnam and pardoned Nixon. Carter told us to turn down the thermostat and wear a sweater. Both were, in some form or fashion, trying to do the right thing and heal the wounded nation. Both were turned on by the nation and attacked as foolish, naive, and weak (and later, in better and kinder times, saw their stock rise).

I really believe the next president is going to be walking into a buzzsaw. Getting out of Iraq while being criticised viciously (you know the Republicans in the House can't wait to be in the opposition). Ugly scenes to rival the fall of Saigon....only covered by the 24/7 News industry and parsed, stretched, and distorted by the bloggers. Iran asserting itself in nasty ways. If there are US Sailors or Soldiers snatched the Carter comparisons will really fly. Trade with China is getting ugly and probably will escalate to full-on spat by '08. The debt, the deficit and the expiration of the Bush tax "cuts" (read "deferrals") all coming home to roost just as the first Boomers start getting really, really interested in Social Security and Medicare. Whoever takes the job will be eaten alive by it.

If history rhymes, we probably will get an idealist that ends the long cynical night...in 2012.

I'll wait until the Clinton team fires its first shot across the bow. Mrs. Clinton is no fresh face, and I think she and her team are quietly waiting fro a more time appropriate take-down of Mr. Obama, with a contingency plan for Edwards. I think Obama's rhetoric is actually somewhat refreshing, but his policies will present very serious problems in a general election; and we have no idea of his personal life.

My money is on a Hillary-Edwards ticket (with the VP slot offered Edwards as a concession for pulling out). Edwards is young enough to run after a two-term Hillary presidency, and I think he'd take the slot.

Nice Obama/Clinton risk/return analysis, btw. I agree. Hillary is the U.S. Treasury bond of candidates while Obama is the hedge fund gamble. Seems a lot like Kerry/Dean to me...

It appears to me that Hillary Clinton is the only major Democratic nominee that will lose to the top three Republicans (except maybe Romney). Say what you want about him, Obama and his wife seem like normal people. The same with Edwards. Hillary seems fake and harsh. I do not believe more than 40% of men in the country will vote for her. Her numbers among women are not high enough to make up that insuperable problem.

If the nominee is Giuliani, McCain or Romney conservative turnout or third-party voting becomes a problem for Republicans. Hillary magically solves that problem, creating entire battalions of "broken-glass" Republicans by her very prescence. Obama and Edwards just don't do that.

In fact, if John McCain is the nominee we could see a 40 state blow-out against Hillary. Thompson might make it 45 states.

Republicans should be cheering for her. The worst possible outcome for Repubicans is someone other than Hillary being the nominee.

John: Surely we have plenty of ideas about Obama's personal life if he wrote truth in his book?

Clinton has taken Kentucky and Obama is right there in Oregon.
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates – as CNN points out clearly

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Obama Supporters:

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...