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The Democrats and the War

25 May 2007 12:09 am

Matt writes:

To me, the only real explanation for Democratic behavior is this. The party's leadership and political thinkers simply can't conceive of national security issues as anything other than a source of potential political problems to be coped with, never as a set of potential political opportunities. Since congress can't unilaterally end the war, then, there's no reason to have a confrontation with Bush; national security debates are just pure downside. Overwhelming polling data backing the liberal position isn't a reason to go on offense, it's a reason to think Democrats can succeed in slinking away.

I know the conventional wisdom on the left is that all the Republican politicians who are talking about September as a hard deadline for the surge to show results will end up falling in line behind Bush when the crucial moment arrives. But if the GOP is still staring at numbers like these come the fall, well, I don't are how many Victory Caucuses Hugh Hewitt founds, a lot more Republicans besides Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith are going to decide that Iraq isn't worth their jobs, and as Rod says, the end-the-war wind will be at the Democrats' back from then on out.

From my "give the surge a chance" point of view, waiting till the fall is the right thing to do, and from the country's perspective there's a lot to be said for having a controversial occupation come to an end under something approaching bipartisan auspices. From a purely partisan-Democratic point of view, though, I take Matt's point: If the Democratic Party were conditioned to think of foreign-policy debates as things to be won, rather than avoided, I don't think you would have seen so swift a climb-down on a question where public opinion is clearly on their side, and I certainly don't think you would have seen so much fretting in the Democratic ranks about the need to get a bill to Bush's desk by Memorial Day Weekend. E.J. Dionne is right that ultimately, the Dems can't end the war without defunding the troops, and they aren't going to do that (yet) - but he's also right that as a matter of tactics, the Democrats had more to gain than to lose by forcing an unpopular President to veto popular legislation at least one more time. It's hard not to think that if the Republicans had a wartime issue where 63 percent of the country agreed with them - which is the percentage of the public that wants a timetable for leaving Iraq - they would be thinking more about how to go for the jugular, and less about the risks associated with having a President whose approval rating is mired in the low 30s accuse them of being unpatriotic over a holiday weekend.

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This is a fine post, particularly comparing the instincts of the Congressional GOP to its Democratic counterparts.

Dionne's invoking of something Goldwater said in 1960 is off base. The Democrats who are opposed to this bill have a deeply felt belief that an ongoing war is getting American servicemen killed for no benefit to American interests, and scarce benefit to Iraqis. Compromising on a few platform planks at a convention is just not a valid point of comparison.

I'd just point out that "defunding the troops" is GOP newspeak. Congress would vote to end funding for combat operations in Iraq. No one would is advocating leaving troops in a battle zone without ammunition and supplies, for gosh sakes.

Republicans don't have to worry about being called unpatriotic. Democrats do.

"a lot more Republicans besides Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith are going to decide that Iraq isn't worth their jobs"

You are assuming that those Republicans "besides Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith" would obtain a net of votes in 2008 by abandoning the war. I challenge that assumption. Perhaps they would gain some votes of "moderate" voters. That would be offset by disgusted Republicans who refused to vote for them.

Since McGovern Democrats have been weak on serious issues of national security. The party of Wilson, FDR, Truman, and Kennedy has become the that of Carter, REid, Pelosi, and Schumer.

Whatever one's views on the wisdom of fighting Iraq in 2003, the reality now is that scuttling Iraq would probably result in some sort of Shiite/Sunni genocide that would involve Iran, Saudi Arabia et al in a far worse Middle East conflagration. Bernard Lewis recently remarked that America is in danger of being regarded as a weal enemy and a treacherous ally.

"Since congress can't unilaterally end the war, then, there's no reason to have a confrontation with Bush"

Congress can unilaterally end the war. If they defunded the war, the president would have no choice but to bring the troops home. That's de facto power to remove the troops.

Of course, the Republicans would spin it as the Democrats abandoned the troops, which is what Democrats are really afraid of.

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Of course, the Republicans would spin it as the Democrats abandoned the troops, which is what Democrats are really afraid of.

Right, that would just be "spin".

It's hard not to think that if the Republicans had a wartime issue where 63 percent of the country agreed with them - which is the percentage of the public that wants a timetable for leaving Iraq

So what? Of course people would like Iraq to be "over". But how many polls ask them about realistic alternatives? If the poll question stated that setting a timetable would be announcing our date of withdrawl, handing a victory to Al Qaeda and Iran's mullahs, how many people would vote in favor of it?

- they would be thinking more about how to go for the jugular, and less about the risks associated with having a President whose approval rating is mired in the low 30s accuse them of being unpatriotic over a holiday weekend.

Congress's approval ratings are lower than Bush's.


The neocon war needs to end. The Democrats have shown themselves to be cowards by not defunding the war.

But the biggest issue is immigration: big business is using third-world immigration to drive down American wages...and many Democrats are supporting it, selling out the middle class to get new Hispanic votes.

http://www.bluedogdemocrats.us/


I'd vote Republican, Constitution Party, or America First Party before I'd vote for cowards like these Democrats.

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