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The New Left 2.0

01 May 2007 06:23 pm

In his new TNR essay on the netroots, Jon Chait compares them to both the Christian Right and the conservative movement more generally. I think Chait's analysis of the "movement" quality of the netroots is spot-on, but he glides over what seems like a significant distinction between "movement" conservatism and netroots liberalism - namely, the extent to which the latter is tied less to any specific set of issues than to a hatred of the present Administration and all its works. I'm not saying that such passion isn't a good catalyst for organizational and electoral success, but I'm less sure that it's the kind of thing that sustains a movement in the long term, the way the conservative movement was sustained by a series of major policy goals - from reversing Roe v. Wade to shrinking the size of government to defeating Communism - over the course of its decades-long rise. The gang at National Review weren't involved in political journalism just because they hated JFK and the liberal establishment; the ideas drove the politics, not the other way around.

Obviously netroots liberals do have policy goals - as Chait says, they tend to hail from the leftward flank of the Democratic Party, which means they'd like to see the usual round of universal health care, stricter regulations to combat global warming, increased spending on anti-poverty programs, and so forth. But none of these issues seem to inspire nearly the same kind of passion that, say, rolling back marginal tax rates or ramping up military spending inspired in the New Rightists of the '60s and '70s. Netroots liberals may cheer when the Democratic Congress exhumes the ERA, say, or "comparable worth," but that's not why they're in politics - they're in politics to end the Iraq War and beat the Republican Noise Machine at its own game. And the consequence, for liberalism and the country, may be that once the war is over and Bush has exited stage right, we'll be left with a new movement liberalism that imitates the worst qualities of the contemporary conservative movement - the team-player mentality, the obsession with keeping "our guys" in power and "their guys" out - without having bothered to acquire any more substantive reason for being in politics. Markos Moulitsas says he wants to imitate Grover Norquist; the danger is that he's starting out where Norquist has finished up.

Comments (18)

I think it is safe to say that the netroots movement is only going to grow in numbers and strength while the Iraq War continues. Once we finally withdraw our troops it will be very interesting to see where the netroots movement will go.

My guess is that if a Democrat is elected president in 2008 and we withdraw our troops shortly thereafter the netroots will splinter fairly quickly.

The New Right - emerging from the ashes of the Goldwater defeat - operated in a (generally) liberal/left environment. Academia, the press, the culture all were dominated by liberals.

As such, the tendency of movements to become insular or self-contained was greatly mitigated. Much of the excesses on the Right were thus cleansed, either by the more sensible elements of the Right or by the liberal/left waters in which they operated.

Because of this lack of insularity, the Right was forced to come up with new ideas (who is the netroot's Kirk or Richard Weaver?) that would withstand the critical scrutiny both from outsiders and from those inside the movement. The movement had to be more than just opposition to the liberal/left power holders. It had to have an affirmative message, one that would unite the movement and withstand external criticism.

This is completely absent from the netroots. They are insular and incapable of presenting new ideas. Indeed, many of them eschew the very idea of having to come up with new programs, new approaches to the problems that a post-industrial commercial republic has to face in a global world.

Power. That's all. It's about defeating Bush and the neocons. But after attaining power, what do they want to do with it? The opposition has been defeated. But for what?

They may win elections. But can they govern?

I think you get this largely right, Ross.

I think that Chait overlooks context-- it's fine to compare the netroots to 1964-era Phyllis Schlafly in that both wanted to be more partisan, but one of them was right on policy and politics, and the other wasn't.

He also overlooks the importance of the Iraq war. As I put it on my blog, Over four years ago, we stumbled unprepared into an unnecessary, catastrophic war, because the right wing message machine-bred GOP thought it might be fun. The centrism-uber-alles Democratic Party went along, and the lazy mainstream media, cowed by attacks from the right, failed to even try to report the facts on Saddam's WMD program. The Iraq invasion was the product of a debased, one-sided, rhetoric-over-reality political culure.

I don't see the netroots degenerating into Norquist-Abramoff-DeLay-Rove-Gingrich-like behavior because, as you point out, the netroots is devoted to the sound political and policy pursuit of opposing the Bush administration, not to a consuming hatred of government or any other such enduring or ideological goal.

I'm tempted to agree with this but I do feel that netroot liberal types are united by a few visceral causes: the environment being one and the separation of church and state being another. The latter may be a reactionary movement, but if so it certainly is in the same way the march against judicial activism is.
There really is no foreign policy there, and there's only so much one can get amped up over the issues surrounding universal health care before one falls asleep.

The key is that the defining moment for the Right movement was Goldwater's 1964 blowout, while the movement for the netroots was Florida's recount. The right needed to find some way to get the American public on their side. The left believed it already had the American public on it's side. Both Grover Norquist and the netroots operate under the assumption that Americans naturally want big government activism and only by great political and marketing ingenuity can they be dissuaded from this tendency.

Depending on your perspective, you can call that ingenuity "new ideas", or you can call it dishonesty.

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"the netroots is devoted to the sound political and policy pursuit of opposing the Bush administration,"

And once they're gone (the Bushies), the netroots do what? What is the unifying theme or goal? It's Oakland: There no there there.

The New Right of the 1960 was more than just an oppositional movement to the Great Society or New Deal programs. They did create an affirmative program.

My guess is just like anti-communism united or fused the various groupings on the Right, anti-Bushism unifies the netroots. But once the Soviet Union collapsed, the Right began to splinter into its various factions.

Take away Bush and the netroots may undergo a similar splintering.

Yes, we agree, SMGalbraith.

The netroots will not wind up, as I wrote above, "degenerating into Norquist-Abramoff-DeLay-Rove-Gingrich-like behavior." They are, rather, a necessary corrective to the right-wing message machine that dominates the MSM. The sad decline of Mark Halperin over the last couple years is emblematic of the MSM's cowering before the almighty GOP message machine. The netroots won't allow reporters to degenerate into stenography again, as they did at the inopportune moment of a war sold on false pretenses.

Also, the Democratic Party now has a place to turn for factual and moral support when the MSM and Fox Noise attack over nonsense like Pelosi's "controversial" plane rides.

Also, I agree with Digby-- I don't know of anyone on the left with anything remotely approaching the terminal dishonesty or instinctive deference to the Party and the Dear Leader of people like Hugh Hewitt.

All the advice to Dems, from the "respectable" MSM, in the past 15 years has been, "oh, don't do anything to irritate Republicans!" Sometimes that is good advice, and sometimes it isn't. The netroots just provides some balance.

The Netroots "movement" will collapse when the next 9/11 happens combined perhaps with a conflagration in the Middle East should the Democrats mange to scuttle Iraq.

The Netroots "movement" will collapse when the next 9/11 happens combined perhaps with a conflagration in the Middle East should the Democrats mange to scuttle Iraq.

I don't think anything could be further from the truth. In fact, another 9/11 if politicized by the Republicans (and of course it would be) would give the netroots "movement" renewed strength.

As far as the Democrats managing to "scuttle Iraq." That's just silly. Iraq is already a disasterous mess and the netroots, quite rightly, puts the blame for that squarely on Bush and the Republicans. And if things get worse after we eventually leave? Well, the netroots is hardly going to forget who got is into the mess to start with. Chaos in Iraq post-U.S. troops is expected (even among the netroots). But chaos already exists in Iraq and the netroots believes that it will continue regardless of whether the U.S. maintains a presence there.

The netroots has one strength that the Conservative movement doesn't have. The Chait article focused on the lack of policy ideas of Markos Moulitsas, but the genious of dailykos and the wider network of sites is that you have thousands of people each with their own policy ideas... many of them are professional experts. New ideas that strike a chord get linked and commented on across the netroots and eventually expand outward. (bad ideas theoretically should expand less) This process combines idea formation with simultaneous building of grassroots support and lobbying. This is a potent combination and in some ways has much more potential than the Conservative think tank approach.

As a taste of the type of things forming, look at:
http://www.ea2020.org/drupal/node
It's a full energy proposal coming out of netroots connections. Agree or disagree with points in the proposal, it is a serious policy statement and it's a taste of the type of things to coe.

The netroots right now is mostly (or only, depending on how you care to look at it) focused on stopping Bush because it's by far the most important thing on their agenda.

Once he's stopped you're bound to see some splitting as the netroots focus on policies. (You see some of it now in debating how Dems should move forward after the veto.)

But it's understandable that the main thing they're focused on is the thing they feel is the most important.

"They are, rather, a necessary corrective to the right-wing message machine that dominates the MSM. "

Yikes. The right wing _dominates_ the MSM? Dominates the MSM? The MSM as in the NY Times? CBS? CNN?

Dominates?

Outside of Fox - which is clearly a conservative-biased or slanted network - where else does the "right wing" "dominate" the media?

And please don't tell me you're a member of the group that thinks Chris Matthews is a White House apologist.

You're right, SMG, I regretted using that word "dominates."

When narratives develop that are unfair to Democrats-- I see Rick Stengel's recent comments as emblematic of the kind of bias the MSM has vs. them-- there is now a way to hit back with facts.

The right-wing machine has been effective at influencing the media-- you're right, of course, that it's exaggeration to say "dominates".

At this point, the netroots is largely reactive, and focused on resistance to things that President Bush wants to do (ie, violate the constitution). I don't see it degenerating into anything like the cheerfully amoral Norquist-Abramoff axis.

That said, I advise you to read Glenn Greenwald and Media Matters for how the other side views things, SMG.

Elvis, good comments. It's so weird seeing how the right views the leftie netroots and blogs. I can't deny we are angry, but if you folks think it is just hatred of the administration you need to think again.

We are mad at the FDA doing 47% inspections while our kids and animals are getting sick. We are angry about NCLB not getting enough funding so our kids "isn't" learning. We are furious about the policization of the justice dept. We are worried sick that the country no longer has a working disaster agency. Do I need to go on?

It's become obvious that the right can't govern. You all had 6 years of almost complete power and look at the country. So, it seems to me that once the war is over we have a lot of mopping up to do.

The right has made a mess and they'll be leaving it up to the left to clean it up. So, yeah, I'm mad.

Markos Moulitsas says he wants to imitate Grover Norquist; the danger is that he's starting out where Norquist has finished up.

Umm, where did I say that?

Reading comprehension. Give it a try.

I'm also bothered by the "team-player mentality." I don't think that the netroots will collapse once Bush disappears, but I do think some splintering would be a could thing.

Right now, the "either you're on the team or you're not" atmosphere stifles debate and closes off thought.