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Cruisin' With The Right

26 Jun 2007 03:29 pm

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I know it's been a whole ten years since Eric Alterman unburdened himself of 5,000 words on the plutocratic excesses of the NR cruise for the Nation - only to have his own magazine start cruising itself shortly thereafter - but the bulk of Johann Hari's dispatch from the belly of the conservative beast feels stale to me even so. The concept is part Hunter S. Thompson, part David Foster Wallace, and part Tom Wolfe; the execution has a college journalism-ish, "find a place where the wackos gather and make fun of them" feel to it. (Who would have ever guessed that Muslim-bashing, Jimmy Carter-hating wingnuts go on ideological cruises? Next up: "Berkeley - It's Still Full of Marxists!") I've done some of those myself; I should know.

Still, it's worth reading for the miniature portrait of Bill Buckley and Norman Podhoretz, passing like, er, ships in the night:

Following the break, Norman Podhoretz and William Buckley--two of the grand old men of the Grand Old Party--begin to feud. Podhoretz will not stop speaking--"I have lots of ex-friends on the left; it looks like I'm going to have some ex-friends on the right, too," he rants--and Buckley says to the chair, "Just take the mike, there's no other way." He says it with a smile, but with heavy eyes.

Podhoretz and Buckley now inhabit opposite poles of post-September 11 American conservatism, and they stare at wholly different Iraqs. Podhoretz is the Brooklyn-born, street-fighting kid who traveled through a long phase of left- liberalism to a pugilistic belief in America's power to redeem the world, one bomb at a time. Today, he is a bristling gray ball of aggression, here to declare that the Iraq war has been "an amazing success." He waves his fist and declaims, "There were WMD, and they were shipped to Syria. ... This picture of a country in total chaos with no security is false. It has been a triumph. It couldn't have gone better." He wants more wars, and fast. He is "certain" Bush will bomb Iran, and "thank God" for that.

Buckley is an urbane old reactionary, drunk on doubts. He founded National Review in 1955--when conservatism was viewed in polite society as a mental affliction--and he has always been skeptical of appeals to "the people," preferring the eternal top-down certainties of Catholicism. He united with Podhoretz in mutual hatred of Godless Communism, but, slouching into his eighties, he possesses a worldview that is ill-suited for the fight to bring democracy to the Muslim world. He was a ghostly presence on the cruise at first, appearing only briefly to shake a few hands. But now he has emerged, and he is fighting.

"Aren't you embarrassed by the absence of these weapons?" Buckley snaps at Podhoretz. He has just explained that he supported the war reluctantly, because Dick Cheney convinced him Saddam Hussein had WMD primed to be fired. "No," Podhoretz replies. "As I say, they were shipped to Syria. During Gulf war one, the entire Iraqi air force was hidden in the deserts in Iran." He says he is "heartbroken" by this "rise of defeatism on the right." He adds, apropos of nothing, "There was nobody better than Don Rumsfeld. This defeatist talk only contributes to the impression we are losing, when I think we're winning."

The audience cheers Podhoretz. The nuanced doubts of Bill Buckley leave them confused ...

There's a much longer piece here waiting to be written, I think, which would use the divide that's opened between the grand old man of conservatism and the grand old man of neoconservatism to illuminate the Iraq War's impact on the American Right. To his credit Hari recognizes the story he's stumbled on and tries to go after it, interviewing both Buckley and Podhoretz about their differences. But the frame of his piece remains the cruise - the wingnuts at his tables, the chance encounters with Kenneth Starr, etc. - so the Buckley-Pod joint profile never finds the air it needs to breathe.

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Comments (20)

Ross. I actually did find the Muslim-bashing interesting. I have read Alterman’s piece, but this is sort of an update. I do find it interesting that intelligent, wealthy conservatives don’t make the careful distinctions that (some) National Review writers do when talking about Islam—slipping right into racist rants. Also, the fact that Lowry’s point about Iraq not being an unqualified success was met with such astonishment is really telling.

Plus, it might be noted that, for whatever reason, the type of publications that Berkeley Marxists read are not nearly as mainstream as is National Review.

Yeah, David has a point here. The conservative id is not nearly as careful as the spun & polished version we see on display even in the National Review, much less from the mouths of GOP politicians.

As David also points out, you should please be aware that Berkeley Marxists are less influential than Mark Steyn.

It's quite convenient to profess boredom when confronted with your tribe's transgressions. Jonah Goldberg is huge on calling Valerie Plame and James Dobson "boring." I don't identify particularly strongly as a Democrat, so I don't think I'd have this reaction to a similar story... but I might have it in response to a story on, say, corruption in baseball.

As someone who recently left Berkeley, I can say that Marxists are few and far between. And with a median home price around $650K its gettng fewer and farther.

It's hilarious the way neo cons act like simply being pro war makes them "brave" and gives them the right to smear an elderly man, one of their mentors, as a "coward." Why buy a convertible to compensate for your tiny wee wee, you can vote Republican.

Ross, I think that what this article illuminates in its own way (and not necessarily the best way) is the incoherence of the (largely neo)conservative view of the world. This perspective is so devoid from reality that the result is that conservatives have very few good ideas to offer right now. To me, this is the main problem with conservatism today. Most of its ideas are bad.

One can counter with the fact that many of liberalism's ideas are bad too, and that's rather accurate. But that doesn't excuse the intellectual vacuum that current conservatives operate in. And the current indication is that today's leading conservatives are not trying to understand why their view of the world is incomplete and how to improve it, but rather are becoming more and more insistent that the world is the way they want it to be and filtering world events through such a prism.

Frankly, I find it very hard to find much that passes for intelligent conservative opinion in the marketplace of ideas. (Your blog is an exception and hence I make an effort to read it on a regular basis.)

"I do find it interesting that intelligent, wealthy conservatives don’t make the careful distinctions that (some) National Review writers do when talking about Islam—slipping right into racist rants."

I also have trouble withstanding the gravitational pull of alliterative rhetoric, but castigating religions, ideologies, paradigms -- even if done ignorantly and/or hatefully -- is not racism.

Please accept this.

Foot Note to above:

See Christopher Hitchens' "God is Not Great", which is, by the force of David's logic, a racist tome.

John read this excerpt:

"The idea that Europe is being "taken over" is the unifying theme of this cruise. Some people go on singles' cruises, some on ballroom-dancing cruises. This is the Muslims Are Coming cruise. Everyone thinks it. Everyone knows it. And the man most responsible for this insight is sitting only a few tables down: Mark Steyn. He is wearing sunglasses on top of his head and a bright shirt. Steyn's thesis in his new book, America Alone, is simple: The "European races"--i.e., white people--"are too self-absorbed to breed," but the Muslims are multiplying quickly. The inevitable result will be "large-scale evacuation operations circa 2015" as Europe is ceded to Al Qaeda and "Greater France remorselessly evolve[s] into Greater Bosnia." He offers a light smearing of dubious demographic figures--he needs to turn 20 million European Muslims into more than 150 million in nine years, which is a lot of humping--to "prove" his case.

But facts, figures, and doubt are not on the itinerary of this cruise. With one or two exceptions, the passengers discuss "the Muslims" as a homogenous, sharia-seeking block--already with near-total control of Europe. Over the week, I am asked nine times--I counted--when I am fleeing Europe's encroaching Muslim population for the safety of the United States.

At one of the seminars, a panelist says anti-Americanism comes from both directions in a grasping pincer movement--"The Muslims condemn us for being decadent; the Europeans condemn us for not being decadent enough." Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz's wife, yells, "The Muslims are right, the Europeans are wrong!" And, instantly, Jay Nordlinger, National Review's managing editor and the panel's chair, says, "I'm afraid a lot of the Europeans are Muslim, Midge." The audience cheers. Somebody shouts, "You tell 'em, Jay!"

He tells 'em. Decter tells 'em. Steyn tells 'em. On this cruise, everyone tells 'em--and, thanks to my European passport, tells me. It is, unsurprisingly, the last thing I hear at the end of the voyage. I'm back on the docks of San Diego, watching the tireless champions of the overdog filter past and say their formal goodbyes. As I turn my back on the ship for the last time, I feel the judge I met the first day place his arm affectionately on my shoulder. "We have written off Britain to the Muslims," he says. "Come to America."

Or this:

Several days later, the nautical counter-revolution has docked in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, where passengers will clamber overboard into a nation they want to wall off behind a 1,000-mile fence. One expresses horror at my intention to find a local street kid to show me around, exclaiming, "Do you want to die?" D'Souza summarizes the prevailing sentiment by unveiling what he modestly calls "D'Souza's law of immigration": An immigrant's quality is "proportional to the distance traveled to get to the United States." In other words: Asians trump Latinos.

David,

I understand why you'd think this racist--it is certainly paranoid and hateful. Steyn's language makes your point for you a bit too well though. What a strange dichotomy: the "European races" versus the Muslims. White Muslims do exist; I know two myself. Would Steyn want these two to be "too self-absorbed to breed?" Probably.

Steyn is really talking about Christians, and maybe Jews and Sceptics. I don't know why he'd use the language of race, perhaps to excite his fellow travelers (literally, it seems). But Steyn is simply wrong. Even though he speaks of race, what unites Muslims is a creed, not a race. There should be no taboo against criticising a creed, even if that creed is dressed in the clothes of providence.

National Reviews cruisers seem like the type of people who cower in fear of the War on Christmas and speak of Christians being persecuted in our secular society. Their fear of Muslims is likely simple sectarianism, not a defense of Enlightenment values. But their vile hypocrisy does not make disliking a religion any more racist.

Robert writes:

Even though he speaks of race, what unites Muslims is a creed, not a race. There should be no taboo against criticising a creed, even if that creed is dressed in the clothes of providence.

"What unites Muslims is a creed."

Go pick up a newspaper.

Next, confront the fact that lumping the billion Muslims scattered across the globe into a single homogeneous, er, lump, is precisely what racists do when they blanket-judge a color group. There's nothing wrong with criticizing a creed, but assuming that the mere label sufficiently describes all participants is not criticism, rather the opposite. So cavil and mince all you want about sectarianism vs. racism, I say a duck is a duck. Muslim = brown = inferior to these people.

The ideological-cruise genre was invented by P.J. O'Rourke in his article "Ship of Fools" around 1983 (either in The Atlantic or Harpers, I forget which). He signed up for a cruise down the Volga with elderly American lefties based on an ad he saw in The Nation magazine.

He had a much better time with the Russians he met than with his fellow American tourists. He reported that vacationing in the Soviet Union was great as long as you could drink like a Russian and leave like an American.

Disagree. Hari's piece was nowhere near as stale as those he reported on, with (I think) a good deal of grace. Plus, as the critic admitted, he searched out the two lions in winter, and gave them ample opportunity to speak further.

The crucial fact, which I had not fully appreciated before reading this piece, was how tribal is the NR audience's hatred of Muslims. I genuinely thought it had to do with terrorism. Silly me!

It seems as if many of the previous posters are missing the point in order to nit-pick. No one is making the blanket statement that all Muslim-Brown-Arab peoples are out to get us. The point is that there is a sizable population among the Muslims that wish us harm and to ignore them would be a dangerous miscalculation.

You may want to "converse" with them but they certainly do not wish to converse with you. It is our duty to reach out to those that share, at the very least, a common understanding as to how we can coexist. Hamas and Hezbollah and Al Quaida have no such desire. So how do we deal with them? Suggestions, please.

The point is that there is a sizable population among the Muslims that wish us harm and to ignore them would be a dangerous miscalculation.

Zzzzz. No, there is a very vocal very small MINORITY of "the Muslims" who wish us harm, and those aren't who is being referred to when the wingnuts fret and fantasize about Muslims immigrants to Europe, which is indeed viewed as a brown invasion. The reason immigration is a problem in Europe is not because "they're Muslims"; it's because Europe is terrible at accommodating immigrants and has successfully alienated many of them. (Cf. e.g. France, Algeria)

You may want to "converse" with them but they certainly do not wish to converse with you. It is our duty to reach out to those that share, at the very least, a common understanding as to how we can coexist. Hamas and Hezbollah and Al Quaida have no such desire. So how do we deal with them? Suggestions, please.

So there you go: lump Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda, not just together with each other (which is ignorant) but together with the European Muslims everybody on the cruise is so terrified of. How bout this, it's YOUR duty to get a friggin clue before you start in with the Cassandra act.

Man, if I'd known that Hari was going on the NR cruise, I'd have asked him to bug Steyn for an answer to my questions about some of his earlier demographics numbers (linked in my name), for which I haven't been able to get a reply (despite being linked on Sully's site and in Hari's own review of Steyn's 'America Alone' that is posted on Hari's website).

You're right about the great and widening ideological divide between Buckley and Podhoretz; but that's the divide between paleoconservatism and neoconservatism, and I don't think it can be bridged. Which makes it a sort of death knell for the conservative movement, and maybe the Republican Party that's depended upon that movement for so long.

You're right about the great and widening ideological divide between Buckley and Podhoretz; but that's the divide between paleoconservatism and neoconservatism, and I don't think it can be bridged. Which makes it a sort of death knell for the conservative movement, and maybe the Republican Party that's depended upon that movement for so long.

Well it didn't take a genius to recognize that "neoconservatism" wasn't really conservative at all. It came from people confusing macho belligerence and exceptionalism with being "conservative."

Damnit, I meant to add some extra thoughts into my blatant attempt (see above) to plug my own post at my own blog. To be, you know, more subtle. Somehow I forgot (but cunningly left the blatant plug in there as the entirity of the post).

My concern, then, with the sorts of people that are apparently on the NR Cruise is that they live in a bubble. The problems that do exist in, say, Europe are obscured by the bizarre exaggerations of people believing what they want to believe. It's not so different from the kneejerk antiamericanism you find abroad disappointinglt often, where intellectually lazy individuals take anecdotal information, or limited truths, and blow them up to encompass the whole. The result of this, justifiably, is derision from right-thinking people, but finding an appropriate level of concern is a casualty of the laughter.

There are issues in Europe, as there are in the US; the intellectual vacuousity of the people shouting the loudest and blowing the issues up, far beyond that which they merit, shouldn't obscure the issues, but I am concerned that it may.

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