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Rudy the Social Conservative?

11 Jun 2007 03:26 pm

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Last week, defending the notion of Giuliani as someone social conservatives should be comfortable voting for, JPod wrote:

Giuliani spent years and fought 30 lawsuits and the horrified cluckings of the New York Times and the New York Civil Liberties Union trying to save family neighborhoods from the blight of porn shops (which are often mob fronts as well as porn distributors). He was successful. In my estimation, that was the most powerful and successful family-friendly, socially conservative act of governance I've ever seen — and it was undertaken and continued in the teeth of ferocious resistance that would have cowed almost any other politician in America.

This was part of the secret of Giuliani's success in New York - his ability to marry two seemingly contradictory political types, the socially-liberal, upscale Rockefeller Republican and the culturally-conservative, working-class Reagan Democrat, into a single persona. He was the Manhattan of his adulthood and Brooklyn of his youth all at once: When the subject was abortion or gay rights or gun control, he was Christie Todd Whitman; when it turned to porn shops or taxpayer-funded blasphemy or deadbeat dads, he was Bill Bennett. (It helped that the biggest issue when he became mayor, crime, was a rare place where the two types saw roughly eye to eye.)

The difficulty with his Presidential candidacy, though, is that the Rockefeller Republican side of his persona, the tax cuts and Planned Parenthood side, has eclipsed the Reagan-Democrat side. Or at least it isn't clear what he has to offer the Reagan Democrat constituency on domestic policy, given that nobody's looking for a President who'll clean up the porn industry or shut down the NEA. (Though I should note that Reihan and I suggested some issues he might take up.)

Maybe it doesn't matter: Maybe this will be a foreign policy election to the exclusion of every other issue, and the Reagan Democrat vote will be won or lost based on how well Giuliani can make swing voters hear Reagan on Communism when he talks about Iraq and the War on Terror. But my suspicion is that before the race is over, he'll find himself wishing that there was a culture-war debate roiling working-class neighborhoods - in Ohio, say, or maybe Florida - where he could comfortably and plausibly come down on the same side of the issue as Bill Bennett.

Photo by Flickr user VictoryNH used under a Creative Commons license.

Comments (9)


A great race war does approaches. Each race will fight brave. Each race will fight for own survival. But in the end only one race will survive.

The white man had day in sun. Its now Age of the Brown Man.

By 2110 either from war or intermarriage not a single baby will be born with blond hair and blue eyes.

Rajnath
From one guy of indian origin to another (I guess) - you are nutcase. Spare me the brown man-white man bs. Hopefully it is the age of the enlightened man, and you clearly don't qualify. God, it is too much to wish for a logical Indian voice in the American milieu. Its either Ponnuru/D'Souza or the likes of Raj here!

As a liberal elitist, I'm kind of torn on the whole "Age of the Brown Man" thing. I'm all for the Brown Man, of course, but is proper use of grammar going to perish in the race war? I'm on the fence, if so. Raj, please advise.

As to the JPod comment, there is a difference between a conservative city mayor and a conservative president. Even though I have no problem with Giuliani's goals in pushing out porn shops in NYC, the idea of the federal government doing that really gives me the willies.

I don't suppose that judiciousness and restraint in the use of federal power are of much importance to GOP primary voters, though.

It's hard to exaggerate how much being Mayor and being President differ. And a lot of Rudy's characteristics as Mayor -- being thinskinned as hell, getting jealous of non-hack subordinates who got publicity for doing a good job, promoting hacks in their place, etc. -- are terrible signs for the Presidency.

Also, if Rudy truly can "make swing voters hear Reagan on Communism when he talks about Iraq and the War on Terror", then this country is in a lot of trouble.

The comments certainly got more, um, "interesting" when you moved to this bigger soapbox, Ross...

Ponnuru and D'Souza aren't exactly the same person.

I'm all for putting an elbow across the windpipe of the p*rn industry. But the Supreme Court wouldn't have it and states would be better places to do it anyway. But if Giuliani has some specific ideas, I'm listening.

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