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The Case Against the Case Against Hillary

18 Jun 2007 11:07 pm

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"We have no excuse if Hillary Clinton becomes president," Andrew writes. "We know what and who she is." Well, who and what is she? He quotes Elizabeth Kolbert reviewing the two new Hillary bios:

At a retreat for Democratic senators in the spring of 1993, Clinton was asked whether it was realistic to pursue such an ambitious health-care program, given her husband's many other legislative initiatives. She responded that the Administration was prepared to "demonize" those who opposed the task force's recommendations. "That was it for me in terms of Hillary Clinton," Senator Bill Bradley, of New Jersey, told Bernstein. "You don't tell members of the Senate you are going to demonize them. It was obviously so basic to who she is. The arrogance. The assumption that people with questions are enemies. The disdain. The hypocrisy."

Fair enough. But even leaving aside whether Bill Bradley's memory of that experience is entirely uncolored by anti-Clinton bias, this exchange took place fourteen years ago, in the midst of Hillary's second, and worst, year as First Lady. I'm certainly prepared to believe that this self-righteous, with-us-or-against-us streak remains an important part of her personality today; on the other hand, she has been a United States Senator for the past six years, and at the very least it seems fair to weigh her record in the Senate against her record as Bill Clinton's health care czarina. My colleague Josh Green profiled Hillary-the-Senator, for instance, and argued that she seems to have taken the lessons of the early 1990s to heart - if anything, he suggested in his conclusion, she's taken them too much to heart:

Yet it is fair to wonder if Clinton learned the lesson of the health-care disaster too well, whether she has so embraced caution and compromise that she can no longer judge what merits taking political risks. It is hard to square the brashly confident leader of health-care reform—willing to act on her deepest beliefs, intent on changing the political climate and not merely exploiting it—with the senator who recently went along with the vote to make flag-burning a crime. Today Clinton offers no big ideas, no crusading causes—by her own tacit admission, no evidence of bravery in the service of a larger ideal. Instead, her Senate record is an assemblage of many, many small gains. Her real accomplishment in the Senate has been to rehabilitate the image and political career of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Impressive though that has been in its particulars, it makes for a rather thin claim on the presidency. Senator Clinton has plenty to talk about, but she doesn’t have much to say.

As a conservative, I see this as an advertisement for a Clinton presidency, not a mark against her candidacy. I like my liberal Presidents to offer "no big ideas, no crusading causes" - particularly after eight years of George W. Bush, Big Thinker. Now obviously being Chief Executive, rather than one of a hundred Senators, might bring her "Saint Hillary" tendencies rushing back to the fore, and give us four years of sanctimonious socialism, part Methodist and part New Age. Certainly the woman who coined the term "vast right-wing conspiracy" is never going to be a unifying force in American public life. And like Andrew I find her personally off-putting in a variety of ways: She comes across as cold and calculating, ambitious without the leavening of charm that made her husband so appealing, and without his gift for gab. Oh, and speaking of the Big He, I don't want Bill back in the White House, and I have absolutely zero interest in their ongoing psychodrama. Which is why when I think about which Democrat I'd be least unhappy to see become President, there's no question that my heart says Barack Obama ...

... And yet, and yet. She has a real record now, and it's no more left-wing than her rivals, and a good deal more restrained. Whether you're a libertarian like Andrew or a social conservative like me, you're not going to be wild about any Democratic president. But better a liberal "Nixon in a Pant Suit," I often think - and whatever her pathologies they can't hold a candle to Tricky Dick's - than the liberal, realigning Reagan that Obama has an outside chance of turning out to be.

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Comments (16)

She comes across as cold and calculating, ambitious without the leavening of charm that made her husband so appealing, and without his gift for gab.

Sounds like sexism. J'accuse.

Whether you're a libertarian like Andrew or a social conservative like me, you're not going to be wild about any Democratic president.

This is about as strong a statement about politics as you ever make. Are you secretly even less wild about your Rebuplican options?

jenny

Wait, did you just call Andrew Sullivan a libertarian?

This is a fine post, Ross. I have to take issue with one part, though. You wrote, "Certainly the woman who coined the term 'vast right-wing conspiracy' is never going to be a unifying force in American public life."

Well, then, certainly, the regime that terms Hamas a "terrorist organization" is never going to be a unifying force in the Middle East.

There was a vast right wing conspiracy-- look into folks like Ted Olson and Richard Mellon Scaife during the 1990s. That fact doesn't, on its own, necessarily mean that the Clintons didn't warrant all the hatred and relentless investigations that the VRWC engaged in and spawned.

If you're implying that conservatives will never get past their hatred, then you may be right.

I still don't really get why Clinton Derangement Syndrome is so widespread, to be honest. He was a centrist ("triangulating") president. But I don't think that cutting taxes always raises government revenues, either, so maybe I just don't have the right frame of mind.

Sullivan has Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Seriously. He says "We know who and what she is" while linking to Kolbert, whose whole point is that we don't know "who she is" (whatever that means). He has admitted that his distaste for her originates from "cootie vibes". Thanks for actually trying to think about this rationally rather demonizing her because her cooties give you the creeps.

As to Elvis Elvisberg's question, Sullivan has made a lot of progress towards a more reality-based way of thinking in the past few years. But, like Pavlov's dog, any mention of the Clintons triggers the conditioned response of the '90s, when the consensus among the cool Beltway pundits like David Broder and Mike Kelly was that Bill Clinton is a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad person. You're 100% right that this had absolutely nothing at all to do with his policies-- but why would our spoiled media elites waste time talking about policy when they could moralize about someone's sex life?

Is Elvis Elvisberg suggesting that Hamas is not
a terrorist organization?

Is Elvis Elvisberg suggesting that Hamas is not
a terrorist organization?

Eve, are you thick? He's saying explicitly that, just as Hamas is, in fact, a terrorist organization, so there is, in fact, a vast right-wing conspiracy. Try to keep up.

Well, then, certainly, the regime that terms Hamas a "terrorist organization" is never going to be a unifying force in the Middle East.

I think you reading too much into what Ross says. Regardless of whether or not the "right wing conspiracy" existed or exists, conservatives are always going to hate Hillary. Good or bad, right or wrong, this is simply reality.

She might be a decent enough president, but face facts: she's not going to be a "unifying force in American public life." Period.

If you're implying that conservatives will never get past their hatred, then you may be right.

Ah yes, and the Democrats have been so dispassionate about Bush/Cheney.

Maybe we need an uncontroversial candidate like Barney Frank.

I think it was Jonah Goldberg (or someone equally unexpected) who said the bright side to a Hillary presidency is that her tough-as-nails demeanor would be a plus when dealing with our enemies.

One reads so few sane things about Hillary Clinton. Thanks!

It's interesting how all these conservatives are becoming adjusted to the idea of a Clinton presidency. There's little doubt she's the pre-eminent favorite, just check the bookies, but surely the interesting question is what will be the scale of her win and is the country in the mood for some serious changes. Given the general desire, no longing, to turn the page on all things Bush, and that includes the GOP, if she conducts an campaign as effective as the one she is waging for the nomination, Hillary could win by a landslide. This is also because of the simple fact that the GOP has got itself on the wrong side of just about every major issue of the day from stem cells to global warming. Basically the country wants something done about these things and they want out of Iraq. It's hard to say how she will govern but I'd say it would be a big mistake to assume she is not going to go for some big changes particularly if the Democrats improve their position in the congress which seems likely. In a way it's a second chance for the Clintons, a chance to put their stamp on the country, put the Monica matter in its true perspective, and I think they would go for it. Healthcare, immigration, you name it they will attempt to clean it up. The world is also desperate for an American president with sense so she is going to lots of help in international relations if for no other reason to demonstrate what a bunch of amateurs Bush, Rice and Cheney are. In summary I'd put my money on her to win and I think we would see a big shake up.

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