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The MSM and Immigration

08 Jun 2007 03:19 pm

If you thought, like Matt and Mickey Kaus, that Dan Balz's "news analysis" was the sine qua non of mainstream media mindlessness on immigration, I invite you to consider Nathan Thornburgh's "case for amnesty" in Time Magazine - the most embarrassing venture in fact-free sanctimony I've read in some time. Not because there isn't a case to be made for amnesty, but because such a case - particularly coming from an ostensibly nonpartisan publication like Time - would need to actually address some of the arguments on the other side, and at least pretend to a knowledge of the actual contours of the immigration debate. (It might also help if the author didn't draw nearly all his examples from a single town: Beardstown, Illinois.)

I'll confine myself to sniping at a few passages.

Yes, it's true: Mexicans speak Spanish. Relax. Mexicans also know that English is the key to getting ahead in the U.S. When Beardstown opened a bilingual program for all the kids in the elementary school, Hispanic parents were as worried as white parents about missing out on an English-only education. Assimilation is slow, but it is inevitable. Beardstown was settled in the 19th century by unapologetically German immigrants, but you won't hear so much as a gesundheit uttered there today. What is lacking, in Beardstown as in Washington, is faith in America's undimmed ability to metabolize immigrants from around the world, to change them more than they change the U.S.

Hmmm ... could there be any reason to think that the trajectories of German immigrants and Mexican immigrants might turn out somewhat differently? Of course not - assimilation is "inevitable"! All you need is "faith"! As Beardstown goes, so goes the nation!

In one sense, Thornburgh undersells his case: If he'd produced statistics rather than anecdotes, he could have found evidence that immigrants from Mexico are making progress in education, English-acquisition, and intermarriage that matches the gains made by earlier generations of immigrants. The trouble is that you need a lot more education to compete in today's economy than you did in the economy of 1887 or 1921, which is why Mexican-Americans can make bigger strides than did, say, Italian-Americans in the 19th century, and still find themselves further behind, in socioeconomic terms, than that earlier generation did. Which explains, in turn, why so many second and third-generation Mexican-Americans are growing frustrated with the slow pace of socioeconomic progress and assimilating downward, toward underclass rather than middle-class norms. Thus crime rates, while low for new immigrants, are high for their children and grandchildren; thus, too, the use of welfare programs remains nearly as high in the second Mexican-American generation as in the first.

But that's all too complicated for Thornburgh - as is any serious analysis of the economics of immigration:

The economics of immigration remain a mysterious science. Everyone has a pet study proving immigration suppresses wages or it builds economies. A less malleable truth is that many towns, like many companies, are faced with a stark choice in the global economy: grow or die. So Beardstown is growing, a healthy economy surrounded by dying rural towns. The U.S. is in the same situation. For all the stresses of immigration, it is the only industrialized nation with a population that is growing fast enough and skews young enough to provide the kind of workforce that a dynamic economy needs. The illegals are part of the reason for that, and amnesty ensures that competitive advantage.

Statistics are hard! Anecdotes and generalizations are easy! Sure, the actual research consistently shows that low-skilled immigration has a small but appreciably negative impact on low-wage workers and a small but appreciably positive impact on overall economic growth, which would seem to suggest that we should have a debate about whether higher working-class wages or higher overall GDP growth is more important at the present pass. But why bother when you can pretend that unfettered Mexican immigration is the only thing standing between the U.S. and economic decline? (You know, just like in the long recession of the restrictionist 1950s and 1960s ...)

Or maybe we should slow down immigration. Never fear, Thornburgh has a plan for that:

A popular reading of recent history holds that the amnesty of 1986, which offered a path to citizenship for 3 million illegals, sparked the much larger wave of unlawful immigration that followed. According to that logic, the '86 amnesty showed would-be migrants from around the world that the U.S. was weak-willed and would eventually relent and give citizenship to its illegals. Duly encouraged, Mexicans and others stormed our borders with unprecedented vigor.

Illegal immigration did soar, but that's not why. Studies show that the valleys and peaks in migration have depended far less on changes in policy or policing and far more on the basic economic conditions in the U.S. and Mexico. If you want to truly tamp down illegal immigration, you could induce a recession in the U.S. A better idea might be to help Mexico create more jobs that pay better. A recent Council on Foreign Relations study found that when Mexican wages drop 10% relative to U.S. wages, attempts to cross the border illegally rise 6%. As complex and corrupt as the Mexican economy is, we ignore it at our peril.

Ah, so the solution to illegal immigration is for the United States to ... fix the Mexican economy, so that it creates "more jobs that pay better"? Fantastic: We'll get right on that. While we're at it, maybe we can have the federal government create "more health care options that cost less," and "cheaper schools that teach better," and a "more competent Iraqi government that governs better." Who knew that policy was this easy?

While we're waiting for George W. Bush and Harry Reid to fix the Mexican economy, Thornburgh allows that maybe we could, you know, beef up border security. A little. If we feel like it:

While Mexico patches itself up, at least the security options are better today than in 1986. There is both the political will and the technology to make enforcement a serious part of any amnesty plan. National ID cards, real employer verification, high-tech border controls can all aid in making sure that this would be the last amnesty of this size.

Except that a major reason the current immigration "compromise" has been derailed for now is that its opponents fear, with good reason, that the political will doesn't exist to "make enforcement a serious part of any amnesty plan." And a major argument advanced by those same opponents is that we should see if enforcement actually works and only then consider amnesty. These are things that Thornburgh would know if he had paid any attention to the actual debate on the subject he's writing about. But obviously that would be too much to ask.

Comments (33)

With the shelving of the Kennedy-McCain amnesty bill, we have won a battle, but the war is far from over. I’m sure that LaRaza and big business will redouble their efforts to get this bill pushed through. We have to do the same. If you’ve already called your senators, DO IT AGAIN. Let them know you’re still paying attention. We should also start to work on the House of Reps. Call yours AT LEAST once a week and give him/her an earful. Tell them that since this bill is stalled we can still enact the laws that are already on the books. Last year the House and Senate passed and Senor Bush signed a bill to build hundreds of miles of fence. (even more fence than what is in the Amnesty Bill) Where is it? We have laws against employers who hire illegal immigrants, yet only FOUR employers were charged last year. Call the White House (it’s toll free) and ask why the Bush administration made this a low priority. WE HAVE THE MOMENTIUM, DON’T SLOW DOWN NOW!! Let’s take our country back.

Paul the American

Hmmm ... could there be any reason to think that the trajectories of German immigrants and Mexican immigrants might turn out somewhat differently?

This is worth some serious thinking about. My German immigrant forebears were uneducated agricultural laborers who spoke German to their kids, went to German-speaking churches, and frequented German-speaking businesses. Yet their kids stopped speaking German as soon as they left home. Their grandkids all went to college.

Possibly salient differences:

(1) German-speaking culture in America took a big hit in WWI. Absent something truly odd happening, Latino and Asian immigrants today aren't going to feel quite that level of assimilation pressure. (Arab immigrants might, though.)

(2) When my ancestors came here, the government was giving out high-quality farmland for free. Immigrants today don't get free biotech labs (or whatever the 21st century equivalent is).

I don't think it's remotely fair to compare Thornburgh's piece to Balz's. Balz took counterfactual Broderish speculation about the public's deep, deep craving for crappy bipartisan compromise to a hideous extreme. It was an authentically heinous crime against journalism.

Thornburgh's article is nothing to brag about, but it would be par for the Time magazine course if it were paired in a point-counterpoint presentation with an equivalent opposition piece. He does a solid job of deconstructing the sound-bite arguments against "amnesty" before falling into the typical Em-Ess-Em pattern of skimming over the intelligent arguments against the compromise bill and settling for fluffy anecdotes.

He presents at least one one genuinely provocative fact: "But an April USA Today/Gallup poll found that just 14% of respondents wanted to send illegal immigrants home with no chance of returning to the U.S. The public seems confused about the definition of amnesty."

It's one thing to oppose the Kennedy-McCain bill, as I did, because it's a lousy worst-of-all-worlds compromise. It's another thing entirely to reject any proposal for normalizing the status of illegals, sight unseen.

We are, indeed, a nation of laws. It's a problem to have so many people living here in a legal grey zone. Even if you severely restrict future immigration, and secure the border, at some point there is going to have to either be an amnesty, a deportation, or a willingness to tolerate the indefinite presence of illegal immigrants in your community. Very few people want mass deportations. And the status quo is wildly unpopular. So what's left?

I'm willing to postpone it until there are improvements in our border security, but how can we avoid an amnesty program entirely?

Another salient difference:

The U.S. and Germany are separated by an ocean.

Re: When my ancestors came here, the government was giving out high-quality farmland for free.

How many fresh-off-the-boat immigrants took farmland? The Scandinavians of course (hence the demographics of Minnesota and the Dakotas). But didn't most other immigrants cluster in ethinic ghettos in the major cities?

How many fresh-off-the-boat immigrants took farmland? The Scandinavians of course (hence the demographics of Minnesota and the Dakotas). But didn't most other immigrants cluster in ethinic ghettos in the major cities?

the upper midwest is more german than scandinavian. you can look that up (the dakotas are more scandinavian, but they have far fewer people that minnesota & wisconsin).

also, in 1900 half of americans lived on family farms.

also, during the 19th century the irish american church hierarchy worked hard against the separatism and german lingualism of german catholic congregations. the contrast with today's church is pretty strong.

It's irritating to see New York and DC journalists acting as if Hispanics are brand new to the U.S., and thus implying that their future trajectory is a perfect blank slate upon which the writers can freely project all their Ellis Island nostalgia. In reality, along the Rio Grande in New Mexico and Texas and in Southern California, there are huge Hispanic communities with deep roots in America.

And how are they doing after up to seven generations in the U.S.? Well, here's Tim Russert's interview with Bill Richardson, governor of the most Hispanic state, New Mexico:

"As you well know, they rank states in a whole variety of categories from one being the best, 50th being the worst. This is New Mexico’s scorecard, and you are the governor. Percent of people living below the poverty line, you’re 48. Percent of children below, 48. Median family income, 47. People without health insurance, 49. Children without health insurance, 46. Teen high school dropouts, 47. Death rate due to firearms, 48. Violent crime rate, 46."

This is hardly Richardson's fault. That New Mexico ranks down there with Mississippi and Arkansas has roots deep in the past. But it has big implications for immigration policy.

Steve Sailer misleads with statistics? Say it ain't so!

New Mexico ranks poorly in health insurance, education, and crime statistics. It also has a large population of Hispanic citizens with "deep roots in America." It must be their fault! Correlation: it's the new causality!

Naturally, New Mexico also has a large population of brand new Hispanic immigrants like the rest of the border states. It has a significant percentage of whites living in extremely isolated rural areas. It also has by far the highest population of Native Americans in the lower 48 states (over 9%) and the Reservations unfortunately suffer a level of poverty that far outstrips any urban ghetto. I've worked with tribal health care providers, and the uninsured rate on the Res is well over 50%. So it's curious that Steve would use statewide data that isn't broken down by race and ethnicity to smear Hispanic citizens in New Mexico.

So let's compare the High School Graduation rate in New Mexico to several other states with a large Latino population and see why New Mexico fares so poorly. (2001 data)

Overall/Black/Latino/White

Illinois
78/57/55/89

New Jersey
75/66/60/86

New York
70/51/53/82

California
68/59/55/78

Colorado
68/55/47/75

Texas
67/59/56/76

New Mexico
65/58/58/74

Arizona
59/54/50/70

Florida
59/51/52/63

Nevada
58/49/40/65

What jumps out immediately is that the Latino population in New Mexico has a higher graduation rate than anyone except New Jersey, and the Latino students fare better in relation to black and white students than they do in New Jersey. I wonder why that is? Maybe because a higher percentage of them are culturally assimilated?

Also, New Mexico placed 41st in this table among all 50 states, not 47th (as in Russert's data.) Which means that either its performance has plunged in the past few years (which would presumably NOT be due to Latinos with "deep roots in America") or else this disparity is due to a group not included in these numbers (Native Americans). Or perhaps Russert pulled the numbers out of his ass, which wouldn't shock me either.

I suppose the only moral to this story is that Sailer is, as usual, using irrelevant data in a disingenuous way to inject eugenics into a political debate.

I doubt you can make use of cross-sectional statistics to ascertain the future prospects of Chicano populations in a setting like New Mexico, when your local population is a mix of recent immigrants and people of antique pedigree.


He presents at least one one genuinely provocative fact: "But an April USA Today/Gallup poll found that just 14% of respondents wanted to send illegal immigrants home with no chance of returning to the U.S.

The key is how the question was posed to the respondants, which may or may not have been precisely and intelligently rendered by the commentator. If there was a proviso "with no chance of returning to the U.S.", what effect would that have on public assent to a deportation option?

We are, indeed, a nation of laws. It's a problem to have so many people living here in a legal grey zone. Even if you severely restrict future immigration, and secure the border, at some point there is going to have to either be an amnesty, a deportation, or a willingness to tolerate the indefinite presence of illegal immigrants in your community. Very few people want mass deportations. And the status quo is wildly unpopular. So what's left?

The utility of representative institutions is that legislators in their daily business are compelled to reconcile or adjudicate between contradictory strands of thought in a way people answering pollster's questions are not. (The disutility is that the political class can and does operate in their own interests contrary to those of the general public).

I'm willing to postpone it until there are improvements in our border security, but how can we avoid an amnesty program entirely?

By not enacting one. The question at hand is whether the present untidyness is more disagreeable than the state of the world which might ensue in the wake of an amnesty.

also, in 1900 half of americans lived on family farms.

We can check, but I think the farm population was already a minority a generation earlier. Also, many among them were agricultural laborers, tenant farmers, share-croppers, planters, or making much of their living from non-agricultural persuits.

Posted by LaFollette Progressive,

Sailer is, as usual, using irrelevant data in a disingenuous way to inject eugenics into a political debate.

Huh?? I read that Sailer guy's post carefully. He never mentioned eugenics? You just made this up!

Claiming to know somebody's motive like that, just to boster your point, is wrong.

I read that Sailer guy's post carefully. He never mentioned eugenics? You just made this up!

Not familiar with Sailer's blog are you? His primary focus seems to be attributing social problems to genetic differences between the races. That's eugenics. The word has Nazi connotations nowadays, for reasons that are not entirely undeserved, but Sailer is clearly not a Nazi.

The purpose of his post is to claim that Hispanics will still be poorer, less educated, and more violent than whites even when they have been in the country for six or seven generations. This implies that Hispanics are inherently inferior to white Americans, doesn't it?

Granted, the data I presented don't disprove what he's saying. But they certainly don't support his thesis.

The question at hand is whether the present untidyness is more disagreeable than the state of the world which might ensue in the wake of an amnesty.

Yes, that is the question. And if an amnesty is not paired with improved border security and a crackdown on employers who hire illegals, then it might make things worse. But I'd say that willfully allowing the development of a permanent disenfranchised underclass of illegal workers goes well beyond "untidyness."

The purpose of his post is to claim that Hispanics will still be poorer, less educated, and more violent than whites even when they have been in the country for six or seven generations. This implies that Hispanics are inherently inferior to white Americans, doesn't it?

Granted, the data I presented don't disprove what he's saying. But they certainly don't support his thesis.

Um, don't they? The Hispanic graduation rate is still well below the white one in New Mexico, although the gap is a bit narrower than in other places.

Maybe over the generations we will see Hispanics go from achieving way less educationally than whites to ... achieving a fair amount less.

That's not all that reassuring, is it?

Re: also, during the 19th century the irish american church hierarchy worked hard against the separatism and german lingualism of german catholic congregations.

And no doubt, against all the ethnic congregations too. The "Irish" Catholic heirarchy was really English (by language) and since they (along with descendants America's original colonial Anglo-Catholic settlers) had first claim to planting St. Peter's banner in the USA, of course they worked hard to make sure that Germans, Poles, Italians, Hungarians, Czechs, Belgians, Mexicans, Slovenes, et al, kowtowed to them. On a much smaller scale something similar happend with Eastern Orthodoxy in the US: the Russians, being first off the boat, pretty much dominated American Orthodoxy, and failed to completely corral the Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs et all because the Bolshevik Revolution cut off their lifeline to Moscow and provoked a schism in their own ranks.

Um, don't they? The Hispanic graduation rate is still well below the white one in New Mexico, although the gap is a bit narrower than in other places.

There's a correlation between a higher percentage of assimilation and better academic performance. The data do not support Sailer's argument. This isn't exactly rocket science.

LaFollette Progressive:

Some things are true even if you really don't want them to be true. One such truth is that Mexican-Americans have failed to assimilate to European-American norms of educational and economic achievement even after several generations. For example (as noted in Foreign Policy: The Hispanic Challenge), 41% of fourth generation Mexican Americans don't even graduate high school. If so many Mexican-Americans can't even graduate high school, how is it logical to assume that the next wave of Mexicans will turn into Ellis Island Germans, Italians, Jews, etc.?

"His primary focus seems to be attributing social problems to genetic differences between the races. That's eugenics."

That's actually not the definition of eugenics. As far as I know, Sailer hasn't proposed any eugenics policies on his blog. He has proposed restricting immigration of poor, uneducated people who will lower the wages of poor, uneducated Americans and compete with them for government resources.

It does seem likely that genetics plays a role in human potential though. I mean, ceteris paribus, if LeBron James had been adopted by Matthew Yglesias's parents, do you think LeBron would be a political blogger for the Atlantic today? Similarly, if Matthew Yglesias had been adopted by LeBron's parent, do you think Matt would be in the NBA now? Seems kind of obvious that genetic differences between people have consequences, no?

Alkali,

My anecdotal knowledge of the Ukrainian immigrant community here in NJ makes me wonder how much of a factor our wars against Germany were in the assimilation of German-Americans. Without any wars against Ukraine, the assimilation of Ukrainians here has been impressive.

Consider the case of one friend of mine who's Ukrainian. His parents are immigrants who attend churches where the masses are in Ukrainian. His father worked in a factory owned by a Ukrainian immigrant and his mother worked as a maid. My friend got bachelors and masters degrees from top state universities and now works as a scientist for a leading pharmaceutical firm; his sister has a masters degree in public health, and his brother is a journalist. All three are fluent in Ukrainian as well as English but are fully assimilated Americans (dating non-Ukrainians, immersed in American popular culture, etc.). That's not a unique example here. I know another Ukrainian whose parents were immigrants who works in trade operations for a hedge fund, another who is a dentist, others who are engineers, etc.

The most obvious reason why these children of Ukrainian immigrants have succeeded is that they inherited positive attributes from their parents (e.g., intelligence). Their parents may have been limited to low-skilled jobs in the old country not because they weren't capable of doing better, but because they lived in an inefficient Communist economy. Similarly, 19th century German immigrants likely had a lot of human capital but were stymied in Germany for other reasons (e.g., the high price of land there).

The lesson here, I think, is that not all low skilled immigrants are equal: some have children who graduate college and join the middle class; others don't.

There's a correlation between a higher percentage of assimilation and better academic performance. The data do not support Sailer's argument. This isn't exactly rocket science.

Sailer's argument, as far as I can tell, is that even after generations of assimilation Hispanics don't achieve at white levels (educationally or economically); this is what is shown by your data.

Improvement does not equal parity. Clicking your heels and thinking of Diversity does not mean Mexican-Americans magically become a group of high-achievers.

I'm glad Ross touched on the reforming-the-Mexican-economy remark, because it's always seemed strange how little we notice this issue might not always be synonomous with providing a safety valve for Mexico...Right now in China and the Indian Subcontinent birthrates have a disparity of anywhere from 2-to-1, sometimes up to 7-to-1 [in some villages] of males to females. Whenever we get an objective guest worker/temporary worker/whatever-we-call-it method of channeling new people into our economy, I assume extra points will be given for education and English proficiency. When that happens the Mexicans are going to be blown away by the tidal wave of applicants from these countries. What kind of racial quotas will the Democratic Party call for then?

A great race war does approaches. Each race will fight brave. Each race will fight for own survival. But in the end only one race will survive.

The white man had day in sun. Its now Age of the Brown Man.

LaFollette Progressive,

Have you spent any time in New Mexico? I grew up there, and for anyone who's spent any time there the difference in attitude towards education between Hispanics & Native Americans, on the one hand, and Anglos, on the other, is self-evident. So are the differences in attitudes towards politics and the law. And the Hispanic culture goes back there to before Jamestown. Denying that these differences exist is not plausible - the question is, what is the cause of the differences?

The more fundamental question is, why do you think America differs from Mexico (in politics, law, culture, economics, etc.)?

Follet,
Having lived in Texas and New Mexico my entire life, I have a lifetime of observations concerning these issues. I've lived in Houston and Austin, Las Cruces, and Carlsbad, to name a few places.
I have no qualms in stating that I can't stand Mexican culture. It looks good on the surface, but it doesn't work. Hence their filthy country that they've ruined through corruption, and mainly overpopulation.
They make kids like there's no tomorrow, and THAT is the real problem. If you can't feed your first child, why would you make four more? Think I'm kidding? Come on down here to south Tx. and see what kind of thirld world country they've turned this place into. The most common sight in a Wal Mart or similar places is a lady with four kids, and the oldest one is five or six.
It's just a cultural thing I'm told, Mexicans like to have big families.
Is it racist to point out the simple fact that their culuture encourages them to shoot themselves in the foot with all these kids?
No. Just an observation.
I'm curious as to why you want to defend the Mexicans here Follet. Maybe you're one of them.
Every non Mexican I talk to sees the logic of not having kids till one's career is locked into place or you have your degree and so forth.
Who is going to inform these people of the higher way?
We must shut out future immigrants from Mexico, because the twelve to twenty mil. here are going to make ALOT more. You can bet good money on that.
I would like to say that I'm for giving some of them citizenship, but after the border has been militarized to the point that major military bases are located all along the border, with fences, lethal authorization, a whole new world in fact.
Then, when their ship is burned, they might see they need to be ENTHUSIASTIC Americans.
What I can't stand is this Mexican pride here in the US. I'm German and French, but I don't celebrate any German or French holidays, I don't speak the languages, I don't have one foot in two different cultures.
Where's the AMERICAN patriotism in the Mexican population?!?!?!

I had no intention of responding to this thread any further. I've said my piece-- take it or leave it. But jason's comment was pretty damn revolting.

They make kids like there's no tomorrow, and THAT is the real problem. If you can't feed your first child, why would you make four more?

I dunno, Jason, maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Catholic Church, which I believe includes the author of this blog as a devout member, continues to oppose all forms of artificial birth control and encourage their parishioners to believe that the invisible man in the sky wants them to have large families. Just a thought.

I've spent a fair amount of time in New Mexico working with the social services, and I know well that the Latino population there runs the full gamut from ghettoized border communities that haven't changed much in 500 years, to recent immigrants who don't speak English, to fifth-generation middle class Mexican-Americans who don't speak Spanish and are fully culturally American.

The Border communities, like the Indian reservations, are NOT immigrant communities. They are not composed of people who deliberately left other looking for a better life. It's not surprising that these communities have resisted adapting to American culture. And yet even THESE communities have shown a significant improvement over time in terms of education, etc.

What I object to is the essentially racist and completely unsupported notion that Hispanic immigrants who wave Mexican flags and maintain certain cultural traditions are somehow fundamentally different from the Irish, Polish, and Italian immigrants who still share distinct cultural traits and traditions after 4-5 generations. Folks like Sailer run around spouting off irrelevant data and fancy themselves to be brave, impartial truth-tellers. But then less-tactful folks like you show up and start complaining about filthy Mexicans. I guess you forgot to read your "I am not a racist" talking points.

Where's the AMERICAN patriotism in the Mexican population? I dunno, dude. Have you ever been to a 4th of July parade in a Hispanic neighborhood. I have. There sure were a lot of American flags being waved there. There were a number of guys in uniform, too. If waving foreign flags is a problem, St. Paddy's Day is probably the single worst offender.

Right now, the problems with immigration are the volume and the inability to regulate the influx. There has never before been such a large contingent of a single ethnic community to the United States in such a short period of time. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about how the sheer volume of this wave of immigration will impact the ability of this country to absorb it. But the fact that these people are Hispanic is as fundamentally irrelevant to whether they will eventually assimilate as it was when those dirty, drunken, thieving, overbreeding Irish came here in the 19th Century and subjected us several generations later to Bill O'Reilly.

dear Follet,
I wasn't even going to get on the Chaosthic church, so thanks for bringing it up. The church is indeed a huge problem with their anti birth control message. Notice how it's Catholic priests and churches who are bonding together to fight the federal government and ICE by harboring illegal immigrants?
What is Ted Kennedy doing dragging Cardinal Roger Mahoney before congress to testify on illegal immigration? Didn't he (Mahoney) hide homosexual pedophiles, and move them around where they preyed on new victims?
You can bet the Catholic church is one corrupt, political organization driven by greed and lust for power. It always has been.
If it's racist to say that Mexico is a filthy and corrupt country, then I'm racist.
Is it racist to say that Mexicans bring a third world mentality with them to the states? No. Just an observation, and what else would they bring, coming from a filthy, corrupt, Catholic, third world country?
If it's racist to say that I prefer American culture every time over Mexican culture, then I'm racist.
Mr. Follet, what's revolting is people that are politically correct, like yourself, that hate to hear black called black, and white called white.
We don't owe Mexico anything. Nada. Zip.
They don't owe us anything, except to figure out a way to get their citizens back into Mexico.

Follet,
I don't see anything in this article that leads me to believe the author is Catholic. Maybe you know him personally.

Not familiar with Sailer's blog are you? His primary focus seems to be attributing social problems to genetic differences between the races. That's eugenics. The word has Nazi connotations nowadays, for reasons that are not entirely undeserved, but Sailer is clearly not a Nazi.

I've spent quite a bit of time reading Sailer's blog, and while he does seem to like the idea of eugenics, eugenics refers to attempts to 'improve' the human gene pool in some direction, not to assuming social problems are genetically based.

We object to the Nazis' policies of exterminating millions of people of different ethnic groups and sterilizing the handicapped, not specifically to their attempt to improve the gene pool per se. The Orthodox Jewish attempt to prevent kids from being born with Tay-Sachs is a form of eugenics, and so is the practice of aborting fetuses with developmental or other problems. We do a lot of things we'd think were wrong if we called them by other names.

And yes, Sailer unapologetically embraces propagating the interests of white Christian males, and there are people on Sailer's comments section who think the Holocaust didn't happen and natter on about how fundamentalist Christians are powerful because they like the Jews. But that doesn't make him factually wrong per se, it just means you don't want to hang out with his friends.

I don't think it's fair to blame the Catholic Church for Mexican American women bearing more children than they can afford, and having their children so young. After all, it's not like they are following the church's admonitions against premarital sex; what makes you think their not using birth control is because they're following church teachings?

There are an unambiguous cultural differences between Mexican-Americans and other primarily Catholic groups (e.g., Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans) when it comes to child-rearing today. I know plenty of Irish- and Italian-American women who have waited until they have a stable career and are married to have children (usually, in their thirties).

Having lots of children you can't afford is a dysfunctional third-world behavior that plenty of non-Catholics share. I'm still not sure why we should want to import more of it here.

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