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A Question of Motives

30 Jul 2007 04:44 pm

Matt, on the Pollack-O'Hanlon pro-surge op-ed:

... it's worth noting the incentives that O'Hanlon and Pollack face. If they bow to reality and say the US should move rapidly to start cutting our losses in Iraq, then they're people who advocated in favor of a disastrous policy and this'll be bad for their careers. If, by contrast, they say the surge is looking good, and then work together with Bush administration officials and The Weekly Standard to construct a stab in the back narrative about Iraq, then they can hope to salvage their professional reputations at the expense of liberals.

I think the professional incentives cut in precisely the opposite direction. O'Hanlon and Pollack's current reputations depend on their perceived status as centrist wise men who write for places like, well, the Atlantic. Associating themselves with the dwindling faction that still hopes for victory in Iraq, or with a "stab in the back" narrative once the war is over, might make them popular guests on the right-wing talk show circuit, but it's likely to undercut their current status in the D.C. commentariat, not enhance it. From a professional standpoint, it would be far safer for them to take a Peter Beinartesque route, apologize for their mistakes, and bash Bush whenever the subject of Iraq comes up than to associate themselves with a strategy that only Bill Kristol, Joe Lieberman and David Petraeus seem to think has any chance of succeeding. That's what the "serious" people and would-be wise men on the center-left are doing these days, so far as I can tell - backing a (very slow) withdrawal from Iraq, while concentrating their fire on both the precipitous-withdrawal crowd and the proponents of the surge. And besides, isn't a common complaint on the anti-war left (and right) that hawkish pundits who reverse course don't suffer, career-wise, for having "advocated in favor of a disastrous policy"?

There are personal incentives - the desire to be vindicated against all odds chief among them - that cut in favor of O'Hanlon and Pollack supporting the surge, to be sure. But unless they define professional success as a sinecure somewhere in the vast right-wing conspiracy, which I doubt, I don't think they can be accused of careerism.

Update: Jon Chait makes a similar point.

Comments (10)

I think MY in this case is referring to the maximally hawkish brand of Very Serious People ... the ones who always agitate for military intervention but never seem to suffer consequences. He's conflating O'Hanlon and Pollack with their Republican counterpart: Bill Kristol. It's an open question whether Kristol and his ilk will suffer in their career prospects for having backed Iraq. At the moment, it doesn't really appear to be the case. Wolfowitz did get dumped; Rummy and Cheney, of course, don't have a next job to worry about; others do seem to have been discredited (e.g. Feith)

What precipitous withdrawal crowd, Ross? Seriously, please point out any significant Democrat who is advocating a "precipitous" withdrawal. Or if you can't, stop using that strawman. It's weak and it's dishonest.

If they bow to reality and say the US should move rapidly to start cutting our losses in Iraq...

Lovely how Yglesias' opinion is "reality."

Ady, please point out who isn't advocating a "precipitous" withdrawal, or are we quibbling over what "precipitous" means?

Of course, if you were fully opposed to the war or any of its objectives (stated or unstated by the administration), then you can't really stand by and allow *anyone* to even infer that something might be good about it.

No, clearly complete and total failure is the only thing that can come out of the war in Iraq, right? I mean - how could one even think that maybe something that we were fighting for was significant?

Please - bring all those poor misguided soldiers home. They are obviously deranged, thinking they can make a difference with all those savage Iraqi's.

I guess I'd like to nominate myself for First Stab-In-The-Backer.

My love for America is undoubted, two of my children are American, I have served America well in various ways -- and I think that America under its present Administration is profoundly wrong.

I'm not worried about the American casualties; I'm worried about the Iraqis being killed, and about an emergent society wrecked by the Bush group of fools and crooks.

Anything that stops America going forward as is, is a good thing. Stab these plans down. Stab these planners in the back.

In particular, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney supplied chemical weapons and the helicopters to distribute them to the Saddam regime in Iraq, for use on the front line against Iran. Use of such weapons is a war crime, and Cheney and Rumsfeld should be sent to The Hague for trial.

Those same "Weapons of Mass Destruction" were used against the Kurds, friends of the West, in an attempt at genocide. Genocide is a hanging crime under the doctrines of the Nuremberg Trials -- and Cheney and Rumsfeld are complicit.

If "Chemical" Ali is to hang, tried under a court set up by the American invasion of Iraq, why should his enablers, Cheney and Rumsfeld, not be hanging from the ropes next to him on the same scaffold?

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Does Yglesias ever not assume that those he disagrees with have hidden motives? He probably has a template in Moveable Type set up.

at the expense of liberals?

my God, these establishment types only can see power, no human or environmental catastrophe.

David? Do you believe that the Iraqi's will be better off if we just left them now?

Have you not read the news recently? Iraqi warlords are swearing off Al Quaeda and joining the US in fights against them.

We have now proved we are good for the fight, and with the surge reaching it height two weeks ago we have the manpower over there to actually make our side the more popular one, the safer one.

Do you propose that we instead leave these people to be blown to bits by assorted madmen who after conquering them will turn and conquer us? Have you no moral qualms over allowing the death of thousands more at the hands of these barbarians?

Seriously, Sir. I urge you to find a safer hole in which to bury your head.

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