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The Deathly Hallows

25 Jul 2007 11:20 am

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There have always been two critical camps on the Harry Potter phenomenon – the small band of haters, which includes Harold Bloom, A.S. Byatt, and lesser lights like Ron Charles, and the host of apologists, which includes more or less everybody else. I'm a card-carrying member of the latter group; I’m not a Potter obsessive by any stretch, having read each book only once, but I am a great admirer of Rowling’s work, and I’ve always thought that that her skill as a storyteller and world-builder outweighs her literary weaknesses. Reviewing The Half-Blood Prince for NR, I put the pro-Rowling case this way:

… the Potter saga succeeds as few fictions do, and proves, in the process, that there's more to writing than felicitous prose or perfect psychological realism. As with James Fenimore Cooper, or H. P. Lovecraft, or any of the host of novelists whose stories linger long after their stylistic blunderings are forgotten, it's in that mysterious more that Harry Potter's success resides: not in the telling, but in the tale.

I would still stand by this assessment overall – but Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, I’m sorry to say, is grist for the haters. (Obviously, spoilers follow below.)

Rowling’s novels have been compared to J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis so many times I’ve lost count, and she obviously owes each of them an enormous debt. But she’s less of a pure fantasist than her predecessors, and more of a pastiche artist: Her genius is for crossing genres, mixing the sword-and-sorcery tale with the boarding-school novel, and merging both with the intricate plotting of an Agatha Christie story. And this is the first problem with her saga’s grand finale – it’s more of a straightforward high-fantasy novel than any of its predecessors, and Rowling isn’t quite up to the task. She needs the Stover at Yale structure, it turns out, and the Ten Little Indians plot mechanisms; without the “something fishy at Hogwarts” framework, her story sprawls and meanders through a baggy quest narrative. The more time Harry and Ron and Hermione spend hopscotching around England, the more the reader misses the familiar rhythms of a school year at the wizarding academy – the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, the Quidditch matches and intra-house feuds – and the vivid supporting characters, teachers and students alike, who usually crowd the pages of a Potter novel. Rowling tries to compensate by ratcheting up the tension, with break-ins and break-outs and close encounters with Lord Voldemort, but action sequences aren’t precisely her forte, and after the fifth close shave and hair’s-breadth escape the reader pines for the familiar pleasures of the Gryffindor Common Room and the Forbidden Forest.

From here, the difficulties multiply. While old favorites like Hagrid and Snape languish offstage, Rowling layers on the magical objects: The three “hallows” of the title join the seven “horcruxes” in a baffling panoply of talismans (Tolkien, it turns out, was wise to stick to a single ring) that’s further complicated by the extra horcrux that turns out to be lodged in Harry’s scalp, the piece of Voldemort that’s lodged in his wand, the Potter blood that runs magically through the Dark Lord’s veins, and the “who’s on first?” debate over which master Voldemort’s wand will recognize during the final showdown. As the magic become increasingly incomprehensible, Rowling repeatedly finds herself slamming on the narrative brakes at crucial moments to explain exactly why Voldemort can’t die unless Harry does, or maybe why Harry can’t die as long as Voldemort’s alive, or … oh, never mind. (It’s as if Sam, Frodo and Gollum had taken a timeout during the showdown on Mount Doom to get a lecture from Gandalf on the finer points of ring lore.)

Worse than the confusing metaphysics, though, is the predictable plotting. There was a feverish predictions game among the Potterphiles of the blogosphere before the final volume hit the shelves, and it’s a bad sign for Rowling that an awful lot of their guesses and theories seem, in hindsight, more interesting than the finished product. Yes, some predictabilities were built in to the saga: We knew going that good would triumph over evil, that Voldemort would perish and that most of our much-loved cast would live happily ever after. But within that framework, The Deathly Hallows includes a host of roads not taken, complications not considered, tragedies, temptations, and redemptions left unexplored. Rowling repeatedly gestures at complexity: In the horcrux that gives voice to Ron's hidden resentment of Harry; in the hints that Draco Malfoy might actually turn heroic in the end; in the gestures at temptation for Harry himself. But she raises these possibilities only to let them drop again: Ron's Harry-envy is never mentioned after the horcrux is destroyed; the Malfoys never display any trait more morally impressive than loyalty to their kith and kin; and Harry himself never seriously considers doing evil so that good may triumph, and we are treated instead to endless encomiums to his moral purity. (Though as Eve Tushnet points out, for such a Christ-like guy he’s awfully free with the Unforgivable Curses). None of the primary good guys turn out to be bad, or even baddish; and the only murky character who finds redemption is Snape, in a twist that most readers saw coming a long distance off.

The sense of tragedy, too, is carefully contained: A slew of second-tier characters perish, but none of their deaths are half so wrenching as Dumbledore’s in The Half-Blood Prince. (I'm pretty sure that Rowling planned to kill off Hagrid and chickened out.) Harry’s death-that-isn’t, meanwhile, feels like something of a cop-out, an attempt to jerk some tears without dealing in anything so dark as the semi-tragedy of Frodo’s fate in Lord of the Rings, or anything to explicitly theological as Aslan’s magical resurrection in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

The upshot for grown-up Potter fans, I think, is aptly summarized by Russell Arben Fox’s reaction:

… I must admit it - I finished Deathly Hallows at about 9:45am Saturday morning (got home from the bookstore at about 1am, read until 4am, tried to sleep for an hour, then got back up and read until I was done), and the very first coherent judgment I could come to was “Huh. A children's story after all.”

… Please note: I am not saying “children’s story” with anything like a sneering or condescending tone; I am not saying that Deathly Hallows reveals the story of Harry Potter to be simplistic or childish or immature. Far from it! But I am saying that, somehow or another, over the last two years – led along, I suppose, by my own outrageously detailed predictions, which of course proved to be almost entirely wrong - I talked myself into seeing these books...differently than I had any right to. I read too much that was epic into them, too much that was mythological and psychological, too much that was adult.

Fox remains an admirer of the novels, and to a lesser extent so do I, but I think that our shared "a children's story after all" reaction will affect where the Potter saga ultimately fits in the children's literature canon. In Slate’s Deathly Hallows Book Club, Dan Kois admits, after lodging a host of criticisms, that "that 12-year-old me would have thought this was about the greatest book ever written.” But it's fathers and mothers, not 12-year-olds, who determine which children's books get handed down, and the children's books that are most likely to stand the test of time are those novels that parents love to revisit again and again as adults. Much as I liked Harry Potter overall, and much as I would defend its merits against the Blooms and Byatts of the world, I'm not positive, now that I've come to the end, how eager I'll be to start all over and read it to my kids. And where Rowling's legacy is concerned, that's the decision that will make all the difference.

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A measured and fair judgment, Ross. As for the future of the Potter books, we'll see. For what it's worth, I've now read the first three books in the series out loud to my two oldest daughters, and both times it has gone wonderfully. But of course, that leaves the last four books in the series...perhaps not coincidentally the four books that become progressingly larger, more intricate, and filled with more allusions to the larger wizarding and moral world that, I at least, was convinced this final book was really going to reveal to us, but didn't. Maybe the question is, will future readers, young and old, fall into enough love with all the characters and details and stuff Rowling is great at while reading the first three that they'll become addicted, and thus will be willing to put up with all the rest? If so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Yes, well done, Ross. I could argue with much of it, of course, but I'll confine myself to one point: I think it's brilliant that there's no clear turnaround for Draco Malfoy, and indeed for the whole Malfoy family. They end up occupying interesting moral territory: unlike Regulus Black and Severus Snape (?), they don't come to see Voldemort for what he is and decisively repudiate him. They quail a bit at his horrific cruelty, but it's never clear whether they truly repudiate it or are just terrified that if they encourage it they'll be the next victims of it. Draco probably lies to the lesser Death Eaters when he says (in Malfoy Manor) that he doesn't recognize Harry, and Narcissa clearly lies to Voldemort when she says that Harry is dead. These are pretty bold moves; but in the end, there's no reason to think that the Malfoys are any less arrogant and obsessed with pure-blood status than they ever were. They're not as bad as Voldemort or Bellatrix, but they're no saints either. They're kind of nasty still - but how nasty? We can't be sure. In other words, they're like many, many people who are drawn into evil and don't know how to get out, or even how much they want to get out. I think Rowling manages that ambiguity very well indeed.

Agreed as to the meandering nature of the plot, and the surprising lack of conversions to good or evil. It was Harry's choice to be placed in Gryffindor, and all, but there sure is an awful lot of predetermination. No acts of will on the part of Draco or Pettigrew, no betrayals by any Griffyndors, and Snape was actually just a spy for good all along.

That said, I loved the book. I loved the way it resolved the relationship of Dumbledore and Snape, and complicated the character of Dumbledore. And I thought Harry's reaction to the events he saw in the Pensieve was quite well-written.

I predict it will hold up as a classic, on the strength of the plot, the terrific little details, and the range of entertaining characters.

I'll put $5 on it, Ross, payable in 2050.

You're certainly right about the convoluted slew of magical objects, connections, and wand masters. But I think you're too harsh when you criticize Rowling because "most readers" predicted Snape was good when they had two years to pick apart every detail of the books. "Most readers" guessed that because the clues were there, it made sense with the story, and it fit with her writing style.

Judging from some of the pre-release "theories" out there, my sense is that a lot of people let over-analysis set them up for disappointment. Nothing against analysis, but I saw a lot of it based on frenzied imaginations (McGonagall is evil! Alchemy explains everything! Everyone is Polyjuicing somebody else!) rather than a real attempt to predict what would happen.

I thought Rowling did a great job of tying together every important plot thread. I also thought the chapter where Harry chooses to give up his life was wonderfully epic and moving, and am rather befuddled by the criticism that it's not "explicitly theological" enough.

BTW, the character she was going to kill but didn't was Mr. Weasley.

I certainly enjoyed the book, and won't be asking for a refund. Still, I had the same feeling I got after walking out of "Return of the Jedi" and "Spiderman 3"- the feeling that, well, that was a very enjoyable series, and I'm glad I got to experience it, and I'm glad everything got wrapped up... but I won't be going back to this one again.

J.K. Rowling would be well advised NOT to emulate George Lucas and start another series of Potter books ("Harry Potter and the Phantom Menace" is too awful to contemplate) down the road.

You forget a third camp: the completely apathetic, who haven't read a paragraph of Harry Potter, and never will, not out of contempt, but simply because they don't have the time for books and when they do, Harry Potter simply doesn't pop to mind (in a related note, I just ordered YOUR book on Amazon).

With that in mind, I still found this a very interesting read, and I have this to say: Enid Blyton wrote the first book I read, and with any luck, the same will go of my children.

I agree entirely with Alan Jacobs: one of the strongest elements of Deathly Hallows is Rowling's refusal to redeem the Malfoy family.

One problem I had with the book, though, was Rowling's seeming inability to recognize her most interesting subplot. Teddy Lupin ends Deathly Hallows in a similar situation to Harry for most of his life. His parents are dead, heroically, and he has almost no one in the world. The epilogue hints that he and Harry have a very positive relationship, and that he is raised by his maternal grandmother, Andromeda Tonks.

However, I would have liked to actually see Teddy Lupin's interactions with his godfather. Throughout books 3 through 5, Harry's greatest desire is for Sirius to be exonerated, so that Harry can live with him instead of the Dursleys. Does Ted care for Harry in a similar vein? Does Harry take and learn from Sirius' example as guardian? Will he not engage Ted Lupin as if he was Remus? Will he advise him against unnecessary risks, unlike Sirius?

I thought an acknowledgment of the parallels between Ted and Harry would have been appropriate in the epilogue. Instead, the epilogue suggests, as Will Leitch at Slate had it, that if Rowling writes an eighth book, it will be entitled "Harry Potter and the Magically Gentrifying Suburbs."

Harry Potter, will go down as a classic if the kids of today read it to their children - not whether the tiny number of young adults like Ross do so. I think the odds are good. Books have a way of being remembered for their good bits in the end - people are forgetting how bad some of the books in the Narnia series are, and how ponderous Tolkien;s writing was.

But Ross' overall assessment is spot on. The tale is just about a boy, after all. Not a grand epic about the passing of an era like LOTR.
The first book was just brilliant, and the first three are chock-full of small and wonderful pleasures. I will read them to my kids for sure. I'll leave the last 4 to read on their own.

I couldn't help but thinking this may end up being the best movie of the seven, even if it's far from the best book.

I could easily see a very skilled screenwriter distilling this down to a tight and exciting movie (one with about 7 minutes of camping).

Ah, yes, well, the HP hater Harold Bloom said "Why read, if what you read will not enrich mind or spirit or personality?"

I happen to think the Harry Potter books DO enrich mind and spirit and personality, simply by so refreshingly presenting the "love over hate, hope over despair" persepective that is sadly lacking in most of our entertainment these days.

And though I do agree with Ross that the seventh book plays up the literary flaws, and that it will never be my favorite of the saga. . . I still love the series and am grateful to JK Rowling for taking us all on such a lovely journey.

Azkaban was the apex of the series, which began to decline when JKR transitioned from the Hogwarts-centered story to focus on the "Voldemort threatens the whole world" macro-level saga. The prime example (pointed out by a poster on another Potter thread) is the plot hole in Goblet of Fire--why do Voldemort, Pettigrew and Crouch Jr., wait the whole damn year, and go through the whole sham Triwizard Tournament, to portkey Harry to the graveyard? Doing so increased the risk of their discovery and failure enormously. It made no sense at all. Can someone explain it to me?

The one aspect of the Potter phenomenon I find wholly positive is that it has raised other works by more gifted authors from the shadows and catacombs. Books, containing compelling mythologies that perhaps are deserving of the acclaim the Potter series receives, but are perhaps merely content to wait on a shelf for a curious young mind to notice.

It isn't always the masses who discover great literature, and not every popular author is a Shakespeare, or even a Lovecraft.

When I was 11, I discovered, at my local library (without the assistance of any hype or lines of costumed fanboys at all, imagine that!), the first book in Diane Duane's Young Wizardry series, "So You Want To Be A Wizard". Thanks to Rowling's success, this older, far superior series (IMHO), is enjoying a revival.

Are not "those novels that parents love to revisit again and again as adults" the ones that we ourselves loved as children, or the ones that today remind us of them? And does not the solitary child with a taste for reading, whether encouraged to read by tales of Harry Potter, Beatrix Potter, or Marion Craig Potter, develop his or her own palate in time?

Agreed, I was hoping someone else felt this way.

To truly understand the story, I'm afraid you'll have to think through the "confusing metaphysics."

The Elder Wand is tied to the theme of the story, and it is impossible to understand the climax unless you understand why it gave it's alleigance to Harry instead of Voldemort. Furthermore, to say that it was wise for Tolkein to stick to a single ring, shows that you simply did not understand how the legend of the Deathly Hallows tied in to the story. You have to remember that Harry was ultimately the descendent of the brother that chose the cloak. In other words, Harry represents the brother that chose wisely, and had the right attitude towards death.

If you're dissapointed in the fact that the Deathly Hallows were more confusing than significant, then you've missed the point of the story. The objects were meant to be an illusion. As Dumbledore said, they were simply dangerous objects created by powerful wizards, and that the true Master of Death was not someone that would seek to avoid death by attaining the three objects. Ultimately, Voldemort's downfall was due to his obsession with attaining the Elder Wand, and due to his fear of death.

"Harry's death-that-isn't" is not a cop-out. It's a very important part of the story, because Harry would not have been able to give the Howartians his magical protection if he did not believe he was going to die. The protection Lily gave Harry was the same protection that Harry gave his friends by willingly giving himself over to Voldemort. Moreover, the fact that Voldemort had Harry's blood was always supposed to be significant, and fans had been wondering how it would come into play since GoF.

What sets Harry Potter apart from other literature, is its scientific-like complexity. I'm afraid it's not as simple as "I have to drop this ring into a volcano and then everyone will be happy again."

"I'm afraid it's not as simple as 'I have to drop this ring into a volcano and then everyone will be happy again.'"

You can be supportive of JKR without being snide or condescending to Tolkien or anybody else.

Jacques - Scientific-like complexity? Really? I must have read the wrong 7 books.

By the way slagging Tolkien is not a help to your argument.

Sorry, Claudius, but I was not trying to be condescending. I actually liked reading The Lord of the Rings, but I think my point is that it was a pretty straightforward story.

"And where Rowling's legacy is concerned, that's the decision that will make all the difference."

Hmmm. Haven't read them, but looking in from outside -- how is her legacy NOT that a former welfare mother is now a billionairess, thanks to (1) the elasticity of the English language in the hands of a Brit (Mugglewort, Dumbledore, Lothlorien, Mordor -- they do have a knack with the mother tongue); and (2) a brilliant marketing machine? Had she not gone from zero to All The Money There Is in less than a decade, would anyone be talking about Harry Potter?

Elvis, I'll join you in that bet, particularly in light of your final two claims made on the books' behalf: "the terrific little details, and the range of entertaining characters."

Astorian, I can't speak to "Spider-Man 3," but I think a comparison of Deathly Hallows and "Return of the Jedi" is way off-base. Whatever its flaws, DH still did what Rowling wanted it to do very well; whereas I can distinctly remember sitting in the theater on opening day as a fifteen-year-old watching "RotJ" and thinking, "Man, this really isn't very good at all."

Dave White, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you're right; if nothing else, the movie version of DH would give us the Battle of Hogwarts on screen, which will be simply ten kinds of awesome.

Jacques, I think you're misunderstanding something. Of course Harry's death-that-wasn't made sense; I agree it wasn't a cop-out...given the story Rowling intended to tell. The question is, however, whether or not she (unintentionally?) set up herself or her readers to expect a different kind of story, a more tragic one. (Oh, and if you think the "metaphysics" of Tolkien can be boiled down to "I have to drop this ring into a volcano and then everyone will be happy again," then you seriously misunderstand Tolkien.)

Dave White wrote:

"I couldn't help but thinking this may end up being the best movie of the seven, even if it's far from the best book."

I had the same reaction.

I differ from the critics, however, about the seventh book. I think there is a lot to like, little to complain about, and I think it is every bit as good as LOTR. As much as I enjoy Tolkein's work, there are parts that really drag on, and I found the ending to be quite anticlimactic. Tolkein had a command of the English language that was marvelous. Rowling does as well, but it is in the delivery that shows her understanding of how to use it. The pace of the final book was frenzied, and perhaps that is why I feel that Dave White's assertion makes a lot of sense.

I just hope that the movie is four hours long. :-)

Much like LOTR, Rowling has created a world which is so rich with possibilities that it leaves the reader with many questions. Frankly, I think we should be grateful for what we have. The world is a much better place because of Rowling's contribution.

Well, Robert, if you easily understood everything, including that Harry was a Horcrux (incasing a piece of Voldemort's soul), Voldemort had Harry's blood (which he used to return to his body, and which Harry used to give his friends the same magical protection his mother gave him) that they were bound by a prophecy in which one had to kill the other, and that Harry finally overcame Voldemort, ironcially, because of Voldemort's fear of death, then I congratulate you. If the whole plot came easily to you, then I can understand why you might think it's as simple as The Lord of the Rings.

Haven't read the last two books yet. Someday I hope to just to get the "true" literary experience which is so much different from the films. I will wait for the hubub to die down and pick them up at a discount. ;)

If any of you other "adults" want to read a series of books as enjoyable and absolutely fun as the Potter books but aimed at a more adult crowd you must read the Discworld series by Terry Pratchett. There are bunches (with no end in site hopefully).

Terry Pratchett's Discworld is to me the adult version of the Harry Potter series (it did come first of course). The same lovable characters return over and over, similar battles of good and evil and a mixture of absolute fall-on-the-floor-laughing comedy and tear jerking emotion and serious action. He's a genius.

For a time I actually thought that maybe... just maybe... Rowling was a Pratchet fan. I would like to think so anyway. ;)

Russel Fox, I realize there's more to the Lord of the Rings, but that's pretty much all Frodo had to do.

By contrast, Harry had to realize that Voldemort's weakness was his fear of death, and his assumption that the Elder Wand passed from person to person through death. Harry had to realize that death was not the ultimate factor, and that the wand passed from person to person simply through disarming. That reflected the difference in philosophy between the protagonist and the antagonist.

Although that was the final thing Harry had to discover, and the climax of the story, there is lot more Harry had to discover throughout the seven books. By contrast, Frodo pretty much new he had to drop the ring into the volcano from the very beginning.

I hope I've made my point.

Jacques,

Where to start...
1. I really enjoyed the Potter series but it has very little if any MORAL complexity. Harry is a good boy and never has any real choices to make. Oddly Snape is the moral center of the series even if it is clear early in the series that he is "good".
2. LOTR is a much more complex series than HP. Characters are constantly having to make decisions that have real bearing on their future and their moral and ethical standing in the world. JRT created an entire world not an adjunct to England.
3. The character of Voldemort vanishes in Hallows. From a genius, he becomes a complete idiot (he acts like the kid in the Twilight Zone episoide who sends people to the cornfield when they displease him.
I could continuie for hours but...
I liked Potter. I expect that it will be read for a long time. It is good but not great (IMHO)

I think this book suffered to a lesser extent, what Stephen King's final Dark Tower book suffered - a rush to conclude following a long buildup.

Rowling finished this book and submitted it to her publisher who immediately started printing. It really should have gone through an editing or two to cut out one or two of the 'hairs-breadth escapes' which seemed more and more improbable as the story unfolded. It would also have eradicated the continuity error of Hermione explaining how she performed complex memory charms on her parents, then claiming she's never done one, but 'knows the theory' later in the book.

I think one of the greatest things about these books is that everyday people (not just those in academia) are talking about reading! I also love the fact that JK Rowling has become a gazillionaire from *gasp* writing books!

Hello:

If I may make a small case disagreeing with earlier posts: the Malfoys are redeemed but not in the usual sense of the word. They are not nice people and they don't suddenly become the best friends of Harry and his ilk. However, they clearly end the novel being part of the world that has been created by the triumph of Harry over Voldemort. They aren't good, but they're no longer the 'bad guys.'

The key for me was the part, after Harry slips away from the celebrations and is working his way through the crowd invisibly, when he sees the Malfoys "huddled together" and "looking as if wondering if they belonged here, but no one was paying them any attention at all." You could take that last clause as snotty, but you could also take it as if they have been forgiven. No other Death Eaters get any mention at all after the death of Voldemort; do you think with the emotions in the room that no one would have noticed them?

The Malfoy's presence and the fact that they are accpeted (even in the epilogue) is in tune with one of the big themes in the book, that what separates Harry from Voldemort is Harry's capacity to love and be loved. The Malfoys, as nasty and selfish and bigotted as they are, demonstrate the capability to love. Narcissa is willing to lie to Voldemort to find her son; Lucius constantly whines to Voldemort about finding and protecting Draco; Draco even risks himself, though minimally, to save the unconscious Goyle in the Room of Requirement. Because they have the ability to love, even in their terribly limited way, they belong with the "good guys" at the end of the novel and that is where they appear.

I hope no one thinks I am reading too much into it, but that's what struck me immediately on finishing the book, that the whole conclusion was a reaffirmation of the difference that Dumbledore stressed again and again in the earlier novels.

It seems to me that if you are agonizing over the intricate details of the plot you are missing the point. Ultimately, HP is a children's book. It's themes are intricacies are writ large so the preteen (i.e. not fully mentally formed) reader can enjoy them. When you start tripping over the hoarcruxes being too numerous and the wand ownership issue too confusing or some plot lines left unresolved you are simply lacking the imagination of the child for whom the book was meant. A child can read all the HP books and use their imagination to fill in the blank spots where the adult mind would rightly protest. I think this makes the series only that much more successful. Rowling stayed true to her original aim of crafting a book for children (even in the face of unimaginable wealth) but was able to write a story that has captured the adult crowd as well, despite all the complaints. If you like the HP series at all I think you'd be better served putting a bit of your critical skills on hold and just letting it be what it is.

Rob wrote: "...how is her legacy NOT that a former welfare mother is now a billionairess, thanks to (1) the elasticity of the English language in the hands of a Brit [...]; and (2) a brilliant marketing machine? Had she not gone from zero to All The Money There Is in less than a decade, would anyone be talking about Harry Potter?"

Do you really think that language alone is enough to hook millions of kids (and adults) around the world and make them line up at midnight to buy a book? When was the last time you saw ANYONE lining up at a bookstore, regardless of time of day, to buy a (non-Harry Potter) book? Heck, I can make up lots of cool-sounding words, too, but it doesn't mean I can tell a story worth a damn.

As to the second point, you may be forgetting that the first HP book (Philosopher's Stone) was rejected by a slew of publishers, and when it was finally picked up by one, it had a very small first printing. Then as kids bought it and read it, word of mouth began to spread, and parents started reading because they wanted to see what had so entranced their kids. The massive marketing machine did not come into existence until AFTER the frenzy had started -- and it only happened because people fell in love with the world Rowling created. Clever marketing is not the sole force responsible for the success of the Harry Potter franchise; the heart of it is a good story. People didn't line up at midnight because of all the hype; they did it because they wanted to know, finally, what happens to Harry and his friends -- people they've spent the last ten years with, who are no less real to them than family and friends.

I loved the story and the pace is lot faster than the previous books. But I would have loved for Rowling to explain or expound on how Harry's relationship with the Dursley's improved or ended.

Sheree

"By contrast, Harry had to realize that Voldemort's weakness was his fear of death, and his assumption that the Elder Wand passed from person to person through death. Harry had to realize that death was not the ultimate factor, and that the wand passed from person to person simply through disarming."

I think this misses an important point: that wands "choose their own master." In this case, the elder wand chose Draco because, although he disarmed Dumbledore and could have killed him, Draco ultimately did not have the will to carry out the deed. The fact that Draco wasn't completely on the dark side (despite his unfortunate upbringing and personal hatred of Harry) was the redeeming quality that made the wand choose him.

But I do have two serious quibbles:

1) When Neville slew the snake, he did so with the sword of Gryffindor - which mysteriously emerged from the Sorting Hat. How did the Hat acquire the sword? I thought it was firmly in the hands of the goblin.

2) It was also too convenient that Harry just happened to be present when Voldemort killed Snape. Snape was trying desperately to go to Harry to finally reveal himself - but Voldemort wouldn't let him do so. If Harry hadn't been so handily nearby when Snape died, Harry would never have learned the truth.

And finally, I thought the most moving parts of the book were the death of Dobby and Snape's story. Both revealed a depth of feeling which for me was more profound than Harry's willingness to die. After all, Harry would (after death) be united with his parents, Sirius, Dumbledore and others - not exactly a bad place to be!

Excellent review.

One of the points I've made all along to other readers is that JKR is not, and has never been, writing adult fiction. She writes very well for the age of the reader, which, in traditional 'reading up' manner, is about 2 years younger than the protagonist. For a 15-year old, this is fabulous content. It is enough challenging to make them think, wonder, and maybe even question themselves - what would I have done, what does this mean to my life, how am I like or unlike the people in the book, is Harry right to make the choices he does, can Dumbledore's teenage arrogance be forgiven?

I enjoy pre-teen, teen, and young-adult literature. Adult literature, too, though since I have four kids, I get much less time for that. Right now, when I get the chance, I read ahead of my kids, catching the issues that may come up in discussion after they read, and preparing myself to manage the issues of the tale if/when I'm reading the stories to them for all our enjoyment.

From that perspective, this is pretty decent teen lit. The plotting is compelling enough to grab an adult and suck them in, the leaps of imagination required are suited to what I recall of my early-to-mid-teen mind, and the moral issues are displayed over and over from every angle ... but are fundamentally not college-level questions. Enough murk to appeal to the jaded eye of the appropriate age reader, and enough honesty about characters being true more to their own inner issues than to one or two events, even big ones. Just about spot on, really.

Though I do agree with the poster who said that it could have used another round or two with a pretty strict editor. That's speaking as a professional writer who usually has to self-edit ... a good editor wouldn't be enough, here, she needed a great one.

Ellen, the sword got there the same way as Harry got it the last time. It wasn't placed IN the hat, the hat obtained it when a true Griffindor needed it. The sword had been in a case in Dumbledore's office before Harry got it in the other book (was that 2?). Which always made me wonder if a true Ravenclaw could have pulled the diadem out of the hat if it had been needed...

What I fail to understand is why death should be feared at all by people who believe in "metaphysics", magic, and life after death. Basing stories on magic instead of reality seems boring to me and has since I was... oh.. about 8 years old or so.

Harry Potter created a truly magical world where children were forced to imagine the "magic" in the atmosphere - the age old magic of any fairy tale, only this was more rooted in the present. The juvenile literature in recent times lacked the key characteristic - a plot and setting that would fire a child's imagination.

I think, if nothing else the Harry Potter books shook the children awake, forced them to get away from the mind-numbing TV and experience the joys of a nice read. That in itself is a great achievement!

For Harold Bloom to imply that the Harry Potter books don't enrich mind, spirit or personality demonstrates how narrow his own are. I find him to be a blowhard addicted to the sound of his own voice or seeing his name in print. To paraphrase Marc Cohen, Harold Bloom writes for an audience of one.

"2. LOTR is a much more complex series than HP. Characters are constantly having to make decisions that have real bearing on their future and their moral and ethical standing in the world. JRT created an entire world not an adjunct to England."

What moral complexity?
LotR was EXTREMELY straight-forward.
Within those books all 'races' with dark skin or who are ugly are totally, completely, irredeemably evil and to be slaughtered in mass without hesitation. They are also so completely inept that even a person with the porportional size, strength and skill of a 10-year old child could easily overcome a dozen of them.
On the flip side, beautiful races are unquestionably good, honorable and flawless. They can do absolutely everything better than everyone and are always on the good side no matter what. Justy a pity they are vanishing in the world...

Your good guys are very clear and obvious from the beginning, there is never a serious question about the loyalty of any character and they all stay so until the end. Anyone who turns, even for a short time, is only done through magical manipulation. The only moral choice they ever have to make is not to run away and keep walking towards the mountain to throw away the ring. Of course, that's not hard because outside of the hobbits they are so over-the-top skilled and powerful that absolutely nothing they face even phases them for a moment.

There are no moral complexities, there are no choices beyond the ones that only someone braindead would stumble on for long. There are no major choices to be made, they are all clear from the beginning. All that needed to happen is that the ring needed to be tossed in the volcano and all the bad guys instantly go away forever. And even if that didn't get done, they were so worthlessly inept at villains that they good guys no doubt would have taken them all out without even suffering serious casualties.

All considered, there is quite a lot more intrigue, moral and ethical complexity and really difficult choices to make in the Harry Potter books than the Lord of the Rings. Of course, that's only because there is almost none to speak of in Lord of the Rings. In Harry Potter, Harry tends to only make the right choices accidentally and when he makes the wrong ones the world saves him and fixes his mistakes for him... most of the time (his misjudgement of Snape is a major one he never got to really fix).

I read it through and had to reread a few chapters becuase I missed stuff in my enthusiasm. The book does well, even if it does plod in the "on the run" chapters. Kreacher's redemption was great to see. I agree, Teddy Lupin was a loose thread that needed fixing, and Pettigrew's death was a little lame. (Why did Lupin and Tonks and Fred need to die anyway? That had little to do with the plot! At least Mad-Eye's death set up the intruder part of the Ministry escape...)

But I still want to know why in Book 6 Harry and Dumbledore didn't take Fawkes with them when they went to the cave? And were do phoenixes go when their master dies, anyway?

Nice reflection on the books, Ross. Here's me reporting second hand on my daughter's take. She's nearly 15, has loved the series all along, read everyone once, a few a second time. She insists that the tale has become more for adults too — she wants adults to share in her enthusiasm .... but also because she is growing into her own taste and valuing books on her own. So she loves the HP books... but likes LOTR better. She grades hard (pre-grade inflation) and gives this final HP a solid B. She's a great fan but no fanatic, but will certainly cherish her Potter years always.

I don't think the Harry Potter books will be forgotten. I am not going to throw them away or sell them on Amazon or EBAY. I am going to keep them and occasionally revisit them as I already do.

An excellent review! The book was indeed bloated and structurally unsound and the ending trite and facile. A good editor would certainly have helped. And it was a very depressing book, too. Without the school year as a distraction, we see what the series has really been about all along: death. In Deathly Hallows, the preoccupation with death and the number of gratuitous deaths put me off greatly. I personally found the notion of a young man, just technically an adult, gradually becoming resigned to the notion that he must sacrifice himself for a higher purpose very disturbing, especially in this era of suicide bombers.

This will probably end up turning into a LOTR argument. Let me just point out that it is not true that "just have to drop this ring into a volcano and then everyone will be happy again." The Lord of the Rings is a semi-tragedy - Frodo is never truly happy again, the Shire gets raped by Saruman, the elves pass on, and the world on the whole is a smaller diminished place after the ring is destroyed. It becomes the world of grays that the more "sophisticated" readers claim they want. But of course calling the heroes and villains of the LOTR one-dimensional is beside the point - they're epic figures. Aragorn and Legolas are just as, or no more, one dimensional than Achilles or Beowulf or the Bogatiri. Tolkien can be accused of being anachronistic, even derivative, but not simplistic. There's really very little point in comparing the consciously "not of our world" LOTR to Harry Potter - which is a very modern book and strives to reflect the sensibilities of early 21st century readers. This is why I always thought it would have been a mistake for Harry to die - there really is no place for high tragedy in the Potter world.

Hobgoblyn:

Lord of the Rings was a generally straightforward story, true. But that doesn't mean it lacked Moral complexity.

I don't understand how you can say that the good guy's were clear from the beginning. What about the character of Saruman, who did not start out bad. Unlike Voldemort, the man who was evil from birth, how is that complex? We never witnessed Voldemort's gradual descent towards evil...nope, he was just born that way!

What about Wormtongue, Smeagol and Boromir? All of these character's have to make choices between good and evil. And Smeagol in particular is a highly sympathetic character (and still alot of people's favourite character) dispite the fact everyone knew he was evil.

I agree that Harry Potter has more moral comlexity for today's readers. Honestly though, don't discount The Lord of the Rings. It has stood the test of time, so obviously Tolkein did something right.

C'mon, Ross -- she HAD to use a formula, she HAS to go back to the "something fishy at Hogwarts" device? I don't think so -- do you read formulaic romances and the like as well? I read the book very quickly and so maybe I'll better understand your point in a subsequent reading, but personally I didn't mind the "hopscotching" one bit, and I was very surprised to hear you say that; I've read many reviews of Deathly Hallows, several of them negative (one rather puzzling one decrying the lack of moral struggle for Harry?), and yet this is the first one I've seen that longed for a return to the predictable formulas of yore.

I was fine to be out in the woods and "meandering" everywhere with the trio and not to be at Hogwarts with a new DADA teacher, etc., and I almost have to wonder if you're looking for something different in these stories if you really missed that. I'm 40 years old and as a fan of all kinds of fiction have read a great number of books in my lifetime, from the classics all the way down to the obscure, and I've read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy, good, bad, and middling. Nevertheless, this is the first time I've cared so much about the outcome of a series with which, I must say, I was completely satisfied -- and that includes the ending, which I honestly thought could not have been much better. Perfect? No, but i have no major complaints and only very few quibbles.

I agree with Vish on one point: I have no doubt whatsoever that the millions of kids who are reading HP and growing up with Harry today (who might otherwise be playing video games and watching TV) will be giving these books to their children to read. It stands to reason that today's adult readers (and reviewers) will have a much smaller impact on the success of the series in the long run. Hundreds of millions of books have already been sold, and don't discount the impact of the quite popular movies on these young readers, either.

I don't understand the idea that the first two or three books in the series were incredible and the rest were not; on the contrary, if we were still reading about Harry's wonderful grab 'o the Snitch in yet another Quidditch match, Snape's curling lip, funny plants with silly names, Neville's hapless spells, Hermione going to the library every ten minutes, kids "snogging" each other, and Hagrid's inexplicable love for dangerous creatures (all good stuff, don't misunderstand), how much would we really care? We can always read or re-read Roald Dahl and the like we're looking for Willy Wonka Goes to Hogwarts. Harry Potter was destined for something different: in the rising action of her overall story Rowling constantly upped the ante and put her characters into situations where we absolutely cared. We cared so much that we readers (me and my wife, at least) were simply swept away by the seventh book and didn't, while we were reading it, see it as a book at all. The best compliment a writer can be given is that his or her story can take us to another place, that the story is so well-crafted that it can make us forget that we're reading "just a story" -- I maintain that Rowling did that for a great many people, and I'm truly sorry if you couldn't share that experience.

Algernon you nailed it; the over-analysis by some did indeed have a terribly negative impact. I think even Ross is an example of someone who tried to make the books into something they are not, and was therefore disappointed in the result. And the theories, wow; I believe that many bright readers, cussing and discussing every tiny detail of the first six books ad infinitum via forums or chatrooms or other methods, in many cases simply set themselves up to fail. No wonder some things seemed "easily predictable" ... aside from the Hallows themselves ("new" devices in the plot) there is almost nothing JKR did in book 7 that someone, somewhere, hadn't said, "I believe this will happen" or "I wonder if this will happen." Imagine, if you will, if Tolkien's or Lewis's masterpieces were released for the first time today, one volume at a time, in the day and age of the Internet and the public forum. It would certainly be different, wouldn't it?

Jacques -- you can belabor your point all you want, but reducing the plot of LotR to "I have to drop this ring into a volcano and then everyone will be happy again" in an attempt to pump the complexities of HP so completely misses the point of both stories that, IMO, your entire post becomes suspect. And I hate saying that because you make some decent points, but Frodo knowing what to do with the ring doesn't end Tolkien's story, nor is this knowledge really all that important in the grand scheme of things. He's told what to do at the council in Rivendell, and the story moves on from there. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Rob, how can the money JKR has earned create all this buzz about the last novel? By "would anybody be talking about Harry" do you mean the media? I guess your point might not be quite as awkward if that's what you meant, but I wasn't sure; your average HP fan of any age doesn't give a House Elf's smelly sock for how much money JKR has made; they are into this because they care about Harry, Ron, Hermione and the rest.

In sum, Rod, this is a wonderful story for kids of all ages; those poor souls without good imaginations need not apply. The pro-love and pro-redemption elements and themes, all by themselves, make HP stand out from the pack of typical fantasy, and I'll put on my Professor Trelawney hat (bless her heart!) and predict that JKR's magic at grabbing hold of her reader's imagination and heartstrings will continue to make Harry Potter as well known in 50 years as Frodo is today.

Does Harry's story have staying power? In 1973 Peter S. Beagle (in the foreword to the Ballentine paperback edition of the LotR novels) famously said, "... lovers of Middle-earth want to go there. I would myself, like a shot."

Can you honestly say that this sentiment wouldn't be true for readers of the Harry Potter books, wanting to go to the Wizarding world? There's a theme park being developed for just that purpose. Who among us (leaving aside those with no imagination, no sense of fun, or a skewed quasi-religious interpretation of the word "witch") wouldn't want to go there?

I would myself, like a shot.

The magic of Harry Potter lies in how deeply readers connect to the characters. The books draw you into a world where a child / young adult can make a difference in the fight against good and evil; where a mother's love can save her child's life. The story is complex and compelling. It's a little early to be speculating on the long term legacy of the series. In the meantime, I look forward to the day when I will be busting my children reading Harry Potter with a flashlight, under the covers, in the middle of the night.

"how is her legacy NOT that a former welfare mother is now a billionairess"

In regards to J.K. Rowling's legacy, her personal rags-to-riches story is a claim to her celebrity not the legacy of her work. It was a fantastic achievement to do as much as she did to sell this series but the money made off it doesn't say anything to its lasting impact. Malcolm Lowry was hardly a millionaire when he died yet "Under the Volcano" is now considered one of the finest books of 20th century.

A writer's legacy is not contained in how we remember the life of a writer, it's if the work left behind continues to have resonance. We know next to nothing about the person who first wrote the epic of Gilgamesh. The work itself has outlived any memory of its creator.

Whether or not "Harry Potter" will continue to have resonance is not something that can be marketed or sold. (Least I hope it can't.)

As they said in clerks 2----The Lord of Rings is just a bunch of walking.

"Tolkien, it turns out, was wise to stick to a single ring"
Don't forget the 3 rings for the Elves, the 7 rings for the Dwarves and the 9 rings for men.

Good review. I mostly enjoyed Book 7, but I admit it -- magic seems much less magical outside of Hogwarts. I appreciate that Rowling's main idea was to have Harry unprotected and vulnerable in this last book, with no resources [from Hogwarts or the Ministry or even the Weasleys or Remus] except what he and his two friends could find within themselves. Nonetheless, I hadn't appreciated how much I had come to read the books for the magic of that magical school. [And I hope that Harry and co. were allowed to come back the following year so they weren't gypped out of their 7th year -- and their NEWTs!] Logistical quandaries aside, I found the final book's showdown emotionally very satisfying as far as Harry's concerned, and more or less as far as Dumbeldore's concerned. But what was Rowling thinking, depriving us of some sort of scene of reconciliation or at least understanding between Snape and Harry? The problem for me is that, without such a scene, Snape's stoic heroism becomes so unbearably tragic [because entirely unrecognized in his life] that his unacknowledged sacrifices threaten to outweigh Harry's so public heroism. In narrative terms, this meant that I felt Snape's death and final words much more deeply than I did anything that Harry went through, even his 'walk to death.' But aside from this one, rather large problem, I found this final book much richer than I was expecting in its moral themes [even if it turns out to be much more of a Christian allegory than I expected to read anywhere outside of Lewis!]
And Rob, the cynicism of your comment about marketing makes me sad, because I've always felt just the reverse -- I've always felt simply pleased that Rowling could become so phenomenally successful just by writing such sweet and likeable books. There are thousands of better books -- but very few as sweet natured as these. How extraordinary therefore that they should have become such a worldwide phenomenon. [And if her well-publicized love of The White Horse gets people reading Elizabeth Goudge again, well then, what more could I hope for...!]

You don't have to take Harold Bloom's word on what Potter's worth, of course. What it's worth should be obvious to anyone who has read (and liked) at least some of the great books of Western literature. I can understand how you can be a fan as a child, perhaps. I myself was a Star Wars fan in the 70s & 80s. But it's been 30 years, and I have seen other movies since then, and it is now more than obvious to me that while Star Wars (at least the first one) is in a certain sense a masterpiece, it has nothing to do with who I am today or what is truly important to me. I mean, watching Forman's Amadeus, for example, can compare to no Star Wars, no matter how great a fan I was a quarter of a century ago.

Harold Bloom has a wonderful collection I recommend to everyone: Stories and Poems for Extremely Intelligent Children of All Ages. But the bottom line is: no one can make you see the difference. If you insist on beliving that Potter's truly great literature, it's your call. I have only one suggestion for you: read on.

Oh, that quote from Clerks 2 is hilarious. Mind you, I loved the walking in LOTR. More specifically, the journey, the stopping, the eating, the gradual transition from pleasant home to terrifying wasteland.

And I want to thank Dan for a well-written riposte. What more do people want from a fantasy book. When was the last time you read Agatha Christie? Her books are full of ridiculous plot holes and outrageous coincidences. I've been enjoying the Brother Cadfael series recently, most definitely written for adults, but laughable for their anachronisms, convoluted plot twists and predictable plot points. It doesn't make them "for children", it doesn't even make them bad; they're wonderful because the characters and situations are compelling enough for us to read on.

As for what makes these "children's" books, I am very glad that Rowling has crafted these complex stories to get kids excited about reading, and to exercise their minds. I think she often made Harry just a little bit slow to realize certain points, so that the kids could excitedly figure out the mystery before he did. If it were TOO adult and complicated, it wouldn't be fun for them.

Let the naysayers complain, because they ALWAYS will. Those of us who love these stories love them because of how they've enriched our lives. I know I'll be forever inspired by Rowling's world of playful humor, friendship, love and bravery. It has meant a lot to me, as someone who has been through some VERY tough times recently, to have her parable to help illustrate the rewards of forging ahead with trust.

Bill, I never said that tLotR was a bad story because it had a simpler plot than HP (which it has). I don't think you'll ever find that I said that. I simply said that you have to understand all the complexities of HP, which are substantial, to truly see how the theme plays out. That doesn't make HP better per se.

However, I do think that people are missing a lot of things in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, which I think is great. Over time, people will find that there was more to the books than what they first thought, and they will be re-examined.

One Ring in the LOTR? Uhhh try 20 rings.

9 for Mortal Men,
7 for the Dwarf Lords,
3 for the Elves, and
1 Ring to Rule them all and in Darkness Bind them.

Add on also the Vial of Gladariel, Sting, Sam's box with the seed/dust in it, the Palantir, and so forth. Each of these items (save for maybe Sam's box) played a critical role in the books. Without the Vial, Sam and Frodo would have been hopeless lost. The Palantir is what Aragorn uses to pull Sauron's attention away from looking for Frodo towards Minas Tirith and the battle before the Gates of Mordor.

Claudius,

As for the reason they had to resurect Voldemort in the graveyard, and had to wait a year, I think it is pretty clear. In book seven we are shown that simply taking something from someone doesn't make it yours, in the magical world JKR creates, "the wand chooses the wizard." It wouldn't be OK to have someone else perform "bone of the father unknowingly given" and all that hocus-pocus. Harry had to be captured "forcibly" and for all we know the resurection potion in the cauldron might take a year to mature. I never thought about this until you mentioned it, because I just thought, this is a kids book and its freaking magic. Logic, reason, and sense do not apply...

Ross, not to be pedantic (Dude, this is Tolkien we're referencing here! It's all of the essence!), but one ring?

Come on, man, snap out of it:

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

There were many other lesser rings forged, as well, that were not rings of power.

As for "talismans" in Tolkien, there were dozens, most importantly the Palintirs. Sting. Glamdring. The gifts of Galadriel. Etcetera.


I know nothing of Harry Potter, so your comparison is probably still spot on in relative terms. I read the first Potter Book and thought it charming, like re-reading Encyclopedia Brown or James and the Giant Peach for the first time since sixth grade. Good tweeny lit, amusing once or twice a decade. The second book bored me, and I never finished it or attempted any of the others.


Besides, fantasy as a genre is basically dead to me. Who can top Tolkien? So little written since has not been derivative homage to the master. No wonder Rowling blew it.

The role of the Malfoys in the resolution of the series is occupying my thoughts more than I expected. I agree with Dennis's comments about the quality of the Malfoys' redemption -- they were redeemed in being allowed back into the wizarding world at all, and this on account of their ability to feel love for each other. The small heroisms of Draco and Narcissa were perfectly suited to their not-quite-evil-enough characters, and put the lie to claims that this series was not morally complex. For the Malfoys to have played the role of "heroes" any more dramatically than they did would have been jarring and unconvincing given their previous roles in the books.

In the end, Rowling used Draco brilliantly to draw out her themes. Despite his unremitting nastiness year after year at Hogwarts, in the end, Draco had just enough good in his heart that Dumbledore's mercy was not wasted on him. Dumbledore recognized this early, and went to very great lengths to ensure that Draco's soul would be spared the destruction that murder would have wreaked on it. Harry showed similar mercy in saving Draco from the fire in the Room of Requirement, at great risk to himself, even after everything the Malfoys had done. These acts of mercy later made possible Harry's escape from the forest. I do not believe that Harry could have convincingly lied to Narcissa when she asked whether her son was alive. The fact that he WAS alive -- and his soul whole -- saved Harry, and saved everything.

Draco's nod to Harry on the train platform was perfect. Harry and Draco will never drink a pint together and laugh about old times -- but Draco's son is welcome at Hogwarts, and Draco can show his face on platform 9 3/4. That nod was a nod in the direction of the moral complexity that many are claiming is not present in the HP series.

One final note, about the Elder Wand: A comment above argues that the Wand "chose" Draco because he was redeemable. Without quoting exactly, I believe at one point a character (Ollivander?) points out that the story of the Elder Wand is spattered like blood across the pages of wizarding history. The Elder Wand is not a kindly sidekick, or a counterpart of the Sword of Gryffindor. It had largely been wielded through history by more or less evil wizards, no? The Elder Wand chose Harry because the chain of custody rightfully passed through him. If Draco had failed to disarm Dumbledore before Snape killed him, then Voldemort would have taken possession of the Wand by killing Snape, right? Maybe Dumbledore foresaw that (as he foresaw so many other things) and allowed Draco to disarm him. (Draco's disarming of Dumbledore, even in his weakened state, never made much sense to me -- Dumbledore was too powerful a wizard. That's one possible explanation.)

There was scene earlier in the book when Lupin told Harry that expelliarmus had kind of become his signature move. I think that has a lot to do with why Harry got the Elder Wand, and it underliens the difference between Harry and Voldemort.

I think details like that show how the theme of the book plays out in Harry's world.

Eric, I had missed the fact that Harry ultimately saved his own life be saving Draco's life, but you seem to have hit the nail on the head. I partly wondered why there was so much going on with Draco Malfoy, and why he was being brought up in the battle of Hogwarts. But now I see that Harry would not have been able to answer Narcissa if he hadn't saved Malfoy. Moreover, isn't it ironic that Voldemort would have believed that he had to kill Malfoy to get the Elder Wand from him?

Yes, LOTR has greater moral depth and more interestingly conflicted characters than HP, and a greater sense of tragedy (although some of its moral messages are no more complex than "the only good Orc is a dead Orc"). But the real difference, I think, is that in LOTR we are given a far deeper sense of a combat against genuine evil. Not surprising, seeing as how LOTR was written in the 1930's with Adolf out there romping and stomping and everybody with more brains than a cabbage fully aware that a re-run of The War to End All Wars was scheduled for the near future. Rowling simply doesn't inhabit the kind of black-and-white polarized world, or feel the same doomful premonitions that Tolkein did, and it shows in her writing.

Parts of it read like a script for a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. Parts of it are just dull. Parts of it just aren't justified. There's too much gratuitous complexity.

We're left with the annoying question "Why not just sneak up on Voldemort with the invisibility cloak and take him out with a rifle?" He's not invulnerable. But no, we have to have the big dramatic duel. As Steven Speilberg once said to Harrison Ford during the filming of a duel scene in one of the Indiana Jones epics, "Aw, hell, just kill him with the gun". That's considered one of the great moments in the history of motion pictures.

Re: Within those books all 'races' with dark skin or who are ugly are totally, completely, irredeemably evil and to be slaughtered in mass without hesitation.

Neither the Darwves nor the Ents qualify are "beautiful" races. In fact even the Hobbits are a bit homely. As for the Elves, only the good ones are left. The bad ones (incluyding some who led a murederous revolt way back in Middle Earth history) have long since gotten their just deserts. And what do you make of the moral ambiguity of Denethor (a rather arrogant character who commits suicide out of despair) or Saruman the White who is corrupted completely?
But if you want some really difficult moral ambuguity let me recommend the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant where the rather unlikeable real world protagonist rapes a teenage girl in the fantasy world before he's been there even a day, a crime which has snowballed down through the whole series, its consequences growing ever huger until nature is corrupted, the law of death is broken etc. (And there's a rather high body count among central characters too)

Draco's disarming of Dumbledore, even in his weakened state, never made much sense to me -- Dumbledore was too powerful a wizard.

The text of Half-Blood Prince indicates that Dumbledore used the split second when Draco opened the door to paralyze Harry under the cloak, which gave Draco the opening. Even a wizard as fast as Dumbledore can only cast one spell at a time.

Within those books all 'races' with dark skin or who are ugly are totally, completely, irredeemably evil and to be slaughtered in mass without hesitation.



Seems like you're forgetting one of the most celebrated moments in LotR, when Sam gazes at the corpse of one of the dark-skinned human Mordor ally soldiers from the southeast and wonders whether he was just some poor bloke who got drafted.

I was disappointed, largely because--as an adult--I'm not too interested in Rowling's emotional/spiritual themes. It's all pretty simplistic: love conquers all and sacrificing for others is good. Also, be nice to the little people. Her characters aren't that intriguing to me, either. They are mostly types (just my opinion). The big revelation of this book--about Snape--was patently obvious to me.

What I love is Rowling's ingenuity in imagining up what a secret "wizarding world" would be like. I have really enjoyed discovering that world bit-by-bit, along with Harry. But now he seems to have the whole picture, and I felt this book was just a bit dull as a result. The idea of the superwand didn't do much for me, as compared to things she's come up with in the past.

But, if I were a *kid*, I think maybe the characters and themes would have resonated a lot more with me, the whole series through. I think the emotional stakes might be higher, and so this book might seem more interesting (What's going to happen to them?! Who's going to live?! Who's going to die?!)

And I agree with the previous poster that it's the books we love *as kids* that we pass along to our own. I can check out a kids' book today and think, "Oh, maybe my kids would like this..." But I have a treasure trove of my youthful favorites that I dole out to them anxiously, always hoping they will love them as much as I did. I'm sure Harry Potter will be the same for many parents one day...

Alexandria - But you were assisted by the book biting you on the finger, weren't you? ;) Much as I enjoy HP, I wince at the way the Young Wizards series is being coat-tailed onto it...YW was first, and far more strongly written, and there are still more books ahead! (Though, the Transcendant Pig is right up there alongside the most baffling aspects of the HP universe.)