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A League of Extraordinary Democracies

06 Aug 2007 04:48 pm

I just taped a Bloggingheads session with Jon Chait in which I expressed considerable skepticism about the Kagan-Daalder call for "a Concert of Democracies" as a non-UN source of international legitimacy for American-led interventions. It appears, though, that I didn't read the piece carefully enough, since in my back-and-forth with Chait I talked a lot about how tough it would be to decide what countries qualify as "democracies" (does Venezuela? Russia?), but via Matt I see that Kagan and Daalder actually pre-emptively address that objection by defining "the world's democracies" as "the United States and its democratic partners in Europe and Asia." Which I guess means NATO and the lands down under plus Japan, South Korea, and India.

If anything, this formulation makes their argument even less persuasive. After all, even if we table the question of how Russia, China, the Arab world, Latin America and Africa would react to a new intervention-authorizing body that was designed to exclude them, it seems to me that if we're looking for a NATO-style organization that can lend legitimacy to interventions that don't have a prayer of passing the Security Council, we should just use, well, NATO - and then try to bring other allies on board on an ad hoc basis, without ideological litmus tests. (A "Concert of Democracies" mission that deliberately excluded Putin's Russia and Musharraf's Pakistan would have had a much tougher time toppling the Taliban, one might venture, then the actual NATO-led, Russian and Pakistani-approved intervention.)

Comments (8)

The lands down under are neither European or Asian.

True, but I can't imagine Kagan and Daalder meant to exclude them from their Concert of Democracies.

What would make this "Concert of Democracies" any different from the Coalition of the Willing, i.e. the United States and a smattering of other countries who want to stay in America's good graces? Other powers would easily dismiss it as a creature of U.S. interests.

DU

Israel?

Certainly qualifies by any standard as a democracy

Quite an issue though -- after all it is likely that any Concert of Democracies would be when dealing with the Middle East be concerned about/protecting Israeli interests. But I'd be willing to wager that unfortunately not so many of the world's democracies would prefer the company of Israel in anything like this.

It seems to me that they didn't even eliminate the Russia problem. Russia has a democratically elected government and is in both Europe and Asia. It isn't anywhere else.

I also think Matt Yglesias' point is very good. The test for any of these things should be whether they would have stopped the Iraq War. Kagan and Daalder fail that test unless they are willing to respect France's veto.

Big time American pundits seem to think that democratic regimes are more agreeable to international interventions. Serbia is a democracy, as is Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia, and South Africa. None of these countries would support more US (-led) invasions. If Americans truly want to hamstring their ability to invade foreign countries at will, this council of democracies stuff is a great idea.

Will Gaza be allowed in?

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