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American Exceptionalism

07 Aug 2007 02:00 pm

Both Matt and Ezra have generally favorable responses to this Matt Miller piece, which argues, inter alia, that it's silly to call John Edwards a lefty populist, because his views would place him square in the Western European mainstream:

The centrepiece of Mr Edwards’ agenda is a call for universal health coverage. It sounds radical to American ears, perhaps. But Margaret Thatcher would have been chased from office in the UK if she had proposed a health plan as radically conservative as Mr Edwards’ – under which private doctors would supply the medicine, and years would still pass with millions of Americans uncovered.

Mr Edwards wants to lift the minimum wage substantially, and to boost wage subsidies for low-income work besides. But the outer limits of Mr Edwards’ ambition would leave low income work less generously compensated than the minimum wage and subsidy blend enacted by Britain’s New Labourites Tony Blair and Gordon Brown – arrangements Conservative party leader David Cameron says suit him just fine.

... I could go on, but you get the point. The fact that a Thatcher-Cameron-Buffet agenda can be hyped as “populist” says more about propaganda success and media norms than anything else.

Or maybe it says something about the actual-existing political spectrum in the United States of America, which is surely the relevant criteria to use when deciding whether to describe an American politician as "left" or "right." Similarly, if I were writing about the French elections, it would be silly for me to argue that the French press shouldn't label Sarkozy a "conservative" because after all, he's well to the left of Ronald Reagan or Bob Barr - since in the French context, which is the one that matters, he is right wing.

Obviously, progressives like to set Western Europe as the norm, and the United States as the exception, because they find Western Europe's political spectrum more congenial than ours; conservatives from time to time do the reverse, particularly when writing about France. But there's no independent standard that makes British or French socialism "normal," and U.S. libertarianism "absurdly to the right," as Ezra puts it. Especially since it's not particularly surprising that a collection of small densely-populated countries that share a common cultural, economic and political history over the last few hundred would gravitate toward one political and economic model, while a large, more-sparsely populated country with a very different political, cultural and economic history would gravitate toward a very different political and economic model. To assume that the former is the standard by which the normalcy of the latter should be judged, or vice versa, is to leap over a whole host of variables and arguments.

There is, of course, the liberal case that the U.S. would be just as left-wing as Europe if Republicans hadn't manipulated the system to skew the country away from its own preferences, but I've never found it terribly persuasive.

Comments (13)

I agree with your main point, that "there's no independent standard that makes British or French socialism 'normal'." It's a device used in an argument. It's somewhat illuminating, just to remind us how our frame for viewing things differs from that comparable countries, but it doesn't on its own tell us what's right or wrong.

I mildly disagree with this, though-- "it's not particularly surprising that a collection of small densely-populated countries that share a common cultural, economic and political history over the last few hundred would gravitate toward one political and economic model".

I agree with the "small, densely populated" aspect, but am not as sure about the common cultural history. They spent an awful lot of those past few centuries fighting with each other, and believing each other to be of an inferior race. It could be argued that the identity of being “European” is now comparable with the identity of one’s own country, but that’s quite a recent development.

" while a more-sparsely populated country with a very different political, cultural and economic history would gravitate toward a very different political and economic model. "

Which explains why Canada and Australia are vastly closer to the Western European norm . . .

Elvis: their shared cultural history is called Latin Christendom. Maybe you've heard of it?

Ignacio,

Maybe you forgot to read the last 3/4 of the sentence you quoted, because Ross wasn't resting his entire point on "more sparsely populated." Or are you actually under the impression that Canada and Australia have political, cultural and economic histories that are more similar to the US than to Western Europe?

Canada is actually way closer to the U.S. model than it is to the European. It would be even closer, but for the influence of Quebec.

BTW comparison of European socialism and Canadian free enterprise is a constant theme of the excellent Finnish Canadian blogger Illka Kokarinen. See this to start you off.

I believe the question is less why certain policies & positions are considered "left" or "right" -- for which the kind of contextualism that Ross suggests would indeed be appropriate -- but rather why some policies & positions are considered to be beyond the pale, practically unworthy of consideration and dangerously suspect. As Miller's column noted, the American political spectrum is often mis-represented so that anything more than a few shades to the left of Bill Clinton is marked, simply, "Here there be Marxists". But there are, in fact, a plethora of positions between America's left and the actual, like, socialism -- a plethora of positions that are well-instantiated in a range of other first-world countries. So the tendency to treat Edwards as a _scary_ populist is, indeed, a bit silly, even if there's nothing at all silly about labeling him a _lefty_ populist.

Or are you actually under the impression that Canada and Australia have political, cultural and economic histories that are more similar to the US than to Western Europe?

(1) No, I don't think they have political and economic histories that are closer to the US than Western Europe, which was my point.

(2) Yes, I think they have cultural histories that are closer to the US.

Frankly, at this level of abstraction, this argument is a mug's game.

hmm, maybe the US Senate has something to do with it? Wyoming has the same power as California. It's not the difference between rural and urban; it's the difference in political power exercised by the Western states, and their very curious loyalty to the Republican party (although that's changing -- see Montana.)

It's not a matter of "Left or Right". That's not a fair of looking at it. We, in the US, are generally more libertarian. I know that sounds a bit silly considering the Socio-cultural Right but it's true overall.

That's the biggest difference. Left or Right, we simply have less economic intervention in the market.

Re: Their shared cultural history is called Latin Christendom. Maybe you've heard of it?

This applies to the nations of Southern Europe, and to some of the Slavic nations. In northern Europe Protestantism dominated (back when Europe was still Christian) and even before the Reformation the Pope's rule was much resisted and often enough simply ignored in the north. Western Europe is not a unified whole. A major cultural fault line runs down the Rhine-Danube watershed, the old northern borders of the Roman Empire, a fault that was violently active as recently as the 1940s. Also, I would suggest that the British Isles are distinct from continental Europe too, and should be grouped separately with their overseas former colonies (the US, Caanda, Australia and New Zeland).

Re: Or are you actually under the impression that Canada and Australia have political, cultural and economic histories that are more similar to the US than to Western Europe?

I do indeed think a case can be made for this, culturally at least. As I mentioned above the six Anglo-Celtic nations* form a separate civilizational block within the larger civilization of Europe (or Christendom, as it was once called).
* The UK, Ireland, Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. Obviously there are unqiue features in these nations that set them apart from one another too: native peoples, immigration from non-European countries, Canada's Quebecois, America's African-dsecended people, New Zealand's isolation from just about everyone, Ireland's historical Catholicism.

Re: Canada is actually way closer to the U.S. model than it is to the European. It would be even closer, but for the influence of Quebec.

Very true. I've seen the claim made that if you could exile Quebec from Canada and banish the American South, the two countries would be cultural twins.

As for Ross' disputation of the relatively "normalness" of French and Britain pre-1980 welfare statism vs. Reagan/Thatcher neoliberalism, I would say this:

Yes, of course, neither extreme is writ into natural law by some divine hand. Neither is _ex ante_ "normal." That's precisely why in practical terms, it's worthy to note when our society is largely outside the norms of the Brits, French, Canadians, Australians, etc. It is precisely because we are part of a larger civilizational fabric -- the West, the Atlantic World, whatever you want to call it -- that comparisons matter and are instructive and useful.

For instance, as Western nations began to outlaw unfree labor through the 19th C., Americans rightly felt ashamed of our anomalous toleration of unfree labor and moved to change it. Or as our British and French and Dutch allies faced issues of decolonisation and race in the 1950s and 1960s, so were Americans moved to examine the Jim Crow-apartheid system which had grown up in the aftermath of Reconstruction.

It's ironic that so many conservatives believe they are in some fashion defending a larger western civilization while at the same time vociferously proclaiming a kind of ahistorical American exceptionalism (America and W. Europe shared a huge amount of commonality in the 1600-1800 period, e.g.).

I really thik Cronin's arug are weak leaving aside the big diffences between jim crow and colonizaiton ect.

Remember America rivials the EU in population so it's about 40% of the "west" -if there were 50 couneis where hte us is wiht simlar polices would htat suddenly become hte mianstream?

and what about latin Ameirca?

Most imptly if a Republican adopted sarkozy's policies on immigrioan, affirmative action, civil liberties of crimial suspects and Islamic liberty would the same people say that the oppones were the "left" because the'as the left in France/ western europe?

These last 12 years have shifted my views of American political culture. I used to see it as a normal if more libertarian country. Today I see it as a grotesque amongst the First World nations. A deeply abnormal and unhealthy political culture, still unaware of its own strangeness.