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01 Aug 2007 11:34 am

Kevin Drum:

Look: Ross is a smart guy. He knows perfectly well that modern liberals have no serious connection to eugenics advocates of the past. He knows perfectly well that abortion supporters aren't motivated by eugenicist theories. He's not using the word out of a dedication to scientific precision. Rather, he and his fellow conservatives are using the word "eugenics" because they also know perfectly well that it's (quite rightly) associated with racism, pseudo-science, and Adolf Hitler. As far as they're concerned, that's a feature, not a bug.

This is highbrow Rush Limbaugh-ism, not serious argument. Back to the sandbox with it.

Sounds good. I'll go back to the sandbox with Nick Kristof. And Will Saletan. And Jurgen Habermas. And Margaret Talbot. And Johann Hari. And Michael Sandel. And the Columbia Encylopedia.

Below the fold - and I promise, this is my last post on the subject for a while - I've pasted a long excerpt from Sandel's "Case Against Perfection" essay, in which he uses the term "eugenics" in a fashion that, for Drum and others, qualifies him as a right-wing smear artist. His points are certainly debatable; whether they qualify as "highbrow Rush Limbaugh" I leave to you to judge.

The shadow of eugenics hangs over today's debates about genetic engineering and enhancement. Critics of genetic engineering argue that human cloning, enhancement, and the quest for designer children are nothing more than "privatized" or "free-market" eugenics. Defenders of enhancement reply that genetic choices freely made are not really eugenic—at least not in the pejorative sense. To remove the coercion, they argue, is to remove the very thing that makes eugenic policies repugnant.

Sorting out the lesson of eugenics is another way of wrestling with the ethics of enhancement. The Nazis gave eugenics a bad name. But what, precisely, was wrong with it? Was the old eugenics objectionable only insofar as it was coercive? Or is there something inherently wrong with the resolve to deliberately design our progeny's traits?

James Watson, the biologist who, with Francis Crick, discovered the structure of DNA, sees nothing wrong with genetic engineering and enhancement, provided they are freely chosen rather than state-imposed. And yet Watson's language contains more than a whiff of the old eugenic sensibility. "If you really are stupid, I would call that a disease," he recently told The Times of London. "The lower 10 percent who really have difficulty, even in elementary school, what's the cause of it? A lot of people would like to say, 'Well, poverty, things like that.' It probably isn't. So I'd like to get rid of that, to help the lower 10 percent." A few years ago Watson stirred controversy by saying that if a gene for homosexuality were discovered, a woman should be free to abort a fetus that carried it. When his remark provoked an uproar, he replied that he was not singling out gays but asserting a principle: women should be free to abort fetuses for any reason of genetic preference—for example, if the child would be dyslexic, or lacking musical talent, or too short to play basketball.

Watson's scenarios are clearly objectionable to those for whom all abortion is an unspeakable crime. But for those who do not subscribe to the pro-life position, these scenarios raise a hard question: If it is morally troubling to contemplate abortion to avoid a gay child or a dyslexic one, doesn't this suggest that something is wrong with acting on any eugenic preference, even when no state coercion is involved?

Consider the market in eggs and sperm. The advent of artificial insemination allows prospective parents to shop for gametes with the genetic traits they desire in their offspring. It is a less predictable way to design children than cloning or pre-implantation genetic screening, but it offers a good example of a procreative practice in which the old eugenics meets the new consumerism. A few years ago some Ivy League newspapers ran an ad seeking an egg from a woman who was at least five feet ten inches tall and athletic, had no major family medical problems, and had a combined SAT score of 1400 or above. The ad offered $50,000 for an egg from a donor with these traits. More recently a Web site was launched claiming to auction eggs from fashion models whose photos appeared on the site, at starting bids of $15,000 to $150,000.

On what grounds, if any, is the egg market morally objectionable? Since no one is forced to buy or sell, it cannot be wrong for reasons of coercion. Some might worry that hefty prices would exploit poor women by presenting them with an offer they couldn't refuse. But the designer eggs that fetch the highest prices are likely to be sought from the privileged, not the poor. If the market for premium eggs gives us moral qualms, this, too, shows that concerns about eugenics are not put to rest by freedom of choice.

A tale of two sperm banks helps explain why. The Repository for Germinal Choice, one of America's first sperm banks, was not a commercial enterprise. It was opened in 1980 by Robert Graham, a philanthropist dedicated to improving the world's "germ plasm" and counteracting the rise of "retrograde humans." His plan was to collect the sperm of Nobel Prize-winning scientists and make it available to women of high intelligence, in hopes of breeding supersmart babies. But Graham had trouble persuading Nobel laureates to donate their sperm for his bizarre scheme, and so settled for sperm from young scientists of high promise. His sperm bank closed in 1999.

In contrast, California Cryobank, one of the world's leading sperm banks, is a for-profit company with no overt eugenic mission. Cappy Rothman, M.D., a co-founder of the firm, has nothing but disdain for Graham's eugenics, although the standards Cryobank imposes on the sperm it recruits are exacting. Cryobank has offices in Cambridge, Massachusetts, between Harvard and MIT, and in Palo Alto, California, near Stanford. It advertises for donors in campus newspapers (compensation up to $900 a month), and accepts less than five percent of the men who apply. Cryobank's marketing materials play up the prestigious source of its sperm. Its catalogue provides detailed information about the physical characteristics of each donor, along with his ethnic origin and college major. For an extra fee prospective customers can buy the results of a test that assesses the donor's temperament and character type. Rothman reports that Cryobank's ideal sperm donor is six feet tall, with brown eyes, blond hair, and dimples, and has a college degree—not because the company wants to propagate those traits, but because those are the traits his customers want: "If our customers wanted high school dropouts, we would give them high school dropouts."

Not everyone objects to marketing sperm. But anyone who is troubled by the eugenic aspect of the Nobel Prize sperm bank should be equally troubled by Cryobank, consumer-driven though it be. What, after all, is the moral difference between designing children according to an explicit eugenic purpose and designing children according to the dictates of the market? Whether the aim is to improve humanity's "germ plasm" or to cater to consumer preferences, both practices are eugenic insofar as both make children into products of deliberate design.

A number of political philosophers call for a new "liberal eugenics." They argue that a moral distinction can be drawn between the old eugenic policies and genetic enhancements that do not restrict the autonomy of the child. "While old-fashioned authoritarian eugenicists sought to produce citizens out of a single centrally designed mould," writes Nicholas Agar, "the distinguishing mark of the new liberal eugenics is state neutrality." Government may not tell parents what sort of children to design, and parents may engineer in their children only those traits that improve their capacities without biasing their choice of life plans. A recent text on genetics and justice, written by the bioethicists Allen Buchanan, Dan W. Brock, Norman Daniels, and Daniel Wikler, offers a similar view. The "bad reputation of eugenics," they write, is due to practices that "might be avoidable in a future eugenic program." The problem with the old eugenics was that its burdens fell disproportionately on the weak and the poor, who were unjustly sterilized and segregated. But provided that the benefits and burdens of genetic improvement are fairly distributed, these bioethicists argue, eugenic measures are unobjectionable and may even be morally required.

The libertarian philosopher Robert Nozick proposed a "genetic supermarket" that would enable parents to order children by design without imposing a single design on the society as a whole: "This supermarket system has the great virtue that it involves no centralized decision fixing the future human type(s)."

Even the leading philosopher of American liberalism, John Rawls, in his classic A Theory of Justice (1971), offered a brief endorsement of noncoercive eugenics. Even in a society that agrees to share the benefits and burdens of the genetic lottery, it is "in the interest of each to have greater natural assets," Rawls wrote. "This enables him to pursue a preferred plan of life." The parties to the social contract "want to insure for their descendants the best genetic endowment (assuming their own to be fixed)." Eugenic policies are therefore not only permissible but required as a matter of justice. "Thus over time a society is to take steps at least to preserve the general level of natural abilities and to prevent the diffusion of serious defects."

Comments (34)

Ross,

Well I'm more or less on the Keven Drum side of this issue, though (as you often do), I think you're picking on one of your weaker critics (Kevin IMO is not one of the sharper center left bloggers out there, and some of your responses to him are telling). I'm about to catch a flight to NYC for a vacation, so I don't have time to join the debate fully.

Let me just say this: if your goal is to get liberal thinking seriously about some of the issues that you are raising, your method of doing so is less than optimal. You have to concede - you have conceded - that there are some pretty significant differences between classical Eugenics and the constellation of current practices favored by liberals. If your purpose is to persuade, rather than merely denigrate, then perhaps the choice of the very loaded (and, we agree, not ENTIRELY appropriate) term eugenics was and is unwise.

The mark of a good argument is whether it can survive without the use of buzzwords and insistence on a particular semantics: any argument that can't stand this test is sure to be based on equivocation rather than logic.

At least Sandel makes an argument based on reasoning about the thing itself. Ross has just tossed around the term and expected THAT to do all the work for him, via implication. There's a huge gulf between the two in both sincerity and rigor.

You've got Drum. He is the one who is trying to trivialize a difficult issue by appealing to the reptilian partisan brain. ("Wingnuts care about this. Therefore, it's not worth caring about.")

I'd be a bit disappointed, though, if this is your "last post on the subject for a while." It's an important subject, people's thoughts on it are still ill-formed, and you've got a good blogosphere thing going here.

Yeah, what a right-wing hack that Sandel is. Why doesn't he just get a talk radio show?

Oh for Christ's sake Ross, give it up already. Drum is right, this is highbrow Rush Limbaugh-ism. I have a very hard time believing that you're acting completely in good faith here. You're too smart for that.

On what grounds, if any, is the egg market morally objectionable?

I think the anti-Gattacagenicists could clear things up by trying to answer this question.

jenny

Please explain to me why it's a good thing to force parents into bearing severely damaged children? All this conversation has very philosophical and theoretical and angels-dancing-on-pinheads, without much actual discussion of what it's like to raise a disabled child. Even minor, curable, physical problems are unpleasant to manage. (I'm able to spend so much time on-line today because I'm home taking care of my husband who had his gall bladder removed after suffering from gallstone pancreatitis. We have insurance, jobs with generous paid leave, supportive families and friends who've taken care of our sons, and a comfortable home in the 'burbs. This is a temporary condition. It's still a bitch.) Multiply the problems of caring for someone after medium-grade surgery by a number that has to be expressed in a power of ten and you begin to get what it's like to care for mentally handicapped child.

I'd like to note also that the parents who abort Down fetuses are the ones who can afford prenatal screening, meaning people with jobs that provide health insurance. This almost certainly means educated parents. Now, I know in right-wing circles it's fashionable both to celebrate the immutability of IQ and riducule people who both have high ones and disagree with you, but isn't it safe to assume that these are the people who have the most information and understanding about what it's like to care for a disabled kid? As I've said before, if a group of people overwhelmingly picks Column A over Column B, it behooves us to study the reasons before passing judgment. If we don't like that decision, what can we do to encourage people to make another one?

As I said in other posts, I'm no hero and incapable of caring for a disabled child. I'm sure that those 90% of parents who abort after a bad amnio are like me. Had I gotten the same news those 90% did, I would have made the same decision. If, however, Down Syndrome were the same as PKU, in which the parents put the kid on a diet, or diabetes, where the sufferer takes medicine to stabilize the problem, I wouldn't even consider aborting. Seriously, address the problem, don't just insult the people who have it.

Voluntary Eugenics is still eugenics. Sponsored by a government or by individuals; still eugenics. Done for reasons of creating a master race or vanity, convenience or economics,..still eugenics.

Down syndrome children and those with cerebral palsy are being driven to extinction.

“I’m not Hitler” is hardly excuse for this appalling and inhumane rationalizations for the taking of innocent human life. There is no excuse.

Modern westerners are eugenicists.
Pure & simple.

I'm sorry -- where did any of your supposed supporters say anything about access to abortion for women should they need or desire one equaling eugenics? Right, nowhere.

Ross is assuming that progressive = support for access to abortion = support for a host of other reproduction technologies = belief in the coerced use of those technologies to improve our genetic pool = eugenics. Anyone notice a leap in logic there?

But what of the merits, then? The "Godwin's Law" objection of Drum et al. seems to be an echo of what the liberal eugenicists are saying in that excerpted piece. Namely, that "eugenics" sounds bad, but that's only because of its historical association with coercion. (You'd expect political types to be jumpier about "unfair" associations with technically true descriptions, especially now that framing has become such a big deal).

What if they're right? CAN we articulate a an independent reason why liberal eugenics would be bad? This seems an important project. If the case against liberal eugenics is founded solely on the badness of abortion and coercion, then there's a pretty good chance that some time in the not-so-distant future you're going to be caught flat-footed by technical advancements that allow those objections to be avoided.

If it's wrong for a family to freely choose the genetic makeup of their children, can we articulate how it's wrong?

At the end of the day (or more appropriately, at the beginning of this whole exchange), wasn't your point to tie todays "progressives" to "eugenics", a word that has largely negative connotations? Isn't that what Drum was objecting to? If you really want to have a debate about the morality of genetic engineering or genetic selection in humans, that could easily be done without ever mentioning the word "eugenics".

Uh, no, Sandel *isn't* using the term in the same smearing fashion that you are. Unlike Sandel, you've been arguing (rather dishonestly, I'll add)that support for abortion rights is a de facto commitment to eugenics. Saletan isn't making your argument either. Nor are Sanger, Kristol, and Saletan. I think Habermas would be especially peeved by your effort to lump him into your camp, since he explicitly rejects the equivalence you're asserting.

But here's the real problem. As Kevin Drum said, you're a smart guy. So you already know that what you've been serving up is pure codswallop. But onward you go. At the very least, I'm gratified that your ill-deserved reputation as a "sensible" conservative is finally coming under scrutiny.

You are still blatantly ignoring the only question that matters: do you honestly believe that the people who today call themselves progressive actually support the eugenic policies of the progressives of the earlier historical period? And can you provide a single link to a single quote from a single mainstream liberal figure who supports conditioning the gene pool to create a master race through selective breeding and restricting the birth of genetically "inferior" children? That's the point. Not these mindless word games about what eugenics "really means." The question is whether liberals endorse eugenics. And, as Kevin Drum points out, you know the answer is no.

>>He knows perfectly well that abortion supporters aren't motivated by eugenicist theories.

Probably worth noting that in the linked essay, Habermas says:

My perspective in this examination of the current debate over the need to regulate genetic engineering is therefore guided by the question of what it means, for our own conduct of life and for our self-understanding as moral beings, that we gain control of the genetic foundations of our existence. The well-known arguments taken from the abortion debate are, I believe, setting the wrong course. The right to an un-manipulated genetic heritage is an issue that does not raise at all the same questions as the regulation of abortion.

Once again... there must be a hidden motive! Ross is just talking in code to those boobs in fly-over-country!

I like Sandel's "giftedness" argument. What I like about it is that it puts anti-eugenics in a non-hysterical, non-slippery slope form. True, genetic "perfectionism" (though if we're talking transhumanism "perfection" becomes an unreachable, infinite ideal) refuses to acknowledge the "giftedness of life". But that can't be limited to biology. Any attempt to improve the predictability, quality, or livability of life impinges on this "giftedness". My house impinges on the giftedness of inclement weather (assuming it remains undamaged). My iPod impinges on the giftedness of radio playlists. My car impinges on the giftedness of rail schedule irregularities. The case against perfectionism ends up being a case against modern life--or for a postmodern life completely different than what we live today. There's no slippery slope to fascism--the Nazis become completely orthogonal to the issue, because no one claims that the problem with Nazis was a failure to acknowledge giftedness. As Sandel notes,

Some see a clear line between genetic enhancement and other ways that people seek improvement in their children and themselves. Genetic manipulation seems somehow worse—more intrusive, more sinister—than other ways of enhancing performance and seeking success. But morally speaking, the difference is less significant than it seems. Bioengineering gives us reason to question the low-tech, high-pressure child-rearing practices we commonly accept. The hyperparenting familiar in our time represents an anxious excess of mastery and dominion that misses the sense of life as a gift. This draws it disturbingly close to eugenics.
Eugenics would not be the start of a slippery slope, but the end of one. And it's only bad in a vague, sentimental sort of way.

I think it would be possible, though, to build a culture that appreciates the giftedness of memes rather than of genes.

In summary, liberals are saying:

"Eugenics" is _our_ smear word for demonizing conservatives, and nobody else should ever get to use it to make _us_ feel uncomfortable.

Eugenics is based on the assumption that most pernicious human differences are both bioligical in origin and therefore immutable. Is it really true that liberals are more likely to hold this belief than conservatives?

There's a vast difference between what liberals say in public about things like heredity, IQ, and race and how they behave in private.

For example, when feminist heroine Jody Foster decided to have a baby, she spent months searching for the perfect sperm donor, who turned out to have a 160 IQ.

Similarly, white liberals somehow forget their enthusiasm for diversity when it comes to finding a school for their children or buying a home.

Funny how that works ...

both biological in origin and therefore immutable

One of these things is not like the other.

If it is morally troubling to contemplate abortion to avoid a gay child or a dyslexic one, doesn't this suggest that something is wrong with acting on any eugenic preference, even when no state coercion is involved?

I think many people are worried that acting on these types of eugenic preferences implies that the gays or dyslexics who are already here should never have come into existence. That that kind of trait is worth taking drastic action against quasi-persons to prevent from coming into the world.

Of course, if you don't think that abortion is at all troubling, that fetuses just are not in anyway persons, then this doesn't much matter. A trait is not a person, and doesn't necessarily have a right to exist, even if it is perfectly harmless one, like being gay.

But if you do think that abortion is a somewhat troubling, undesireable thing to do, then having an abortion to avoid a gay or dyslexic child is troubling because doing something drastic and morally troubling to eliminate a gay or dyslexic potential person devalues gay or dyslexic people who are already here by saying that doing something drastic to keep someone with that trait is OK so long as they aren't too far along the development continuum. The line of thought goes something like this: Dammit your a person now, so we obviously can't do anything to hurt you, but if only we had caught you earlier we could have flushed you down the toilet.

So, to sum up, I don't think Ross is really addressing people who believe that there is nothing troubling about abortion. He seems to be trying to point out, perhaps none too clearly, the inconsistency of self styled abortion moderates.

He seems to be trying to point out, perhaps none too clearly, the inconsistency of self styled abortion moderates.

And he quotes a lot of them who seem to be troubled by the implications of their own position.

I take it that the case against making the "new eugenics" to be the roughly the same (morally speaking) as the old eugenics is the lack of state coercion involved. That's an important distinction to be sure, but it does seem to me to take the idea of individual choice unproblematically, especially given how suspicious liberals/progressives are of it in other contexts. It seems quite reasonable to think that a society in which the wealthy and well-born make certain kinds of choices, they will help construct a norm regarding a certain ideal of human "perfection" (or something like that) that will then in fact (if not in law per se) put significant social pressure on the rest to follow suit. Maybe that's fine by folks, I don't think you get away from worrying about the "new eugenics" simply by waving the "individual choice" placard and moving on.

It seems quite reasonable to think that a society in which the wealthy and well-born make certain kinds of choices, they will help construct a norm regarding a certain ideal of human "perfection" (or something like that) that will then in fact (if not in law per se) put significant social pressure on the rest to follow suit.

That is indeed reasonable, but it's a future hypothetical problem rather than a present-day one.

It is clearly the case that "eugenics" is a negative morally loaded term in this day and age. For it to be fair to taint a given group with it, then, that group's politics must partake of some of the particular sorts of moral badness that the term connotes.

Now, there are three different sources of possible moral danger with eugenics. One (abortion) of them is something contemporary progressives are committed to denying is morally bad; and another (state coercion of reproductive options) is something they are strenuously opposed to.

Only the last is something that is a really challenging moral issue here, namely, the ethical consequences of putting the genetic make-up of our children under more and more direct control of parents' choices.
However, on this last issue, they have much better resources for addressing than conservatives do. What we have is a case where the unfettered free market may deliver outcomes that are morally problematic -- but it is progressives, not conservatives, who have the theoretical & political resources to address such situations. Conservatives, after all, are much more likely either to deny that possibility even as coherent; or to deny that the state can legitimately do anything about such situations. I know that Ross is not exactly such a conservative, but this represents one way in which he is swimming upstream against his own faction's currents.

In short, then, there is nothing in the "eugenics" label that can fairly be applied back to progressives, other than as a code for abortion itself.

philosopher,

There is nothing coherent about privileging an absolute reproductive autonomy and being opposed to market forces. And you seem to have confused "conservatives" with anarcho-capitalists or something.

Huh?

OK, let me spell it out.

You say that "conservatives" are likely to deny that the possibility of market failure is incoherent. Not even just factually impossible -- actually logically impossible. I'm not sure even anarcho-capitalists are committed to that. Surely, no conservative is.

On the other hand, there is a strand on the pro-choice left that holds that no one could ever second guess an abortion decision -- not only legally, but even morally. Who are you to say? Whose body is it? There is a powerful pull to this rhetoric.

But if it is taken seriously, then there is no basis for trying to prevent market forces in sex or reproduction.

Any attempt to improve the predictability, quality, or livability of life impinges on this "giftedness". My house impinges on the giftedness of inclement weather (assuming it remains undamaged). My iPod impinges on the giftedness of radio playlists. My car impinges on the giftedness of rail schedule irregularities. The case against perfectionism ends up being a case against modern life--or for a postmodern life completely different than what we live today.

People are different from inclement weather, radio playlists, and rail schedule irregularities. Surely you can see that there is a moral distinction to be made between building a better machine and building a better human being?

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