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Rove and the Base

13 Aug 2007 01:26 pm

John Dickerson:

In retirement, Rove will have a willing audience among his party's faithful. Though the president has lost his shine among some die-hard conservatives, Rove largely hasn't—despite being the architect of the push for comprehensive immigration reform. Even after the 2006 losses, conservatives were saying it wasn't Rove's fault, but the fault of a corrupt, confused GOP congressional leadership. Conservatives also need Rove to survive as a guru. While Republicans are momentarily depressed, it doesn't come from a fundamental conundrum about their party's core beliefs. Many just think that circumstances, a poorly managed war, and a distracted president harmed the execution of GOP policy.

I don't know about this. Inside the beltway, an awul lot of conservatives are sour on Rove (as Josh's essay bears ample witness), with the purists viewing him as having sold small-government principle down the river and the pragmatists holding him at least partially responsible for the '06 defeat. As for the broader "movement," my sense is that the feeling toward the Architect runs from mild affection to irritation (see Michelle Malkin's reaction to his resignation) to indifference (see Ed Morrisey's rejoinder to Malkin's post), with none of these sentiments burning terribly bright. It's worth remembering that pro-Bush conservatives have traditionally tended to downplay Rove's role in the administration and scoff at the whole "Bush's brain" theory (see, for instance, K-Lo's instant reaction this morning); this means, in turn, that Rove's reputation as a world-historical figure has always been more inflated on the left than on the right.

Comments (7)

Karl Rove turned out to have one of the best political minds of our time. He taught Pres. Bush the art of politics through winning against Ann Richards in Texas and then went on to guide him in defeating John McCain and Al Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. He not only was a master of realpolitik but a quite decent person who withstood savage political onslaughts against him with humour and grace.

The left, of course, having been often creamed by him tends to become apoplectic upon hearing his name. Reading the WSJ column by Paul Gigot today, one is struck by Rove's prediction that the Democrats "are likely to nominate a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Holding the White House for a third term is always difficult given the pent-up desire for change... but 'I think we've got a very good chance to do so.' " This sounds hard nosed and about right.

When the political passions of our day calm down Rove will be regarded as a brilliant political mind who helped realign American politics from the vacuous and effete liberalism of the left to the more grounded conservatism of most sensible Americans whom Pres. Bush has represented well, though not without flaws.

When Karl Rove said that Democrats wanted to offer terrorists "therapy" after 9/11 he cemented his actual legacy. He's one of the most dishonest, filthy scumbags who ever took part in American politics. If he does end up in prison eventually it will be richly deserved.

Under Rove's direction Bush ran as "a uniter, not a divider." The succeeding years have shown that to be a thorough lie.

I am not sure I agree with Ross about the right and Rove. Clearly A LOT of effort has gone into protecting him by movement conservatives-- you won't find a single one, for instance, who will admit that he shouldn't have been playing fast and loose with Valerie Plame's identity (and no, the fact the Richard Armitage leaked first didn't give Rove carte blance to leak as well).

This might have, of course, simply been a matter of the fact that Rove had a lot of power and the President's ear and nobody wanted to get on his bad side. But I get the feeling that the movement conservative types tend to like being told that they are on the right side of history, and Rove constantly buttered them up with that.

Movement conservatives still like to insist that the Nixon White House wasn't a cesspool of corruption. I'm constantly told by these nitwits that the Clinton administration was "much" more corrupt than Nixon's - which is sort of like saying that Lindsay Lohan is a more dangerous criminal than Al Capone ever was.

Movement conservatives live in a parallel universe where 2 + 2 equals 5, and they're happy there.

There is a fundamental distinction between die-hard Republican partisans, who seem fine with Rove, and movement conservatives, who believe, correctly, that Rove sold them out and weakened the conservative movement. Most movement conservatives are pretty down on Rove.

Oh, and Ross: please don't link to pay-only articles, even if they are published by your paymasters at the Atlantic. It's annoying, and most people don't read them.

Cheerful writes: "There is a fundamental distinction between die-hard Republican partisans, who seem fine with Rove, and movement conservatives, who believe, correctly, that Rove sold them out and weakened the conservative movement. Most movement conservatives are pretty down on Rove."

By "movement conservatives" I'm referring to the people who will make Karl Rove a very rich man over the next decade - the SuperChristians and Cheneyites who still support the letter and text of the Bush agenda.

I'm not referring to the ever-dwindling Buckley wing of conservatism. It's nearly extinct. The base is now the 25%, and they will defend Bush and Rove still, and if Cheney decided to run in 2008 he would immediately become their #1 choice. Giuliani and Romney would be tossed aside like used toothpicks in that event.

Yeah, I think Cheerful misses the extent to which movement conservativism has become a partisan endeavor.

If you look at National Review, for instance, which is clearly an organ of movement conservativism, it is true that they will sometimes criticize Bush, always from the right (e.g., immigration). But on scandals, they are as reliably partisan as they come. And a lot of that scandal-defense had to do with protecting Rove, e.g., Plame, US Attorney firing, executive privilege, etc.

The fact is, while movement conservativism has its ideas, when it comes to the defense of Republicans in power, all of that tends to get thrown out. You can only find a few movement conservatives, like Bruce Fein, for instance, who will criticize any of the Bush Administration's civil liberties abuses. And that's despite the fact that the powers accumulated by Bush could clearly be used against, say, gun owners or abortion protesters in a more liberal administration.