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The Beauchamp Affair

07 Aug 2007 12:44 am

Of my conversation with Jon Chait this morning - in which I argued that TNR probably shouldn't have run the Scott Thomas Beauchamp pieces, but also contended that the right-wing blogosphere's reaction has often run well over-the-top - Ace of Spades writes:

Okay, Ross.You keep earning your reasonable stripes by basically kissing your liberal pals' asses while meanwhile saying nothing at all -- except to the extent you just agree with what your betters have figured out before you did.

On the other hand, it gets rather good here. Here Douthat notes what was pointed out to him by the "ludicrous" "Michelle Malkin slash Ace of Spades front" -- namely, that Beauchamp seems to have most likely lied, and not made an "error," in claiming the Burned Woman mockery occurred in Iraq rather than Kuwait -- and Jonathan Chait admits that it does seem reasonable to conclude Beauchamp did not make an "error" but rather deliberately lied.

Remember, though, Douthat, who did nothing on this story, is superior to any of us rightwing crazies simply by parroting what we have written.

Just to clarify what I had in mind when I used the word "ludicrous," here's a snippet from one of Ace's earlier posts:

It seems that "Scott Thomas" got himself a nice little gig at TNR -- a possible stepping stone to bigger and better things, like a literary agent and first-time-novelist's advance of $100,000 -- but he had one problem: He had nothing actually interesting to report. The routine relocation of bodies from a cemetery to a new resting place wasn't going to get him that advance, after all. So, as any budding writer would do, he used the power of imagination to make it all seem much more interesting than it actually was.

And TNR fell for it, of course. They wanted the prestige of having an actual reporter on the ground in Baghdad, and of course they wanted the stories coming from that correspondent to be as horrific and morale-killing as possible. They wanted to believe, and so they did.

In a similar vein, here's Dean Barnett:

TNR employed as its Baghdad correspondent a guy who was there specifically to mock the war effort while he hopefully advanced his own career as a writer by doing so. Beauchamp’s champions (not that I’m aware of any) have the potential defense that he was a young man who didn’t know any better. TNR’s editors do not. They gravitated to Scott Thomas Beauchamp because he would have the “moral authority” necessary to slander the troops with impunity, a moral authority that Franklin Foer and company of course lack.

One other note: Scott Thomas Beauchamp’s life will be a smoldering ruin when this affair has run its course. His partners in crime at The New Republic will still have jobs and careers. Will they see Scott Beauchamp in their nightmares? And will they see the 160,000 honorable and noble troops that together they conspired to malign?

Like I said, this is ludicrous stuff. I love the vision of TNR's editors sitting around congratulating themselves on having found someone with the "moral authority" to smear the troops, and plotting how they would use his "horrific" dispatches to destroy morale on the homefront. Eventually, no doubt, they settled on a 1,000-word Diarist published on the back page of the magazine (prime real estate for morale-killing reportage) as the ideal method of stabbing 160,000 American troops in the back. Then they all burned General Petraeus in effigy and went out for martinis.

Here, for what it's worth, is an excerpt from TNR's last editorial on the state of play in Iraq:

The situation in Iraq does look marginally less grim than it did before General Petraeus took charge. When flunkies of Moqtada Al Sadr left the Iraqi government to protest the U.S. occupation, Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki, who was installed with Sadr's support, stood his ground and survived. The surge has reduced death squad executions (if not spectacular car bombings). The government has made some progress toward a crucial agreement to distribute national oil revenue.

Moreover, the conduct of the war is now no longer in the hands of ideologues and incompetents. Following a string of bungling commanders in Iraq, Petraeus, the Army's leading counterinsurgency expert who brought security to Mosul, is in charge. The new U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, is one of the country's most experienced Middle East diplomats (and one who predicted sectarian chaos before the war began). Gates has so far been more than just a Cheney apparatchik, as evidenced by his off-message comments about the useful pressure provided by Democrats. And Condoleezza Rice's planned return to the Middle East next month to meet with representatives from Iraq's neighbors suggests a promising degree of administration engagement. The flurry of military and diplomatic activity that accompanies the surge is cause for--well, perhaps not optimism per se, but at least something more than utter hopelessness.

The prospects of a passable political solution are remote but real, and the consequences of withdrawing without one are dire. One last try, therefore, seems worthwhile.

To be clear, since people on the right seem a little murky on this point: TNR was a fervently pro-war magazine during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, and for a long time after. Their current position about the wisdom of the original invasion is more ambiguous, but they remain a hawkish publication, as anyone to their left will be happy to tell you, and their qualified endorsement of the surge is of a piece with their coverage of Iran, Israel-Palestine, Darfur, and so forth. The widespread claim that they deliberately selected Beauchamp as their "man in Baghdad" in the hopes that his "horrific dispatches" would help bring the Iraq War to a speedy end is - I'll say it again - ludicrous. And I stand by my contention that this conspiracy theorizing reflects a desire, evident among far too many right-wingers, to focus more attention on the minor sins of liberal journalists than the major failures of this Administration.

Equally ludicrous is the amount of attention - thousands upon thousands of words of speculation and vituperation - paid by right-wing blogs to a story that, while interesting and worth investigating, tells us nothing all that significant about the media except the obvious truth that magazines often run ill-chosen, under-vetted pieces, particularly in the less-frequented pages of an issue, particularly when the author of the piece has a personal connection to someone on staff, and particularly when the subject matter is largely "on author" and therefore difficult to fact-check. (I tried to make this point in the diavlog with Chait, but I'll make it again: a lot of people in the blogosphere seem to think that magazines have infinite time and resources with which to fact-check their pieces, when in fact there wouldn't be any political magazines if they all lavished the kind of care on fact-checking that the Atlantic and New Yorker can lavish on a story.) TNR certainly deserved to be called out, by Mike Goldfarb and others, for running a piece that seemed fishy, and nothing that's followed has altered my sense that Beauchamp's tales seemed at least touched by exaggeration. On the other hand, nothing that I've seen has convinced me that he's a Stephen Glass-style fabulist, either, and I don't think that Beauchamp's recantation to his superiors settles anything one way or another; given the threat of court-martial involved in standing by his stories, he seems at least as likely to be lying to his superiors as to be lying to TNR.

More importantly, as Megan - who's written the most sensible stuff on this that I've seen, and who predicted the recantation - put it when this whole business started: "This wasn't some sort of elite conspiracy, and it's silly to imply that it was. At worst, it was an editorial mistake; which is not exactly something it's impossible to imagine many of the more vocal critics making."

This concludes the "kissing my liberal pals' asses" portion of today's blogging.

Update: Just to clarify, I didn't mean that it's ludicrous that Scott Thomas dreamed of $100,000 book advances (though to judge by what I've read of his prose, Anthony Swofford doesn't have anything worry about); I just included that line as context for the (again, ludicrous) allegations that TNR handpicked him as part of their ongoing conspiracy to kill morale by slandering the troops.

Update II: And Michelle Malkin is right.

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When Jon Chait gargles, he spits up Cheney.

Ross WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?????

TNR's fervently pro-war position must be why it's still standing behind the story, except for that one minor spelling mistake. (Beauchamp spelled "Kuwait" with an "Ir" and an "aq.")

And if you're going to complain about too many words being expended on something you personally don't find important... welcome to the wonderful world of blogs.

There's no market for first novels these days, but there's a big market for memoirs, so a variety of autobiographical fiction manuscripts have been relabeled as autobiographies: most notoriously, "A Million Little Pieces," but also, perhaps more relevantly, "Jarhead," a first Gulf War novel that got sold to the public as autobiography and made into a based-on-a-true-story movie, even though it contains a lot of old Marine lore passed off as actually happening to the narrator.

Equally ludicrous is the amount of attention - thousands upon thousands of words of speculation and vituperation - paid by right-wing blogs to a story that

of course it isn't ludicrous. many americans supported the iraq invasion because of war fever (including myself). a substantial portion refuse to admit the deficits of their choices and the importance of emotion in their decision making process. if we're still in iraq in 2011 fighting an insurgency glenn reynold's & co. will still be complaining about how the media isn't reporting how we're winning the war. this is the forever war my friend.

and ross, you should have learned that it sucks being a political pundit that won't pander to the irrationalities of the left or the right.

Indeed, it's all so ludicrous. Here's what TNR bought when they bought Scott Beauchamp:

"Shit, I don't know...put a 556 in his head"

On the street below the mans brown face dissolves into a thick red mist. The lights in the cities houses shut off in unison. Elecricity rationing. Water rationing too. You ever tried to survive for more than a few hours in hundred and twenty degree weather without water? In the streets the kids bodies start convulsing in semi-orgasmic rhythms. Their pants fill up with shit and piss and the smart ones sneak out to the fields to hidden caches of water jugs and trinkets of candy from the american soldiers.

"See that sarge, kids digging or something?"

"Well, better safe then sorry. Cap his ass Leclaire."

"You sure sarge?"

"Well, im either right or wrong. And if I'm wrong im still right because i could have been right even though i was wrong."

They watch the sliver of red sun fall slower and slower, silhouetting the little barbarians falling bodies. The Chaplain turns and walks back towards the FOB in contemplation. Gotta rack out early tonight. Handing out bibles in the marketplace tomorrow, early. Unintelligible rap blares out of the open doors of the HUMVEE.

...

Quote ends.

This "story," like the Melted Woman story, "happened" BEFORE HE SET FOOT IN IRAQ.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/234958.php

I'd sort of say TNR had a reasonable expectation of what sort of diarist it would be getting, wouldn't you? Arch-liberal, Bush-hating, progressive-magazine-running perennial army f-up (buck private after two years in!), writing this sort of melodramatic twaddle.

He knew his story would be that he became a monster in Iraq. He'd already decided he would be. But Iraq didn't quite help out and so he had to do some of this monster-makeover on his own. Like cruelly mocking a disfigured woman due to, as you seem to think is reasonable, the "bonding" that happens in basic training.

As for his craving coming home a novelist-- HE SAYS SO ON HIS BLOG, moron. For someone who think that too many words have been spilled on this fiasco, you sure seem to have missed some of the more important ones.

Oh, and since you casually dismiss the moving of the Melted Woman morality play from Iraq to Kuwait -- just sort of the temptation that any memoirist faces, sort of like David Sedaris sweetening his stories of his childhood -- I did this for you:

http://minx.cc/?post=236219

Equally ludicrous is the amount of attention - thousands upon thousands of words of speculation and vituperation - paid by right-wing blogs to "a story" - quotes me

Were you awake during any of the lefty fatwas on the Washington Post for really silly reasons? Anyways, I agree with Treacher and marvel on the many pixels wasted here today - since all the 3 TNR stories the Private admitted he'd StephenGlassed after all.

But your point about TNR being pro-war in the past is well-taken, of course.

Obviously no one who was loudly pro-war before 2005 could possibly be trying to make up for lost time now.

I mean, look at your co-blogger Andrew Sullivan. Why, he's as constant as the North Star on this point, isn't he? As passionately pro-war as ever. And certainly pro-troops, for god's sake! Why he only accuses them of torture, rape, and murder three or four times a week!

Ross, if Foer wasn't interested in getting a certain kind of war "story" back from Iraq, isn't it awfully unlucky for him he chose a guy who was already writing just that sort of story before he was out of friggin' Germany?

You're also casually dismissive of TNR's godawful fact-checking. I addressed this numerous times-- and, by the way, I wrote on my blog long ago that small magazines often did NOT do this fact-checking.

However, I also wrote that there is a special obligation on TNR's part to do such checking, given its history, and also that if someone is CLAIMING to fact-check they should, you know, fact-check. If they're NOT fact-checking -- if they don't have the time or resources -- very well, but then do not lie about having done "rigorous editing and fact-checking" before publication.

You concede TNR did not do this. And yet Franklin Foer and Jonathan Chait claim they did. When asked what sort of fact checking, they say they passed the story around to reporters to see if the pieces "smelled good" or "seemed plausible."

And that's what they call fact-checking -- at least when cornered on the matter.

If you want to say small magazines are disobligated from fact-checking due to their limited staffs, fine. But those same magazines cannot then haughtily sniff they've "rigorously edited and fact-checked" these stories before publication.

TNR didn't. they lied. Chait lied, Foer lied. And you're being a good, reasonable conservative buddy -- not like us crazies -- by protecting them in that lie.

Ace writes: "As for his craving coming home a novelist-- HE SAYS SO ON HIS BLOG, moron. For someone who think that too many words have been spilled on this fiasco, you sure seem to have missed some of the more important ones."

I'd wonder if Ace is familiar with the numerous WWI poets, but I think that would be like asking if Dick Cheney likes any of Kurt Vonnegut's books.

For anyone who thinks too much blood has been spilled in the Iraq fiasco, Ace disagrees with you. He wants a whole lot more, and he's not particular about which side it comes from. After all, they volunteered or they're Iraqis. Either way, no skin off his nose.

By the way, Ace was born in 1972 and I'm sure there are oodles of good reasons why he hasn't volunteered to serve on the ground in the all-important War On Terror, starting with his all-important efforts in convincing others to go in his place.

Or perhaps he's a more modern sort of doughboy. I really can't say. He won't, either. He'll just sputter and moan.

First of all, I wasn't born in 1972. All the information on every online profile is false. If you bother checking, as you seem to like doing, you'll also find a lot of sign-ins where I claim to be female.

Salary? Varies. Sometimes it's 60,000. Sometimes I go hog-wild and say $250000+. Why not splurge?

Second of all, My Chickenhawk friend, I imagine my reasons for not signing up to fight in Iraq are very similar for YOUR reasons for not enlisting to fight in Afghanistan.

Or wait-- are you yet another one of those liberals who wants to fight "the real war" in Afghanistan but is currently drawing Bush Derangement Deferments? I.e., you would just LOVE to finally smoke Osama bin Ladin out of his caves personally -- why, people must strain to hold you back from taking up a gun and going on over there as an Army of One! -- but you cannot, in good conscience, fight under a president you didn't vote for?

How terribly convenient for you then, Liberal Super-Patriot Chickenhawk.

And what if I didn't vote for Bush either, I wonder?

Ross Douthat looks reasonably young and able-bodied to me.

Maybe you should ask him why he isn't toting a gun.

Franklin Foer and Jonathan Chait, too. Seem to be smart guys. I'm sure the army could use a few smarties leading our troops during Obama's Great Overmountain Invasion of Pakistan.

And how old are you, dear sir? Let me guess -- darnit, you're just outside the age range for enlisting. And you were also too old in 2001-2002, presumably.

Yes, Ace, I was too old to enlist during those years. And yes, I do ask the question of all of the actual chickenhawks. Most of them seem to be your pals.

Instead of asking questions why not answer some? How old are you? Who did you vote for? How excited would you be if we bombed Mecca during the Hajj? Do you have Bo Gritz's private phone number? Do you think w should have a "shoot first and ask questions later" policy at the Mexican border?

Come on, Ace. Don't be a deuce.

It's a pretty simple question, Ace: are you of legal age to be serving in Iraq? If so, why aren't you over there, considering how important you think the fight is?

Ross,

Had you see this before you wrote the post?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/08/beauchamp_recants.asp

"....and I don't think that Beauchamp's recantation to his superiors settles anything one way or another; given the threat of court-martial involved in standing by his stories, he seems at least as likely to be lying to his superiors as to be lying to TNR."

Wothty of that other poof that blogs here. I guess we can just abandon our judicial system since "confessions" are almost never credible. What a jackass is Ross!

Hey, I'm not going to jump all over TNR about their politics, because they are a magazine, after all.

I just love how often "journalists" get it wrong.

How many of you, whether left or right, has caught a "journalist" in a mistake? The few times I had specific knowledge about an issue, I saw the reporter get it wrong. A few simple sentences, and they can't get through it without making a mistake.

Maybe because they're generalists? They go to J school where they learn how to tell a story, not how to know what the f they're talking about.


People of every political persuasion shoul be thankful for the new media, and a chance to have a voice themselves.

Think about it:

Every time a journalist writes a story, there's someone somewhere who will take issue with it, and start to dig.

We're going to keep you idiots honest, and you'll just have to suck it up.

I'm going to say something nice now, if only to go against the tide here. I think Mr. Douthat is a good man. He is one of the few people that can talk about conservative opinions in a manner that is comprehensible to me. This is in no small part because he has devoted considerable effort to understanding the point of view of people on the Left. Every now and then, when I've gotten to the point where I'm convinced that all the conservatives in the world have gone insane, I will trip across something he has written and it will remind me that there is at least some order and logic that guides the thinking of the red half of this country. While right wing reactionaries lock themselves ever more tightly into ideological enclaves free of the challenge of real discourse, Mr. Douthat is actually engaging in a dialog with interlocutors who do not share all of his opinions. If more people on both sides were less hostile to these kinds of conversations, our country would be a little better off.

TNR = BUSTED!

It seems to me that the complaint about tone or amount of attention paid to Beauchamp's pieces has the whiff of a sniffling, down-the-nose conceit. Sure, some people get worked up about things you think are unimportant. Gosh, shocking. Some folks think silly juvenile films aren't exactly all that revealing of much of anything (except that the filmmakers never quite left junior high).

Regardless, what seems important about this story is that it shows quite powerfully how our conceptual frameworks blind us to the most elementary contradictions - and that it is even true for the usually pretty smart folks at places like TNR. They ran Beauchamp's stories because they seemed quite plausible to the editors (as did, of course, Stephen Glass's), and that tells us something about the editors - namely, that in their pre-reflective conceits, they have a particular view of military life and war, a view that admits to little of the patriotism, valor, discipline, and honor that many others (perhaps especially in flyover country) associate with it. Perhaps we should ask this: has TNR run a diarist or article that explores a soldier's life in the way that say a Michael Yon has done? Have they run any pieces on the Medal of Honor winners? If one read TNR for the past few years, would you get a sense that the military forces in Iraq are filled with heroes who do nearly unimaginable things every day (as well as more than a few knaves, of course)? If not, why not? Hell, if Judd Apatow can tell us about a generation of Americans, why can't a diarist tell us about a magazine?

Does everybody realize how relatively small The New Republic's subscription base really is? Does everybody realize that most Americans wouldn't know The New Republic was an opinion journal...or know that it was a magazine at all? Does everybody realize that likely 99% of Americans are not aware of the Beauchamp story? Does everybody realize that when Beauchamp's stuff was published, the blogosphere - both sides - barely even noticed...if they noticed at all? (I'm both a TNR subscriber and avid blog reader and I didn't even notice)

Seriously, the amount of time and energy people - mostly on the right - are spending on this non-story is absurd. Beauchamp lied or he didn't. If you think this is some huge "gotcha" exposing the hypocrisy of all liberals, the media and Iraq war critics, you're delusional. The only people who really need to be concerned about the validity of Beauchamp's stories are Beauchamp himself and the editors of TNR...and for purely editorial and reputational reasons, not poltical or ideological.

You discovered some discrepancies and it looks like some, maybe even all, of your doubts have been confirmed. Hurray for y'all! But man, give it a rest.

PS - I've read a lot of war stories and when I read Beauchamp's stuff after this whole thing blew up, I thought to myself, "People are getting worked up over this?" Fiction or not, it's not like what he wrote was unbelievable or overly horrible - bad things happen during wars, all wars. And while there are plenty of honorable people serving in our military, there are also plenty of assholes. I also didn't read it and say, "Man, that makes me hate this war even more." If this was indeed some grand scheme cooked up by the TNR editors and Beauchamp and if its intent was to further sway public opinion against the war, it was a miserable failure because a) nobody read it and b) even if they did, it just wasn't that shocking.

"Does everybody realize how relatively small The New Republic's subscription base really is?"

Is it smaller than Talon News?

This was my problem with this story from the beginning: TNR is not exactly an ideological enemy of the right, at least on foreign policy issues. Go over to The Plank from last week and you'll find James Kirchick defending the US-backed Ethiopian invasion of Somalia and Jon Chait conceding that Pollack and O'Hanlon might be onto something with their op-ed from last week. What's more, when people talk about how TNR "pulled another Stephen Glass," this doesn't really prove any ideological bias. Glass got caught making up a story about a computer hacker, and I don't think many of his articles really dealt with partisan politics, though I could be wrong. Finally, his editor for most of his stories was the late Michael Kelly, who was definitely a friend of the right on Iraq.

This is really just a case of journalistic sloppiness. I don't think its such a big deal that Beauchamp got published because his wife was on staff, though it is a little suspicious. Maybe this relationship was why they didn't exactly do a rigorous fact-checking of the story That's the biggest mistake they made. Talking to reporters to make sure it "smells good" and making sure a woman could be at an FOB is not exactly rigorous fact checking. I did a google search for "Scott Beauchamp" and came back with his blog in about 30 seconds. The writing on that blog alone would have given me pleny of material to start worrying about his column. There is no question, TNR was extremely sloppy on this case. I don't know why - they've probably mostly given up on the war by now, but their fervent support for it in the first place causes me to doubt that they are so ideologically bent on ending the war that they'd see slandering the troops as the way to go about it. The best I can do to explain it is that there was just editorial sloppiness all around.

Maybe it has something to do with TNR naming 30 year olds to the editor position, based on limited experience as anything other than a writer. It's true magazines like American Prospect, The Nation and American Spectator have editors who are a fair bit older, but Rich Lowry apparently became editor of National Review at 30 or so and is still going 10 years later, so I don't know.

OGLiberal,

I think (though I'm not sure) that TNR has around the same number of subscribers as Weekly Standard - and both magazines have shown in the past that you don't need to have huge circulation to be politically influential. I think TNR used to pride itself as being the in-flight magazine of Air Force One (under Clinton, obviously).

I should also add, when you had hysteric knee jer reactions from people on the left like Matt Yglesias and Andrew Sullivan that of course the article was true, because US soldiers have done bad things in the past and because they found a children's grave (which they took as proof that soldiers wore the skulls as helmets). You had your fair share of hysterics on the left on this story as well - important to remember.

This little exchange speaks volumes, doesn't it? Ross is discussing events on planet earth with a sense of perspective. Ace is doing his best Travis Bickle impression.

If Beauchamp was lying, then TNR needs to issue a retraction. But this whole incident had very little to do with concern for the truth on either side. This is about people like Ace who regurgitate lies on a daily basis and then viciously smear anyone and everyone outside of their little delusional faux-patriotic cult.

The long knives are out for conservatives who love their country more than they love killing Muslims. I wish you the best of luck, Ross.

Treacher - The problem with Gannon/Guckert was not so much who he worked for but that he had a White House press pass and served as Bush's safety valve, tossing up meatballs whenever Bush got in trouble and needed an easy pitch to hit out of the park.

Dan - Pointing out that it certainly could be true that a US soldier may have worn a portion of a child's skull found in a graveyard on his head/helmet is hardly hysterical. I will agree, though, that simply because it could have happened doesn't necessarily mean that it did happen.

Treacher - nice!

Megan McArdle said,

At worst, it was an editorial mistake; which is not exactly something it's impossible to imagine many of the more vocal critics making.

First of all, it wasn't just a "mistake" - there was plenty of reason to be skeptical of Beauchamp's stories on their face, but Foer et al. put in minimal efforts to verify them before putting them into print. Second, part of what is so irritating is their insistence, on being challenged, that the stories were accurate, and that they had been rigorously checked, when in fact they hadn't been. This was an outright lie. Ross & McArdle might have a point if the TNR folks had immediately come forward and said, "sorry, we didn't have the resources to check into this thoroughly and it turns out we can't verify any of the stories". But that's not what they did. It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

The larger reason why wingers get so outraged is that the Beauchamp scenario merely highlights a larger and much deeper problem - the vast majority of our media & political elites disdain the military. They look down their noses at the military, they are all too willing to believe, publish, and over-hype wrongdoing by American troops, they don't counterbalance any of the negative coverage with any significant coverage of courage & heroism of American troops or the vicious and barbaric behavior of Al Qaeda (think about how morally warped it is to assume that blowing up a truck bomb in a market is a reasonable response to an occupation by a foreign power - imagine if America were occupied by the Chinese, and the underground guerilla response was to blow up a truck bomb at the Mall of America), and they don't expend any energy trying to gain a realistic perspective of what is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan.

TNR was a fervently pro-war magazine during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, and for a long time after.

So was the WSJ editorial page. How much support do you think there is for the war amongst the rest of the WSJ staff?

So Talon News is bigger than TNR.

So has there actually been a recantation? Your link just goes to a Weekly Standard article (and the WS isn't a credible source, but then, these days, no one is-- I mean, if 5 supreme court justices would swear to something, I'd still leave open the possibility they're wrong), and that article just says that according to their source, he's recanted.

Maybe he has-- as you said, court martial threats do tend to concentrate you -- but a recantation has to be public or it's not really recanting.

Anyway, why is his account so much more amazing than the sworn testimony that a bunch of Marines killed a whole family after one of them raped the daughter? Just funny how the rightwingers are so eager to discredit the one and shrug at the other.

It is amazing that the same group of people who have gone around for what, 5 or 6 years now, constantly chanting "Bush Lied", when faced with a real liar just cannot bring themselves to use the word. Scott isn't the first, he certainly won't be the last, but thank goodness that with the advent of blogs they will not find it as easy as John Kerry did to smear an entire generation of warriors.

Ross:

"On the other hand, nothing that I've seen has convinced me that he's a Stephen Glass-style fabulist, either..."

I've got to disagree with you here. If the Disfigured Woman story is made up, then Beauchamp is indeed an egregious fabulist. On the other hand, if it's true (except, of course, that it happened in Kuwait before he was anywhere near the war zone) then he's a sociopathic monster, and nothing he says can be trusted, because it has to be assumed that as a sociopath, he'll say anything to advance his career or his ideological agenda (both of which we know, since he said so in his diary, that he joined the military to advance).

Okay, I am old enough to go - am and did. Here is my problem with TNR and Beauchamp.

1) Either TNR is wildly incomptent - unable to understand the philosophical leanings of a contributor or they are keenly aware of the timbre of all their work.

The latter is far more likely, as a collection of incompetents would hardly be able to hold such a sophisticated operation like their magazine together.

2) In the matter of their awareness of the veracity of Beauchamp's stories, I subscribe to the SME effect. Since Beauchamp was the subject matter expert, (who conformed to TNR's editorial model) no one bothered to check him out. Once the words were out - then ANYONE could start checking the story

Thus the reveal is that TNR, in an apparent attempt to further their editorial posture, chose poorly for a firsthand account of the misery in Iraq. Their past position is immaterial, only their current actions are relevant.

I was reading Ace's first comment and when he linked go his own blog I thought to myself, "Who in God's name would link to the Ace of Spades as if they were citing a reliable source?" It wasn't until I got to the sig that it all became oh so clear.

"Instead of asking questions why not answer some? How old are you? Who did you vote for? "

Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?

"It is amazing that the same group of people who have gone around for what, 5 or 6 years now, constantly chanting "Bush Lied", when faced with a real liar just cannot bring themselves to use the word."

Here's what I find amazing. Bush and Cheney received bad intelligence that served their political purposes, stripped it of all caveats, exaggerated the findings for political gain, presented speculation as fact, and subsequently blamed the people who collected the intelligence. Their dishonesty and incompetence led directly to the worst foreign policy disaster in the past 30 years. The warbloggers make excuse after excuse for them, and accuse anyone who refers to their actions as "lies" of being deranged.

Then the same people encounter a back-page diary on a low-circulation pro-war magazine that seems to have deliberately exaggerated bad behavior by the troops. And THIS they call a treasonous conspiracy of lies.

Very interesting. And not surprising that the same people who accused John Kerry of "smearing an entire generation of troops" for repeating stories he had heard first-hand, some true and some false, of American war crimes would be engaged in this behavior.

Your lot doesn't care about the TRUTH. You care about smearing anyone who criticizes the military, whether accurately or not.

Juicy Rumor:

Beauchamp discovered that Foer & Reeves were having an affair and lied on purpose to TNR to damage Foer.

"...and I don't think that Beauchamp's recantation to his superiors settles anything one way or another; given the threat of court-martial involved in standing by his stories, he seems at least as likely to be lying to his superiors as to be lying to TNR."

Can you be more disingenuous?

Don't anyone attempt to take the shovel from your hands...just keep on digging.



"It's a pretty simple question, Ace: are you of legal age to be serving in Iraq? If so, why aren't you over there, considering how important you think the fight is?"

What in the world does this have to do with ANYTHING?

How is this not about Scott Beauchamp's lies, and those of TNR's staff? A good half-dozen have said so here, but I simply can't wrap my mind around those statements. I've even seen one of the people working on getting the truth out about this story called a liar for doing so! It sounds alot like an attempt to cook up an excuse why the blatant (and for many of us, obvious from the outset) misrepresentation in the story is not important.

I'm so relieved that we've gotten to the bottom of this. Now that everything is back to normal and God is in His heaven, do you think we could actually get back to more important things, like whether Lindsay Lohan is going to spontaneously combust? All this talk about what some E-Nobody said in some political journal is a serious downer.

I love how unimportant this has all suddenly become.

It's pretty clear LaFollette Progressive doesn't care much about the truth either.
I would like to ask someone to point out one of these "soldier tells like it is" situations where the lies made the military look good instead of bad. It seems these all start out one way. I find that very irritating and after several of them, raising holy hell seems like a good idea.

"I love how unimportant this has all suddenly become."
Posted by Isabelle | August 7, 2007 11:45 AM

Sums up the liberal playbook nicely isabelle. Push a fabricated anti-troop story as much as possible, and when it is found to be bullshit, well, then it just becomes unimportant. Nice.

If Beauregard is a liar, then how could Ace or Yashmak or Citizen 2 or myself know whether he told the truth when he recanted?

Isn't that the point of that riddle about a liar and a truth-teller and how can you know when which is telling the truth? Has Beauregard got an identical twin who always tells the truth?

Chaite, which rhymes with hate, is a liberal stooge. I would immediately discount anything he says in defense of TNR since he's proven himself to be a useful idiot in validate other liberal sophistry.

It's interesting that Ross doesn't link any of Malkin's content in his flaccid defense of Beauchamp. I guess like Beauchamp he's stringing together fantasy and calling it reporting when, in fact, it's just more liberal content.

I'll just respond to this post the same way I responded to my pal Cathy Young's post, which posited a similar degree of overhype and paranoia by the right wing blogs: such a reading is overgenerous both to Foer and Beauchamp, and it relies on the kind of sneering and shaming that some professional journalists attempt to engage in in order to discredit what they fancy are their blog inferiors.

At any rate, my post is here. And worry not, Ross. My credentials for offering the analysis I do are solid -- though if you need one, I can probably get a note from one of my former professors or colleagues noting that before I became a slathering keyboard commando, I actually did some fairly non-ludicrous academic work.

I love how unimportant this has all suddenly become.


Posted by Isabelle | August 7, 2007 11:45 AM

Truth be told, the story in TNR didn't get any traction until the right wing bloggers like Malkin started screaming bloody murder.

I'm not defending TNR by any means, but let's not get all self-congratulatory.

"Push a fabricated anti-troop story as much as possible..."

When were the Scott Thomas Beauchamp stories pushed by liberals? The original stories were published in a pro-war centrist opinion journal, on the last page as part of it's long-running "diarist" feature. I read most of the major liberal blogs daily and I can't remember once seeing a link to the Scott Thomas Beauchamp stories on those blogs. I subscribe to TNR and I never read these pieces. The first I heard about this was when the Weekly Standard and conservative bloggers started questioning what was in these diaries about a week after the publication/posting of the third installment in mid-July. TNR published two other diaries by this guy, one in June and one all the way back in January...and those flew completely under the radar, at least as far as I can tell.

Question what Thomas wrote. Question TNR's editorial standards. But don't try to turn this into some kind of liberal conspiracy to discredit the US military. It isn't...and if it was, it certainly was poorly promoted because it was the Weekly Standard who brought Scott Thomas into the spotlight...not TNR and not the liberals and their playbook.

People of a certain age remember all too well the horrible things said about the military in the 70's.These people are going to do their best not to let it happen again.TNR was willing to believe these stories. The other side saw it as a pebble on the pond ,and if the story was untrue blow it out of the water before it spread.TNR found it easier to believe one fellow tarnishing the Army than hundreds saying he was lieing.This says more about TNR than the people who are upset at a lie

Juicy Rumor:

Beauchamp discovered that Foer & Reeves were having an affair and lied on purpose to TNR to damage Foer.


Posted by Gatrios | August 7, 2007 11:29 AM

Sure, and I and fellow TNR subscriber and blogger Left Flank were the ones to first to tip off Michael Goldfarb. In order to cover our tracks, I gave Goldfarb the Knucklehead award at my blog.

If you believe all of that, I got a bridge to sell you in Leyte Philippines.

I really am a TNR subscriber, and I really did give Goldfarb the Knucklehead. I caught him in a lie on his blog that he won't correct.(Plus he lied to another blogger in an email.)

http://thefloridamasochist.blogspot.com/2007/07/knuckleheads-of-day-award_31.html

Bill

"I would like to ask someone to point out one of these 'soldier tells like it is' situations where the lies made the military look good instead of bad."

Do the names Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman ring a bell?

A more analogous example would be the frequent "unreported good news from Iraq" chain e-mails that right-wing bloggers post with no effort made to verify the contents. Of course, it's much easier to prove that an alleged atrocity didn't take place than it is to prove that the "things are going great" e-mailer has witnessed terrible things and decided not to mention them.

Let me get this straight, Beauchamp submits total fiction that smears the million+ brave men & women who have served over-seas (remember that his unit wasn’t disclosed until milibloggers began questioning the validity of his TNR stories) & TNR’s response was to claim that the articles were still mostly true, though they admitted that locations have changed… & the only response is to call the people questioning the validity of what Beauchamp has admitted is false “chickenhawks,” to call their opinions or the simple act of questioning total BS “ludicrous” or say that TNR supported the war in the past & should receive a complete pass for presenting total fiction as a mostly accurate account of a veteran currently serving in Iraq – who just happens to be married to one of the editors of TNR. How do you expect anyone to take you or your side seriously when your only reactions are to call names, attack the messenger or give a pass to supposed professional journalists whose fact checking was outclassed by non-professional, not in Iraq bloggers?

How isn’t TNR shown to be nothing more than world class inept & those still defending Beauchamp’s poorly written fiction nothing more than illogical, reactionary partisan hacks?

"I love the vision of TNR's editors sitting around congratulating themselves on having found someone with the "moral authority" to smear the troops, and plotting how they would use his "horrific" dispatches to destroy morale on the homefront"

I agree with you that the reaction has been over the top, but let's not pretend that many, even most, left-wing publications haven't done just that. Look at the uncritical, hagiographic articles many of them have published about Cindy Sheehan. Their cynicism about publications like TNR haven't arisen in a vaccum.

Well, Tom.

Wasn't it really Beauchamp that started screaming "bloody murder?"

I agree with Ross that there has been a "pile on" in regards to the Beauchamp affair, but this IS a real black-eye on TNR.

First they tell us that they rigorously fact-checked this...then we find out the Iraq/Kuwait fabrication. Then they tell us well that's it, everything else is rigorously fact-checked...and then he recants it all.

So WTF was TNR fact-checking?? Yes, I understand that they don't have all the time in the world to fact check when a guy is half a world away, they cannot meet him face-to-face, he can't submit video or photo evidence for fear of exposing his identity or implicating himself or others in actions that might get other soliders in hot water, and they may or may not be able to interview other soldiers in his unit for the same reason. If those are the facts and it is difficult to fact check up to their standards, then don't lie to us and tell us you fact checked it or don't run it!

"Is it smaller than Talon News?"...that is the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks Treacher!

Do the names Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman ring a bell?

A more analogous example would be the frequent "unreported good news from Iraq" chain e-mails that right-wing bloggers post with no effort made to verify the contents.

Indeed, these are all examples of soldier's-eye-view accounts published in liberal magazines that tools like Ross keep insisting are respectable.

Oh, wait. They're actually nothing like that at all, and by "a more analogous example" you mean "a grotesquely stupid comparison that calls into question LaFollette Progressive's continued capacity to remember to eat, breathe, and clothe himself, much less reason".

Excellent point Beauceron.

I have a BRILLIANT idea. If TNR really wants someone in Iraq...

TNR SHOULD SUBSIDIZE MICHAEL YON!!!

It's perfect.

A) Yon is known to be have a pro-war bias, so it evens out Beauchamp's anti-war bias.
B) He's been in the #$%* and has the pictures to prove it.
C) He's an excellent writer...read his Gates of Fire dispatch if you don't believe me.
D) After several years of reporting no one has ever suceeded in challenging his veracity.
E) After living off of reader donations, he could probably use the $.

Problem solved!

This kind of crap makes me really miss Michael Kelley bad. What a crappy, pointless magazine that has turned into.

How come the guy from Confederate Yankee can get information from half a world away and TNR couldn't. I don't think Confederate Yankee has a large research staff.

This feigned outrage has nothing to do with protecting the reputation of our troops. Instead, it has everything to do with the rightwing exploiters of our military trying desperately to chip away at the MSM.

If these exploiters can argue the MSM doesn't always get it 100% right, they can ride that slippery slope to claim Iraq isn't really a debacle.

There's some pretty stunning hypocrisy on the part of these rightwing exploiters. Beauchamp's "crimes" were things like running over a dog and making disparaging remarks about a disfigured woman. Yet, these very same folks have defended LTC West, the 'Pendleton 8,' and those involved at Haditha where actual crimes did occur.

Seems like the reaction wasn't over the top, and that yet again, sloppy journalism with a leftist bias burns the industry. After a while you'd think serious journalists would get tired of this and work to make things better - or at least would be more cautious - but it doesn't seem like anything is ever learned. The confirmation bias is strong as ever: this is how we figure things are, or if not, how they ought to be, so we're not checking into it very carefully.

Ross,

You've called Ace and Michelle "ludicrous" for suggesting that TNR editors had any sort of political motivation for running these pieces, but you never get around to explaining what their real motivation actually was.

I think we can get a clue from the pieces themselves and from the presentation given in the magazine. Is there really any doubt that the pieces themselves were designed to shock readers?

So please explain it for all of us benighted righty bloggers who don't understand how our betters do things. How exactly does someone like Franklin Foer decide to run a piece of shocking stories about the bad behavior of US troops in Iraq without making a political judgment about its overall import?

Stop telling us what TNR didn't do and tell us what they did. What were they thinking exactly?

Michelle Malkin loves America, and the Atlantic hates America. Next thing you know we'll all have to listen to you pseudo-conservative weenies bitch and moan that interning Arab Americans in order to defend free-dom! and leeb-ear-tee! is a bad thing (don't listen to them Michelle! you go girl!)

Signed, Someone Who Loves America!!!!!!

Thanks to myny for pointing out "People of a certain age remember all too well the horrible things said about the military in the 70's."

Before "MoeLarryAndJesus" accuses me of being a chickenhawk -- I have already served in uniform. I made E-6 before being commissioned, then retired as a captain.

I do remember all too well not daring to wear my uniform in many public places. "Baby killers!" they said. Thanks to the lies from the "Winter Soldier" crap. (Google it!)

Now, I see the lies starting again. Not only here, but at KOS

Stop the lies. STOP THE LIES! Do not let these BUSTARDS tell the American People that their sons and daughters are baby killers! Those who do such are abberations, few and far between, whom we punish--severely! But some can't see that. Because they don't want to. They hate the military and are ready to believe all the worst some maggot-brain liar can make up from whole cloth.

LaFollette,

Which of the stories Kerry told were actually true?

"I would like to ask someone to point out one of these 'soldier tells like it is' situations where the lies made the military look good instead of bad."

Do the names Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman ring a bell?

That's a nice nonsequiter. The Lynch story my have been aided & abetted by military public affairs, but it was the MSM who flogged the story to death, for the express purpose of promoting the feminist "women can fight in combat just as well as men" storyline. It was also early in the war before people had started turning against it. Pat Tillman was a simple case of covering up a fratricide - it was the army that did that, not the MSM.

Where is the analogous version to "Shock Troops"? Where is the story about amazing feats of bravery & sacrifice by US troops, sourced anonymously and with negligible fact-checking? It doesn't exist, because the media is so saturated with the notion that soldiers are a) children, b) brutes, or c) brutish children, as well as the notion that war automatically degrades anyone who participates in it (Chait even said Beauchamp's story in Kuwait was plausible because of the bonding that occurs in basic training. Mmm hmmm.) that it would never publish such a story. Many such stories that are well-documented exist, but you still don't find them in any MSM outlet.

OGLiberal,

But don't try to turn this into some kind of liberal conspiracy to discredit the US military.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a monolithic perspective in the MSM. Abu Graib, Haditha, Gitmo all receive untold hours of newstime and miles of print, but the corresponding stories about the viciousness and brutality of Al Qaeda or the heroism and sacrifice of US troops don't exist. Another example is the ranting by Arkin on the WaPo blog - the media is saturated with anti-military (or condescending-to-the-military) attitudes. Which is why these types of incidents always go in one direction.

They didn't pick BoyChump, the had a feminist on staff find one soldier who would sleep with her, and figured he would bash the military, so they gave him a pen and paper. The military, like all of society, has enough bad apples that it doesn't need punks making stuff up. The TNR should have done better, it did not, it should be shamed and exposed, so the next magazine will work a little harder for the truth. It is not alot to ask, and if bloggers want to crow about exposing a lying jerk, well they can and should, it is not like the MSM is going to award them a pulitzer for doing jobs american journalists refuse to do: finding out the truth.

Anyway, why is his account so much more amazing than the sworn testimony that a bunch of Marines killed a whole family after one of them raped the daughter?

Can we have a source for this story?

If the story is true, what should we deduce from it - that Marines are human beings, some of whom will do terrible things, or that Marines are all potential rapists & murderers?

Thanks Mike S. and others for the rebuttal before I could get to it. I'll add one more thing to point out the idiocy in LP's response. It would have been hard for Pat Tillman to write his story since, unfortunately, he was dead.

Oh please. The media spent weeks hyping the glorious patriotic heroism of Pat Tillman before the story soured on them. Your attempts to pretend otherwise would be hilarious, if they weren't so indicative of the utter lunacy of your right-wing anti-MSM echo chamber.

I don't think that Beauchamp's recantation to his superiors settles anything one way or another; given the threat of court-martial involved in standing by his stories, he seems at least as likely to be lying to his superiors as to be lying to TNR.

And that's the problem. You still believe that in some way it is possible that these fictions are true. Even though you know one of them was fictionalized to add nuance and impact to the story (and to hide the moral degeneracy of the author).

You do realize that lying to superiors in an investigation is also a court-martial eligible offense, right?

So, he could lie to TNR with no repercussions at all, or he could risk jail by lying to the Army, and you think he's at least as likely to be doing the latter.

That's ludicrous

"I agree with Ross that there has been a "pile on" in regards to the Beauchamp affair, but this IS a real black-eye on TNR. "

Well, of COURSE there was a 'pile on'. The media hadn't given it any attention at all. Both those of us on the left, and those of us on the right, know that we now have the ability to force such an issue if enough of us speak out at the poli or mil blogs.

That's how the truth is reached on things like this these days.

Considering the eagerness of many to now repeat a "it's not important" mantra, isn't it obvious that without this spotlight shown upon the issue, it would have been swept under the rug, and Beauchamp/TNR's lies let stand?

Ranten N Raven writes: "Stop the lies. STOP THE LIES! Do not let these BUSTARDS tell the American People that their sons and daughters are baby killers! Those who do such are abberations, few and far between, whom we punish--severely! But some can't see that."

I think we can't see that because it isn't true. Rusty Calley was the only baby-killer jailed in the My Lai case, and he only served a brief period of house arrest during which he was allowed out to go shopping and so forth. No one else in his company - many of whom were guilty of the murder of children and unarmed noncombatants - ever served a single day.

Likewise many of the American soldiers currently being convicted are getting off with egregiously short sentences, or in some cases no sentences at all. Even the much-ballyhooed "110 year sentence" passed down the other day is a fraud, since it can still be reduced by that soldier's commanding general, and he can gain parole in 10 years anyway. Turns out the 110 year sentence is a plea bargain with that 10 year figure in mind.

If the "severe" punishments being given out in the military were given out in civilian criminal courts here in the US people would be outraged.

By the way, Ranten, it was Ace who introduced "chickenhawks" into this discussion, not me. When I replied to him I said "actual chickenhawks." I figure he's one. I know damn well Bush and Cheney fit the description.

Mike S.

"Which of the stories Kerry told were actually true?"

Few of the Winter Soldier claims have ever been disproven. There was a good piece in the Trib during the campaign that fact-checked the claims on both sides.

It includes a good quote from Gary Solis about the whole affair:

"Every one of those things he named happened--and I don't mean just once... But when you put it all into one sentence, it makes so many individuals over there [in Vietnam] sound like criminals, and that's simply not the case."

I think that's right.

On the other hand, nothing that I've seen has convinced me that he's a Stephen Glass-style fabulist, either, and I don't think that Beauchamp's recantation to his superiors settles anything one way or another; given the threat of court-martial involved in standing by his stories, he seems at least as likely to be lying to his superiors as to be lying to TNR.

That is, for the lack of a better word, ludicrous.