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The Iraq Debate, And My Place In It

22 Aug 2007 06:08 pm

Matt Feeney, on my last post:

I feel a certain unease with Ross Douthat’s disquiet with Jon Chait’s unhappiness happiness with Bill Kristol’s anger with certain liberals’ dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq. Seriously, Ross’s objection to Chait – or, more accurately, Ross’s unwillingness to wrestle with Chait’s argument – seems to rest entirely on the fact that Chait’s magazine, The New Republic, has a wishy-washy, passive-aggressive, hard-to-pin-down position on the war ...

The underlying mystery here is hardly a mystery. At TNR, Peretz remains a vigorous defender of the war. Chait and some others were for the war and have become critics of its execution. Foer and others were against it from the start. I’m not sure how you would synthesize these positions into Weekly Standard­-style editorial calls-to-arms or what, in the nature of magazines, obliges TNR to do so. TNR and the Standard are simply different kinds of magazines.

Larison chimes in:

By the same token, Ross’ critique of Chait would be considerably more powerful if it were possible to discern clearly what Ross’ own view on the war was at the present time. It isn’t that Ross never writes about the war, but he doesn’t say much about what kind of Iraq policy he thinks would be best. In his bloggingheads appearances, he will often make a point of declaring himself to be something of an agnostic on the “surge,” and thus ends up, by default, with a “wait and see” position. That’s fair enough, but it is a bad position from which to criticise someone else’s reticence about Iraq policy.

Meanwhile, Chait himself writes that I'm guilty of a non sequitur for using his attack on Kristol as an excuse to gripe about TNR's recent silence on the Iraq War. I take his point, but I don't think that my turn was exactly a non sequitur so much as an expression of disinterest in a controversy that's completely tangential to the much-more important debate about what to do next in Iraq - a debate from which TNR, both in its editorials and in the essays it chooses to run, has largely absented itself of late. Kristol accused The New Republic of giving up on success in Iraq - indeed, of choosing to ignore evidence of success because of a commitment to a narrative of defeat - and cited the Beauchamp piece as his prime example, and I think Chait is absolutely right to call that criticism unfair and unfounded. (Though I think Chait's larger attempt to draw a contrast between the old neocon idealism and the new neocon thuggery is considerably weaker, as are some of his other swipes). But it's unfair and unfounded in part because it's impossible to tell what TNR does think about the war, which in turn gives the whole debate a sideshow quality that makes me inclined to tune it out.

Now it's true, as Larison notes, that it's likewise hard to tell what I think about the war, and one could argue that if it's okay for me to say that I don't have anything substantive to offer and leave it at that, then it's okay for The New Republic as well. But TNR isn't a twenty-seven-year old writer who's traveled very little outside the U.S., prefers film criticism to reading Foreign Affairs, and has spent the last year writing a book about domestic political history and public policy. TNR is a major Washington magazine with a good-sized staff and a prestigious list of a contributing editors and contributors - many of them foreign-policy experts of one kind or another - that asks to be taken seriously as a place where informed readers go to encounter smart center-left opinion on the major issues of the day. I don't think it's fair to simply say, as Matt does above, that TNR is a different kind of publication than the Standard; they do differ, but TNR runs staff editorials, just like TWS, and TNR is very much in the mix of Beltway political debate, just like TWS, both of which - to my mind, at least - create an obligation to be much more involved in the arguments over Iraq than have been lately.

And I don't just mean the arguments about the progress of the surge - I'd like more on our political options in dealing with Maliki's government, more on potential strategies for withdrawal, more how to deal with Iran, and so on and so forth. If the magazine's staff can't agree on an official editorial stance, then they should run more bylined pieces on these topics, even - or especially - if those pieces contradict one another. If there's a "cacophony" of opinion on the subject within the halls of TNR, then I want to hear it. From a branding point of view, I can see why they would want to steer clear of the Iraq debate (since it hasn't exactly been good for their image over the last few years), and I respect what Frank Foer has been trying to do overall with the magazine of late - namely, focusing it more on strong narrative writing than on Beinart-style hectoring. But at a time of polarization and paralysis in the national debate, I think a magazine with TNR's aspirations has a duty to contribute significantly to the conversation, even at the risk of being boring, repetitive, cacophonous or self-contradictory.

I don't just mean to go after TNR on this front. When the right-wing blogosphere was attacking them around the clock over the Beauchamp scandal, I suggested that this was a waste of everybody's time and a distraction from more pressing matters. When Max Boot a long attack on the advocates of withdrawal, I criticized him for failing to address the crucial question of what political strategy, if any, we should marry to our current military approach. (I would lodge a similar criticism against the Weekly Standard.) The same goes for that awful Michael Ignatieff piece I dinged earlier this month: The worst thing about it was Ignatieff's failure, after announcing that "the decision facing the United States over Iraq is paradigmatic of political judgment at its most difficult," to advance any serious argument about what decision the United States should make.

I apologize if this kind of complaining about others' opinions, rather than advancing my own, is annoying to my readers. But at the moment it's the only way I can find to contribute to the debate - by trying to goad other writers and thinkers into doing a better job of writing and thinking their way out of the trap we seem to be in.

Comments (11)

My problem is that you won't tell us what you think of Kristol, which was Chait's target. You referred to his "supposed" thuggery. Well, was it thuggery? If not, why not?

As I said, this seems to me to have something to do with your friendship of the man and perception that his pro-life stance was not cynically adopted. (Personally, I doubt there is a non-cynical bone in Kristol's body, but you know the man and I don't.)

But in any event, if you are going to criticize Chait, you have to meet his argument. Especially since you deride it with the adjective "supposed". It seems to me there's no "supposed" about it; Chait has Kristol dead to rights.

You referred to his "supposed" thuggery. Well, was it thuggery? If not, why not?

Unless Dr. Kristol is moonlighting doing collections for a loan shark, accusing him of thuggery makes little sense.

(Personally, I doubt there is a non-cynical bone in Kristol's body.)

Really? If anything, Kristol's neoconservatism is the antithesis of cynicism. Realists are cynics, Bill Kristol is a true believer.

My plan: Hope Cheney has a heart attack and crushes Bush to death as he keels over.

My backup plan: Mojitos.

Chait wasn't saying you're personally guilty of a non sequitur; by saying it was "logical non sequitur day at the Atlantic," he lumped your criticism of TNR with Yglesias's post about how TNR has often been (in his view) as jingoistic as the Standard. "Fever or frostbite," in other words: You say the cat has TNR's tongue; Yglesias says Peretz and Co. are Kristol-lite.

If TNR had published any of the pieces cited by Yglesias in your timeframe of TNR's silence, I'd say you both might be right...

re:Iraqi politics.
The more security we provide, the less Iraqi leaders need fear for their lives unless they side with brutal elements that want civil war. So our commitment frees Iraqis from the coercive and violent proselytizing of factions.

On the other hand, the more security we provide, the less pressure Iraqi leaders feel to reach a political accommodation to prevent a civil war, since we're there to stop it. So our commitment frees Iraqis from the consequences of continuing divisiveness.

In short, Iraq won't come together one way or the other. I think running Iraq as a colony for decades is less bad than letting the full civil war come -- after the brutal fighting, and massive refugee outflows, after the increased influence of Iran over the region, and after the imperilment of the Kurds, (all of which we'd be responsible for) the U.S. would be bankrupt of credibility, honor, and self respect.

Let us be burdened onerously, hoping that our little pet state will stabilize a generation down the road, rather than perpetuate further self-defeating disgrace upon the region.

A great race war approaches. Each race will fight brave. Each race will fight for own survival. But in the end, only one race will survive.
The white man has had his day in the sun. Its now Age of the Brown Man.

Matt Feeney writes

"I feel a certain unease with Ross Douthat’s disquiet with Jon Chait’s unhappiness happiness with Bill Kristol’s anger with certain liberals’ dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq."

Yes, but _I_ am experiencing a mild perturbation over Matt Feeney feeling that he feels a certain unease with Ross Douthat’s disquiet with Jon Chait’s unhappiness happiness with Bill Kristol’s anger with certain liberals’ dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq.

We could keep this up all day!

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I come from Wisconsin
When I walk down the street
The people I meet
Say
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When he walks down the streets
The people he meets
Say
His name is Yon Yonson ...

This is all just a distraction from the real point that TNR has fallen, yet again, for a charlatan. TNR's position (or anyone else's for that matter) on the war, for/against/undetermined is completely justifiable. TNR's gullibility, especially after the Glass incidents, is not.

Yes, it's a real shame how that Iraq War is distracting us from a 24/7 discussion of TNR's shoddy journalistic standards. I'll call Bush to see if he can turn the war off for a while, so we can get to the bottom of this.

You'd wonder how long the wingnuts can keep this up without realizing that this entire fucking war was justified with, when not outright lying, seriously shoddy fact checking. Curveball isn't just a baseball pitch.

(Personally, I doubt there is a non-cynical bone in Kristol's body.)

Really? If anything, Kristol's neoconservatism is the antithesis of cynicism. Realists are cynics, Bill Kristol is a true believer.

I don't think so. At best he is a true believer with respect to the general importance of American power, and also in the importance of defending Israel.

But I think there is substantial documented evidence, in addition to the cynicism that Chait points to, of the following propositions: (a) Kristol really isn't very religious but believes, like Leo Strauss, that it is useful for the public to be religious even if religion is bunk; (b) Kristol believes that it is important for Republican electoral prospects as well as American foreign policy that the US has an enemy; he expected that after the Cold War, that enemy would be China, but he substitued Islamic states in the Middle East after 9/11; (c) Kristol must know of the various reasons why the war in Iraq is not going well, and yet, rather than just saying that there is hope or that those things are outweighed by other things, he pretends the bad stuff doesn't exist and simply asserts that everything is going fine; (d) Kristol still asserts that the POLITICS of the Iraq War are good for Republicans and that voters will punish Democrats for not wanting to "win" in Iraq, something he knows is not true; etc.

In other words, this is a deeply cynical man.