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Bollinger v. Ahmadinejad

24 Sep 2007 08:09 pm

Larison nails it:

On reading the blog account of the big to-do at Columbia today, it occurs to me that Ahmadinejad must have found Bollinger’s “sharp challenges” much as Francis Urquhart described Prime Minister’s Question Time: “very frightening -- like being mugged by a guinea pig.”

Consider this “challenge”:
Why do you support well-documented terrorist organizations that continue to strike at peace and democracy in the Middle East, destroying lives and the civil society of the region?
You could almost imagine Ahmadinejad replying, “I thank the honourable gentleman for his concern for peace and democracy, which my government has always shared. We have always worked to bring peace and democracy to the rest of the world, because we love all of the nations of the world. Naturally, we abhor terrorism and I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer.”

In his speech, Ahmadinejad did actually say, “we love all nations.” ... The point is that posing such questions to a demagogue simply lends meaning and importance to whatever the demagogue says in response. It sets him up to blather on about whatever he would like to say. If he ignores the questions, nothing has been proved that we did not already know, and if he answers them he will invariably spin them to his advantage. Demagogues often have a good knack for turning a phrase and playing to a crowd - that’s how they got to be demagogues.

The core of the problem, to my mind, is summed up by Bollinger's remark, in his email to the school, that this was an opportunity for Columbia students to "listen to ideas we deplore." This sort of earnest liberal piety demonstrates a fundamental inability to grasp what someone like the Iranian President is all about. If Ahmadinejad were interest in making a serious, sustained case for political Islam, or even if he were presenting a David Irving-style brief on the Holocaust, there might be some value in having him appear at Columbia and face questions - perhaps not from the university president, but from someone well-suited to engage with his arguments. (If Sayyid Qutb were alive and writing, for instance, I would be very interested to watch him debate a liberal, secular Ivy League political philosopher.) But the Iranian President was never going to actually elucidate or defend his most controversial ideas before a Western audience - and certainly not at Columbia University, of all places! Not when he could further his objectives by refraining from saying anything at all.

So ask him about the Holocaust, and he'll say that further research is needed, and besides, why should the Palestinians suffer for whatever may or may not have happened to Jews sixty years ago? Ask him if he wants to destroy Israel, and he'll tell you: "We love all nations. We are friends with the Jewish people." Ask him about women's rights, and he'll say: "Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom." Ask him about the execution of homosexuals, and he'll tell you that there are no homosexuals in Iran. Ask him about nuclear weapons, and he'll tell you that Iran wants to live in peace with its neighbors and the world. And so on and so forth. There are no controversial ideas here; there are, in fact, no ideas at all. Which is why it didn't matter what Bollinger said: He was being played for a fool right from the beginning.

Comments (63)

"From American President George W. Bush's appearance at Columbia University: Responding to a question regarding the treatment of women and homosexuals in the Republican Party, President Bush said, "We Republicans, we don't have homosexuals like in your country."

The point, Roscoe, is that the Bush of Iran wasn't quite as adept as you'd like to pretend he was. He was revealed as a clown to those who aren't part of the Kristol-Podhoretz Traveling War Drum Circle.

Like Ross, I'm similarly frustrated and bored by "traditional liberal pieties" of tolerance and dialogue. This post, however, pretty seriously underestimates - or just ignores - the confrontational nature of today's events. There was as more judgment of Ahmandinejad today than debate, and it's a pretty big mis-representation to put it otherwise.
Of course, in regard to Ahmandinejad's "answers", there were obviously none there - but this was patently obvious and even acknowledged with laughter.

Look, I just think you're wrong on principal. The question I have is, what is wrong with you that you can't listen to the opinions of an idiot without them somehow infecting you, or believing that they are somehow bolstered by being heard? Precisely the opposite of what you describe happens when I read his remarks: the vacuousness and intellectual bankruptcy of Ahmadinejad leaps off the screen. And I have the opportunity to read them because he was given this platform! You say Larison nails it, but what, precisely, is he saying? The same thing he and you and others keep saying, a vague notion that his remarks are somehow empowered or legitimized by being given voice. But that is specifically and explicitly rejected by Columbia and Bollinger. They've said it over and over.

What are you afraid of? Stupidity is depowered by being openly aired. Who are the mental midgets who you are afraid will be swayed by his arguments? Who do you think is out there saying "Well, Ahmadinejad never seemed that great to me... but he's speaking at Columbia University! Maybe we should drive the Jews into the sea!"

Because if it isn't that, if it's just this ambiguous "empowerment" of his ideas, when the notion of endorsement has been denied by Columbia over and over again-- I'm sorry, but that's very weak tea. I'm not impressed.

Watching someone like Ahmadinejad talk can be fascinating, because it gives you a chance to sit back and analyse how demagogues work (body language, speech patterns, vocabulary choices, phrasings, evasions, etc). It can also be an excellent way to build the critical tools that analysing speeches really requires, in a buffered way, since he's an acknowledged Bad Person. You listen to him speak, and suddenly you realize that the way he speaks is a lot like the that politician over there who you thought was a Good Guy ...

Consider it a mental vaccination.

How was Bollinger being played for a fool when Ahmaginejad is the one that came off looking like an idiot? People laughed at the guy when he said there were no homosexuals in Iran.

Ahmadinejad wasn't winning any converts here; no one was swayed by his "arguments" because they were, as you point out, ridiculous to non-existent. And this became ever more clear with this type of high-profile Q&A.

I think we should all be thanking Columbia right now for exposing Ahmadinejad as the dangerous and ill-informed jerk that he is. And on such a big stage, with so many people watching––a Q&A that gave an excuse for hundreds of bloggers/pundits/and journalists, from Ross Douthat to the Ladies of the View, to rattle on about how awful the guy is.

"Who are the mental midgets who you are afraid will be swayed by his arguments?"

Gee Freddie, I dunno know. Perhaps the 1+ billion Muslims who inhabit the Earth? The fence sitters who love a nice, edited propaganda show?

Or perhaps it was the cheering section in the audience?

This sort of earnest liberal piety demonstrates a fundamental inability to grasp what someone like the Iranian President is all about.

I should say that for you to accuse others of piety is a bit rich.

But, look-- what do you think tolerance means? This willful refusal to define the word the same way us mushy-headed liberals do is so galling. Tolerating someone's right to voice an opinion isn't the same as tolerating them performing the actions they advocate. No, in point of fact, liberals, even those pointy-headed professors, don't think we should tolerate Muslims stoning women or forcing them into burkas. What we tolerate is their right to hold and express that opinion. And, if you'd actually listen to them, instead of constantly trafficking in stereotypes and caricature, you'd know that the vast majority of those professors loudly denounce views like Ahmadinejad's. But, yes, freedom of expression is an absolute, even the most odious kind. And when endorsement of or agreement with that expression is expressly denied, what's the complaint?

Or perhaps it was the cheering section in the audience?

Right! Because if Columbia didn't give him a forum, no one would ever have heard of him, or interview him, or hear his views! In fact, maybe if we close our eyes and concentrate really hard, he'd wouldn't exist!

I find it more contemptible for Columbia to have invited Ahmadinejad to its star chamber on the pretense of free speech and academic "integrity" than anything Ahmadinejad said, did not say, understands, or does not understand. Assuming both parties were exploiting each other for their own reasons, it is still morally indefensible to set Ahmadinejad up for public humiliation so Bollinger could save his own ass, which is what he did, and why no one should take Columbia seriously as an elite academy anymore.

"Right! Because if Columbia didn't give him a forum, no one would ever have heard of him, or interview him, or hear his views! In fact, maybe if we close our eyes and concentrate really hard, he'd wouldn't exist!"

Your dodging your own question Fred. You said swayed, nay?

Your dodging your own question Fred. You said swayed, nay?

I'm not dodging anything. I don't believe that anyone who heard him at Columbia has suddenly changed their opinion of him or his ideas as a result of his speaking there. As I indicated before, they have plenty of opportunity to hear his views elsewhere. And even if there was some tiny sliver of people who hear him and change their views, so what? Crazy people are going to believe crazy things. Just like the person who hears Marilyn Manson and kills themselves or someone else, they were crazy to begin with.

I find it more contemptible for Columbia to have invited Ahmadinejad to its star chamber on the pretense of free speech and academic "integrity" than anything Ahmadinejad said, did not say, understands, or does not understand.

If you think Columbia letting him speak is worse than Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism, your moral compass is irreversibly broken.

Rupert bushes: "Gee Freddie, I dunno know. Perhaps the 1+ billion Muslims who inhabit the Earth? The fence sitters who love a nice, edited propaganda show?"

Yeah, Rupert's right. Up until the appearance at Columbia most Muslims hated this guy, who had never had access to a big audience before. We're all doomed - DOOMED, I say! - because this guy was laughed at in NYC.

Is "Rupert" Bloody Billy Kristol's homunculus or what?

harry burbank writes: "I find it more contemptible for Columbia to have invited Ahmadinejad to its star chamber on the pretense of free speech and academic "integrity" than anything Ahmadinejad said, did not say, understands, or does not understand."

Before using a phrase like "star chamber," harry, you should find out what it means.

It's the Bushpigs who are running star chambers in this country today.

"I don't believe that anyone who heard him at Columbia has suddenly changed their opinion of him or his ideas as a result of his speaking there."

Then your a fool, Fred. Change isn't binary, on and off. It's a process. Couple this travesty with slick presentation and you have propaganda. Look the Truthers, for Christ sake.

This will be edited and played over and over in the Islamic world, much to our detriment.

Again, I refer you to your original query "Who are the mental midgets who will be swayed by his arguments?"

Rupert Kristol writes: "This will be edited and played over and over in the Islamic world, much to our detriment."

Why bother? All they have to do is show pictures of the sexual humiliation of Muslims at Abu Ghraib - which, of course, your sort condemned at the time. Not the sexual abuse, of course - just the publication of the pictures. You were okay with the abuse, and okay with far worse, as long as it was kept quiet.

This reveals the true moral depravity of the Bushpigs - they're opposed to open debate and transparency in all cases, because they're paranoid autocratic wackaloons who have only one value.

Do as they will is the whole of their law.

I was embarassed by the comments of Columbia's president in his introduction. This was a violation of basic rules of human courtesy, and it will further undermine respect for the United States in a world of poorer nations. I think the president of Columbia University did this because of the many pressures on him, but it was a foolish thing to do. If Columbia teaches our future diplomats, then God help us!

David Hill writes: "If Columbia teaches our future diplomats, then God help us!"

I think we'll have to help ourselves. And it could be a whole lot worse - our future diplomats could be chosen by Republicans like W, and in that case they'd be coming from Bob Jones University and Pat Robertson's law school.

I know which path I'd prefer.

By the way, anyone who thinks a university's president has a whole lot to do with the education given to its students probably either didn't go to much of a college or wasn't paying attention when they were there. These people are fundraisers and gladhanders more than educators.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and I for one am glad Ahmadinejad had to come into the light here in America.

Mockery, and clarity, is what we need, not the fearmongering that turns this second-rate leader into another neo-conservative boogeyman. I cast my lot with those who thing it was worse to have Ahmadinejad say nothing at all but his speech at the U.N.

Better that he faced a crowd not composed of worthies or sycophants.

DU

Mechanical writes: "Mockery, and clarity, is what we need, not the fearmongering that turns this second-rate leader into another neo-conservative boogeyman. I cast my lot with those who thing it was worse to have Ahmadinejad say nothing at all but his speech at the U.N.

Better that he faced a crowd not composed of worthies or sycophants."

I'll say one thing for the guy - he's at least willing to appear before audiences who aren't donning kneepads while waiting to listen to him.

Our own chickenhawk president isn't too fond of doing that.

Here's the start of a Reuters story about the appearance: "NEW YORK, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Vilified as a Holocaust denier, a supporter of terrorism and a backer of Iraqi insurgents, the president of Iran was actually able to make New Yorkers burst into laughter -- but not at a joke.

"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University on Monday in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.

"In Iran we do not have this phenomenon," he continued. "I do not know who has told you we have it."

Loud laughs and boos broke from the audience of about 700 people, mostly students at the Ivy League school whose garb included "Stop Ahmadinejad's Evil" T-shirts."

Some Hitler. Some boogeyman.

In order to believe that this appearance was some sort of big defeat for the West, I suggest that one would have to be some sort of hopelessly demented ideological idiot.

From what I saw, both Bollinger and Ahmedinejad made Grade A fools of themselves. It reminded me of nothing so much as the recent Senate hearings with DoJ officials. We had a slimeball spouting transparent lies, and an interrogator who was more interested in delivering a long-winded sermon to the cameras than asking the sort of brief, pointed questions that might provoke meaningful responses.

The only noteworthy outcome is that Ahmedinejad came off as more of a buffoon than a menace. The trolls who desperately want to paint this as a propaganda coup for our enemies are just grasping at straws. This, I suspect, is why folks like Bill Kristol wanted to prevent this event from happening in the first place... It's bad for the saber rattling business when the evil emperor shows up with no clothes on.

He was weak when the questions attacked human rights violations in Iran.

However, he made a very sensible case for Iran's position with respect to nuclear energy.

I am not here to promote the views of the Iranian President but it was thoroughly disgusting to watch how Mr. Bollinger conducted himself. I wonder where he learned to arbitrate. By the way, it shows his character, sic.

America preaches to the world to how the rest of us should adopt her ways and boast of liberties & rights but hearing the President of Columbia University, I wonder if someone can teach him simple courtesies, decency of conduct and common sense. Please note that it is wrong to invite someone as a guest and disrespect him so outright. Read the biography of the Prophet of Islam and learn how he conducted himself even in front of adversaries.

Finally, here is something for the President of Columbia University – “Mr. Bollinger, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel tyrant. You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated. I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mindset that characterizes so much of what you say and do. I doubt that you will have the intellectual courage to answer these or change yourself”. His own words slightly modified.

I am not here to promote the views of the Iranian President but it was thoroughly disgusting to watch how Mr. Bollinger conducted himself. I wonder where he learned to arbitrate. By the way, it shows his character, sic.

America preaches to the world to how the rest of us should adopt her ways and boast of liberties & rights but hearing the President of Columbia University, I wonder if someone can teach him simple courtesies, decency of conduct and common sense. Please note that it is wrong to invite someone as a guest and disrespect him so outright. Read the biography of the Prophet of Islam and learn how he conducted himself even in front of adversaries.

Finally, here is something for the President of Columbia University – “Mr. Bollinger, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel tyrant. You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated. I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mindset that characterizes so much of what you say and do. I doubt that you will have the intellectual courage to answer these or change yourself”. His own words slightly modified.

Ahmadinejad is no menace to any country but his own country Iran. Warmongers have used his rhetorics made for domestic consumption for all it is worth to demonize Iran and create a new war. Iran is being used as an escapegoat for the failures of Bush administration in Iraq, for not finding WMDs there, for AbuGharib scandal, etc. Why not write a bit on 4 millions Iraqi refugees (the greatest refugee numbers in decades) and how they are having it ? It is easy to put the blame of failures to create peace between Israel and Palestinians on Iran, to tell everybody that failures in Iraq and Afghanistan are all because of Iran, etc. But then who is the intellectual midget here when escapegoating is all this is about ? Is Saudi Arabia treating the homosexuals better than Iran or even much worse ? Aren't most of the foreign fighters in Iraq not Saudis with Saudi financing the Sunni militia that actually has been the real resistance to the US troops ? When Maliki and Karzai go out and call Iran's role in their countries as positive how can you simply buy what the corporate media feed you with ?

Read the biography of the Prophet of Islam and learn how he conducted himself even in front of adversaries.

Well, I read the recent one by Robert Spencer, which I found very interesting!

Remarkably, this whole affair has been pretty much a wash, considering the immense amount of debate surrounding it. Ahmadinejad was held up to public ridicule and made himself ridiculous as well, despite Bollinger's hypocrisy. There are plenty of people whose ideas Bollinger "deplores" whom he would never invite to Columbia. I don't care for Bollinger at all, but I have to say that he managed to eat his cake and have it too: he gets credit from the left for inviting Ahmadinejad and gets credit from the right for beating him up in public.

Bollinger gave a great speech. It's the speech someone from the White House or the State Department should have given. It's the clearest indictment of the Iranian regime I've heard. It's a liberal professor claiming that Iran is fighting a war against American soldiers in Iraq without trying to qualify it with "Maybe the leadership doesn't know" or "They're just protecting their self interest." It was a liberal professor claiming that evil exists and it was sitting on stage with him, without trying to qualify it with claims of "nuances" and "gray areas." It was an excellent speech, and you could hear the emotion in Bollinger's voice when it cracked a little.

But here's the thing. It should never have been given in that environment, because A'jad just made a mockery of it. Plus, for the great applause Bollinger got, the audience was still at least 1/3 in support of A'jad. If Bollinger could have given that speech to explain why A'jad wasn't coming, or to try and get his fellow liberals on board in opposing Iran, it would have been fantastic. Also, at the end of his speech, Bollinger threw one final insult at A'jad and walked away. If he had stayed away, it would have had more impact.

This affair is the mother of all gray areas. Since a "moral" case can be made fairly plausibly for or against using absolutist language, I would suggest taking a more pragmatic view of the whole thing. Who benefits from it? At the end of a day I think it's a wash. Nobody's mind was changed vis a vis Columbia, Bollinger, America, Iran, or "A'jad" (which I will only ever now say in place of his overlong surname -- thanks Dan).

MoeLarryAndJesus, despite being a known jerkoff & cartoonist, hits it out of the park with this line in response to one Rupert:

Rupert Kristol writes: "This will be edited and played over and over in the Islamic world, much to our detriment."

Why bother? All they have to do is show pictures of the sexual humiliation of Muslims at Abu Ghraib - which, of course, your sort condemned at the time. Not the sexual abuse, of course - just the publication of the pictures. You were okay with the abuse, and okay with far worse, as long as it was kept quiet.

Plenty of hypocrisy to go around here.

Bollinger was wrong! He was grandstanding in order to serve his own aspirations towards a political career. He abused his position as President of an Ivy League university.
His decision to invite Ahmadinejad seemed like a miracle in US terms. At last, dialogue was being encouraged which, albeit unknown to the Pentagon, is historically proven to be the best long term remedy to conflict.
Unfortunately Bollinger, while more erdudite, seemingly behaved exactly like his white cousins with red-necks in Jena would have. Given the same opportunity, they also would have acted out their introduction through the limited paradigm that so often lets American's down. Ironically, he made Ahmadinejad look far more composed, centered and intelligent than he actually is. Ahmadinejad took the high road, despite the insults, which actually reduced any suspicion of tyranny.
However, any real opportunity for salient questioning, (as was ostensibly the purpose in this academic setting,) such as the real tyranny in Iran - religious power in Iran through the Ayatollah, was lost.
Bollinger, you have lived inside academia all of your life, and thus perhaps you ought to stay in your study in future, amongst your dusty narrow minded books, instead of behaving like a silly narcissistic pop star, looking to impress your "worldly wisdom" upon 18-21 year olds!
This was we will all have a chance to use real diplomatic opportunities in dialogue, and a chance at World peace.
"All we are saying, is give peace a chance." John Lennon.

The whole proceedings were a sham from the start to the end. So much for the hype we need to confront a tyrant, when, we should have known, he would make fools out of Bollinger and his myrmidons. All in the service of "free speech" when the same university would not grant patriotic Americans like the Minutemen and the ROTC any time of day. All we heard were lies, evasions and denials. But what did we expect?

Even considering Bollinger's rants before the tyrant's speech, an obvious move to placate his critics who excoriated him for his "liberal piety," the Columbia president has been exposed as nothing more than a cheap hypocrite.

Columbia University will forever be blackened by
this show of arrogance that served nobody's interests except that of the tyrant.

Again and again during these past few years, I find myself, a conservative, agreeing with the liberals, even though my conservative views have not changed an iota.
What the -f- has happened to my party, which is ostensibly conservative? I just don't get it anymore. Why is it that it is the liberals who are the ones arguing for free speech, and for balance of powers, and for restraints on the executive, and for habeas corpus, and for constitutional rights to criminal defendants? How did conservatives become the opposite of what they profess to believe, while the liberals show themselves to have far more integrity and political depth than I ever realized? (Sorry, liberals, please take it as a compliment. I've been having one epiphany after another these past few years. That doesn't undo my small contribution of damage by voting for the current idiot, but at least my mind is more open.)
What can possibly be wrong with giving the Iranian president a place to speak his nonsense, for all to see and hear? And if some applaud him, great, then it exposes what people really think. For conservatives to constantly argue that these viewpoints should be suppressed, and universities who provide a public forum should be penalized, shows a complete inability to recognize what makes our society great in the first place.

"troubled conservative | September 25, 2007 11:00 AM"
I agree with you. The problem you mention though, is the specific problem of partisan politics. The US and it's previously omnipotent industry was founded on great, effective ideas, facilitated by great, effective people. The problem we now have is that a great idea, is only such if one's entire party believes it is. Those party members, quite often, don't know a great idea if it were to hit them in the face. If they do happen to know it's merit's, they are still bound by lobbyist money and the consistently non-sensical antics of their peers. I say scrap the outdated party system and allow a true proportional representation to come into being, and disqualify huge election funds. The problem with party partisan politics, is that it is snowballing the country to a standstill and taking the focus away from the sense of shared, common goals that buils any superb organization of people. I say vote NO! in the 2008 elections, and get back to meritocratic greatness!!

n.b. Bollinger's personal motivations for inviting A'jad, whatever they might have been and however unsavory, do not speak to the rightness or wrongness of the Iranian president's presence at Columbia in theory. I think some people are blending two separate concerns. If the president of Columbia had behaved & spoken differently would that have made things fundamentally different? Are we talking about the way in which A'jad is showcased at an American university or the fact that he is at all?

"Posted by Bill | September 25, 2007 11:21 AM"

Bill, I think Ahmadinejad's invitation and presence to attend Columbia were correct. The fact that he is a recognized Presidential figure of a sovereign state by the UN, and if we care to separate the two, the US, says it is perfectly ethical and correct. This is especially so, when one looks at Iran's citizen views closely - Iran is the best chance we have of achieving a democratic State in the region.
The fact that Ahmadinejad wanted to accept speaks volumes as to the myriad opportunities that this event presented, not least in showing the Iranian population the reality of their "leader."
If Bollinger had chosen to represent what the US stands up for in the World, and what the allies are purportedly fighting (& dying) for in Iraq, he would have spoken with far greater purpose than was demonstrated by him at the event. Instead, he chose to represent the US in exactly the same manner that Bin Laden accuses us of being, self-interested and self-serving bullies, with little interest as to real solutions for the real world outside of our borders.
I put it to you that, had Bollinger taken the initiative to follow through properly with a view to what happens AFTER the event in question, he would have given Ahmadinejad enough proverbial rope, and would have allowed the audience to see for themselves what the problem is with such world leaders. Instead, he chose to set the agenda and control the outcome. It backfired, and if one reads the Iranian blogs, all Bollinger did was make the US look hypocritical and absurd. Those same Iranian blogs I read were last week saying the opposite. Thanks to Bollinger, the false accusations against democracy have been temporarily vindicated, and our goal is now further away. Bollinger ought to be ashamed!
Would the outcome have been different Bill? I believe it would.

Stnley Kurtz in a NR Corner post today nails this by pointing out that with the Columbia imbroglio the left has been hoisted by its own petard:

.It shouldn’t have been necessary to invite Ahmadinejad to Columbia to get the left half of America’s political spectrum speaking more honestly about the challenge we face in Iran. The evidence to justify Bollinger’s remarks was available well before Ahmadinejad spoke, and Bollinger himself pointedly predicted that there would be little in the way of a serious or substantive reply forthcoming. Yet the unfortunate fact is that it took a naive invitation from the academic left, followed by biting criticism from the right, to finally elicit an honest acknowledgment of the truth. Dialogue and debate really do work, but the dialogue that counted most was our own–not the shadow-play with Ahmadinejad.

Petey, very few people on what yahoos refer to as "the left" are under any illusions about Iran. It's a theological hellhole. What it isn't is a massive threat to the West. You neocons can keep trying to make the case for yet another unnecessary war, but the fact that you haven't been able to manage the two you already have is going to make it much harder this time around.

Of course you no longer care what the American people think about this issue, do you? The Bushpigs are out in 2009 no matter what happens. And so you're all hoping for one more orgy of murder before they go.

Damn your eyes.

speaking more honestly about the challenge we face in Iran.

to finally elicit an honest acknowledgment of the truth.

You mean, the truth that the neocons were "hoisted by their own petard" in Iraq and are now shamelessly, desperately trying to change the subject to Iran?

I'm sure that's what he meant.

I don't personally didn't see the event... but after reading comments of everyone else it is safe to conclude that people in the United States are misinformed about Iran. These political leaders talk as if they have lived there and breathed the air of Iran, but they know nothing of it. They sit and argue about how Iran this and how Iran that, but really what are we trying to prove to Iran???? We need to look at our own government and stop trying to think we are better than everyone else, because we are not. I personally think Ahmadinejad is doing good in talking to different leaders of different countries whether hostile or not. Bush on the other hand will put his tail in between his legs and not even face a challenge. Anyhow... thats just my view.

Thanks for that content-free view, frank.

Bollinger didn't invite Ahmedinejad because he wanted academic debate, or for freedom of speech or anything. Bollinger is total publicity junkie, and he invited him for the headlines. Then he panicked, saw his future political ambitions in danger, and so came out with his introductory remarks. If he really wanted to promote thought and understanding about Iran, he would have held intensive, small-scale seminars with experts, not this daft live-event talk-show circus.

"Bollinger's personal motivations for inviting A'jad, whatever they might have been and however unsavory, do not speak to the rightness or wrongness of the Iranian president's presence at Columbia in theory."

Right. On general principle, a university should be able to invite a foreign dignitary, even a controversial one, to deliver a talk on their campus. The specifics of this event and the motivations of the individuals involved (which seem to have involved both parties trying to score some face time on CNN) are an entirely separate matter.

"It shouldn’t have been necessary to invite Ahmadinejad to Columbia to get the left half of America’s political spectrum speaking more honestly about the challenge we face in Iran."

The left half of America's political spectrum has hardly ignored Iran, and Stanley Kurtz is hardly in any position to accuse anyone else of speaking less-than-honestly about Iran.

When I wrote of Iran, "It's a theological hellhole,"
I meant "theocratic." Oops.

So we found out that Ahmadinejad is as dumb as Bush. What else did we get?

Wow. Conservatives in this country really do like to live with their heads in the sand these days. Nobody who was present at the event could possibly claim that Ahmadinejad came out looking just as good as he did at the start and that Bollinger was played the fool.

I don't know when standing up to dictators to their faces became something that we no longer do in this country - would Gorbachev responding that "Mr. President, we also seek reunification of the German people under the appropriate conditions of peace and prosperity" really have vacated the effect of Reagan's challenge to "Tear down this wall"? The fact that the Soviets could not tear down the wall - and we had stated it crystal clear that we wanted it down - was telling and moving for world opinion, as was the fact that Ahmadinejad really had no answer to the charges leveled at him.

We went terribly wrong somewhere, and the change from that era to this one reflects it.

None of you have spoke honestly about Iran, you have all followed the war drums. Do you need to prove you're tough on security because you're on the left? What about the actions that justify and motivate the threat against our nation. Do any of you understand the condition of true security? Can you people realize that Iran has not waged wars like America and Israel have? Israel and America are military industry buddies bound by the profits of war. Israel was founded by 1/3 of the lands population, by force with the US and UK backing them to rule over the remaining 2/3, because we didn't want the soviets to have the influence there. We called that land grab a "democracy" because the 1/3 that rules by military force gets to vote. Of course the nation we live in should never be considered a threat, but countries like Iran that America supported a war of aggression against should be considered the biggest threat in the world!

Good job holding your own against the Conservatives folks, stand strong and buy the next war to impress the idiots, just fall in line and follow the herd, all I see here are sheep. This is our future?

Research people, and get off the emotions so you can think rationally. Read a little about Edward Bernays and war, and think about what the most expensive things anyone could ever buy would be. Ask your government if anyone is making a buck off the weapons we buy. Think about reactions to violence, like "Shock and Awe" as a response to 911, should we expect to be the only ones to react to being attacked? There is no security in violence, only risks, casualties, and reactions. Anyone ever consider that security isn't the motivation behind the medias drive to war?

Any American or Israeli, standing at the brink, catapulting moral stones in the direction of Iran needs to take a long, hard look in the closet of their collective foreign policies.
Columbia University president Bollinger embarassed himself, his university and the American people when he invited the leader of a nation to speak at Columbia University and then hurled insults at the man in his opening statements. That's not how I was brought up. I daresay that is not how Mr. Bollinger was brought up either.

we all know Mr Bollinger's cheap talk was more about politics than concern for human rights. Or probably he was just trying to save his job. Would US allow similar reception to the king of Saudi Arabia? Or would Mr Bollinger be willing to Invite the king to Columbia and repeat his act?
You don't insult a guest. Thats uncivilized.

M A'jad may be unlikeable but this guy has the balls to stand up to nuclear powers and there is nothing they can do (Mr Bush dealt him a nice hand already!).

There is something very simple called root cause analysis that I think eludes many.

Why does Iran want a bomb?

Why are Americans hated around the world?

Why is one monarch, who beheads people, good and an elected president (pls dont say its the way elections are held in Iran, the same people elected khatami) who does it bad?

Nicely spoken Raymond.

Now I'm hearing the voice of the America I'm proud of. This game of emotions and personal attacks coming from the far right is ridiculous. I can not believe grow adults act like that. I also can't believe that intelligent and rational people let the far right dictate reality to them. Grow some stones and stand up for logic and reason, call these people on their crap. Iran isn't attacking anyone, the far right is. Don't play into their game, Republican "security" puts American at risk of attacks that no military can defend us from. If we are going to put an end to violence, we need to start by keeping the force of our military out of the hands of the far right.

If you put all the American and Iranian ego- issues aside Ahmadinajad provided one useful key finding at Columbia we couldn't have gotten otherwise. He has a closed mind-set and doesn't take in new information. He is as rigid and like all the revolutionary gaurd, projects their own demons on the rest of us, especially America as its the perfect Satan for them. In fundamentalist religions, projection of a paranoid nature is key. The clerical leadership in Iran works hand and glove with the revolutionary gaurd. And they both control the regular government. Any challenge to their views internally or externally is a direct threat to their belief's on how to hold power. It directly threatens them. You can't reason with them on this as they will only view that with the utmost paranoia. Its a convienent closed-loop system. So I don't know why Europe or the US or anybody thinks negotiations or sanctions will work as thier parnoia over-rides all. They know that an atom bomb will give them a lot of power and you can bet its command and control won't go to the regular military. They have gamed this out and are not going to suddenly be rationale as we see it. His true power base lies with those who want the bomb, not the people. That is why he has ignored his campaign promises to improve the Iranian economy and solely focused on the atom project. This is just one more example of an artificially installed government(just review how the clergy controls the election process and who gets to run) using the country it takes over to build its own empire or enrich itself. Even in our country the two parties control the election process and force their selections on the people with a combination of money, media, and exclusion of non-party candidates. This is where we become irrational claiming we have a free democracy of the people when in reality its a tightly run ship with the same two families of the same two parties controlling our presidency for the past 20 years and soon to be 28 years if Hillary gets elected. And each time the country gets sick of them half way through their terms, only to elect the other half back again. How can this possible be a free open democracy in a country of near 300 million people. Anyways Bush could pick one war after Afghanistan and he chose Iraq. The Iranians are seeing us stumble and smell an historic opening to leverage their position over their arch enemy-us.

Brian Stewart wrote "...Ahmadinajad provided one useful key finding at Columbia we couldn't have gotten otherwise. He has a closed mind-set and doesn't take in new information...."
Wasn't that a typo old boy? Didn't you mean to say ".....Bollinger provided one useful key finding at Columbia we couldn't have gotten otherwise. He has a closed mind-set and doesn't take in new information..."?

As for "....So I don't know why Europe or the US or anybody thinks negotiations or sanctions will work as thier parnoia over-rides all." It is thanks to attitudes like yours, that thousands of Vietnamese were Napalmed, raped and murdered by American policies, think of the screaming women and children, and give youself a good ole American pat on the back. Brian! Ever heard the phrase "first seek to understand, then be understood?" Dialogue is the only thing we have left - long term negotiations are the only chance we have left. The trouble is, Americans expect completely different cultures to behave like, well, Americans, and expect it to be at the drop of a hat. That's never going to be the case. Things take time, and not presidential terms or campaigning terms!

Finally - "They know that an atom bomb will give them a lot of power and you can bet its command and control won't go to the regular military" Yes, we were very responsible grown ups here, (just look at what we did to those pesky Japanese,) and that means the US, and ONLY the US can have big bombs!

While ignorant people like you have a voice, the world doesn't stand a chance!!

Well Andrew you sound pretty grandiose yourself!!!Its fine to have an independent take on things, but why scold the one your apparently trying to talk to. Oh, that gets us back to the grandiose part. Or rudeness, or lack of manners, or a juice to brew, or need to flog. Why don't you grow up and try and develop a cogent argument suitable of a real thinking adult old boy. But I will admit you sure got the demonizing thing down!! So I guess that makes you the unignorant one. Its still true about your buddy Ahmadinajad, he just doesn't take in new information. Oh, by the way, I was listening to an interview from the French foreign minister today and he said that while France has made proposals to Iran including providing assistance to a civilian nuclear progam, they have never gotten a reply. So they made it again and again and Iran hasn't even given a diplomatic reply. So what is that?

Oh Brian "old boy!" I was wrong and you you right! We really SHOULD be taking the lead in world politics! After all, our sweeping under the carpet of displaced New Orleans residents, 47 Million nationals without health insurance, torturing of innocent civilians - murdering of those lucky enough to escape torture, private contractors paid absurd amounts to go overseas and kill innocent civilians, press-gang type recruitment and contract extensions of our own troops who meanwhile can't afford to feed their own families due to the private profiteering, support of gun laws that kill our citizens, high school and university students going postal because of the extreme and hopeless pressure they feel as a result of our own greedy economic policies, xenephobia, a constitution and legal system that serves you as long as you can afford the price, etc etc etc! Yes! What a great nation of World class leaders we are!
All supported by nuts like you who still stand in your church every Sunday and ask for forgiveness for your cruelty, and tell yourself that you live in the greatest country in the world.
Brian, if your own point of view is the only one you understand, then you really don't understand it at all. Thank goodness US government policies and Wall St greed will soon retrench your job to China, no doubt. You'll just have to sell your gun, use your flag for winter clothing, and for the first time in your little picket fenced life really find out what suffering is, old boy!

Gee Andrew, you just conglommed the whole negative things the left is always harping about in one wad of chewing gum and stuck it in the center of the table. I still don't see any hint of an independent fresh analysis of anything here. Its all just old canned peas and corn, properly demonized, cursed, and blammed for the ills of modern peridontal disease. I still say ahmadinajad is no free thinking person's friend. How you suddenly take that as a conglom rant beats me. By the way I think it was psychosis that set off the Virginia thing, not simply pressures to succeed. Your talking points are too muddy, and more venom than anything analytic. Did you get them from casting central? What you numbingly think I am a neocon repub just because I see ahmadinajad for what he is?

Brian, I'm sorry that my comments were a litle too complex for you to comprehend.
I'll simplify them for you - People who live in glass-houses, should not throw stones at other's!
If you look back at your Holier-than-thou diatribe, attacking Ahmadinajad for the very same thing that Bollinger was blatantly guilty of was fairly idiotic. Thus, you deserved some of those oh so gleeming windows of yours to be broken, using the very same stones.
As for the terrible VA-Tech incident, yes it was probably psychosis, very clever of you for once!Did you care to think though, that psychosis is symptomatic of a cause? What about those probable causes affecting our population, not least younger people, nowadays?
No, I thought not! The fact that your generation is still so smug in it's blind, ignorant voting choices speaks volumes about how little you care for future generations, who will doubtless be left helplessly defending the bloody history you have made!
I assume that all is well in the Dingly Dell in which you live dear, deluded Brian!

Andrew, I heartily recommend you stick with a decent thomas's English Muffin as whatever you're putting in your feed has made you uber-kranky!

Brian, I'm not sure why you even suggested it, but you ought to have gathered the futility of such a gesture by now - I simply don't eat what people like you try to "feed" the World Mr.Stewart! Thank you anyway.

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