« The Base Is Restless | Main | Reducing the Abortion Rate »

Christians and the Constitution

17 Oct 2007 10:34 am

Andrew, in the midst of an engaging Cato Unbound dialogue with Mark Lilla, Philip Jenkins, and Damon Linker:

America is substantively and experientially a deeply religious country, and its political discourse has always been saturated with religious rhetoric and imagery ... It is a country whose politics is experientially creedal. It doesn't incubate the kind of high Tory pragmatism that I admire in the English experience; or even the kind of atheist secularism that helped spawn socialism in other developed countries in the twentieth century. But the power of that religious presence — I call it “Christianism” and describe it at length in The Conservative Soul — is in many ways a testament to the strength of the secular constitution that resists it. In fact, I think that without the kind of secularism that Mark detects in the founding documents and Constitution, America would long since have succumbed to some version of theocracy or another.

Mark's basic point is that this is the natural and historical state for humankind. The achievement of keeping God at arm's length in the ordering structure of a polity is very, very rare. Very few countries have achieved it in the history of the world. America's genius is to have sustained it, even while fostering an intensely religious, roiling, and often apocalyptic culture. So Damon is right to worry about theology's political claims — especially in the last few years, and during various spasms of the past. But he is wrong in thinking, I believe, that this will lead to a collapse of the American system as such. It could lead to disastrous social policies, civil dissension, social conflict, and what we have come to call a "culture war." But even then, the impulse to junk the Constitution as a whole, and the ability even to amend it, is limited. In fact, it is remarkable how modest many Christian fundamentalists have been in addressing the Constitution's core secularism. Whether out of national pride or simply denial, it remains a fact that the main policy goals of Christianists in American history has been in amending the Constitution or bypassing it, rather than attacking it frontally.

I think the sheer diversity of religious belief and institutions in the U.S. would make the possibility of an American theocracy pretty remote, whatever our constitution looked like - particularly given that the number of theocracies instituted in the nation-states of the modern West as a whole is close to zero. (It's pretty close to zero for the pre-modern West, for that matter.) It’s possible to imagine a much more politically fragmented North America producing some localized theocracies, along the lines of Deseret and Puritan New England, but on a national level .. not so much.

I'm more sympathetic to the rest of Andrew's comments here, but it's precisely the aspects of American political history that he gets right - particularly the resilience of the constitutional order in spite (or because!) of the persistence of God-infused political activity - that makes his promiscuous use of scare-terms like “Christianist” so silly. The fact that religious conservatives, with the occasional exception, share the same commitment to the Constitution as liberal believers and secularists – and that much of the culture war, from abortion to school prayer to gay marriage, boils down an argument between two perfectly lucid, un-theocratic readings of said Constitution – and that if anything, the religious right tends to be more committed to upholding the actual text of the Constitution than their more secular foes – well, all of these points suggest, at the very least, that constantly slinging around terms that effectively equate James Dobson with a shari’a-happy Islamist might not be the most accurate way to analyze the intersection of religion and politics in the contemporary United States.

Also, you should definitely read Jonathan Rowe's critique of the Lilla thesis, which is helpfully linked from the Cato Unbound page. I'll try to say something more about the issues it raises later on.

Comments (8)

With all due respect to these characters, has any of them ever undertaken a disciplined study of how symbols or ideas govern individual or collective behavior? Not one of them is a student of the sociology or social psychology of political life. THREE of them are intellectual historians (employed respectively as a professor, a journalist, and a troll under a bridge over the Delaware River), one a law professor-manque, and one a general historian whose writings are remarkably voluminous and varied (which suggests to the dyspeptic among us that his bibliographies ought to be examined for their quanta of primary sources). With Dr. Jenkins a possible exception, it is difficult to believe that any have the conceptual tools or skill to ascertain the degree of influence of ambient religious ideas on political phenomena when compared with any other conceivable influence. Could we not here from someone who knows something these guys do not?

Ross,

"religious conservatives, with the occasional exception, share the same commitment to the Constitution as liberal believers and secularists... much of the culture war... boils down an argument between two perfectly lucid, un-theocratic readings of said Constitution – and... if anything, the religious right tends to be more committed to upholding the actual text of the Constitution than their more secular foes"

Sorry, that's not correct. "No state shall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The 14th Amendments is as much a part of the Constitution as the rest of it, and I don't believe for a minute that the religious conservatives who want gays treated as second-class citizens are no more than the 'occasional exception.'

As for the 'actual text' bit, I presume you refer to the Bill of Rights and its apparent reference only to the national government? Well, guess what - in 1868 the Constitution was changed and it now reads "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States." No, that's not crystal clear, and yes it requires some interpretation, but incorporation doctrine is well settled at this point, and is perfectly justified (if not inarguably required) by the text, as amended. In no sense could people who claim the 1st Amendment doesn't limit the states be called "more committed to upholding the text" of the present-day Constitution than their opponents.

And in general, I'm certain that for millions of religious conservatives, their fealty to the Constitution extends only so far as their (frequently mistaken) conviction that it enshrines their religious precepts. The document that people think exists, the document that appears to be applied in the Texas panhandle, and the document that actually exists are three different things.

Navigator:

Gee, thanks for clearing up the meaning of the 14th amendment. I had no idea it was that simple. I'll alert the federal courts that it has all been settled.

Here is my opinion of the Christian Right

I see another religious abuse scandal coming- it isn't sexual, but its activity parallels in harmfulness

It was difficult enough when the Catholic sexual abuse scandal came out. People who were supposed to be the most trusted took sexual advantage of children. To made matters worse parishioners knowingly covered it up.

The consequences of the sexual abuse were severe. First there was the initial suffering the children endured. Then there was the economic hardship imposed on the Church. Finally there was the suffering the children and others endured after the initial abuse. Many were shunned for speaking out. Others turned to drinking, drugs, sexual promiscuity, and even suicide.

In the Catholic Church, Protecting God's Children, a program to educate about the signs of abuse was made a requirement for anyone working around children. The program was designed to help educate about sexual abuse and what signs to look for in the victim and the abuser. That should have been the end of things, but another form of abuse and cover up actively crept into Christianity. It was psychological abuse.

Psychological abuse might sound vague at first, but when one begins to look at psychological abuse on the level of what blacks endured during slavery or Jews endured during Hitler's reign, it is a little easier to comprehend. These incidents were a type of psychological abuse done on a coordinated group level to cleanse society and keep people in their place. Today instead of blacks and Jews it is homosexuals, abortionists, and others that need to be cleansed and Muslims and others who need to be kept in their place.

As a result of these viewpoints, two very, very different psychological abuse patterns have escalated in society.

First, instead of looking at the behavior and actions of homosexuals and abortionists as a manifestation of a past abuse, similar to the actions of those abused by Catholics who were mentioned earlier, many are unable to look beyond the signs of abuse – of drinking, drugs, sexual promiscuity, suicide, homosexuality, and abortions to face the initial psychological abuse as the cause. Then when the abused victims act out their suffering they are getting abused a second time, this time by people trying to cleanse society.

The second is an entirely different perspective. Rather than looking at homosexuality and people of the Muslim faith as a difference to be accepted such as people of the Jewish faith or people with black skin color, the natural difference whether it is skin color or sexual orientation or the freedom to hold a different religious belief, the difference is seen as the problem. Then when these new differences became a strong focus a segregated society and all the problems that go with it began to be created in America.

A new path needs to be taken because these two patterns only foster additional turmoil. An inspiring model is the way the Catholic Church successfully faced their issue and brought about a healthy openness and awareness of sexual abuse and prevention through the Protecting God's Children program. Christianity as a whole needs to adopt a similar method to bring about a healthy openness and awareness of psychological abuse, its consequences, and its prevention. In 2008, I hope we elect someone to do this.

As a term "Christianist" might fit a small group of Dominionists, but otherwise is a sloppy term. Few of the Christian Right seem to have an agreed upon concept of "Christian law" that should remake all of society. Yet all Islamists, by this I mean the Islamist political parties and not necessarily terrorists, agree that some interpretation of "Islamic law" should become the sole law of society.

Also as far as I know "No state shall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" is applied to gays and I doubt many on the Christian Right realistically think that can change. Gays can run newspapers, found their own churches, own guns, don't have to quarter soldiers in peace time, have a right to a speedy trial with a jury, can't be subject to cruel and unusual punishment, can't have their homes searched without a warrant, can't be held as slaves, can vote for US Senator, do not pay any tax on voting, buy alcohol at 21, and just generally can vote at 18. I might be missing a few Amendments, but I don't think many Christians expect or even desire that they'd lose those rights.

First, no, the religious right doesn't show greater fidelity to the text of the Constitution. Certainly not the equal protection clause, as noted above. And certainly not the establishment clause either. Or the religious test clause.

Second, Ross doth protest too much about "Christianist". He needs to put himself in the place of Andrew, i.e., imagine he is a gay male. Now, you have a religious constituency trying to deny you all sorts of government benefits-- big ones, too, such as the right to adopt children, the right to serve in the military, and the right to bring the love of your life to this country to live with you. And why? Because they think that God-- a being whom nobody really is really sure exists-- allegedly said that sleeping with someone of the same gender is wrong.

Or put yourself in the place of a person who advocates a Palestinian state. You have a religious constituency trying to keep the Middle East in perpetual war so that Israel can hold onto the West Bank because this same hypothesized God allegedly "gave" the land to the Israelites (i.e., Jews and their descendants).

Or put yourself in the place of a woman who wants an abortion or to go to a pharmacy to purchase contraception, and can't get the abortion or contraception because the hypothetical God allegedly said that these things are sinful.

What Andrew is complaining about is the attempt to use the awesome power of the state to enforce an alleged God's alleged laws on earth. And criticizing this is perfectly legitimate.

I'M STILL WAITING FOR ROSS DOUTHAT TO DEFEND THE TRUTH CLAIMS OF HIS RELIGION.

buy cheap meds online viagra