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The Safe Choice

24 Oct 2007 03:38 pm

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I agree with Jonah that a Hillary candidacy offers certain advantages to the GOP; I'm just not sure that this means the Democrats would be wrong to nominate her. As I've probably said before, Hillary may not be the best choice for the Democrats, but she's definitely the safest; I think nominating her more or less guarantees the party 48 percent of the vote, since she's sufficiently tested and savvy and all the rest of it to make a Dukakis or Dole-style wipeout almost completely unimaginable. And in a year when things will (probably) be going the Democrats' way anyway, there's a lot to be said for nominating a known quantity and assuming that, in spite of what Jonah rightly calls the "irreducible core" of anti-Hillary sentiment, the political landscape alone will ensure that her guaranteed 48 percent rises to 51-53 percent by November '08. Whereas Obama and to a lesser extent Edwards both have a higher ceiling, but also a much lower floor, since neither has been through the fire already the way Hillary has (indeed, Obama has never run against significant GOP opposition of any kind), and either one could flame out disastrously in the heat of a general-election campaign.

In the next Atlantic, Andrew has a long and (to my mind) largely persuasive piece making the case that Obama, out of the candidates running, is the most likely to be a truly transformational figure in American politics, carrying us past the polarization of the Baby Boom era into whatever's waiting on the other side. But the flip side of this is that Obama could also be a disaster as a general-election candidate in a way that Hillary almost certainly couldn't be - and for a Democratic Party that sees the next election as theirs to lose, the risk-reward calculus probably militates in her favor.

In a semi-related vein, I liked Ramesh's "one term for McCain" idea when he floated it months back, and I still like it now that he's re-issued it.

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Comments (18)

This analysis is bogus and i am not voting for the save choice rather than the best candidate. Save choice has killed us in the last 2 presidential election.

Bill Clinton's election is not a save choice and if you think Hillary Clinton 48% is a guranteed think again. As always, pundicts are wrong 100% of the time.

I also like Ramesh's "one-term for McCain" idea. Perhaps if it gets to December and McCain is still unable to break through and pass Rudy and Romney, he can use a one-term pledge to help push him over the top.

Or maybe it won't work. What do I know?

Ross, couldn't you have written similar things about Kerry in 2004? Certainly Democrats thought he was the safe choice, but he wasn't at all. Can we really say that Howard Dean-- who would have been able to go after Bush full-throttle on Iraq while also touting his gubernatorial record-- would have done worse than Kerry?

It may seem very Lewis Carroll to say this, but there is nothing "safe" about going for the "safe" choice.

Right, because as a "Nation" we need to make sure our Democratic party only goes for the mediocre "safe" candidate. Aren't we better than this? Aren't we supposed to aim high and elect true leaders? I'd rather bet on a baseball player who has been in the league for a few years that it is batting .350 versus a veteran who has seen their prime and is consistently batting .200. To spell it out for you, Obama is a better choice because of his ability to take our country and our world to a better place, whereas Clinton will merely keep us in neutral and accomplish very little.

I'm ready for a hero and a champion instead of the tired incrementalism of our recent past. You can take your mediocrity and remove it from the Democratic party. Or as I truly feel, and shove it up the Democratic Donke...err...Ass!

I also like Ramesh's "one-term for McCain" idea. Perhaps if it gets to December and McCain is still unable to break through and pass Rudy and Romney, he can use a one-term pledge to help push him over the top.

Yes, the old "I promise to only annoy you for four years with my crazy foolishness" is a sure winner.

Can everybody please just stop? The Dole-full looks of longing (see what I did there? It's totally funny) of the other candidates, in both parties, are just sad and embarrassing. It's Hillary in '09. A Clinton Restoration. Let the anointing begin.

I guess I have to wait for the article to know all, but maybe you could give us a hint about what we're going to be transformed into?

"she's sufficiently tested and savvy"

This is absurd. When has she been tested? Two joke Senate races? Hillarycare/Iraq? Those were complete and utter political/policy failures, if I remember correctly.

Oh and she showed the brilliant judgement to let her brother bribe his way into pardons for his friend! Yeah, she's a keeper - the safe choice - let's give her the keys!

McCain's immigration stance is a general election liability.

You totally underestimate the left wing if you think that. WE WILL NOT NOT NOT vote for the Democrat who almost singlehandedly gave Bush all the cover he needed for his misguided war from 2003 until about, oh, 6 months ago. Then, when she wanted our votes, she dtarted pandering to us by bashing Bush. She's a liar. She's nothing but a liar. We on the left will never be convinced that she is truly with us after Iraq. Never. The potential for the country to decide they don't want a restoration of the Clinton Monarchy and for her to become a Mondale-style disaster is ABSOLUTELY there. She is not safe. She is not good. She is an unmittigated disaster.

And the DLC should think about that before they start rigging the primaries in her favor.

All this chummy Atlantic intertextuality is touching in its way -- you work in a nod to Sullivan's forthcoming piece, he links to this from the Daily Dish, where he even more shamelessly plugs his own piece, and so on, and so forth. The cumulative effect must be to foment a breathless expectancy among members of the Sullivan-Obama fan club. As for the rest of us, we'll give Sullivan's cheerleading a miss because we know already that it will amount to an earnestly conducted tour of Atlantis, with Sullivan drooling and fawning as he makes his appointed rounds. (outsideofenough.blogspot.com)

How about no terms for McCain: because it's all about the Supreme Court, and he would appoint more clunky right-wing clods. Gay and lesbian voters, and their friends, should note that Lawrence v. Texas, the landmark decision that states may not criminalize private, consensual sex between same-sex partners, is hanging by a 5-4 vote. One more judge like Roberts or Alito, and that case gets reversed.

I'm going to throw my hat in with everyone else saying "I don't want a safe candidate. I want a candidate not from a family dynasty who is willing to really lead this country and make needed changes." I don't want Hillary to get the nom. We can do better.

First, your analysis of the risks involved simply does not address the real drivers of general election success. We know that electoral experience (or "savvy" if you prefer) is not what matters when the opposing party tries to beat your candidate by driving up your candidate's negatives. What matters is the likability of your candidate, because that is what determines whether the mud sticks or instead creates a backlash against the people attacking your candidate.

For example, that is the real contrast to draw between Bill Clinton and Dukakis: Dukakis was not somehow less electorally experienced (or "savvy") than Bill. He was just much, much less likable. The same goes for Bill versus Al Gore: Gore was much less likable. And that is why nominating your party's least likable candidate (regardless of their claimed electoral experience) is not only highly risky, but borderline irrational: it ignores what actually matters in electoral success (likability), in favor of a factor only pundits actually care about (so-called "savvy").

Second, even if it was somehow true that Hillary Clinton was a safe bet to pull off 48-52% of the vote, there are a lot of different ways to get to those percentages. And it is a good bet she would get there by running up the score among Democrats, rather than attracting many crossover voters or a large share of independents.

To be sure, in an election where the Democrats enjoy a significant party identification edge, that could be a winning strategy for her. But that also has very serious implications for the rest of the Democratic ticket, because they could end up squeaking out a Presidential win while at the same time giving up many of their gains from the 2006 election.

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