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You're What's Wrong the GOP. No, You Are.

23 Oct 2007 09:16 am

Let's drill down a bit in the Erick Erickson analysis I mentioned yesterday:

While the media has been filled with stories about the socons ready to bolt from the GOP if Rudy is the nominee, the real story and the untold story is that the business community is even more ready to bolt from the GOP. For the last eight years they've watched as the socons have scored every significant win on the right — stem cells, judges, etc. Only against Labor have the fiscal guys scored wins. But there have been no budget cuts, no culling of pork, steel subsidies, etc.

The fiscal guys see the writing on the wall. They see Hillary's position. And they are just about ready to cut a deal. And then you have the Republican libertarians who are just about ready to really vote for Ron Paul, doing to the GOP in 2008 what Ralph Nader voters did for the Democrats in 2000.

Of course social conservatives could argue it exactly in reverse, pointing out that stem cells and Terri Schiavo were symbolic gestures with little practical import; that Bush invested far more political capital in his (successful) first-term tax cuts and and his (failed) second-term push for Social Security reform than he ever did in, say, the stillborn push for a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage; and that the GOP Congress passed bill after bill larded with giveaways for various favored industries. (Those conservative judges Bush appointed tend to be relatively business-friendly as well.) Obviously, the various interest groups in the "fiscal con" coalition - business interests, supply-siders, deficit hawks, and libertarians - have policy goals that cut in different directions, and the latter two groups, in particular, have plenty of cause for disappointment with Bush. But it's far from clear that the last six years have been a net win for the social right and a net loss for everybody else in the coalition; it might be more accurate to say that both social conservatives and small-government conservatives have taken a back seat to supply-siders and business interests.

Meanwhile, a friend writes:

I find it fascinating that the major players in the Republican coalition, the SoCons and FiscalCons, instead of attacking the neo-cons and hawks, are spending their time fighting with each other.

It's true: As in the Cold War, foreign-policy hawkishness has become the glue holding the fragile GOP coalition together, even as Iraq has made foreign policy a general-election liability for the Right, instead of the asset it was in the Reagan years. Which is one way to explain the weird aftermath of the '06 debacle, in which social conservatives and fiscal conservatives each blamed one another for the defeat, when it was perfectly clear that the Iraq War had more to do the party's degringolade than the corruption of the small-government movement or the excesses of the religious right.

Update: I should note that the title of this post owes a substantial debt to the Dougherty Doctrine, which holds that all debates about the future of the GOP boil down to the following: "If it were more like me, the Republican Party would be better off. It’s failing because it’s like you."

Comments (13)

Of course social conservatives could argue it exactly in reverse, pointing out that stem cells and Terri Schiavo were symbolic gestures with little practical import;

That they nontheless championed aggresively.

"degringolade"? What the hell?

I don't know if it's is the social conservatives so much as the Southern conservatives, though the two appear to be pretty intertwined from the outside.

I continue to be amazed at how the Terri Schiavo case is trotted out as proof that the Christian right has accrued too much power and must be cut off.

With a Republican president and Congress, and in a state with the president's brother as governor, Christian conservatives launched an ultimately unsuccessful effort to not remove a feeding tube from a dying woman, as desired by her husband, who was not a terribly sympathetic character. They ultimately failed, and the feeding tube was removed, and cops were brought in to make sure that people willing to care for her could not do so.

And this proves how dangerously powerful the religous right is???

Ross, the world awaits your comments on the new episode of bh.tv, in which your perennial target for over-politicizing her reviews, Dana Stevens, reveals that she hated Rendition, In the Valley of Elah, and The Kingdom - mostly for being too liberal on Iraq. Do you have a new fellow traveler in the struggle against Hollywood's political agenda?

http://bloggingheads.tv/video.php?id=432

I couldn't agree more.

Of course, foreign policy is inherently more partisan, since while you can imagine free-markets or traditional social values surviving under divided government or legislative gridlock, a specific foreign policy preference is always going to need the presence of a political leader to steer it at every moment.

As a result, foreign policy folks are the policy group that are least willing to allow themselves to be distanced and detached from the party institutions in bad times.

...and rival groups know this, so their only possible option is to cross to the other party -- rather than to seek to usurp and challenge them from within.

Voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primary will NOT "do to the GOP what Nader did to the Democrates".

Ron Paul has stated repeatedly in public that he has no plans to run as a third party or independent candidate. Unlike many of the candidates, he has a track record of doing what he says he's going to do.

Is this the ballyhooed realignment of politcial parties? Where liberals and business conservatives unite under a new democrat party and labor and social conservatives unite under a new republican party? Oh boy won't the democrats love that!

Well it looks like the globalists have succeeded in turning America into a Chinese gulag, where statist control and socialism is the rule. What's left for those of us who would abolish the income tax and the federal reserve? Perhaps we should leave the country, take our wealth, and settle freer places, and let the fiat empire choke on its lifeblood.

I continue to be amazed at how the Terri Schiavo case is trotted out as proof that the Christian right has accrued too much power and must be cut off.

No, it's trotted out as proof that the Christian right has too much influence in the Republican party, as demonstrated by the party's whole crazed reaction to the situation. It's not at issue whether they succeeded or failed; it's that they got involved to the extent they did in the first place.

So we got involved, but weren't able to accomplish anything on a very small issue. We suecceeded in delaying the removal of the feeding tube by a couple days. Obviously, we Must Be Stopped.

Meanwhile, the president just vetoed a very popular bill for health insurance for children. In that debate, we were treated to the gleeful trashing of families that benefit from the program from conservative commentators. It was also another occasion for the ever popular, "Conservatives only care about babies until they're born" refrain. Makes Republicans look real good to those swing voters.

But the Republican's probelm is that social conservatives are so powerful that with Republicans in all the key positions, they were able to delay removing a feeding tube by a couple days.

Yeah, that's the problem.

degringolade? Really Ross?

Who in your educational instruction would have ever allowed you to use such an absurdly pretentious word?

Make you sound like a priggish ass.

Of course social conservatives could argue it exactly in reverse, pointing out that stem cells and Terri Schiavo were symbolic gestures with little practical import;

They were symbolic gestures - but the clear implication is that you can't toss the social right symbolic bones forever, sooner or later they're going to demand more than that. You can't keep stringing them along with "Sure we're all opposed to abortion" without ultimately making serious legislative attempts to abolish it. Schiavo and stem cells were the last exits before the toll booth, and I think fiscal conservatives realized it.