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Lou Dobbs For President

16 Nov 2007 09:43 am

John Fund, in the WSJ:

Friends of Mr. Dobbs say he is seriously contemplating a race for the first time, although it's still unlikely. They spin a scenario under which the acerbic commentator would parachute into the race if Michael Bloomberg, the New York billionaire and favorite of East Coast elites, enters the field as an independent. With Hillary Clinton continuing to score badly in polls in the categories of honesty and integrity, and with the public's many doubts about Rudy Giuliani and other GOP contenders, Mr. Bloomberg may well see an opportunity to roil the political waters by entering the race late. If so, Mr. Dobbs then sees a niche for a "fourth-party" candidate who could paint the three other contenders as completely out of touch.

The idea of a Bloomberg candidacy in a Rudy-Hillary race has always baffled me (as opposed to, say, a Huckabee-Edwards race, where it would make a certain sense), since the Mayor's ideological niche would already be more or less filled by the major-party candidates; he'd have his billions, sure, but no compelling justification for his candidacy. But a Lou Dobbs candidacy, particularly in a four-way race, makes a lot more sense. And it's worth noting that Ben Smith, who wrote the best piece on why Bloomberg would be a lousy third-party candidate for TNR (it's vanished into their renovated archives, so far as I can tell), got there first:

The people who study third parties, however, are skeptical that Bloomberg would resonate with the typical third-party voter--not a New Yorker who likes his mayor but a voter in Utah or Maine (the two states where Perot finished second) who is suspicious of her government. According to Ronald Rapoport and Walter Stone, authors of a new study of Perot's politics, Three's a Crowd, Perot's appeal came as much from his specific positions that had been abandoned by both parties--he was for a nationalistic cocktail of isolationism, libertarianism, budget-balancing, and rolling back free trade--as it did from his outsider, reformist stance. But the kind of third-party discussion that animates Manhattan dinner parties has, oddly, ignored the one issue that candidates actually have failed to address. "The issue of immigration is the issue on which a third party could form," Rapoport says. "The third party on immigration is the party which says, 'Send them back.'"

..."If you were going to ask me who represents the Perot voter," he says, "Lou Dobbs comes a lot closer than Bloomberg."

Now it seems like Dobbs might be thinking the same way.

Comments (22)


I've never heard of Lou Dobbs before. what are his positions on abortion?

More than anything else, America needs an alternative party which can support the weak and oppressed both in and out of the womb. We need a party that stands up simultaneously for unborn children, for Mexican migrants, for welfare mothers, for the natural environment that reflects the beauty of God, and for the lives of Iraqi civilians and others who are crushed by American power. If Mr. Dobbs is another pro-choice candidate, then he doesn't really bring anything new to the table. After all, next year's election is probably going to be run between a conservative Democrat from New York and a liberal Republican from New York whose positions on abortion are almost indistinguishable.

A party which was centrist on economics, liberal on the environment and foreign policy, and conservative on abortion would be a party that could actually win elections. It would probably be much more conservative than I would like, but I would vote for them. Support for abortion is losing ground in America, and pro-life causes are popular among the young. If the Democrats remain the party of abortion (which they weren't as late as the mid-80s) they will remain perennially the opposition party.

If Lou Dobbs were looking to start an anti-immigrant political party, The New Know-Nothings would be a catchy name. Then again, it would also be the perfect name for a really crappy NYC indie rock band.

The two major parties have been fighting over a fairly narrow patch of turf for some time now, and I think the general public dissatisfaction with the trajectory of American politics reflects this. Most democracies tend to feature half a dozen or so parties with significant public support, forming shifting ad hoc coalitions to achieve a majority. We have the demand for a Christian Democrat party, a nativist anti-immigrant party, a small-L libertarian party, a progressive/social democratic party, a Green party, etc. Instead, we've got two parties who attempt to pander to competing interest groups simultaneously. It's a near-miracle that anything ever gets done in Washington.

Lou Dobbs is someone I would never vote for in a million years. But he's definitely got an audience that isn't being served by either party.

Lou Dobbs, a folksy populist from Texas, who, having risen to fame as a smarmy CNN maven, has decided that he has all the answers to the world's problems created by greedy capitalists who control both the Republican and Democratic Party. He is a master of the simple answer to any complex matter and living proof of Richard Hofstadter's theme in his book The Paranoid Style of American Politics.

He sometimes gets things somewhat right, as when he decided to refer to the War on Terror as the War on Islamics, but even here he is being ever the populist.

Should Dobbs run, he would be quickly found out, as has been Thompson.

The idea of a Bloomberg candidacy in a Rudy-Hillary race has always baffled me (as opposed to, say, a Huckabee-Edwards race, where it would make a certain sense)

No way Bloomberg can run if either Giuliani or Romney is the Republican nominee, as they cover the two major areas of his appeal (socially moderate and private sector success, respectively). He may have trouble running against Obama as well, since a third part of his appeal is being sort of a fresh-faced Washington outsider. If we get Hillary or Edwards against McCain or Thompson though, watch out.

I'd enjoy the spectacle.

I am forever puzzled by those who diss Lou Dobbs. His critics characterize him always on the basis of his stand on immigration, lumping him together with those they consider racists and crazies. Never mind that he is not flat out anti-immigration. Yes, you read that right. He has stated this to his critics face-to-face, and he has made this clear many times on his program. Rather, he is against what is in effect a policy of open borders. Currently anyone who can walk across a desert or sneak through a poorly staffed border point is allowed in. Granted it sometimes takes more than one try, but there is no serious effort to stem the flow. The promise of the 1980s reform bill to build and and staff the border were simply ignored. Dobbs is for limiting immigration, not elilminating it.

This not so fine point has been entirely ignored and/or distorted by his detractors in the corporate and liberal communities. He is against open borders for legitimate populist reasons: they lower the wages of American workers in several critical fields (NOT agriculture). Borjas of Harvard's Kennedy School demonstrates this with hard stats. For those who insist otherwise (which includes most of the left who otherwise say they support the affected workers), try telling that to workers in meat packing plants or construction trades. Better still, try telling that to a large group of immigrants who have been here for more than 10-15 years who have seen their own wages driven lower by new waves of immigrants. There's a relevant an iron law of wages: a surplus of workers in given fields will ALWAYS drive down wages no matter how many laws exist to prevent this.

Important as the wages issue is, though, there is nary a mention of it in public discussions of immigration. How come? It couldn't possibly be that the very cheap lawn care, nanny services, etc. have worked to silence any discussion of this matter? Nah - only selfish CEO's would be influenced by money, right?

I can't envision ANY scenarios in which a Bloomberg candidacy makes sense. Bloomberg doesn't have ANY of the things required to make a third party candidacy successful.

Does he have a hot-button issue to rally people around? No.

Does he have a large regional base? No.

Does he have immense charm and personal magnetism? Far from it.

Sure, there are lots of turned-off and/or apathetic voters out there who'd be open to a new candidate, but I can't figure out which ones are supposed to get excited about Bloomberg.

Dobbs and Borjas clearly oppose legal immigration and illegal immigrants are just a target of opportunity in service of that cause. They misdiagnose the problem and therefore mis-prescribe the remedy. The problem is a mismatch between the supply of legal immigration (visas) and the demand for legal immigration from an expanding economy (with relatively low unemployment, low birthrates, increasing education levels, engaged in global competition where lower prices win).

If we had an adequate supply of visas, those same workers who are coming today would come with a visa and rights, not a smuggler and limited rights, which would certainly benefit them, but would also benefit America's native workers. It would also give us a tightly regulated, vetted, and secure legal flow, rather than the chaos we have now.

Old Lou can’t go there because it would be tantamount to admitting that immigration, on balance, is excellent for our economy, a sign of a vibrant economy, and that efforts to simply enforce our way out of the current immigration dilemma are folly.

That he bends or wholly makes up “facts” to support his position may make Leprosy Lou perhaps overqualified to be a politician.

Oo. Yeah. Let's all get really earnest and wonky about a Lou Dobbs candidacy. Keep it up guys. I'm almost there.

Never mind that he is not flat out anti-immigration. Yes, you read that right. He has stated this to his critics face-to-face, and he has made this clear many times on his program. Rather, he is against what is in effect a policy of open borders

I think the complaint against Dobbs is not just on the particular stand he takes, but the evidence he marshalls for it--basically, everything that happens on every day ever is proof that something foreign is bad for America. While he may not come out and say that everything foreign is bad, it sure seems like the impression his show is designed to offer.

Lou Dobbs is a legend in his own mind. His lack of respect last night on CNN showed his distain for Senator Clinton. He sarcastically referred to her as "Bill Clinton's wife. This, just before the debate began. The night before last Dobbs was listening to REAL pundents who suggested a page from JFK would be helpful to Romney. Dobbs remark, "I thought all JFK did was chase skirts". What a guy. It's no wonder he is the KKK's friend list. Yeah, I'd be real proud Lou!
Perhaps CNN might speak to him about his lack of respect for all people. If you are a guest on his show and have a point of view which differs from Dobbs, he'll talk over you.
He claims to be an Independent and is trying to rally party voters to join him and there are fools out there who aren't being told they can't vote in Primarys Dobbs, however, votes republican. All his guests are Republicans unless a Democrat happens to support one of his ideas. He is the worst journalism has to offer.

I hope that Lou Dobbs enters the Presidential race. We need a candidate who will fight for the middle class. Both major parties have sold out America's workers.

Our nation is headed toward fourth rate status. We have a falling dollar and a massive trade deficit. Income and opportunity gaps are widening. Our defense capacity is in shambles and we face China as a rising economic and military power. We cannot even gain control over over borders and the leaders in both parties could care less.

Democrats are going to be sadly disappointed if they think the middle class is going to forget about illegal immigration. And Republicans will have a rude awakening if they believe that the public will accept more trickle down economics. The public is ready for a man on a white worse and that might just be Lou Dobbs.

It's impossible to say this without an implied judgment, but . . .


I think the right political analogy for a Dobbs candidacy isn't Perot and the Reform Party, it's Thurmond and the Dixiecrats.

Screw it, if this sort of douchebag can run, let's open it all the way up. Let's have Chuck Norris and Nancy Grace and Cardinal Bernard Law and Peter Leavitt and Alan Colmes and Ron Jeremy (He Carries A Big Stick!) and Angie Harmon and 4 or 5 Baldwins and some celebrity chefs run. Maybe we really CAN have a president less qualified than Dumbya Bush!

Has America really fallen to this level?

Bill O'Reilly! Start your engine! I'll bet you have lots of walking sphincters who would vote for you.

Round up the illegals and toss them over the border.. and include the gang members with them. I would vote for a guy that would clean up this country.

We already have Tom Tancredo, why the hell would we need Lou Dobbs?

Well, Teresa, most anti-immigrant yahoos think "Tancredo" sounds funny, so they won't vote for him.

Now "Dobbs" sounds like a nice name for an ignorant white guy with no newfangled ideas, so yahoos might go for him. Plus he looks really, really white.

I hope this answers your question.

I disagree with your comments on Bloomberg. Looking at the polls his only chance is if its Hillary/Rudy. The social conservative dynamic would be neutralized with this matchup, leaving those voters up for grabs, if Huckabee or even Romney is the nominee the social conservatives will eventually pull towards them. And it has to be Hillary because of her high negatives gives a serious inroad in places like New York, California and Texas. Rudy is not a solid candidate and if gets to a general election debate Bloomberg would eat him up. And with 70+% approval rating in NYC, he could legitamately have a shot at winning NY state.

I have just completed reading Lou Dobbs two recent
books and he is right on the money. I plan now on registering as an independent voter. I have had enough of the two party system as it is and I am a vitim of how bad corporate america is after working for two companies in my career 1) 29 years ( corporate ) and 2) 18 years privately held company. Both companies I had to act as a republican or else. I'm retired now and I feel feel I can let my feelings be herd for the future of this country. You bet...if Lou Dobbs ran for president that I would not only vote for him but wouuld work to get him elected. It's scarry thinking what Corporate Republicans can get away with in this country.

Here is Lou Dobb's commentary, which has generated so much speculation:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/06/Dobbs.Nov7/index.html

My interpretation of Dobbs' commentary is quite different - to me, he's promoting a Bloomberg independent candidacy, not his own. They are probably close friends, since Bloomberg is NYC mayor, Dobbs lives in NYC, and both are filthy rich. I don't think Dobbs would so blatantly promote himself as "a man of great character, vision, and accomplishment," but then, who knows? Neither he nor Bloomberg fit that glowing description, but Ron Paul certainly does, yet Dobbs totally ignores Ron Paul, as does the rest of the mainstream media. I stopped watching Lou Dobbs after reading his commentary, because it's clear to me that he's promoting billionaire Bloomberg for president. This, despite all of Dobbs' empty rhetoric about standing up for the little guys against the big, bad "elites" (like Bloomberg). With his commentary promoting Bloomberg, Dobbs proved himself to be a pathetic hypocrite.

Lou Dobbs is racist and everybody knows that. He uses his status about being married to a Hispanic as a front. Just watvh his show and you can tell by his actions and how he demeans Mexicans. It's kind of funny to see how many White Power, KKK, and other White Supremacist groups praise him and Glenn Beck.

Here is an excerpt (a link below) that explains it all:

"So, here comes thee reason why should you consider voting for Lou Dobbs should he run: Lou will not betray us like many before him did and many, most likely, will. For me, that's the most important qualification for the next president of the U.S."

from "Why Should You Consider Voting For Lou If He Runs?", by Mark Andrew Dwyer http://www.loudobbs4president.com/news.html