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The Ron Paul Phenomenon

06 Nov 2007 09:57 am

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A couple of thoughts, neither terribly original. First, his remarkable fundraising success is good news for extremists everywhere. I don’t mean to use “extremist” pejoratively; I just mean that the entire apparatus of national politics in this country, from how the parties are organized to how the media covers election, has evolved (or been intelligently-designed, perhaps) to exclude anyone who deviates too far from what's understood in Washington as the political mainstream. When “extreme” figures manage to break through and succeed in this sytem, it’s usually because they aren’t really that extreme at all – see Newt Gingrich, for instance, a center-right futurist whom the press painted (with an assist from his own undisciplined mouth) as a fascist nutjob, or Howard Dean, a moderate liberal who was cast as the second coming of George McGovern because he opposed the Iraq War and acted, well, angry. Whereas Ron Paul actually is an extremist, insofar as he holds positions that are way, way outside the Beltway mainstream. And his (admittedly limited) successes hint at an internet-enabled future in which, for good or ill, a hundred ideologically-diverse flowers can bloom - or at least run ads in New Hampshire.

Second, if it wasn’t clear already it should be clear now: Paul ought to run as a Libertarian in the fall. Those Republicans who say that Paul is too far outside the party, ideologically-speaking, to be running for its nomination aren’t that far wrong: I suspect that if the Democrats take the White House, certain elements in the GOP will rediscover their 1990s-vintage fealty to a Quincy Adams foreign policy, but for now at least Paul’s positions are at once popular enough for him to run a well-funded campaign and almost completely unrepresented in the mainstream of either party. Which is precisely the stuff of which principled third party runs are made. I doubt that even an impressive Paul performance (say, 5 percent of the vote) would make the Libertarian Party a viable force in American politics (particularly since much of his support would come from single-issue anti-war voters with little interest in constitutionalism); his run, like every other third-party run before it, would be too personality-driven to create a lasting legacy. But if he believes what he says he believes – and particularly if the race comes down to Hillary-Rudy, or even Hillary-Romney - it’s at the very least worth the effort.

Photo by Flickr user Revolute used under a Creative Commons license.

Comments (126)

excellent post.

A third-party run would be a total waste of time and Ron Paul is on the record of saying as much. As soon as the GOP manages to boot him out of the running all the supporters (I am one) will simply head home and let the apathy wash over us again. It's just the way of our broken two-party system.

I believe that constitutionalists supporting Ron Paul and anti-undeclared war voters are one and the same.

I think Paul's basic point is that running as a 3rd party candidate is simply not very practical -- there are too many hurdles to overcome.

We are growing.

We want freedom and prosperity by our definition, not the Government's poor example. We will actually see more flock to this because the media is failing to understand the Internet.

When I talk to people on all sides, no one is talking about the supposed front-runners like Hillary or Rudy, other than to say ick.

Mainstream Media is fast becoming second tier. Catch up!

sad day when wanting to follow the constitution makes you "extreme"

I'm 30,I don't fit in with the marching orders of either party. I usually have to pick the lesser of two evils. Nothing ever changes and we as a people are more divided than ever. Its encouraging to see someone like Dr. Paul bring together a wide swath of views and demographics even if it doesnt translate into a victory. Americans are remembering that they have a voice and we the people can make a difference.

Ron Paul may not have a chance, I don't care, Im voting for him anyway and I will continue to support his cause.

The best thing about his run is the infusion of a whole generation of people like myself that are getting involved and making our views and opinions known. The apathetic generation X is starting to make some noise. Hopefully we can keep the ball rolling and make some real change.

The new youth revolution is waking up the errors made by our parents and returning to individual liberty. Our liberties have been slowly eroding over the last 70 years by the misguided actions of our parents generation. The individual is the smallest minority and this is the start of my civil rights movement.

"Paul ought to run as a Libertarian"

Why 'ought' Paul run as a Libertarian? Is that strategic advice?

I suspect that there is no reason behind this 'ought' other than the author of this article does not agree with Paul and would prefer he have as little chance as possible!

If the GOP is truly incompatible with Paul's positions, he will lose! That is his decision to make.

So please, in a reasoned and non-ad hoc fashion, complete this simple sentence for me:

"Ron Paul should not run as a GOP candidate in 2008 because ..."

I strongly disagree that Paul's principled stands on issues like foreign policy and deficit spending make him completely anathema to his chosen party. It is precisely the fact that, as you state, *neither* the Democrats nor the other Republican candidates differ very much on these issues which highlights the need for Ron Paul in the Republican party. Ron Paul can and should win in the viable Republican party.

Extreme? Indeed.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
-George Orwell

Why do you think the ANTI-WAR is the only reason people are voting for RON PAUL? When it's safe (maybe unsafe) to say that his civil liberties may be why most people are voting for RON PAUL. Consider the fact that nothing has really changed since we have given up our freedoms for security. In 2008 we'll have to have a NATIONAL ID to vote, open a bank account, travel internationally and to enter any type of government building or park. So for me and other Americans, I believe that our civil liberties are a higher concern than any foreign war. Especially a war that was NOT declared. If we do not elect RON PAUL then we'll see that my statements will soon be your concerns too. "Loving my neighbors as myself" and "Having NO other gods" is where I stand. Vote your heart. I will.

Neoconservatives ARE the third party.

I'm in the midwest and i can assure you that the Republican party here is the same one from 7 years ago. I've no doubt the current pack of big government, foreign policy of the gun Republicans would like to see Paul drop out and run 3rd party. It would add legitimacy to their hijacking of what was less than a decade ago, conservatism.

Ron Paul has been there, done that, with the third-party run. The rules are stacked against third parties -- unless the candidate, himself or herself, happens to be a billionaire. If you want strong third-party candidates, then why don't you campaign to support Ron Paul's legislation to change the rules for third parties. That's the only way you will ever see credible third-party campaigns.

I don't think all of the ron Paul support is quite as superficial as suggested above. Yes the youth are fueling alot of the enthusiasm of the RP campaign,however they appear to be surprisingly knowledgeable, about the constitution. The radicality (in the sense of "rooted") of Ron Paul's positions make him as much a teacher as a candidate. In some ways he plays a paternal role bringing wisdom and common sense where for too long soundbites and stylish haircuts have dominated campaigning. This fearless humble man is so very refreshing and brings out the staleness, rehearsedness of the company men called the front runners of the GOP.

Ron Paul has been elected as a Republican for all of his 10 terms in Congress. He is a Republican. He took a break from the Republican party to run on the Libertarian ticket in '88. He is a traditional values Republican and the truest of Republians out there. It is the other candidates who have strayed outside party lines. Educate yourself on true Republican values before posting a half-true article.

" little interest in constitutionalism"?
The Constitution is the message! You just don't get it...
But surely the time will come and even you will understand.
Nice article though!

How do you define a party ? I think the Idea is to change the party. Hopefully, the libertarian leaning coalition will run some candidates, from Congressman to dog catcher, to evolve the party to something useful for this next century, rather than the Bush Dinosauers.

For god's sake someone needs to oppose the rampant growth of the STATE

Ron Paul has been elected to congress 10 times, as a Republican every time. Why should he change his party just to run as president? And when did constitutional views become extreme?! And did you go to journalism school or just watch Fox News for a few weeks and now you know what time it is?

Check out the constitution. It's not too hard a read; I think even you are capable of comprehending a great deal of it:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

It's about the Constitution! It's about wholesale loss of our civil liberties!

Yes, I agree with the other posters above that there is no reason for Congressman Paul to run as a third party candidate. Although Americans are largely distrustful of the two main parties, the paradox is that few will vote outside them.

Overall, Paul's values are traditional Republican values as I understand them and Paul has said that himself often enough. The leadership of his party has rejected him. Well, that'll make it tougher for Paul, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that Dr. Paul's views are quite popular with many Americans who have heard him, hence the outstanding fundraising snowball. That will enable his message to get out to more. And that can only mean more money raised and more voters selecting him for their state's primaries. This outsider is less of an outsider every day.

It's time to let freedom ring again in america. The two party authoritarian system has had it's death grip on America for too long now. It's time for generation x and the youth to make a real change in the power structure. Ron Paul in 2008.

Get this sir....He is a Republican! He has been since he stepped into the political realm! He ran once as a Libertarian once...Everyone knows that the dirty system dont work. its either R or D! He is not outside the Box. His views are basic and sound. I dont understand why folks discredit him. He is for Liberty, for Freedom. For the people! And will become President by the people!

Dr. Ron Paul! God bless that good man!

IMHO Ron Paul is very unique in the field of candidates. So many of us are critical of our elected officials, and then we just perpetuate the problem by voting for the same philosophy of which we are critical. Paul offers opportunity for significant difference.

Comments will be made to the effect "Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, so I'll vote for _____ (fill in the blank)". Imagine where we could go if people voted for whom they thought was best for the position, instead of for whom they thought would win. If we elect the best person for the position, we ALL win!

people all over the world,not just in the USA,is tired of one thing particularly: POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS!!!!
this is the tool globalists use to put countries on their knees,now it's the time to rediscover what they hate the most: NATIONALISM!!!!!
I think this is one of the main reason for Ron Paul's success

Nice try Atlantic.com - but it won't work. People are now onto the "mainstream" disinfo game. The neo-cons and liberals have merged into one organization committed to global hegemony via wars of conquest, paid for with the money and blood of the people. The middle-class is dissapearing and the dollar is free-falling. The left-right paradigm has become utterly transparent. Why you can't see this is either a matter of ignorance or arrogance on your part. In either case, your transparent attempts at dismissing the good doctor are only helping to fuel the Revolution. So thanks.

I'm a 45 year old male who has voted third party for 20 years. While Democrats and Republicans differ at the philosophical level, the two major parties are essentially one and the same. Neither well represents the average American and both are kept in power by the corporations, special interests and super rich.
Ron Paul is the first Republican presidential candidate I've ever endorsed or supported financially. His is a message of hope for the majority of Americans.

Are Giuliani or Romney or McCain or Thompson or Huckabee going to run third party campaigns? Because they don't really belong in the Republican party, and they really aren't going to win the nomination let's be serious here.

Man.

Ross got Ron Paul-bombed.

Whatever you guys want to say about how it ought to be-- and trust me, I'm a lot closer to Ron Paul than Republican orthodoxy-- on an elementary level, Ross is right. Ron Paul represents a significant break from the mainstream of the Republican Party. Whether that is a result of the wishes of the actual constituents of the RP, or because of the leadership apparatus of the RP, I can't say. But you can't pretend that he isn't a fringe candidate within the party.

Notice, though, that that doesn't mean I think it's wrong to support him, or that the system isn't silly. But on that banal point, Ross is absolutely right.

Are all of these journalists a bunch of opining biased shills? It is so OBVIOUS. Their tacit insinuations and subtle phrasing aren't fooling anyone except for the intellectual lilliputians. How pathetic. Go Ron Paul!

But what happens if Ron Paul organizes a mass effort online to get people to the polls and, you know, spam the election?

Is the party gonna cancel the election like an online debate poll?

Ron Paul is a just, honest, intelligent man who has defended the constitution for the past thirty years. He advocates peace and personal freedoms, what's so extreme about that? He's also done "extreme"-ly well in straw polls, you know, where active voters actually show up, as opposed to polls conducted via landline telephones to "chosen" participants. Politics is won by those who show up, and Ron Paul supporters are indeed showing up. $4.2 million in one day, with average donations of about $120, Ron Paul truly is a top-tier republican candidate!

This is totally the man for America! If what he stands for is true then this is the man every True christian should vote for! America needs to open her eyes to the truth or else she'll go down like rome and all the other great empires before her.

3rd party? We live in a 2-party nation. If you want to be elected you have to run in one of the two-parties. If your views or even the mainstream views of the American people don't correspond to those of the controlling party activists, then you are out of luck in this country. Sure, these dominant party views change over time as the parties are taken over by activist factions, which is what the libertarian movement is trying to do now within the Republican Party. But the fundamental principal remains, that when you have a one round simple plurality voting system that you only have room for two parties. At the cost that at least a third of the nation may feel left out of our election process and wholly unrepresented and disenfranchised in government.

I would argue that we would actually have a more democratic system with only one party as long as party committees has no control over who was or was not a member. But that would be unconstitutional. Better yet, just have an open primary where all the candidates may be tested against each other and not just a carefully chosen subset where the party machines can carefully manipulate the field to maintain party discipline and keep government jobs and money going to their loyalists.

In the general election, any other candidates besides Democrats and Republicans are spoilers and undermine the very concept of democratic representation. Having a third candidate ensures that whomever elected only has minority support and perhaps even only the support of slightly more than a third of the voting public. And given that a good chunk of people don't like the candidates enough to vote in the first place, that means you might get an elected leader with the support of a very small percentage of the public. It is bad enough as it is without watering down the legitimacy of our election system even further.

I am a Ron Paul Supporter and I might vote for him in the General election even if he does not win the Republican nomination, but I would have no expectation that a third party vote would actually be any better for America than just staying home on election day.

We need real election and ballot reform in order to retake control of our elections from the party machines. Perhaps approval voting or a run-off ballot would do the trick. But we don't need more spoiler candidates that just make for juicy news stories without giving Americans real choices to make.

Run as a Libertarian? He gets those votes automatically. He needs to win the Republican nomination. Then he'll get the Republican votes combined with all the third party votes, plus the real anti-war Democrats. And, we'll avoid the more-of-the-same thinking that is stifling this country at home an abroad.

Ross - don't write about Paul. As this thread shows, it only unleashes the hordes. The crazy, conspiracy theory-loving hordes.

Nice choice of photographs at the top of the article. The ripped makeshift banner in front of the empty lot really helps to show that the Paul candidacy is pitiful and inept. Good thing you didn't accidentally show hundreds or thousands of Paul supporters, rank and file Americans, showing up to cheer on their guy. That would have kind of messed up the message you're trying to send, right?

Oh, one more thing. I don't want to make you nervous or anything, but what with stuff on the internet being archived and all the day may come when people look back on what was "reported" by the media in a cynical attempt to derail Dr. Paul's run for the Presidency. We will well remember those who tried to betray the Republic in her hour of need.

I just want to ask where is FOX NEWS on reporting Ron Paul's phenomenal $4.2 million one-day-haul? You know where? Nowhere!

I'm sure most of you already know how biased Fox news is. I just don't see how ANYONE even watches that channel. They are a FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATION, reporting only what fits in their agenda!

I say ALL AMERICANS BAN FOX NEWS!

I think the main stream media has evolved into the extremist position in this election cycle. Constant war, the dollar going off the cliff, gas/oil prices through the roof, rigged elections & poll numbers, the ongoing rush towards a police state, you name it, we're SICK of it and our votes will collectively show that position. They (the powers that be) ignore Ron Paul at their own peril.
For me and in relation to the status-quo, Ron Paul is like the dreaded middle finger display and I shall support his stance on all things political, all the while knowing which and in who's direction that middle finger is pointing...

Nice article. I'm so used to spin in Ron Paul pieces, that I almost had to do a double take. Some things I don't agree with, but on the whole, good job.

Ron Paul is not extremist. This government is extremist. How can you even justify a government that starts wars and interventions perpetually, builds Iraq while New Orleans is in shambles and burns coal for power and keeps increasing foreign oil dependence. This government has failed, and this is a time to vote for Ron Paul to flush this terrorist government down the toilet. The only extremists here is the maniacs that cling to the government of the military industrial complex.

All this talk of a third party run... let's take a look at a little Poly Sci 101 here... If anyone other than Congressman Paul wins the Republican nomination, we WILL have a Democrat in the White House... period. Here's why:

No Republican, save Paul, can distance themselves far enough ideologically from the Democrats. The so-called front runners are all very moderate republicans who are merely a color shade or two away from being true blue Democrats. The more "conservative" Republican candidates (DunMike TancredAbee) are truly long-shots with no real money to make a serious bid for the nomination. When faced with a choice between Osama Clinton or Rudy McRomneySon, the public is going to lean Democratic... especially when the Dem's (and the media) turn on the anti-republican, anti-bush rhetoric during the general election campaign.

Then there's the prospect of Paul or someone else running a third party ticket. It's doubtful that Paul would attempt it since he has already been there and done that. He also knows that a third party candidate will mean the death sentence for the Republicans. A viable third party candidate will pull at least 10% of the vote away from the Republican (as much as 25% if it's Paul); percentages that the Republican candidate, no matter who it is, can ill afford to lose.

So, in short... it's Ron Paul for the nomination or nothing. If Ron Paul fails to get the nomination, many of us, including myself will simply stop voting and prepare our families to ride out the upcoming storm of government oppression, tyranny, and our nations total economic collapse.

I'd be curious to see the IP addresses for these comments....

Let's put all previous thoughts of the other candidates aside and just for once quickly focus on Ron Paul and what he stands for:

- Abolishing the Federal Reserve:
Absolutely no other candidate has brought this up. And this is of very high importance. Why? Because the Federal Reseve is a private entity, nothing Federal about it. It's located on Constitutional Ave but it is unconstitutional to give the power of 1) money creation and 2) interest rate policy / regulating the economy to a different institution other than our government. Why would we pay this private institution money for the creating our own currency? And it's not just a small amount. The USA is paying interest for the money the Fed is creating! That's about 40% or so of our income tax, waisted on this private Federal Reserve...

- Ron Paul is against the IRS:
Ron Paul is not for abolishing all taxes, but the Federal income tax the way we currently have it is unconstitutional. We are already paying taxes on gas for the road maintenance, property taxes for schools, taxes on food, state taxes, car registration tax, and INFLATION TAX! So think twice before labling those that are against the IRS and the federal income tax as "unpatriotic" and as those that don't care.

All taxes combined we are paying about 50% taxes. In many cases even more than that! 50% is just a number but if you think of it in manual labor it might start sinking in. If you were a farmer and you have 10 fields with strawberries, patatoes, salads, etc. 5 of those fields you water, fertilize, maintain, to give the fruits of your labor away. That's not exactly what the founding fathers had in mind...
By getting out of silly, unnecessary wars that create us more enemies than we previously had we will not only save much money but we can get rid of the income tax without neglecting the important projects at home.

Ron Paul is also for individual freedom, a sound currency system, humble foreign policy. How can you argue against that? Is that making him extreme? I guess as extreme as the great founding fathers of this country.

Here are the tests:
1. Is he photogenic? No.
2. Does he have a deep, resonant, syrupy voice? No.
3. Does he show a subtle arrogance and disrepect for his opponents and his audience? No.
4. Does he talk often about his personal life, his faith convictions, or highlight his supposed links to the common people? No.
5. Does he normally speak in simple, easily digested sound bites, avoiding extended lines of analysis? No.
6. Does he just do the public performance and let his speech writers and handlers think for him? No.

Not a viable candidate for a major party. Better run as 3rd Party and we'll give you, oh, 5%.

The very idea of "electability" is an interesting one, in that, WE THE PEOPLE determine someone's "electability."

It’s not the polls, or MSM or…whatever. It’s US!

The object of an election is to put into practice, at the governmental level, the ideals, that are consistent with the U.S. Constitution, I as a voter/taxpayer/American citizen deem beneficial to me personally and me corporately (being a legal citizen who cares deeply about my country).

It’s really quite simple: if enough of US decide that we want our government operating under such-and-such ideals, and we vote based on that desire (not the “lesser of two evils”), it can and does happen.

History, recent and not-so-recent, is replete with examples of “underdogs” triumphing: “Navy Beats Notre Dame, Ending 44-Year Losing Streak” (Nov. 3, 2007); “Appalachian State 34, No. 5 Michigan 32” in “one of the greatest upsets in college football history….” (Sept. 1, 2007); in early-2003, Joe Lieberman was leading the field for the Democratic Presidential nomination yet failed to win any primary; in early-1991 Bill Clinton was at 2% and went on to win the Presidency; in early-1975 Jimmy Carter was polling at 1% and went on to win the Presidency.

Would to God that we as citizens would approach the election process with the fervor, intensity and no-holds-barred approach that we can see in life’s other activities. I can assure you that, although some members of the Navy and Appalachian State teams had their doubts, they were encouraged to believe in themselves and to make the best possible effort they could, being unwilling to settle for anything less than that best effort.

No, no, NO, folks! Our job as U.S. citizens and patriots is not to "pick a winner," which seems to me to be a view which trivializes our opportunity and responsibility as citizens. We’re to carefully consider all our options and then vote based on what is best for our COUNTRY!

One by one, as each of us decides that our vote IS important and that we are modern stewards of this great country, for which so many have given so much, THEN we begin to realize what we must do.

For me, that means expending whatever resources I can to make right what so many have worked so hard to destroy: my country...the United States of America. This great land deserves nothing less than the best I have to give. Can I truly call myself a "patriot" having done less than I could for this great country? What kind of American am I to see an opportunity to install into the White House a man with demonstrable and impeccable credentials and then do little to nothing to forward that effort?

No! I will have no part whatsoever in sitting idly by as others who, in the name of God or Money or “Compassionate Conservatism” or “Honor” or whatever do their utmost to denigrate and dissolve this great country…MY country! RON PAUL for President! Viva la Revolución!

P.S. If someone doesn’t like the way the U.S. was designed to operate and opposes a return to that way of thinking and governance, I politely suggest they find another country that DOES provide all the services and care they desire from their government. (“Paging a Mr. Robert Altman and Mr. Alec Baldwin…Final boarding call for any and all flights departing America….”) But that is NOT the way the U.S. was designed and I, and millions of others, intend on returning the U.S. to it’s roots…it’s Constitutional roots.

You are wrong in thinking that his supporters are only interested in his anti-(Iraq)war message and not about the Constitution. We are very much interested in Constitutional government. We value our freedoms, we value our liberty, we value what this country was founded upon. We are disgusted with the bloated federal government that intrudes on all of our lives through regulations, taxes, unaccountable agencies, and a general lack of respect for the Constitution. We support Ron Paul because of his ideas, his integrity, and his record.

We are the Sons Of Liberty. Welcome to the Revolution.

Assuming that the comments are all from different people, I'm curious how they all get the message to come to a particular blog to comment. I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?

You're saying that no explanation for the $4.2 "money bomb" exists?
People donated money on November 5th because Ron Paul is NOT a top tier candidate?

Which is more absurd?
1. The polls are correct. Ron Paul truly has 1% of the population as supporters, and nearly all of them donated on November 5th.

2. Ron Paul is enormously popular and not all of his supporters donated on November 5th.

The surge in funds is because the message of freedom is also enormously popular?

Remarkable that, this fund-raising event was NOT organized by Ron Paul 2008 PCC. His supporters made this happen -- remarkable that...

Shame on you for supressing the strongest grassroots movement we have seen in decades.

I was a Republican a long time ago, but left the party... er.. the party left me. Now I'm back, supporting Ron Paul because he represents many of the things that I used to like about the Republican Party.

It also doesn't hurt that he is probably the most honest and ethical man ever to run for president - don't underestimate how important that is after 16 years of Clinton/Bush, and government of, by, and for the corporations.

Paul ought to run as a Libertarian in the fall.

Also, I think it's pretty clear that, to Douthat, the election is All About The War.

Douthat is promoting the anti-war position, and sees Paul as a means of drawing votes away from whichever pro-war Republican gets nominated. I think it is pretty clear that, if Paul runs as a third party, he will draw much more heavily from the pro-war Republican than the anti-war Democrat. Which is exactly why Douthat says that Paul "ought" to run.

Posted by Minipundit "Ross - don't write about Paul. As this thread shows, it only unleashes the hordes. The crazy, conspiracy theory-loving hordes."

We happen to be the American people, and I'll bet you wouldn't have the spine to say that if you were in a room full of us. Naw, I didn't think so. Just keep walkin', minipud.

Don't overlook the intensity of his support as an x-factor in the Primaries. Unless the voting machines are rigged, Paul is close to doing the unthinkable. Blogs like this one, and every MSM outlet, has pounded the drum that "he can't win". Well... look where we are now: way beyond the MSM worst nightmare. What's incredible is the MSM and the ideologically biased bloggers have NOT learned anything - they still discount Dr. Paul's run. Incredible.

Folks: If Paul wins NH, SC and places well in IA the mainstream media will find a way to continue to discount his chances! It won't change - but, again, if the votes are actually counted, Paul has a serious chance at winning the White House.

Mark my words: if he wins the GOP nomination, his battle against the Dems will be comparatively easy. He'll peel off all but the hardcore big government, pro-choice liberals. He'll win in a Reagan landslide.

In response to an early comment by Bryan.

I am also a Ron Paul supporter. However, if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination I won't be too apathetic to vote. I will just have to vote for the democrat in the general election.

Ron Paul is a true uniter. He is the only republican that stands a chance in the general election. When will republicans realize this?

As an independent, he'll never get on a ballot. He won't need to switch parties, watch. And I think everyone ought to take election day off from work, vote and camp out in front. This will let everyone know the number of Ron Paul voters. Seems like a decent way to see if there is voter fraud. Kill electronic voting, dead.

There is so much time before the primaries and this campaign is growing and gaining followers at an exponential rate. Ron Paul has the time, money,support, and the message to win the nomination and the presidency.
If you don't know about Ron Paul look at his voting record, he's a 10 term congressman there is plenty of substantial evidence of how he will act as president. Look up some of his speeches on google or youtube. Hear him speak and you will understand why he inspires Americans.

"Assuming that the comments are all from different people, I'm curious how they all get the message to come to a particular blog to comment. I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?"

It's called Google. This comes up on the first page. With a million Paul supporters don't be surprised if a few hundred of them google an article. Jeez, were you raised in a cave?

Oh shut up.

I'm tired of people like you. If people are going to go and vote for him, he can win.

Most people in America don't vote, especially in the primaries, especially when no other Republican caught fire.

I don't think 100% of the Republican party transformed with Bush, in any case the party of Taft, Goldwater and Reagan are the REAL Republicans, Rudy or Romney should make the Neocon party.

Bush/Cheney hijacked the party. We are getting it back.

The comments are more insightful than the article. At least you admit your thoughts a unoriginal.

Minipundit, ridicule is always the last form of defense. Look at the neocons right now. They don't want to answer legitimate question without telling you to shut up. Your candidate couldn't dream of having the same enthusiasm in a month as Ron Paul gets in a week, and that burns you up. So you call us tin-foil hat wearers, loons, nutjobs, and conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately for you, people are seeing right through the garbage spouted by you and your ilk. I guess Ross should post about mainstream drivel, since it must appeal pretty well to you. Looking at your worthless little blog, you're a little young to be calling people conspiracy theorists. Go do some research, and stop following the hordes of put downers like a good mindful sheep.

BTW, is a U.S. Dollar collapse a conspiracy theory? Answer that question and see if your status quo candidate can answer it with anything other than "the economy is fine." That would be a good start for anyone, kiddo.

Some news for you: the "Beltway" doesn't get to decide who will be the next President.

Some news for the news business: voters don't *need* you to dictate the best candidate anymore. This little internet thing has killed your monopoly.

Some news for the Bush establishment: it isn't your party anymore, to do with as you please. You can't conserve what Republicans do NOT want: big government, trampled liberty, and managed markets.

This isn't your grandpa's GOP any more.

Ron Paul isn't an extremist.

But the average politician in Washington IS an extremist.

Who here wants to continue the war in Iraq? A war over weapons of mass destruction that were never there? Who wants to let the people who got us involved into this war though lies off the hook?

Who here wants to continue spending $500 BILLION dollars a year that we don't have and pay interest on it?

Who here wants to start yet another war with Iran?

Who here after seeing what a complete disaster the Federal response was to Katrina wants to continue funding such a worthless organization?

Who here wants the Federal government to continue devaluing EVERY AMERICAN'S savings through intentional inflation by creating more money at will, in effect taxing us all for not being in debt?

Who here wants to let the Federal government continue ignoring it's own laws with regard to illegal immigration instead of having the Federal government EITHER change the laws or enforce the laws?

Who here wants to continue a multi billion dollar a year "war against drugs" after 30 years of it, especially after Gary Web exposed the CIA's direct involvement of keeping this trade going?

Well, then you're just a "radical" - just like almost every American is.

I am tired of my government lying to me like I'm some simpelton that can't see through the lie. Bernake claiming we are going to have a strong dollar policy is a lie, they intend to devalue the dollar. The CPI at record lows is a blatant lie, all you need to do is go to the grocery store. The reason for the Iraq war was a lie. The Democrats we elected to take out out of Iraq lied about their intentions to take us out. The threat of Iran is false, there is no threat from Iran. I'm just so damned tied of it and both parties today are completely untrustworthy. Nothing that the mainstream parties claim can be trusted.

The GOP are counting on RP supporters not showing up to vote in primaries so they can ignore him and continue playing their world-wide chess games.

Have we not shown that we're front and center at straw polls, post-debate polls, grass roots support, military support, and in now - in a big way - in Money?

The massive support will come out in stampeding droves at the primaries. That's the day we're all gearing up for!

Ron Paul 2008! God bless this man!

I find it very notable that Paul's main support comes from the west half of the US map. Might his supporters start networking in those states to form a "Sagebrush caucus" that will outlast 2008?

I don't know if this is possible, but if Dr. Paul does not get the Republican nomination, I will request an absentee ballot and write in his name. I suggest all my fellow Dr. Paul supporters do the same, if possible. God bless Dr. Paul and our fellow Americans.

When a libertarian is classed as an extremist (I appreciate the irony naturally) you have to wonder just how perverse our society has become.

It's the neocons that are not real Republicans. In fact the "con" in neocon more fittingly stands for "con-men" than for conservatives. Neocons are losing their decade-long strangle hold on the party and they're getting fidgety - which is why we're seeing lots of misleading articles like this one. Real conservatives have always stood up for individual responsibility, smaller government, and non-interventionist foreign policy. Thats the truth.

Mr. Douthat should do more research on his subject matter before posting. REPUBLICAN Congressman Ron Paul wants to lead the Grand Old Party back to the conservative roots of Taft and Lincoln. It may be extreme for the average American to accept classical ideas of limited government, yet understandable after generations of Marxist indoctrination from our public schools and communication systems. Thankfully Dr. Paul has a remedy starting with the elimination of the DOE. Yes, this may sound extreme to those who cannot otherwise understand surviving without a nanny state to protect them. We extremist who take personal responsibility and want to assert our rights of Life, Liberty, and Happiness welcome the opportunity. Early evidence seems to support this "extreme" silent majority might be bigger than the machine predicts with about 37,000 extreme individual donations totaling $4.2 million yesterday. None the less, this machine (The alphabets, Faux, Leftist Rags, and their willing outlets) continue the attempt to discredit Ron Paul by making him out as a "Libertarian" or "extremist" yet they cannot take away his integrity, record, and popularity. He is a genuine leader for our Republic, the likes of a modern day Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison.

Perhaps YouTube has replaced the BoobTube. I predict the machine is in for a rude awakening post 2008 elections by the Masters of America – We the People – We the Extreme!

So, Ron Paul shouldn't run as a GOP? Should Robert Taft have? Barry Goldwater (Mr. Conservative, who son endorsed Ron Paul)? Ronald Reagan (who endorsed Ron Paul when he said the same things back in the 70s-80s)?

No, Ron Paul IS a Republican. He represents the traditional Republican. People need to remember what it means to be one.

Jesus fuck.

Ross, you ever wanna boost your blog hits, you know what to do.

I have to say, for the most part, at least your article was decent for a change. Unlike some of the responses, I do believe this country is ready for the FIRST INDEPENDENT ticket to WIN. We simply haven't been ready for this before. If Rudy & Hillary are the proverbial "picks" of the elite, then, yes, I do believe strongly that Ron Paul would have an enormous chance to win against them. Call me a long shot for saying that, but don't tell Giacomo he couldn't win, because he won the Kentucky Derby from the back of the pack. Like Giacomo, Ron Paul is slowly moving up the pack...

No need to head to the Libby Party, Ron Paul will win the Republican Party - already today in our state campaign we have had Core Republican defectors moving to the Paul campaign because of the money - they believe he can now win. Ron Paul is a genuine Conservative, and as much as the media wants to spin it, its not working.

"Posers waive the flag, patriots waive the constitution!" Give me Paul or give me death! Ron Paul 2008!

It's about the Constitution and Our Rights, Freedom, Liberty, Money or lack of(fiat), Un-Constitutional IRS...taxing our labor, etc.

I love Ron Paul! Let's build him a White House!

Many people perceive Ron Paul as an decent, honest and honorable man who speaks truth to power. And they are right. On another message board I was watching, a fellow from Belgium wrote in disputing the establishment's take on Ron Paul as being too "extreme". This gentleman saw Rep. Paul as quintessentially American. So do I. VP Cheney spoke of the "last throes" of the insurgency, but IMO, America is in the last throes of a free Republic, and a president Ron Paul would represent "a new birth of freedom."

Very Very Sad day in America when following the constitution makes you an extremists. Our country is founded upon the principles of it. He stood his ground when everyone else voted for the Patriot Act. We need more people like him. RON PAUL in 2008

Have we really come so far that we have forgotten the very roots of our nation? Is the US
Constitution as interpreted by the original plain language meaning of our founders intent so
obsolete? Is the Declaration of Independence a dead letter? I wot not.

Are these simple concepts of freedom and individual liberty extremist views? So be it, if that is what you wish to believe. This is all that Dr. Ron Paul M.D. ever espouses, is these simple American foundational concepts. So if he is to be esteemed a radical, then so am I. If this makes him an anarchist in your view, so am I as well. ..."way, way outside the Beltway mainstream?" Thank Goodness! More of same is not what we need with our nation and our liberties at risk.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The middle class being destroyed by a corrupt, broken government based on a debt based monetary system provided (at interest) by the privately owned bank called the Federal Reserve. That middle class and those with an understanding of economy as it relates to the monetary system and fiscal policy see the writing on the wall and that writing is bleak. We want monetary reform and bank reform and we want out of meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations. Ron Paul voters are fanatical for no other reasons then they pay half their income in taxes, they know what rights were robbed from them by the Patriot Act, and they are no longer falling for the lies that have taken us to war in the middle east. The people spoke when they fleeced the Senate and the House and are speaking again in the Presidential election. Make no mistake: yesterday was only the beginning. We are buying back our country by investing in the one commodity the banks, corporations, and lobbyists can’t take from us: the message of Liberty that Dr. Paul carries and the integrity he has backed it with in his long experience (and record) in Washington.

How is being anti-war an extreme view? Ah, the question answers itself.

I'm with Bill.

Ross, if you have a daily or weekly Ron Paul post, with the comments enabled, damn, you're going to get more unique hits than the rest of the Atlantic stable combined.

If we can get rid of the IRS/payroll/income tax machinery WE THE PEOPLE can take back this great country from the politicians who use our OWN MONEY to retain power!

"And his (admittedly limited) successes hint at an internet-enabled future . . ."

Limited: in what sense? The big media are becoming irrelevant (as Paul's record-breaking fundraiser shows); and we can do this without them.

The attempt at slander is Mentally Minuscule.

The Comments have more substance than the Article.

The attempt at marginalization displayed by the "Guilt By Association" with the "Minority Of Undesirable Supporters" argument is a tragic tale of Emotional rather than Logical driven media of todays day and age.

Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

I fear that we have gone to far in our current plight. There is a Force of Americans attempting to counter The Lunacy that is rooted in Washington and those with only Narrow Understanding fight them at every turn.

Those Who Assume Benevolence Are Easily Led And Foolish.

Core Character Counts.

Ron Paul; The Message Is More Important Than The Man.

Those Republicans who say that Paul is too far outside the party, ideologically-speaking, to be running for its nomination aren’t that far wrong

Personally, I think Ron Paul's success should be a wakeup call for Republicans. The party used to have a pretty solid reputation as a small-government, low taxes party that pushed the idea of personal liberty and responsibility. (Whether they deserved the reputation is a separate question).

Outside of the South, this was a big part of their appeal - especially for the "Live free or die!" contingent. Look at a map of Ron Paul's donor base - it's heavily located in the West and in New Hampshire. That's not a mistake.

With the exception of Ron Paul, the party simply cannot lay claim to those values anymore. If Republicans continue to ignore this problem they'll soon become a regional power, dominant only in the South.

Predictions are wishes pretending to be wisdom. Every month, the Ron Paul campaign produces important surprises and after every one of them a chorus of condescending pundits announces that it doesn't count because they see the future and don't expect any more surprises.

And it appears that their wishful thinking nearly always takes the form of name-calling. "Extremist" indeed. Ron Paul's campaign is extremely surprising. And if we look at the trend, it indicates more surprises.

Suggesting that Ron Paul should drop out of the Republican party (where he has run successfuly for 10 terms) and go away because he is out of the big government "mainstream" is to suggest that he ignore the people and do as the politicos-in-power would wish him to do. Not a bright suggestion.

Ross, if you have a daily or weekly Ron Paul post, with the comments enabled, damn, you're going to get more unique hits than the rest of the Atlantic stable combined.

Uh, that's unique hits? You sure?

Dr. Paul is an "extremist" only in the way Thomas Jefferson was an extremist-- coming out of what was mainstream at the time (monarchy) and creating liberty. Who cares if his views aren't what the political mainstream is? The mainstream is wrong, as it so often is.

Give him fair coverage along with the rest, stop with the name-calling in coverage, and let's see how he does with a fair shot like everyone else has. Let people see his positions and we'll see how many votes he gets.

As one example of egregious reporting, I saw on CNN's Political blog yesterday a large story on how "300 Republicans" were switching to vote for Barack Obama in New Hampshire. Just 300? Ron Paul has droves of independents and Democrats registering for him in New Hampshire along with the Republican base he draws, and he gets no coverage like that. It's absolute madness.

The author of this blog is a condescending fool. Of course, I don’t mean to use “fool” pejoratively; I just mean that the entire apparatus of national politics in this country, from how the parties are organized to how the media covers elections, has become so transparently corrupt, that the only people who still take it seriously are journalists.

FOR: Posted by Al | November 6, 2007 12:11 PM

"Assuming that the comments are all from different people, I'm curious how they all get the message to come to a particular blog to comment. I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?"

Al, when a person puts an article on their website, the Google search engine finds it and archives it. Then when people search on the phrase: "Ron Paul;" guess what? The article shows up in a list of hyper-links for people to click on. Once a person clicks the provided link, low and behold, they are brought to the article.

It doesn't take a conspiracy by the Illuminati or thousands of spam-bots. It merely requires the Internet to work as it was designed to work.

"...the entire apparatus of national politics in this country, from how the parties are organized to how the media covers elections, has become so transparently corrupt, that the only people who still take it seriously are journalists."

I wonder if, and at what point, they will start to glimpse how marginalized they have become? At least they give the rest of us (through the comments feedback) a chance to offer reality checks.

Ron Paul elicits strong reactions with the vast majority of posters. Nearly all are highly positive of him. And the few that are negative offer lies and little more than childish insults of Paul and his growing base of supporters. That's an indication of their ammo level. They're right to be scared.

Great article! I disagree about running 3rd party being a waste of time.
I will continue to push for the Republican nomination, and hope for it. However, if the MSM wins the battle and he doesn't get the nod, he has more support already than previous 3rd party candidates. Not to mention, that he hasn't spent the money raised.

I think his message would still win the people.

Too bad that it has become out of the mainstream to follow the constitution, not overspend, and respect individual rights.

Too bad it has become mainstream for even so-called Republicans to espouse Marxism, world government, the UN, the end of our sovereignty, and amnesty for illegals.

Just look at people like Rudy, Mitt, McCain and all the other corrupt candidates we have running and Ron is a rose among thorns.

I don't recall the Gingrich phenomenon you mentioned whatsoever.

Ron Paul will remove us from Iraq immediately.

Please see the following?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/

...enough said...

When a candidate is on track to lead the Republican Party in fundraising for the fourth quarter, and just had 37,000 donations in one day (over 20,000 of them first time contributors), suggesting that he explore a third party run is ridiculous.

If Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination (he has to be considered one of the front runners now), and did pursue a third party bid, your 5% estimate is laughable. Ron Paul is at 5% today in national polls, and his campaign is growing virally. A year from now, it could be many times larger and more popular.

Are people forgetting Ron's views are very Republican as the party was founded on and all this neocomm stuff is only recent so they are the fringe and Ron is the only Republican.

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Freddie-

I think you got the gist of why I used that particular word.

(Is there a RonPaulBot or something?)

It's time to let freedom ring again in america. The two party authoritarian system has had it's death grip on America for too long now. It's time for generation x and the youth to make a real change in the power structure. Ron Paul in 2008.


Posted by Jay

Jay, don't make Ron Pauls campaign about Generation-X, that would make young adults look stupid. Voting for Ron Paul isn't a generational thing, if the rest of the country has some common sense, they will vote for Ron. Chances are if Ron Paul gets voted in, he will only be able to change a few policies, it takes several Straight shooting presidents to make up for the damadge a past few bad eggs.

Ron paul can no longer be called a "long shot" candidate. He has clearly surpassed John McCain and is now a "top tier" candidate.

Ron Paul dominates in Straw Polls, Debate Polls, Fundraising, Web Traffic and Grass Roots Networking. I have created a website to support this statement.

Please visit www.thecaseforronpaul.com and judge for yourself.

I think you got the gist of why I used that particular word.

Right well I imagine unique hits means different IP addresses? I don't really know. Anyway I was just joking because of my suspicion that this is a bot attack.

Let's be clear about this. Ron Paul does not exist. He has no supporters. His rallys are computer-generated and the donations are fiat paper money of no value. The internet does not exist either - it's just a program in your computer which generates random nonsense (you do notice the random nonsense, don't you)? The only reality is the government-licensed and corporate-funded TV and Radio stations. Stay tuned in. Be a part. Don't let this silly internet nonsense trick you into leaving the Mainstream and becoming a thinker who is critical. God bless the Mainstream!

If reading, understanding, and following the Constitution of the United States is "extreme" then the United States of America is truly in trouble.

The mainstream media along with mainstream politicians, and mainstream New World Order advocates label anything that threatens their power and their wealth as "extreme." They use the word "extreme" to scare people, to inspire and to invoke fear, and to divert attention from the fact that the mainstream media and mainstream politicians have done more damage to this country than any "extremist" could dream of.

Although Dr. Paul has said he will not run as a third party candidate, I would love to see him run as a third party candidate. If he could marshal the forces left dormant after Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura entered and left the political arena then perhaps the country could create a viable third party.

Democrats and Republicans are one in the same, flip sides of the same coin, controlled by the same wealthy elitists seeking to protect their positions, manipulate the American public, and grow wealthy as a result.

We lack real choice in this country. We have the illusion of choice without actually having a choice. It's easier to control people if you give them the illusion of choice. They actually think they are in control of their own destiny when in fact the game is rigged.

I'm sure someone will label this post as the ravings of a lunatic predisposed to conspiracy theories but before that happens let me just say...we know who the players in the game are, we know what they do to manipulate the economy, the military, and ultimately the entire country. It may not be a conspiracy by definition but it certainly is a convenient convergence of power, wealth, and arrogance.

Congressman and physician Ron Paul is one of the last true statesmen left in America in 2007.

Thank God he exists because most Americans including me were beginning to think they no longer existed.

Nice try. But Paul will not make Buchanan's error and jump off of the bandwagon after taking New Hampshire. He will ride his delegates into the CONvention, and win on the third round.

And then that anti-war, civil liberties restoring, fiscal conservative nut job is going to kick Hillary's ass up and down this nation on his way to the White House. Because Hillary is the most evil incarnate ever to be White House bound, but all the GOP can put forward is a former mayor who's pitch for beating Hillary is that he is only slightly to the right of her (or slightly less evil). So vote for me. Once again, post-primary the public will be offered candidates who represent the evil of two lessers.

And after hearing the belly aching for decades that 'if only I had an honest politician to vote for'...well this time you do. It is a rare thing. So register Republican before the primary and don't blow your chance. Another one will not be coming.

THANK YOU for this article and for helping to inform others about Ron Paul's campaign. An example of how Paul is drawing support from the anti-war, pro-civil liberties left, as well as libertarians and the right, can be found in the enthusiastic reception for his new American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007, introduced in Congress recently. That bill would:

* Restore the right to habeas corpus by repealing the Military Commissions Act;
* Halt warrantless eavesdropping and spying on American citizens by requiring federal intelligence gathering to be conducted in accordance with the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA);
* Give Congress the ability to challenge the President's monarchical use of "signing statements" to avoid executing the nation's laws;
* Bar the use of evidence obtained through torture;
* Prohibit torture and arbitrary kidnapping and secret imprisonment;
* Protect the First Amendment rights of journalists who expose wrongdoing by
the Federal government "unless the publication would cause direct, immediate,
and irreparable harm" to national security;
* Prohibit the use of secret evidence to label groups or individuals as
terrorists for the purpose of criminal or civil sanctions.

The bill is generating excitement and endorsements from across the political spectrum.

Naomi Wolf said: "There is no way to overstate how crucial this piece of legislation is. ... A groundswell of millions of Americans of all parties rising up to insist on passage of the AFA legislation means that we are awake -- we get it -- and that we assert that an alert citizenry, not a whipped-dog Congress or a violently
abusive executive, decides what happens in this nation still. ... I will move heaven and earth to support the passage of this lifesaving agenda."

If Paul's campaign can bring left and right together with libertarians to restore our personal liberties and embrace a foreign policy of peace, then it will be a glorious day for America.

Why on earth do people keep hating on Ron Paul? The media loves to attack him for nothing more than the fact that he is 'different.'

- Dr. Ron Paul is intelligent.
- He served 5 years in the military.
- He has studied economics
- He was the ONLY republican to vote against the war
- He believes in Strong borders
- He is Pro-Life, but Pro-Stem cell research as well

He is actually aware of the problems. He knows WHY 9/11 happened. And no folks..it's not because they want to attack our freedom. Nobody wants to attack your freedom. That is ridiculous.

Wow, these flustered drive-by comments make me finally understand why GOP sites like Red State and Free Republic are so hostile to Paul's supporters.

"Wow, these flustered drive-by comments ..."

Dishonesty like this is why Ron Paul keeps gaining in the polls, in the donations, and in the voluntary activism. He has no real opposition, just dishonest little insult artists like Kevin Jones looking for attention.

Can you blame them, though? Ron Paul is getting the attention they wanted. He's getting the admiration and the money too. And it's because his message is correct. Little fools can't debate the message, so they insult and hope it makes them seem intelligent.

Ok...this may be a "drive-by" comment, but if I see any article on the web, that, once again manages to either subtly, or in a pound us over the head with a sledgehammer way, try to trash R.Paul, I am not going to stay quiet anymore.
I am so done with being polite. And I was brought up to be polite.
People. This is our future we're talking about.
I am not an extremist. I just want my country back.
And the author of this article needs to stop and think.
A Libertarian cannot win an election. There are 2 parties, only, that the MSM will even acknowleledge. Rep. and Dem.
And R.P. fits the basic Republican message.
And STILL they won't acknowledge him.
I have absolutely no party affiliation.
I have always voted for what I thought was right.
And Ron Paul is right.

Look at his bio, he's an ex-mainstream journalist. Ross cannot be convinced otherwise, so why waste your great energy on him, it's like talking to a punching dummy. It's us against the paid-to-write, not think. And when I say us, it is the global us, all peace loving, liberty seeking people, like myself, from Switzerland. And guess what, that is a heck of a majority, with no left, right or liberal label. The label is peace and freedom. The author obviously cannot be free to write his mind, he is paid to write such nice things about Dr. Paul. Enjoy your "free speech", Ross, as long as you still can.

the media is mostly bias against mr. paul. but lots of people see through the mindwash and special interests --

more are opening their eyes... do your homework, find out for yourself what is his record, views and solutions to big problems we face as a nation.

vote ron paul 2008.

The American Freedom Agenda, an organization of conservatives founded last March 20 to restore checks and balances and protections against government abuses, requested all presidential aspirants, including Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, to sign an American Freedom Pledge.

They were asked to renounce the following powers if elected: torture; presidential signing statements; indefinite detentions of American citizens as enemy combatants; military commissions that combine judge, jury and prosecutor; spying on American citizens in contravention of federal statutes on the president’s say-so alone; kidnapping, imprisoning and torturing suspected terrorists abroad; executive privilege to shield the executive branch from Congressional oversight; prosecuting journalists under the Espionage Act for exposing national security abuses; listing organizations as terrorist groups based on secret evidence; suspending the writ of habeas corpus during the conflict with international terrorism; and invoking the state secrets privilege to deny victims of constitutional wrongdoing any judicial remedy. Senator Clinton has balked at signing the pledge, as have all other candidates except Representative Ron Paul.

Bruce Fein
Chairman, American Freedom Agenda
Washington, Oct. 24, 2007

While I agree with yourr main point--that Paul is extreme--I can't let this go:

"see Newt Gingrich, for instance, a center-right futurist whom the press painted (with an assist from his own undisciplined mouth) as a fascist nutjob"

Talk about down is upism. Gingrich IS pretty much a fascist nut job whom the MSM painted as a respectable figure.

The constitution is the greatest document ever written. The dream of the founding fathers has been manipulated and this will lead to the economic collapse of the United States within 50 years. The Austrian school of economics can allow us to escape the business cycle and the perpetual debt that it has created. Americans are becoming poorer every day. In 20 years true home ownership will be impossible. The numbers currently stated represent those paying their mortgages. You don't OWN it if you haven't paid it off. Small manipulations of statistics like these can mislead the people. Home ownership may be at an "all time high" but so is individual debt. We are all owned by private interests. Time for Americans to take back our natural rights. God bless the Constitution. I am a poor student and I donated $125 to his campaign. I am registering Republican in Michigan and easily encouraging others to do the same. The Machine can only push the people so far.

Who'd have thought that a mainstream Republican with a classically conservative message would end up sounding so liberal that he is accused of being a radical, and by others as, "certifiably crazy"? I guess this illustrates just how far the neo-cons have dragged this country into the bottomless pit of avarice, fear, and greed. After hearing Ron Paul's views, some of which I do not agree with, I realize that as president, he may do things that will piss me off. At least I'll be pissed off in a free country and will not have to fear being arrested for voicing my opinions. This leaves me with no other choice than to become a registered Republican so I can enjoy the honor and privilege of voting for him.

Ross,

No bots going on here this is freedom and patriotism at work. Like some posters suggested there are no opposing arguments with any validity. I do appreciate that you had any story at all because it all helps to bring Ron Paul’s message to the mesmerized masses. Like your friends suggested, Ron Paul stories will boost your numbers. By the way, if you haven’t researched this man’s history of true conservatism I highly recommend it. Perhaps it could allow you to write a less biased article in the future.

Regards

Paul

What a pathetic excuse for an article, which backroad upstairs 12 hour writing school did you rob for your degree?.

Ron Paul is clearly a Rupublican, the so called "Mainstream" republicans today are neo-con hacks who have changed what the party once stood for. Are you to sheltered on your mothers teet to see that?.

Ron Paul will win. So how does it feel to be a part of the problem?.

Chump, buy yourself some self respect and take your hand off it.

Ron Paul represents a tradition within the Republican party that goes back at least a hundred years - to the debates over the Federal Reserve Act, the Internal Revenue Act and US participation in WWI and the League of Nations. Notables include Charles Lindbergh, Sr, Sen William E Borah, and Howard Buffet; not to mention "Mr Republican" himself: Robert A Taft.
How can any Republican call himself or herself "conservative" and show no respect for history or tradition?

"The conservative declares that he acts only after sufficient reflection, having weighed the consequences. Sudden and slashing reforms are as perilous as sudden and slashing surgery." Russell Kirk on prudence.

Advocating leaving the UN and the WTO are not prudent acts. Abolishing the Internal Revenue Service is also a rather radical action. I'm not sure even Robert Taft suggested it.

In addition Mr. Kirk said, "The thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society."

Trying to go back to the Party of Taft is not recognizing the change in situations. Gradual change is not opposed by conservatism.

I saw Newt on Meet the press presenting his idea to implant RFI chips in all Iraqis so they could be more easily tracked by our brave fighting men and women. Tim I-love-power Russert wasn't bothered at all.

Let's all vote for Ron Paul.

Dunno about Ron Paul central sending the paulbots out. I followed a link from Crunchy Con, which was posted on Vox Popoli.

Al wrote: I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?

All one has to do is execute an occasional search on "Ron Paul" via Technorati.com or Google.com to find the latest news articles and blog posts on Ron Paul. People who are interested in Ron Paul and his campaign are obviously going to curious to see what others online have to say about the man and his message. There is really nothing particularly surprising (or conspiratorial) about that.

What is surprising to me, though, is how rarely one observes a similar level of online commenting from the supporters of all the other Republican candidates, supporters who certainly have the same access to online resources to promote their candidates as the Paul supporters.

To Al

Judging from what I've gleaned over the last 9 years online libertarians and minarchists are disproportionately represented on the Web. Judging from life and online I'd say those types are also likely to be a bit obsessive. A joke about libertarian-types is that they might be right about many things, but they're the type of people that will bore you to death explaining their plan to privatize the highway system. (I think this was on "Politically Incorrect", and I sort of killed the joke but it was more of an observation than a joke to start with.)

So I think many of them would be the type to go to Google news every day and type "Ron Paul." And testing it this blog does appear on a Google News search for "Ron Paul." Now people who are for Huckabee or Romney or McCain tend to be less likely to use the Internet for news. Certainly less motivated to put their candidates name in a GoogleNews search too often.

In addition Ron Paul has little to no chance at anything. There is really no way he will win the Republican nomination. If it started to even seem possible there'd be enough rallying to Giuliani or Romney or Thompson or McCain or whoever to squash it. Paul is the favorite of groups like the John Birch Society and the Republican Liberty Caucus, but neither group represents enough in the rank-and-file to really win out. In addition the possible nominees would not choose him as a running-mate because he's too different than them or would fail to win them anything. So the futility of his candidacy makes supporting Paul like supporting a noble lost cause. As a Pro-Life person I know supporting a lost cause can be quite motivating. (I'm at times skeptical abortion restrictions in the US will ever match those of say France or Luxembourg)

We are going to be free! Ron Paul is likely going to sweep the 2008 elections! Id say the probability he is the next POTUS is 90-95% now.

People are screaming FREEEDOM! like William Wallace rigt now. They are going to have to kill Ron Paul like they did JFK or RK to stop him now, and I fully expect the MSM, military industrial complex and the CFR types to go after his life because the smear tactics are backfiring!

VOTE RON PAUL FOR FREEDOM, its your **LAST CHANCE**

the anti-paulites had better wake up and smell the coffee. Dr. Paul represents only the good kind of extreme, the type of extreme that Jefferson or Washington were accused of at one time. Ron Paul is a sane man living in insane times. He is a man ahead of his time. MSM elite have no idea what constitutes 'electability' and We The People are going to drag them kicking and screaming through 8 years of a Ron Paul presidency whether they like it or not. The Anti-Paulites in the mainstream media have no credibility, they have spent all of their political capital and their fall is wholly inevitable as America regains its sovereignty from the special interest groups.

Ron Paul 2008 ftw

"They are going to have to kill Ron Paul like they did JFK or RK to stop him now, and I fully expect the MSM, military industrial complex and the CFR types to go after his life because the smear tactics are backfiring!"

I think statements like this are a good example of why Paulites are seen as a lunatic-fringe in politics.

It is extremely unlikely anyone will kill Ron Paul. No one has killed Perot or Buchanan have they? As far as I can tell it's been forty years since a US Presidential candidate was assassinated.

As for his odds he's sixth so far going by most scientific polling. http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm http://pewresearch.org/pubs/630/religious-groups-presidential-candidate-preferences If a military-industrial conspiracy was going to kill someone why kill a 70+ year old man who's still nowhere close to winning despite having lots of cash?

Thomas R,
Ron Paul has won more straw polls then the rest of the republican candidates combined. http://thecaseforronpaul.com/SP.aspx

He has won nearly all after-debate online/text polls.

Why do you not take these into consideration?
May be, just may be, because you are biased?


These so called scientific polls are totally out of touch with reality. They are polling a sampling from 6% of republican voters who voted for Bush in 2004 primaries.