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The Ron Paul Phenomenon

06 Nov 2007 09:57 am

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A couple of thoughts, neither terribly original. First, his remarkable fundraising success is good news for extremists everywhere. I don’t mean to use “extremist” pejoratively; I just mean that the entire apparatus of national politics in this country, from how the parties are organized to how the media covers election, has evolved (or been intelligently-designed, perhaps) to exclude anyone who deviates too far from what's understood in Washington as the political mainstream. When “extreme” figures manage to break through and succeed in this sytem, it’s usually because they aren’t really that extreme at all – see Newt Gingrich, for instance, a center-right futurist whom the press painted (with an assist from his own undisciplined mouth) as a fascist nutjob, or Howard Dean, a moderate liberal who was cast as the second coming of George McGovern because he opposed the Iraq War and acted, well, angry. Whereas Ron Paul actually is an extremist, insofar as he holds positions that are way, way outside the Beltway mainstream. And his (admittedly limited) successes hint at an internet-enabled future in which, for good or ill, a hundred ideologically-diverse flowers can bloom - or at least run ads in New Hampshire.

Second, if it wasn’t clear already it should be clear now: Paul ought to run as a Libertarian in the fall. Those Republicans who say that Paul is too far outside the party, ideologically-speaking, to be running for its nomination aren’t that far wrong: I suspect that if the Democrats take the White House, certain elements in the GOP will rediscover their 1990s-vintage fealty to a Quincy Adams foreign policy, but for now at least Paul’s positions are at once popular enough for him to run a well-funded campaign and almost completely unrepresented in the mainstream of either party. Which is precisely the stuff of which principled third party runs are made. I doubt that even an impressive Paul performance (say, 5 percent of the vote) would make the Libertarian Party a viable force in American politics (particularly since much of his support would come from single-issue anti-war voters with little interest in constitutionalism); his run, like every other third-party run before it, would be too personality-driven to create a lasting legacy. But if he believes what he says he believes – and particularly if the race comes down to Hillary-Rudy, or even Hillary-Romney - it’s at the very least worth the effort.

Photo by Flickr user Revolute used under a Creative Commons license.

Comments (126)

excellent post.

A third-party run would be a total waste of time and Ron Paul is on the record of saying as much. As soon as the GOP manages to boot him out of the running all the supporters (I am one) will simply head home and let the apathy wash over us again. It's just the way of our broken two-party system.

I believe that constitutionalists supporting Ron Paul and anti-undeclared war voters are one and the same.

I think Paul's basic point is that running as a 3rd party candidate is simply not very practical -- there are too many hurdles to overcome.

We are growing.

We want freedom and prosperity by our definition, not the Government's poor example. We will actually see more flock to this because the media is failing to understand the Internet.

When I talk to people on all sides, no one is talking about the supposed front-runners like Hillary or Rudy, other than to say ick.

Mainstream Media is fast becoming second tier. Catch up!

sad day when wanting to follow the constitution makes you "extreme"

I'm 30,I don't fit in with the marching orders of either party. I usually have to pick the lesser of two evils. Nothing ever changes and we as a people are more divided than ever. Its encouraging to see someone like Dr. Paul bring together a wide swath of views and demographics even if it doesnt translate into a victory. Americans are remembering that they have a voice and we the people can make a difference.

Ron Paul may not have a chance, I don't care, Im voting for him anyway and I will continue to support his cause.

The best thing about his run is the infusion of a whole generation of people like myself that are getting involved and making our views and opinions known. The apathetic generation X is starting to make some noise. Hopefully we can keep the ball rolling and make some real change.

The new youth revolution is waking up the errors made by our parents and returning to individual liberty. Our liberties have been slowly eroding over the last 70 years by the misguided actions of our parents generation. The individual is the smallest minority and this is the start of my civil rights movement.

"Paul ought to run as a Libertarian"

Why 'ought' Paul run as a Libertarian? Is that strategic advice?

I suspect that there is no reason behind this 'ought' other than the author of this article does not agree with Paul and would prefer he have as little chance as possible!

If the GOP is truly incompatible with Paul's positions, he will lose! That is his decision to make.

So please, in a reasoned and non-ad hoc fashion, complete this simple sentence for me:

"Ron Paul should not run as a GOP candidate in 2008 because ..."

I strongly disagree that Paul's principled stands on issues like foreign policy and deficit spending make him completely anathema to his chosen party. It is precisely the fact that, as you state, *neither* the Democrats nor the other Republican candidates differ very much on these issues which highlights the need for Ron Paul in the Republican party. Ron Paul can and should win in the viable Republican party.

Extreme? Indeed.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
-George Orwell

Why do you think the ANTI-WAR is the only reason people are voting for RON PAUL? When it's safe (maybe unsafe) to say that his civil liberties may be why most people are voting for RON PAUL. Consider the fact that nothing has really changed since we have given up our freedoms for security. In 2008 we'll have to have a NATIONAL ID to vote, open a bank account, travel internationally and to enter any type of government building or park. So for me and other Americans, I believe that our civil liberties are a higher concern than any foreign war. Especially a war that was NOT declared. If we do not elect RON PAUL then we'll see that my statements will soon be your concerns too. "Loving my neighbors as myself" and "Having NO other gods" is where I stand. Vote your heart. I will.

Neoconservatives ARE the third party.

I'm in the midwest and i can assure you that the Republican party here is the same one from 7 years ago. I've no doubt the current pack of big government, foreign policy of the gun Republicans would like to see Paul drop out and run 3rd party. It would add legitimacy to their hijacking of what was less than a decade ago, conservatism.

Ron Paul has been there, done that, with the third-party run. The rules are stacked against third parties -- unless the candidate, himself or herself, happens to be a billionaire. If you want strong third-party candidates, then why don't you campaign to support Ron Paul's legislation to change the rules for third parties. That's the only way you will ever see credible third-party campaigns.

I don't think all of the ron Paul support is quite as superficial as suggested above. Yes the youth are fueling alot of the enthusiasm of the RP campaign,however they appear to be surprisingly knowledgeable, about the constitution. The radicality (in the sense of "rooted") of Ron Paul's positions make him as much a teacher as a candidate. In some ways he plays a paternal role bringing wisdom and common sense where for too long soundbites and stylish haircuts have dominated campaigning. This fearless humble man is so very refreshing and brings out the staleness, rehearsedness of the company men called the front runners of the GOP.

Ron Paul has been elected as a Republican for all of his 10 terms in Congress. He is a Republican. He took a break from the Republican party to run on the Libertarian ticket in '88. He is a traditional values Republican and the truest of Republians out there. It is the other candidates who have strayed outside party lines. Educate yourself on true Republican values before posting a half-true article.

" little interest in constitutionalism"?
The Constitution is the message! You just don't get it...
But surely the time will come and even you will understand.
Nice article though!

How do you define a party ? I think the Idea is to change the party. Hopefully, the libertarian leaning coalition will run some candidates, from Congressman to dog catcher, to evolve the party to something useful for this next century, rather than the Bush Dinosauers.

For god's sake someone needs to oppose the rampant growth of the STATE

Ron Paul has been elected to congress 10 times, as a Republican every time. Why should he change his party just to run as president? And when did constitutional views become extreme?! And did you go to journalism school or just watch Fox News for a few weeks and now you know what time it is?

Check out the constitution. It's not too hard a read; I think even you are capable of comprehending a great deal of it:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

It's about the Constitution! It's about wholesale loss of our civil liberties!

Yes, I agree with the other posters above that there is no reason for Congressman Paul to run as a third party candidate. Although Americans are largely distrustful of the two main parties, the paradox is that few will vote outside them.

Overall, Paul's values are traditional Republican values as I understand them and Paul has said that himself often enough. The leadership of his party has rejected him. Well, that'll make it tougher for Paul, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that Dr. Paul's views are quite popular with many Americans who have heard him, hence the outstanding fundraising snowball. That will enable his message to get out to more. And that can only mean more money raised and more voters selecting him for their state's primaries. This outsider is less of an outsider every day.

It's time to let freedom ring again in america. The two party authoritarian system has had it's death grip on America for too long now. It's time for generation x and the youth to make a real change in the power structure. Ron Paul in 2008.

Get this sir....He is a Republican! He has been since he stepped into the political realm! He ran once as a Libertarian once...Everyone knows that the dirty system dont work. its either R or D! He is not outside the Box. His views are basic and sound. I dont understand why folks discredit him. He is for Liberty, for Freedom. For the people! And will become President by the people!

Dr. Ron Paul! God bless that good man!

IMHO Ron Paul is very unique in the field of candidates. So many of us are critical of our elected officials, and then we just perpetuate the problem by voting for the same philosophy of which we are critical. Paul offers opportunity for significant difference.

Comments will be made to the effect "Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, so I'll vote for _____ (fill in the blank)". Imagine where we could go if people voted for whom they thought was best for the position, instead of for whom they thought would win. If we elect the best person for the position, we ALL win!

people all over the world,not just in the USA,is tired of one thing particularly: POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS!!!!
this is the tool globalists use to put countries on their knees,now it's the time to rediscover what they hate the most: NATIONALISM!!!!!
I think this is one of the main reason for Ron Paul's success

Nice try Atlantic.com - but it won't work. People are now onto the "mainstream" disinfo game. The neo-cons and liberals have merged into one organization committed to global hegemony via wars of conquest, paid for with the money and blood of the people. The middle-class is dissapearing and the dollar is free-falling. The left-right paradigm has become utterly transparent. Why you can't see this is either a matter of ignorance or arrogance on your part. In either case, your transparent attempts at dismissing the good doctor are only helping to fuel the Revolution. So thanks.

I'm a 45 year old male who has voted third party for 20 years. While Democrats and Republicans differ at the philosophical level, the two major parties are essentially one and the same. Neither well represents the average American and both are kept in power by the corporations, special interests and super rich.
Ron Paul is the first Republican presidential candidate I've ever endorsed or supported financially. His is a message of hope for the majority of Americans.

Are Giuliani or Romney or McCain or Thompson or Huckabee going to run third party campaigns? Because they don't really belong in the Republican party, and they really aren't going to win the nomination let's be serious here.

Man.

Ross got Ron Paul-bombed.

Whatever you guys want to say about how it ought to be-- and trust me, I'm a lot closer to Ron Paul than Republican orthodoxy-- on an elementary level, Ross is right. Ron Paul represents a significant break from the mainstream of the Republican Party. Whether that is a result of the wishes of the actual constituents of the RP, or because of the leadership apparatus of the RP, I can't say. But you can't pretend that he isn't a fringe candidate within the party.

Notice, though, that that doesn't mean I think it's wrong to support him, or that the system isn't silly. But on that banal point, Ross is absolutely right.

Are all of these journalists a bunch of opining biased shills? It is so OBVIOUS. Their tacit insinuations and subtle phrasing aren't fooling anyone except for the intellectual lilliputians. How pathetic. Go Ron Paul!

But what happens if Ron Paul organizes a mass effort online to get people to the polls and, you know, spam the election?

Is the party gonna cancel the election like an online debate poll?

Ron Paul is a just, honest, intelligent man who has defended the constitution for the past thirty years. He advocates peace and personal freedoms, what's so extreme about that? He's also done "extreme"-ly well in straw polls, you know, where active voters actually show up, as opposed to polls conducted via landline telephones to "chosen" participants. Politics is won by those who show up, and Ron Paul supporters are indeed showing up. $4.2 million in one day, with average donations of about $120, Ron Paul truly is a top-tier republican candidate!

This is totally the man for America! If what he stands for is true then this is the man every True christian should vote for! America needs to open her eyes to the truth or else she'll go down like rome and all the other great empires before her.

3rd party? We live in a 2-party nation. If you want to be elected you have to run in one of the two-parties. If your views or even the mainstream views of the American people don't correspond to those of the controlling party activists, then you are out of luck in this country. Sure, these dominant party views change over time as the parties are taken over by activist factions, which is what the libertarian movement is trying to do now within the Republican Party. But the fundamental principal remains, that when you have a one round simple plurality voting system that you only have room for two parties. At the cost that at least a third of the nation may feel left out of our election process and wholly unrepresented and disenfranchised in government.

I would argue that we would actually have a more democratic system with only one party as long as party committees has no control over who was or was not a member. But that would be unconstitutional. Better yet, just have an open primary where all the candidates may be tested against each other and not just a carefully chosen subset where the party machines can carefully manipulate the field to maintain party discipline and keep government jobs and money going to their loyalists.

In the general election, any other candidates besides Democrats and Republicans are spoilers and undermine the very concept of democratic representation. Having a third candidate ensures that whomever elected only has minority support and perhaps even only the support of slightly more than a third of the voting public. And given that a good chunk of people don't like the candidates enough to vote in the first place, that means you might get an elected leader with the support of a very small percentage of the public. It is bad enough as it is without watering down the legitimacy of our election system even further.

I am a Ron Paul Supporter and I might vote for him in the General election even if he does not win the Republican nomination, but I would have no expectation that a third party vote would actually be any better for America than just staying home on election day.

We need real election and ballot reform in order to retake control of our elections from the party machines. Perhaps approval voting or a run-off ballot would do the trick. But we don't need more spoiler candidates that just make for juicy news stories without giving Americans real choices to make.

Run as a Libertarian? He gets those votes automatically. He needs to win the Republican nomination. Then he'll get the Republican votes combined with all the third party votes, plus the real anti-war Democrats. And, we'll avoid the more-of-the-same thinking that is stifling this country at home an abroad.

Ross - don't write about Paul. As this thread shows, it only unleashes the hordes. The crazy, conspiracy theory-loving hordes.

Nice choice of photographs at the top of the article. The ripped makeshift banner in front of the empty lot really helps to show that the Paul candidacy is pitiful and inept. Good thing you didn't accidentally show hundreds or thousands of Paul supporters, rank and file Americans, showing up to cheer on their guy. That would have kind of messed up the message you're trying to send, right?

Oh, one more thing. I don't want to make you nervous or anything, but what with stuff on the internet being archived and all the day may come when people look back on what was "reported" by the media in a cynical attempt to derail Dr. Paul's run for the Presidency. We will well remember those who tried to betray the Republic in her hour of need.

I just want to ask where is FOX NEWS on reporting Ron Paul's phenomenal $4.2 million one-day-haul? You know where? Nowhere!

I'm sure most of you already know how biased Fox news is. I just don't see how ANYONE even watches that channel. They are a FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATION, reporting only what fits in their agenda!

I say ALL AMERICANS BAN FOX NEWS!

I think the main stream media has evolved into the extremist position in this election cycle. Constant war, the dollar going off the cliff, gas/oil prices through the roof, rigged elections & poll numbers, the ongoing rush towards a police state, you name it, we're SICK of it and our votes will collectively show that position. They (the powers that be) ignore Ron Paul at their own peril.
For me and in relation to the status-quo, Ron Paul is like the dreaded middle finger display and I shall support his stance on all things political, all the while knowing which and in who's direction that middle finger is pointing...

Nice article. I'm so used to spin in Ron Paul pieces, that I almost had to do a double take. Some things I don't agree with, but on the whole, good job.

Ron Paul is not extremist. This government is extremist. How can you even justify a government that starts wars and interventions perpetually, builds Iraq while New Orleans is in shambles and burns coal for power and keeps increasing foreign oil dependence. This government has failed, and this is a time to vote for Ron Paul to flush this terrorist government down the toilet. The only extremists here is the maniacs that cling to the government of the military industrial complex.

All this talk of a third party run... let's take a look at a little Poly Sci 101 here... If anyone other than Congressman Paul wins the Republican nomination, we WILL have a Democrat in the White House... period. Here's why:

No Republican, save Paul, can distance themselves far enough ideologically from the Democrats. The so-called front runners are all very moderate republicans who are merely a color shade or two away from being true blue Democrats. The more "conservative" Republican candidates (DunMike TancredAbee) are truly long-shots with no real money to make a serious bid for the nomination. When faced with a choice between Osama Clinton or Rudy McRomneySon, the public is going to lean Democratic... especially when the Dem's (and the media) turn on the anti-republican, anti-bush rhetoric during the general election campaign.

Then there's the prospect of Paul or someone else running a third party ticket. It's doubtful that Paul would attempt it since he has already been there and done that. He also knows that a third party candidate will mean the death sentence for the Republicans. A viable third party candidate will pull at least 10% of the vote away from the Republican (as much as 25% if it's Paul); percentages that the Republican candidate, no matter who it is, can ill afford to lose.

So, in short... it's Ron Paul for the nomination or nothing. If Ron Paul fails to get the nomination, many of us, including myself will simply stop voting and prepare our families to ride out the upcoming storm of government oppression, tyranny, and our nations total economic collapse.

I'd be curious to see the IP addresses for these comments....

Let's put all previous thoughts of the other candidates aside and just for once quickly focus on Ron Paul and what he stands for:

- Abolishing the Federal Reserve:
Absolutely no other candidate has brought this up. And this is of very high importance. Why? Because the Federal Reseve is a private entity, nothing Federal about it. It's located on Constitutional Ave but it is unconstitutional to give the power of 1) money creation and 2) interest rate policy / regulating the economy to a different institution other than our government. Why would we pay this private institution money for the creating our own currency? And it's not just a small amount. The USA is paying interest for the money the Fed is creating! That's about 40% or so of our income tax, waisted on this private Federal Reserve...

- Ron Paul is against the IRS:
Ron Paul is not for abolishing all taxes, but the Federal income tax the way we currently have it is unconstitutional. We are already paying taxes on gas for the road maintenance, property taxes for schools, taxes on food, state taxes, car registration tax, and INFLATION TAX! So think twice before labling those that are against the IRS and the federal income tax as "unpatriotic" and as those that don't care.

All taxes combined we are paying about 50% taxes. In many cases even more than that! 50% is just a number but if you think of it in manual labor it might start sinking in. If you were a farmer and you have 10 fields with strawberries, patatoes, salads, etc. 5 of those fields you water, fertilize, maintain, to give the fruits of your labor away. That's not exactly what the founding fathers had in mind...
By getting out of silly, unnecessary wars that create us more enemies than we previously had we will not only save much money but we can get rid of the income tax without neglecting the important projects at home.

Ron Paul is also for individual freedom, a sound currency system, humble foreign policy. How can you argue against that? Is that making him extreme? I guess as extreme as the great founding fathers of this country.

Here are the tests:
1. Is he photogenic? No.
2. Does he have a deep, resonant, syrupy voice? No.
3. Does he show a subtle arrogance and disrepect for his opponents and his audience? No.
4. Does he talk often about his personal life, his faith convictions, or highlight his supposed links to the common people? No.
5. Does he normally speak in simple, easily digested sound bites, avoiding extended lines of analysis? No.
6. Does he just do the public performance and let his speech writers and handlers think for him? No.

Not a viable candidate for a major party. Better run as 3rd Party and we'll give you, oh, 5%.

The very idea of "electability" is an interesting one, in that, WE THE PEOPLE determine someone's "electability."

It’s not the polls, or MSM or…whatever. It’s US!

The object of an election is to put into practice, at the governmental level, the ideals, that are consistent with the U.S. Constitution, I as a voter/taxpayer/American citizen deem beneficial to me personally and me corporately (being a legal citizen who cares deeply about my country).

It’s really quite simple: if enough of US decide that we want our government operating under such-and-such ideals, and we vote based on that desire (not the “lesser of two evils”), it can and does happen.

History, recent and not-so-recent, is replete with examples of “underdogs” triumphing: “Navy Beats Notre Dame, Ending 44-Year Losing Streak” (Nov. 3, 2007); “Appalachian State 34, No. 5 Michigan 32” in “one of the greatest upsets in college football history….” (Sept. 1, 2007); in early-2003, Joe Lieberman was leading the field for the Democratic Presidential nomination yet failed to win any primary; in early-1991 Bill Clinton was at 2% and went on to win the Presidency; in early-1975 Jimmy Carter was polling at 1% and went on to win the Presidency.

Would to God that we as citizens would approach the election process with the fervor, intensity and no-holds-barred approach that we can see in life’s other activities. I can assure you that, although some members of the Navy and Appalachian State teams had their doubts, they were encouraged to believe in themselves and to make the best possible effort they could, being unwilling to settle for anything less than that best effort.

No, no, NO, folks! Our job as U.S. citizens and patriots is not to "pick a winner," which seems to me to be a view which trivializes our opportunity and responsibility as citizens. We’re to carefully consider all our options and then vote based on what is best for our COUNTRY!

One by one, as each of us decides that our vote IS important and that we are modern stewards of this great country, for which so many have given so much, THEN we begin to realize what we must do.

For me, that means expending whatever resources I can to make right what so many have worked so hard to destroy: my country...the United States of America. This great land deserves nothing less than the best I have to give. Can I truly call myself a "patriot" having done less than I could for this great country? What kind of American am I to see an opportunity to install into the White House a man with demonstrable and impeccable credentials and then do little to nothing to forward that effort?

No! I will have no part whatsoever in sitting idly by as others who, in the name of God or Money or “Compassionate Conservatism” or “Honor” or whatever do their utmost to denigrate and dissolve this great country…MY country! RON PAUL for President! Viva la Revolución!

P.S. If someone doesn’t like the way the U.S. was designed to operate and opposes a return to that way of thinking and governance, I politely suggest they find another country that DOES provide all the services and care they desire from their government. (“Paging a Mr. Robert Altman and Mr. Alec Baldwin…Final boarding call for any and all flights departing America….”) But that is NOT the way the U.S. was designed and I, and millions of others, intend on returning the U.S. to it’s roots…it’s Constitutional roots.

You are wrong in thinking that his supporters are only interested in his anti-(Iraq)war message and not about the Constitution. We are very much interested in Constitutional government. We value our freedoms, we value our liberty, we value what this country was founded upon. We are disgusted with the bloated federal government that intrudes on all of our lives through regulations, taxes, unaccountable agencies, and a general lack of respect for the Constitution. We support Ron Paul because of his ideas, his integrity, and his record.

We are the Sons Of Liberty. Welcome to the Revolution.

Assuming that the comments are all from different people, I'm curious how they all get the message to come to a particular blog to comment. I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?

You're saying that no explanation for the $4.2 "money bomb" exists?
People donated money on November 5th because Ron Paul is NOT a top tier candidate?

Which is more absurd?
1. The polls are correct. Ron Paul truly has 1% of the population as supporters, and nearly all of them donated on November 5th.

2. Ron Paul is enormously popular and not all of his supporters donated on November 5th.

The surge in funds is because the message of freedom is also enormously popular?

Remarkable that, this fund-raising event was NOT organized by Ron Paul 2008 PCC. His supporters made this happen -- remarkable that...

Shame on you for supressing the strongest grassroots movement we have seen in decades.

I was a Republican a long time ago, but left the party... er.. the party left me. Now I'm back, supporting Ron Paul because he represents many of the things that I used to like about the Republican Party.

It also doesn't hurt that he is probably the most honest and ethical man ever to run for president - don't underestimate how important that is after 16 years of Clinton/Bush, and government of, by, and for the corporations.

Paul ought to run as a Libertarian in the fall.

Also, I think it's pretty clear that, to Douthat, the election is All About The War.

Douthat is promoting the anti-war position, and sees Paul as a means of drawing votes away from whichever pro-war Republican gets nominated. I think it is pretty clear that, if Paul runs as a third party, he will draw much more heavily from the pro-war Republican than the anti-war Democrat. Which is exactly why Douthat says that Paul "ought" to run.

Posted by Minipundit "Ross - don't write about Paul. As this thread shows, it only unleashes the hordes. The crazy, conspiracy theory-loving hordes."

We happen to be the American people, and I'll bet you wouldn't have the spine to say that if you were in a room full of us. Naw, I didn't think so. Just keep walkin', minipud.

Don't overlook the intensity of his support as an x-factor in the Primaries. Unless the voting machines are rigged, Paul is close to doing the unthinkable. Blogs like this one, and every MSM outlet, has pounded the drum that "he can't win". Well... look where we are now: way beyond the MSM worst nightmare. What's incredible is the MSM and the ideologically biased bloggers have NOT learned anything - they still discount Dr. Paul's run. Incredible.

Folks: If Paul wins NH, SC and places well in IA the mainstream media will find a way to continue to discount his chances! It won't change - but, again, if the votes are actually counted, Paul has a serious chance at winning the White House.

Mark my words: if he wins the GOP nomination, his battle against the Dems will be comparatively easy. He'll peel off all but the hardcore big government, pro-choice liberals. He'll win in a Reagan landslide.

In response to an early comment by Bryan.

I am also a Ron Paul supporter. However, if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination I won't be too apathetic to vote. I will just have to vote for the democrat in the general election.

Ron Paul is a true uniter. He is the only republican that stands a chance in the general election. When will republicans realize this?

As an independent, he'll never get on a ballot. He won't need to switch parties, watch. And I think everyone ought to take election day off from work, vote and camp out in front. This will let everyone know the number of Ron Paul voters. Seems like a decent way to see if there is voter fraud. Kill electronic voting, dead.

There is so much time before the primaries and this campaign is growing and gaining followers at an exponential rate. Ron Paul has the time, money,support, and the message to win the nomination and the presidency.
If you don't know about Ron Paul look at his voting record, he's a 10 term congressman there is plenty of substantial evidence of how he will act as president. Look up some of his speeches on google or youtube. Hear him speak and you will understand why he inspires Americans.

"Assuming that the comments are all from different people, I'm curious how they all get the message to come to a particular blog to comment. I mean, is there a central place that puts up a message "New post about Ron Paul at www.-----.com, so go there and comment"?"

It's called Google. This comes up on the first page. With a million Paul supporters don't be surprised if a few hundred of them google an article. Jeez, were you raised in a cave?

Oh shut up.

I'm tired of people like you. If people are going to go and vote for him, he can win.

Most people in America don't vote, especially in the primaries, especially when no other Republican caught fire.

I don't think 100% of the Republican party transformed with Bush, in any case the party of Taft, Goldwater and Reagan are the REAL Republicans, Rudy or Romney should make the Neocon party.

Bush/Cheney hijacked the party. We are getting it back.

The comments are more insightful than the article. At least you admit your thoughts a unoriginal.

Minipundit, ridicule is always the last form of defense. Look at the neocons right now. They don't want to answer legitimate question without telling you to shut up. Your candidate couldn't dream of having the same enthusiasm in a month as Ron Paul gets in a week, and that burns you up. So you call us tin-foil hat wearers, loons, nutjobs, and conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately for you, people are seeing right through the garbage spouted by you and your ilk. I guess Ross should post about mainstream drivel, since it must appeal pretty well to you. Looking at your worthless little blog, you're a little young to be calling people conspiracy theorists. Go do some research, and stop following the hordes of put downers like a good mindful sheep.

BTW, is a U.S. Dollar collapse a conspiracy theory? Answer that question and see if your status quo candidate can answer it with anything other than "the economy is fine." That would be a good start for anyone, kiddo.

Some news for you: the "Beltway" doesn't get to decide who will be the next President.

Some news for the news business: voters don't *need* you to dictate the best candidate anymore. This little internet thing has killed your monopoly.

Some news for the Bush establishment: it isn't your party anymore, to do with as you please. You can't conserve what Republicans do NOT want: big government, trampled liberty, and managed markets.

This isn't your grandpa's GOP any more.

Ron Paul isn't an extremist.

But the average politician in Washington IS an extremist.

Who here wants to continue the war in Iraq? A war over weapons of mass destruction that were never there? Who wants to let the people who got us involved into this war though lies off the hook?

Who here wants to continue spending $500 BILLION dollars a year that we don't have and pay interest on it?

Who here wants to start yet another war with Iran?

Who here after seeing what a complete disaster the Federal response was to Katrina wants to continue funding such a worthless organization?

Who here wants the Federal government to continue devaluing EVERY AMERICAN'S savings through intentional inflation by creating more money at will, in effect taxing us all for not being in debt?

Who here wants to let the Federal government continue ignoring it's own laws with regard to illegal immigration instead of having the Federal government EITHER change the laws or enforce the laws?

Who here wants to continue a multi billion dollar a year "war against drugs" after 30 years of it, especially after Gary Web exposed the CIA's direct involvement of keeping this trade going?

Well, then you're just a "radical" - just like almost every American is.

I am tired of my government lying to me like I'm some simpelton that can't see through the lie. Bernake claiming we are going to have a strong dollar policy is a lie, they intend to devalue the dollar. The CPI at record lows is a blatant lie, all you need to do is go to the grocery store. The reason for the Iraq war was a lie. The Democrats we elected to take out out of Iraq lied about their intentions to take us out. The threat of Iran is false, there is no threat from Iran. I'm just so damned tied of it and both parties today are completely untrustworthy. Nothing that the mainstream parties claim can be trusted.

The GOP are counting on RP supporters not showing up to vote in primaries so they can ignore him and continue playing their world-wide chess games.

Have we not shown that we're front and center at straw polls, post-debate polls, grass roots support, military support, and in now - in a big way - in Money?

The massive support will come out in stampeding droves at the primaries. That's the day we're all gearing up for!

Ron Paul 2008! God bless this man!

I find it very notable that Paul's main support comes from the west half of the US map. Might his supporters start networking in those states to form a "Sagebrush caucus" that will outlast 2008?

I don't know if this is possible, but if Dr. Paul does not get the Republican nomination, I will request an absentee ballot and write in his name. I suggest all my fellow Dr. Paul supporters do the same, if possible. God bless Dr. Paul and our fellow Americans.

When a libertarian is classed as an extremist (I appreciate the irony naturally) you have to wonder just how perverse our society has become.

It's the neocons that are not real Republicans. In fact the "con" in neocon more fittingly stands for "con-men" than for conservatives. Neocons are losing their decade-long strangle hold on the party and they're getting fidgety - which is why we're seeing lots of misleading articles like this one. Real conservatives have always stood up for individual responsibility, smaller government, and non-interventionist foreign policy. Thats the truth.

Mr. Douthat should do more research on his subject matter before posting. REPUBLICAN Congressman Ron Paul wants to lead the Grand Old Party back to the conservative roots of Taft and Lincoln. It may be extreme for the average American to accept classical ideas of limited government, yet understandable after generations of Marxist indoctrination from our public schools and communication systems. Thankfully Dr. Paul has a remedy starting with the elimination of the DOE. Yes, this may sound extreme to those who cannot otherwise understand surviving without a nanny state to protect them. We extremist who take personal responsibility and want to assert our rights of Life, Liberty, and Happiness welcome the opportunity. Early evidence seems to support this "extreme" silent majority might be bigger than the machine predicts with about 37,000 extreme individual donations totaling $4.2 million yesterday. None the less, this machine (The alphabets, Faux, Leftist Rags, and their willing outlets) continue the attempt to discredit Ron Paul by making him out as a "Libertarian" or "extremist" yet they cannot take away his integrity, record, and popularity. He is a genuine leader for our Republic, the likes of a modern day Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison.

Perhaps YouTube has replaced the BoobTube. I predict the machine is in for a rude awakening post 2008 elections by the Masters of America – We the People – We the Extreme!

So, Ron Paul shouldn't run as a GOP? Should Robert Taft have? Barry Goldwater (Mr. Conservative, who son endorsed Ron Paul)? Ronald Reagan (who endorsed Ron Paul when he said the same things back in the 70s-80s)?

No, Ron Paul IS a Republican. He represents the traditional Republican. People need to remember what it means to be one.

Jesus fuck.

Ross, you ever wanna boost your blog hits, you know what to do.

I have to say, for the most part, at least your article was decent for a change. Unlike some of the responses, I do believe this country is ready for the FIRST INDEPENDENT ticket to WIN. We simply haven't been ready for this before. If Rudy & Hillary are the proverbial "picks" of the elite, then, yes, I do believe strongly that Ron Paul would have an enormous chance to win against them. Call me a long shot for saying that, but don't tell Giacomo he couldn't win, because he won the Kentucky Derby from the back of the pack. Like Giacomo, Ron Paul is slowly moving up the pack...

No need to head to the Libby Party, Ron Paul will win the Republican Party - already today in our state campaign we have had Core Republican defectors moving to the Paul campaign because of the money - they believe he can now win. Ron Paul is a genuine Conservative, and as much as the media wants to spin it, its not working.

"Posers waive the flag, patriots waive the constitution!" Give me Paul or give me death! Ron Paul 2008!

It's about the Constitution and Our Rights, Freedom, Liberty, Money or lack of(fiat), Un-Constitutional IRS...taxing our labor, etc.

I love Ron Paul! Let's build him a White House!

Many people perceive Ron Paul as an decent, honest and honorable man who speaks truth to power. And they are right. On another message board I was watching, a fellow from Belgium wrote in disputing the establishment's take on Ron Paul as being too "extreme". This gentleman saw Rep. Paul as quintessentially American. So do I. VP Cheney spoke of the "last throes" of the insurgency, but IMO, America is in the last throes of a free Republic, and a president Ron Paul would represent "a new birth of freedom."

Very Very Sad day in America when following the constitution makes you an extremists. Our country is founded upon the principles of it. He stood his ground when everyone else voted for the Patriot Act. We need more people like him. RON PAUL in 2008

Have we really come so far that we have forgotten the very roots of our nation? Is the US
Constitution as interpreted by the original plain language meaning of our founders intent so
obsolete? Is the Declaration of Independence a dead letter? I wot not.

Are these simple concepts of freedom and individual liberty extremist views? So be it, if that is what you wish to believe. This is all that Dr. Ron Paul M.D. ever espouses, is these simple American foundational concepts. So if he is to be esteemed a radical, then so am I. If this makes him an anarchist in your view, so am I as well. ..."way, way outside the Beltway mainstream?" Thank Goodness! More of same is not what we need with our nation and our liberties at risk.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The middle class being destroyed by a corrupt, broken government based on a debt based monetary system provided (at interest) by the privately owned bank called the Federal Reserve. That middle class and those with an understanding of economy as it relates to the monetary system and fiscal policy see the writing on the wall and that writing is bleak. We want monetary reform and bank reform and we want out of meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations. Ron Paul voters are fanatical for no other reasons then they pay half their income in taxes, they know what rights were robbed from them by the Patriot Act, and they are no longer falling for the lies that have taken us to war in the middle east. The people spoke when they fleeced the Senate and the House and are speaking again in the Presidential election. Make no mistake: yesterday was only the beginning. We are buying back our country by investing in the one commodity the banks, corporations, and lobbyists can’t take from us: the message of Liberty that Dr. Paul carries and the integrity he has backed it with in his long experience (and record) in Washington.

How is being anti-war an extreme view? Ah, the question answers itself.

I'm with Bill.

Ross, if you have a daily or weekly Ron Paul post, with the comments enabled, damn, you're going to get more unique hits than the rest of the Atlantic stable combined.

If we can get rid of the IRS/payroll/income tax machinery WE THE PEOPLE can take back this great country from the politicians who use our OWN MONEY to retain power!

"And his (admittedly limited) successes hint at an internet-enabled future . . ."

Limited: in what sense? The big media are becoming irrelevant (as Paul's record-breaking fundraiser shows); and we can do this without them.

The attempt at slander is Mentally Minuscule.

The Comments have more substance than the Article.

The attempt at marginalization displayed by the "Guilt By Association" with the "Minority Of Undesirable Supporters" argument is a tragic tale of Emotional rather than Logical driven media of todays day and age.

Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

I fear that we have gone to far in our current plight. There is a Force of Americans attempting to counter The Lunacy that is rooted in Washington and those with only Narrow Understanding fight them at every turn.

Those Who Assume Benevolence Are Easily Led And Foolish.

Core Character Counts.

Ron Paul; The Message Is More Important Than The Man.

Those Republicans who say that Paul is too far outside the party, ideologically-speaking, to be running for its nomination aren’t that far wrong

Personally, I think Ron Paul's success should be a wakeup call for Republicans. The party used to have a pretty solid reputation as a small-government, low taxes party that pushed the idea of personal liberty and responsibility. (Whether they deserved the reputation is a separate question).

Outside of the South, this was a big part of their appeal - especially for the "Live free or die!" contingent. Look at a map of Ron Paul's donor base - it's heavily located in the West and in New Hampshire. That's not a mistake.

With the exception of Ron Paul, the party simply cannot lay claim to those values anymore. If Republicans continue to ignore this problem they'll soon become a regional power, dominant only in the South.

Predictions are wishes pretending to be wisdom. Every month, the Ron Paul campaign produces important surprises and after every one of them a chorus of condescending pundits announces that it doesn't count because they see the future and don't expect any more surprises.

And it appears that their wishful thinking nearly always takes the form of name-calling. "Extremist" indeed. Ron Paul's campaign is extremely surprising. And if we look at the trend, it indicates more surprises.

Suggesting that Ron Paul should drop out of the Republican party (where he has run successfuly for 10 terms) and go away because he is out of the big government "mainstream" is to suggest that he ignore the people and do as the politicos-in-power would wish him to do. Not a bright suggestion.

Ross, if you have a daily or weekly Ron Paul post, with the comments enabled, damn, you're going to get more unique hits than the rest of the Atlantic stable combined.

Uh, that's unique hits? You sure?

Dr. Paul is an "extremist" only in the way Thomas Jefferson was an extremist-- coming out of what was mainstream at the time (monarchy) and creating liberty. Who cares if his views aren't what the political mainstream is? The mainstream is wrong, as it so often is.

Give him fair coverage along with the rest, stop with the name-calling in coverage, and let's see how he does with a fair shot like everyone else has. Let people see his positions and we'll see how many votes he gets.

As one example of egregious reporting, I saw on CNN's Political blog yesterday a large story on how "300 Republicans" were switching to vote for Barack Obama in New Hampshire. Just 300? Ron Paul has droves of independents and Democrats registering for him in New Hampshire along with the Republican base he draws, and he gets no coverage like that. It's absolute madness.