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Mid-Century Exceptionalism

10 Dec 2007 11:06 am

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You'll often hear that when George Romney, Mitt's father, was contemplating a presidential run, almost nobody cared about his Mormonism - which shows how far we've fallen from the ideal of church-state separation. Except that public opinion hasn't really changed between then and now:

As far back as 1967, only three-quarters of Americans said they would vote for an otherwise well qualified person who was a Mormon. This year – some 40 years later -- the results to this question are almost exactly the same.

Larison writes:

[George Romney] did face this problem, but failed to gain any ground as a presidential candidate before there was that much time for the issue to become a prominent one. We may forget, as we now enter the eleventh month of this election campaign (11 down, 11 to go!), that Romney started his campaign for the Republican nomination in November 1967 and by the end of February he was out. He was a declared candidate for a little over four months. He had made his famous “brainwashed” remark earlier in 1967 before becoming an avowedly antiwar candidate (an example his son has definitely not followed). His son started organising the preliminary elements of his presidential campaign in 2005, and there has been active speculation about his presidential run since mid-2006 at least. There has been much more time to ponder the implications of this factor, much more time to do a lot of polling on it, and much more time for pundits and bloggers to write endless commentaries on the topic.

The issue has taken on added significance in the nominating contest because evangelicals, many of whom would have been Democratic voters in 1967-68, have since started voting Republican much more frequently. As a Republican candidate before the 1968 realignment, Romney would have been more insulated from the early pressures his son is now experiencing. Had he been a Democrat, the issue might have become more significant in the nominating contest.

I would only add that a lot of people are confused about why religious issues appeared to be less salient in the politics of 1950s and 1960s.

Jon Chait, for instance, in the piece that touched off a couple of lengthy responses from yours truly, wrote:

It is true that the secular nature of postwar U.S. politics was not the historical rule. It was progress: The America of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries was a less hospitable place for religious minorities. The temperance crusaders and the populists, for instance, were religiously steeped mass movements with more than a whiff of, respectively, anti-Catholicism and anti-Semitism. The secularism that has generally prevailed since World War II is precisely what has allowed a Catholic to be elected president and a Jew to be nominated as vice president, among other ways that religious tolerance has expanded.

But this “progress” wasn’t the result of people waking up one day and deciding they should leave religion out of politics; it was the result of sociological trends that were unique in American history, and couldn't possibly be expected to endure. Thirty years of immigration restrictions; the rise of a mass-market media with a commercial interest in being as inoffensive as possible; the homogenizing impact of large-scale federal mobilization, first in the New Deal and then in WWII and Korea; the withdrawal of America’s evangelicals from political activism; and the absence of the “personal-is-political” divisions opened by the Sexual Revolutions – all of these factors and more made the ecumenical “Protestant-Catholic-Jew” landscape of the ‘50s and ‘60s possible, in the same way that they helped create the larger “end of ideology” moment in American politics as a whole. (It’s easy to be tolerant and anti-ideological when everybody increasingly looks and sounds and even thinks the same; it’s easy to embrace a “secular” politics when religious divisions seem to be steadily narrowing to the point of unimportance.)

But these homogenizing trends didn't last, and I’m pretty sure that most of the people who pine for the “secular politics” of the Fifties wouldn’t want them to have lasted. America is a more diverse country than it was in 1960; its cultural landscape is more varied and more fragmented; there’s no WPA and no draft; evangelicals are back in the political arena; and the debates over feminism, abortion and gay rights have opened up political and theological divisions between faiths, and within them, that simply didn’t exist when JFK ran for President. Which is to say that the United States has become, well, normal again: It's the homogenization that held sway in the mid-century period that was exceptional and unsustainable; our diversity, and the religious and ideological feuding that goes along with it, is what's to be expected of life in a mass democracy.

Comments (22)

And in any case that homogenization wasn't "secular" in any Chaitian sense. The 1950s were the decade that placed "In God We Trust" on coins and "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance; it was the decade when Dwight Eisenhower said "our government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don't care what it is"--a statement nearly identical to Romney's much-derided one on the same subject.

There was a Yale historian awhile back who seemed to show that Eisenhower never said that. Apocryphal.

Thirty years of immigration restrictions; the rise of a mass-market media with a commercial interest in being as inoffensive as possible; the homogenizing impact of large-scale federal mobilization, first in the New Deal and then in WWII and Korea; the withdrawal of America’s evangelicals from political activism; and the absence of the “personal-is-political” divisions opened by the Sexual Revolutions...

That's not a bad assessment of the reasons why religious divisions were absent from political discourse in the '50s and '60s, but I fail to see how most of these items are relevant today. The anti-catholic and anti-semitic reactions to the previous era of immigration weren't just temporarily obscured by the New Deal and WW2, they were essentially wiped off the American political map for good.

You'd have a very hard time making the case that the political climate was better for Jewish and Catholic politicians in the 1960s than it is today, or that the major religious sects have ever been more ecumenically-minded than they are today. And while our bland, homogenized three-network pop culture has fragmented into hundreds of satellite-channel niches, you'd be hard pressed to make the case that mainstream American culture, on the whole, has ever been more secular than it is today.

No, you're laying a large number of red herrings around the issue, but there are only two explanations for the increasing politicization of religion in American life since the 1960s. First, there were the radical changes to our sexual and social mores during the Vietnam era. Second, there was the backlash that brought conservative evangelical Christians back into the political arena, and drove their decision to find common cause with conservative Catholics, Jews, and mainstream Protestants against liberal bogeymen.

At first I thought you were going to talk about the declining grip of elites on public discourse. The religiosity upsurge may be a part of the democratization, and vulgarization, of the public sphere. Forty years ago, there was no Jerry Springer and no John Hagee.

After WW2 Americans were proud of their status as the most powerful, most innovative, most promising nation on the planet, and most of them saw a progressive impulse as a positive thing. Then the forces of regression started to push back, using fear as the main weapon. Fear of blacks, fear of commies, fear of drugs, fear of crime, fear of "welfare queens," fear of terrorists. In every single instance these fears were hyped beyond the reality of the actual threat.

Ronald Reagan came in and gave everyone permission to be stupid. Not just mildly stupid, but down-to-the-core stupid. Now flagburning somehow became an important issue, and deficit spending went crazy because no one in the executive branch knew how to count over 21. (That's fingers, toes, unzip.) For Republicans, talking about how Christian you were and how tough you were became the only things that mattered, except for TAX CUTS. Holy shit, gimme some more TAX CUTS.

In the New Stupid Age some hill-dwellers who had been off handling snakes and drinking moonshine and marrying their 13 year old cousins and beating up sissies looked around and knew their time had come.

Praise Jeezus!

Then the forces of regression started to push back, using fear as the main weapon. Fear of blacks, fear of commies, fear of drugs, fear of crime, fear of "welfare queens," fear of terrorists. In every single instance these fears were hyped beyond the reality of the actual threat.

What an idiotic narrative -- first of all, what fear has ever existed, visible in politics, that hasn't been hyped beyond its reality? Second, the fear of, say, crime, was pretty rational if you look at the numbers. Now, I'm guessing Moe hasn't ever been mugged, but crime was a real problem, and "progressive" policies made it worse.

I'm no fan of the drug war, but there was good reason to be afraid of the effects of drugs, as well.

If _this_ is how Moe really thinks the last thirty years look, he's a lot stupider than I had thought. What a simple-minded (in the literal sense) story! It's like "fairy-tales for uneducated lefties" where there's a heroic progressive movement with no flaws, a bunch of sinister villains with completely fake concerns, and so forth. My goodness, Lucas would be ashamed to use this as a plot for a Star Wars movie...

I guess Moe really is just utterly ignorant or purely baiting, so there's little point in getting into discourses with him about literature or history.

It's interesting to be called "ignorant" yet again by a creature like TMoC, who doesn't even realize what a power-worshipping toady he is.

That fear is used by the powers he approves of more these days than it was when we were a better, braver, healthier country is best illustrated by remembering what Franklin Roosevelt said about it.

Of course no where in my little comment did I say anything about absolving all "progressives" in the degeneration of the nation. They have, for the most part, taken part in or rolled over when it came to the Completely Insane War On Drugs and locking up ridiculous numbers of people for ridiculously long periods of time. They haven't been nearly loud or effective enough in denouncing absolute lying crapola like Saint Reagan's racist "welfare queens in Cadillacs" rap or the Bushpig yammer about how a bunch of Third Worlders are going to bring down the West because they "hate our freedoms." They've held onto old models like race-based affirmative action for far too long, when emphasizing an economics-based "helping hand" approach would not only have been better policy, it would have been politically savvy.

TMoC would have us believe that today's conservative movement isn't dominated by dummies and rancid assholes with questionable motives and that it doesn't rely chiefly on irrational fear to sell its agenda. He's either a liar or a fool. No middle ground there, unless he is both.

Moe -- are there any issues where a conservative analysis is more correct than the "progressive" one (other than, I guess you acknowledge, race-based affirmative action)? That is, was "The Great Society" a good idea? Did it work? Could it have worked? Are there "progressive" ideas that don't actually work, because they are based on faulty assumptions about human beings? There are certainly, under the general rubric of "conservatism" some bad ideas, in my opinion. Are there any GOOD ideas there, in yours? Are there any profoundly flawed (rather than tactically, like affirmative action) ideas in "progressive" thought?

That's what I'm interested in. If the answer is no, then your reality is a simple heroes-and-villains narrative with no depth, as essentially nonsensical and "partisan" in the worst sense as that of Ann Coulter.

TMoC would have us believe that today's conservative movement isn't dominated by dummies and rancid assholes with questionable motives

Anyway, when did I say that? I just don't think it's particularly any more so than today's liberal movement. Dummies and rancid assholes with questionable motives tend to dominate human endeavors, in general. This is a pretty central _conservative_ insight, if you ask me. Now, if you possess that insight without any belief or respect in virtue and heroism, you end up with a rather rancorous and small-souled conservatism, but you're closer to the mark than Panglossian paternalist liberalism.

TMoC replies: "Moe -- are there any issues where a conservative analysis is more correct than the "progressive" one (other than, I guess you acknowledge, race-based affirmative action)? That is, was "The Great Society" a good idea? Did it work? Could it have worked? Are there "progressive" ideas that don't actually work, because they are based on faulty assumptions about human beings? There are certainly, under the general rubric of "conservatism" some bad ideas, in my opinion. Are there any GOOD ideas there, in yours? Are there any profoundly flawed (rather than tactically, like affirmative action) ideas in "progressive" thought?

That's what I'm interested in. If the answer is no, then your reality is a simple heroes-and-villains narrative with no depth, as essentially nonsensical and "partisan" in the worst sense as that of Ann Coulter."

Horseshit. If I claim (and I do) that the progressive impulse/orientation is innately superior to the conservative one, that doesn't require me to accept any and all policy decisions or tactical strategies that arguably arise from it.

As for "the Great Society" and whether it worked, if by "worked" you mean did it achieve Johnson's stated goal of "ending poverty," then of course it didn't work. Who ever really thought that it would? But if by "worked" you're asking if a whole lot of kids got fed and educated and housed - then yes, it worked. The battle over whether there will be a social safety net in this country is over no matter how much you authoritarian cheapskates want it to be otherwise.

By and large the states in this country that follow my preferred model are better places to live BY A FRIGGING LIGHT YEAR than the places in which your thinking predominates, I would say.

As for more "progressive" ideas that don't work, I think we'd have to have a rather large argument about what constitutes "progressive" or "conservative" these days. For instance, I would support a balanced budget requirement. At one time that was a conservative position, but as noted above, that was before Saint Reagan.

I suspect what you're fishing for is for me to denounce the Pill or feminism or somesuch favorite bugaboo of you and your buybull-thumping pals. It's not going to happen. I'll always value individual freedoms more than you do. I accept and acknowledge that great social difficulties can accompany changes - but then I also accept the right of individual gun ownership, which has some obvious (and daily) risks.

Moe --- no, no, I don't expect you to bash the Pill or feminism (I have listened to you, on occasion, man). I just think what you said is a rather facile look at The Great Society, which wasn't about the question "is there a safety net?" -- the New Deal "answered" that for a long time to come, I agree. It was about specifics in how "children were fed and educated and housed." In some ways, Clinton's welfare reform was a repudiation of some concepts inherent in LBJ's program. The neo-conservatives (i their non-foreign-policy guise) gave others. Do you think there's anything to that kinds of rewards/incentives and related arguments against the particulars of much of the Great Society?

The secularism that led to declines in religious bigotry no doubt had multiple causes. But we might be wise to seek to hold on to most of that secularism, not this time as a result of homogenization but as a deliberate decision in view of its recent record of producing these results for values most people share, notably a culture of political equality. Political debate naturally reflects cultural diversity, but it need not be driven by kinds of diversity (sectarianism and claims for the country's essential theism in a moral rather than statistical sense) that evoke not merely disagreement but an inability to argue and a culture of political inequality. In a sense, democracy in precisely the kind of pluralistic society Ross's post celebrates works by and depends on politicians' proposing things people who are different in countless ways can in potentially agree on, even if reaching that agreement requires lots of argument. This standard prioritizes public reason and suggests the wisdom of self-imposed limits on the ways in which religion is used in public debate. This condition holds even more when for those seeking the presidency, which is an important symbolic role as well as a substantive policy job.

Sorry, that last sentence should have been:

This condition holds even more for those seeking the presidency, which is an important symbolic role as well as a substantive policy job.

LaFollette,

First, there were the radical changes to our sexual and social mores during the Vietnam era.

...against liberal bogeymen.

Doesn't the previous sentence indicate that the bogeymen are/were real?

Mike S. quotes and writes: "First, there were the radical changes to our sexual and social mores during the Vietnam era.

...against liberal bogeymen.

Doesn't the previous sentence indicate that the bogeymen are/were real?"

No. Not even close. For instance, one of the changes to our social mores was the realization that American troops did indeed commit war crimes (ala Rusty Calley). I know some cons did and always will blame "liberals" for that fact becoming public, but they can go suck eggs.

Another "radical change" involved the normalization and (in some states) legalization of interracial marriages. Again, I know some cons still lose sleep over this, but that doesn't make the liberals who argued that life would go on "bogeymen."

Nowadays cons faint dead away over the horrible, horrible threat of gay marriages or civil unions, but in actual practice such things are about as threatening to society as televised bowling is. Mike S. may wake up with tremors and cold sweats contemplating these things, but rational people do not.

TMoC again: "Do you think there's anything to that kinds of rewards/incentives and related arguments against the particulars of much of the Great Society?"

No, I truly don't. I think you reptiles have faulty causation meters, and I accuse you of selective application of your so-called principles.

In any expensive government operation there is the risk and expectation of waste, and the knowledge that some people will take advantage of the system. Naturally there was fraud and waste in the social programs you bring up, but there is almost certainly a higher percentage of fraud and waste in programs you cons almost never mention. Farm subsidies, corporate welfare, military spending, make me laugh. Cons will babble until their eyes pop out about millions being spent of arts funding while BILLIONS disappear without even a good excuse in Iraq.

As for the supposed dangers of feeding poor people and giving them a disincentive to stop being poor, I just have to laugh considering the relative meanness of the "largesse" involved. I also wonder when the Golden Age of do-it-yourself was, when we didn't have a large population of the needy.

Here's what I think, TMoC. I think most conservatives love fairy tales, whether they be about Saint Reagan beating an Evil Empire (one dumbass view of history) or Archcrusader Dumbya bravely holding back jihadist hordes, or the Evil Libs of the Evil 60s ruining all that was good'n'holy. And yes, I think the presence of so many people who believe such garbage (or that Saddam was involved in 9/11, a view held by a MAJORITY of Dumbya supporters EVEN NOW!) means that America is fighting off one nasty Stupid Virus. That virus always swims to the right.

Moe,

I actually do agree with most of what you say here. Although I think that the Great Society would have been better off to focus on giving people cooperative ownership of farms and factories, or maybe public sector jobs, rather than throwing small amounts of money at them which weren't really going to solve their problems anyway. Regardless, I would agree with you that American ruling elite (both in its conservative and liberal manifestations) is essentially an oligarchy intent on preserving its own power. I don't know that all rank and file conservatives fit that model though, any more than all rank and file liberals are of the Amanda Marcotte 'more abortions, please" school of thought.

Marquis,

yes, obviously the Great Society had a lot of things wrong with it, and just as obviously the conservatives (both paleo and neo) exaggerated some of them. I don't think more reliance on the private sector would have solved any of them, though. I think that the public sector providing jobs and a society based on workers' and farmers' cooperatives is the solution. I don't doubt that you would disagree. but to make it clear, i do think that the disincentivizing work and other arguments are valid identifications of a problem, but i completely disagree that your side has the solutions.

as an aside, what if it were proven that time limits on welfare encourage more women to have abortions? it doesn't seem far fetched to me. that would seem to be a powerful argument against welfare reform.

Me -- "First, there were the radical changes to our sexual and social mores during the Vietnam era...

...against liberal bogeymen."

Mike S. -- "Doesn't the previous sentence indicate that the bogeymen are/were real?"

It indicates that religious conservatives were reacting against radical changes they did not want, and that they had legitimate grievances. I don't think the liberal bogeymen in conservative rhetoric, circa 2007, bear much resemblance to reality.

Hector,

Well, of course I have some sympathy for Chesterton's distributist vision. I just don't really think we can get there from here. But I don't know where we can get, and the solutions of the "left" generally come with such baggage even when agreeable in some ways that I cannot travel very far down that road. The capitalist right only gives a fairly empty lip service to the better things, but the more 'progressive' parts of the world seem to me to be openly hostile. Hypocrites or outright enemies? A pox on all our impossible-to-afford houses.

Marquis,

"The Left" is such a broad term that it includes a hell of a lot of people who don't have much in common with each other. What is it about the left-wing solutions that you don't like? Abortion? The Left in Latin America, these days, for example, is not particularly pro-abortion. The power of a centralized State? you could probably find people on the left who are opposed to that too.

I have some sympathy for 'distributism' too, but I'm a critic of it- from the Left. I don't think a distributist vision can possibly work without a strong and powerful State defending and serving as the protector, organizer and coordinator of the distributed cooperatives, etc. Small proprietors by themselves will never be strong enough to stand against the rapacious rich and powerful, without a State at their backs.

I don't think a distributist vision can possibly work without a strong and powerful State defending and serving as the protector, organizer and coordinator of the distributed cooperatives, etc. Small proprietors by themselves will never be strong enough to stand against the rapacious rich and powerful, without a State at their backs.

The State will never be "at their backs." It will be stabbing their backs.

The nature of modern elites who would necessarily comprise the leaders of such a state are such that (be they men of the "right" or the "left") the more power the State has the more centralized, compressed, and hostile to both freedom and order (in the personal sense, and in some social senses) it will be, because it will further draw those who seek such power to it.

Re: The 1950s were the decade that placed "In God We Trust" on coins and "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance; it was the decade when Dwight Eisenhower said "our government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don't care what it is"--

But these were exercizes in American Civic Religion, not in Christianity or any sort of personal religion. American Civic Religion dates back to the Founders (and owes quite a bit to the rational Deism of the Enlightenment). Politicians going back to George Washington have genuflected in that dircetion, including avowedly non-Christian men like Jefferson and Lincoln. As a rule, as long as specific theology was kept on the sidelines, agnostics and secularists made no objection to these practices. I really do think the fault lies more with Mrs. O'Hare and her ilk: it was the radical atheists who first breached the Religious Truce, challenging not Christianity but the theologically vacuous (and politically harmless) tenets of American Civic Religion. And after all, several European societies manage to combine Established Churches with secularism and liberalism on a grand scale, so that is not an impossible combination and crusading secularist liberals would do well to acknowledge that fact.


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