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Mitt Romney and Al Smith

10 Dec 2007 04:59 pm

With all the attention given to the similarities and dissimilarities between Romney's speech on religion and politics and the famous JFK address, it's interesting to note the parallels between what Romney had to say and how the first Catholic nominee for the Presidency, Al Smith, rebutted a critic as part of a back-and-forth published in (where else?) the Atlantic in 1927. Like Romney, Smith first sounded a strict-separationist note, writing that:

I should be a poor American and a poor Catholic alike if I injected religious discussion into a political campaign. Therefore I would ask you to accept this answer from me not as a candidate for any public office but as an American citizen, honored with high elective office, meeting a challenge to his patriotism and his intellectual integrity.

But speaking "as an American citizen," he went on to say this:

... I am unable to understand how anything that I was taught to believe as a Catholic could possibly be in conflict with what is good citizenship. The essence of my faith is built upon the Commandments of God. The law of the land is built upon the Commandments of God. There can be no conflict between them. Instead of quarreling among ourselves over dogmatic principles, it would be infinitely better if we joined together in inculcating obedience to these Commandments in the hearts and minds of the youth of the country as the surest and best road to happiness on this earth and to peace in the world to come. This is the common ideal of all religions. What we need is more religion for our young people, not less; and the way to get more religion is to stop the bickering among our sects which can only have for its effect the creation of doubt in the minds of our youth as to whether or not it is necessary to pay attention to religion at all.

This sentiment goes a bit further even than Evangelicals and Catholics Together, I'd say. But it's certainly consonant with the theme of an ecumenical religious politics that Romney gestured at in his address.

These sorts of general arguments about religion and politics, interestingly, take up only the first third of Smith's essay; the rest is an attempt, dense with quotations from theologians and archbishops, to challenge head-on the notion that Roman Catholicism might be incongruous with American democracy. Obviously, the Republican electorate's doubts about Mormonism are much more nebulous than the fears Protestants had about Catholics and the separation of church and state, and thus less amenable to a frontal assault of this sort. But it's still interesting to see how comfortable Smith (or his ghostwriter) was delving into the finer points of Catholic teaching. (Today's candidates, by contrast, seem to be the heirs of his suggestion that we stop fretting so much about "dogmatic principles" and other details of religious faith.)

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"The essence of my faith is built upon the Commandments of God. The law of the land is built upon the Commandments of God."

In fact, Smith sounds as dodgy as Romney. The U.S. Constitution, which is the law of the land, makes no reference to "the Commandments of God." The "great men" of the U.S. Supreme Court at the time, like Oliver Wendell Holmes, regarded the Catholic Church and its "natural law" tradition, with complete contempt.

Romney's real problem is that the evangelical churches regard the Mormon Church as a dangerously effective competitor in the field of missionary work. The evangelicals have no problem with Jews, who after all do not even accept the divinity of Christ, a far worse "heresy."

Except, um, for the fact that Mormons do not accept the first commandment.

Disclaimer: Romney may make for an excellent president. Who knows.

I'm reading quite a few who didn't care for the speech and it's content. I don't understand it because I thought he touched on just the right topics and was very inspired. I'm not the only one that feels that way(and some of those that agree with me actually have some clout when it comes to swaying public opinion). Dr. Land, Pat Buchanan, and others all agree it was a homerun.

One of my favorite opinions is:

Comment by Oran P. Smith, PhD, President and CEO, Palmetto Family Council
Final from College Station: Mitt 14; JFK 7 - Dec 8, 2007

Sorry to disappoint Oliver Stone and Robert Caro, but Mr. Romney's speech was more balanced than JFK's. It wasn't as defensive, and because it took on secularism, it was a more personal and complete treatment of the Church-State issue. Needless to say, I believe the Founders had it right when they suggested that purely secular creatures will always have difficulty governing themselves.

The line really that resonated with me, however, was his swipe at The Endarkened: "Raised up over generations, long ago, so many of the cathedrals now stand as the postcard backdrop to societies just too busy or too 'enlightened' to venture inside and kneel in prayer." Wow.

And what "first commandment" would that be Brian G?

The first of the Ten Commandments, or the one about loving God?

Because Mormonism teaches us to keep both of them. As to whether we really do... Well, who knows... But that's just as true of Catholics and Lutherans and Jews isn't it?

All the recent talk about Mitt Romney and Mormonism puts me in mind of G.K. Chesterton's essay (titled, coincidentally, "Mormonism"). In particular, this bit:

"We talk much about 'respecting' this or that person's religion; but the way to respect a religion is to treat it as a religion: to ask what are its tenets and what are their consequences. But modern tolerance is deafer than intolerance. The old religious authorities, at least, defined a heresy before they condemned it, and read a book before they burned it. But we are always saying to a Mormon or a Moslem--'Never mind about your religion, come to my arms.' To which he naturally replies--'But I do mind about my religion, and I advise you to mind your eye.'"

http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~mward/gkc/books/Mormonism.html

Wow, Brian G.,

Pretty offensive rhetoric. As a Mormon I'm glad that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and not you, will judge whether or not I accept the first commandment (which I do). Or, do you know my heart too?

"In fact, Smith sounds as dodgy as Romney. The U.S. Constitution, which is the law of the land, makes no reference to "the Commandments of God.""

Well, all the statutory laws are also the law of the land, and those have an undeniable root in centuries of Common Law and Christian tradition.

Strange how this "dodgy" talk has been going on for decades and decades. It's almost like it is based in a popular, living American tradition.

Well, all the statutory laws are also the law of the land, and those have an undeniable root in centuries of Common Law

Absolutely right.

and Christian tradition.

Whoa! Where did that come from? Common Law is called "common" to distinguish it from Canon Law. It doesn't come from Christian tradition at all, except in as much as it comes from the legal tradition of a Christian country (England).

Sorry to cause offense.

I only meant to say that Mormons do not understand or assent to the First Commandment in the way Jews and Christians do; ie, as a belief in monotheism and an absolute prohibition of any other view.

This is a tired conversation and I apologize for starting it again.

Conservative preachers only get away with the uninformed claim that the Ten Commandments ( Exodus 20: 1-17) are the inspiration underlying the U.S. Constitution when they are blessed with an audience of "believers" who have never read that Constitution,
which has little to do with ANY of those "Commandments":

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ." (Not in the Constitution.)
2. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." (The name of the Lord is not mentioned in the Constitution, not even in the Oath which it requires of the president "before he enter on the Execution of his Office." in Article 2, Section 1. )
3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me". ( The Constitution neither mentions nor rank gods. The First Amendment protects the free exercise of all beliefs and forbids establishing any one faith over others. )
4. "Honor thy father and mother". [ [Not in the Constitution.]]
5. "Thou shalt not kill". [Not in the Constitution.]
6. "Thou shalt not commit adultery". [Not in the Constitution.]
7. "Thou shalt not steal". [ Part of every legal system before as well as after biblical times.]
8. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". [Not in the Constitution.] ( Maybe it should say, "Thou shalt not bear false witness about these Commandments.")
9. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife". [Not in the Constitution.]
10. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's". [Not in the Constitution. ]
See much MORE at http://churchvstate.org/

You're right Brian. It is a very tired conversation. And one that traditional Christians haven't even come close to closing the book on yet.

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