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Romney's Mormon Speech

03 Dec 2007 11:58 am

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Marc has a good rundown of the pros and cons. Jay Cost, in a characteristically sharp piece, notes that this sort of reactive turn-on-a-dime is par for the course for the Romney campaign:

His candidacy has been the most transparently strategic this cycle. McCain is up? Go after McCain. McCain is down? Leave McCain alone. Thompson enters the race and seems a threat? Take a cheap shot about Law and Order. Thompson fades? Ignore him. Rudy is up? Go after Rudy. Huckabee is up? Go after Huck. You need to win a Republican primary? Make yourself the most socially conservative candidate in the race. And on and on and on.

If somebody asked me which candidate on the Republican side has won just a single election (in a year that his party did very well nationwide) -- I would answer Mitt Romney, even knowing nothing about anybody's biography. This kind of transparency is, to me, a sign of political inexperience. He's only won one election, and it shows.

Meanwhile, Larison explains what makes the speech so hard:

The impossible balancing act is stressing the political irrelevance of the theological differences Mormonism really does have with Christianity while simultaneously claiming that this very same religion, whose distinctive substance is supposed to be irrelevant, informs and shapes his “values” that he will rely on to make judgements about policy. Another part of the balancing act (which is where it becomes really dangerous politically) is to declare that it is “un-American” to judge a candidate based on his religion without insulting the millions of voters who consider a candidate’s religion an important part of selecting their preferred candidate, while also paying homage to the “separation of church and state” without actually endorsing the idea that the separation of church and state has any constitutional basis (which a fairly large number of religious conservatives doesn’t accept). His speech will have to go something like this: “My faith, which is very important to me and has made me who I am, should not be important to you, but it is important that we have a person of faith leading this country, and that person happens to be me.”

Put me down in the "it's a big mistake" camp. The speech should have been given at the very beginning of the primary season, or after Romney won the nomination; it doesn't make sense to give it in response to Mike Huckabee's rise in the polls. Huckabee is vulnerable on all sorts of issues, and Romney has the money and the infrastructure to make sure that every GOP primary voter in America - let alone Iowa and South Carolina - knows all about the tax increases and the ethics complaints and the softness on illegal immigration and all the rest of it. Going after Huckabee on these issues probably wouldn't prevent the Arkansas governor from consolidating his current level of support, but the right line of attack should be able to stall his momentum in states like New Hampshire and Michigan and South Carolina, where Romney is well-positioned even if he loses Iowa.

But instead of making the conversation about issues where Huckabee is vulnerable and Romney isn't, the Romney campaign has guaranteed that for the next two weeks at least and probably beyond, the media conversation will be about, well, Mormonism. If there were more time before the actual voting begins, that might not be the worst thing in the world; they could get the wave of coverage out of the way, inoculate themselves to some extent, and then shift gears and start hammering Huckabee on taxes and immigration and so forth. But there isn't time: Christmas is coming, there's a very narrow window in which to define Mike Huckabee as a Mexican-loving crypto-liberal, and the Romney campaign has just ensured that everyone will be talking about the Urim and the Thummim instead of the Arkansas gas tax. Unless Romney gives the best speech in the history of speeches, I just don't see how that helps him win - in Iowa, New Hampshire, or anywhere.

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Comments (19)

I don't think I see the point either, politically. Maybe Romney just really wants to make this speech and his campaign is making the best of a bad job by doing it this week. But as a calculated gesture I don't see it. It would be like Giuliani buying TV time for a three-part retrospective on his affairs.

Maybe he will say his real God is Mammon.

I don't care if it is a big mistake-- it is the right thing to do to give that speech. A lot of American voters need to hear a message about religious tolerance, judging from the various prejudices (not only anti-Mormon but anti-Muslim, anti-atheist/agnostic/secular, and even, to some extent, residual anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism as well) that show up in opinion polls.

I will say one other thing. The nub of the problem is expressed in the sentence about how so many religious conservatives don't believe that the Constitution requires a separation between church and state. As long as there are a lot of voters who think that the Presidency and the US government generally should be used to advance the cause of Christianity, we are going to have a problem, and it will be a lot bigger one than the one Mitt Romney faces.

It is funny that when religious INTOLERANCE is politically useful, then Republicans use it. Demonizing gays, and people who have abortions is ok to gain political power to rip off the poor people.

HOWEVER, if a economic conservative is behind in the polls because he was just faking a religious basis for being "pro-life" then he wants to give a speech on the principles of tolerance, and separation of church and state.

Oh yea hypocrits!

Is it just me, or does the photo at the top of this post look a lot like Mordor from the Lord of the Rings movies?

On the substance, I think Romney will be ok if he specifies the positive aspects of Mormonism that shape his values. To imply that it is un-American to judge him on Mormonism won't work, though. If I were him, I'd say that voters should judge him on the whole package, Mormonism included, and just leave it up to the wisdom of the voters. A little humility would go a long way.

Christmas is coming, there's a very narrow window in which to define Mike Huckabee as a Mexican-loving crypto-liberal,

So you Republicans really are pretty well aware of the racist foundation of your party's support, aren't you?

Is it just me, or does the photo at the top of this post look a lot like Mordor from the Lord of the Rings movies?

Whoah! So much for religious tolerance. Since when does a beautiful sunset and historic architecture remind one of Sauron and his minions? Maybe Romney really does need to give that speech.

This is a huge mistake for Romney.

It may or may not be fair, but the more Americans actually learn about Mormonism the less chance he has of being elected. I would wager that he has almost zero percent chance of being elected if fundamental Mormon doctrines become a topic of public debate. Zero. The second Jesus' home planet of Kolab (etc.) is mentioned on CNN Romney is finished. Again, this may not be fair at all. It is, however, a stubborn political reality. Huge, huge, huge mistake.

I agree with the many that don't think this will help Romney. It seems like bringing the stranger aspects of Mormonism front-and-center, which is likely to happen, will not make for a good contrast with Huckabee's simultaneous rise as the "Christian candidate."

But I could also see the speech working out better than some folks think. I think what Romney will do is just emphasize the easier-to-swallow aspects of Mormonism (self-discipline, family, community, shared responsibility, etc.) and explain how those aspects have shaped him as a person and politician, without much getting into issues like separation of church and state. This would have the added benefit of showing a more human side to Romney. Of course, this probably wouldn't really resolve the doubts of those who don't want to vote for a Mormon, but that might not be possible anyway. Romney might be betting that by highighting the positive aspects of his faith and simultaneously emphasizing what a great fellow he is, he could win over some folks who are religious but like to think of themselves as religiously tolerant (perhaps Ross' moral therapeutic deists, who have likely heard bad things about Mormons in their churches but who otherwise are not predisposed against Mormons given that their theological convictions are not all that fleshed out).

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity's comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”

Perhaps the reason the pastors denigrate the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is to protect their flock (and their livelihood). It is encouraging that Paul Weyrich, Wayne Grudem and Bob Jones III, (along with Jay Sekulow, Mark DeMoss, and Dr. John Willke, a founder and past president of the National Right to Life Committee.) have rejected bigotry and now support Mitt Romney on the basis that he is the most moral candidate with the best qualifications.

It's precisely because he can't possibly pull it off that the speech won't actually deal much at all with Mormonism. Oh, I think it will have the thin veneer of JFK, but remember, this is the primary season, and Romney has a former Baptist minister nipping at his heels. He going to use this speech as a platform for tossing out a big, heaping pile of red meat to cultural conservatives, making common cause between the religious right and Mormons. It wouldn't strain credulity to argue that strong family values, strict moral behavior, and worship of Jesus are principles the two groups share.

He still may not be able to pull it off, but he'd fail not at attempting Sorensen-style high political rhetoric, but at a rallying cry for Christian evangelicals.

The funniest part of Ross's post is the implication that Christianist voters might actually let concerns about "ethics complaints" trump their bizarre faith-based bigotry. Let's be serious here - these are people who still think DeLay and Gingrich and Frist are heroes.

Nothing Mitt's faith teaches him is any more ridiculous than Huckabee's fundamentalism - nothing. I just wish this country could get back to deciding elections on the basis of issues that actually matter and skip the my-sky-fairy-can-beat-up-your-sky-fairy crap. But I guess Ronnie Reagan's legacy of stupidity continues.

I think the real question is how many loops and volte-faces Romney will do in the same speech. I can see this guy babble something about "religious tolerance" and then in the next breath say something about how he isn't going to let any stinkin' Muslims anywhere NEAR his administration.

Re: grumpy realist's comment

It's sad, isn't it? But how exactly does a candidate lacking fundie credentials run the GOP god gauntlet these days without looking like a hypocrite or a fool? McCain started babbling about how this is a "Christian nation" and "of course" he wants Christian presidents recently. I guess bowing before the Bob Jones wackaloons wasn't enough.

Giuliani is trying to avoid these questions by promising to be the biggest, baddest anti-Muslim of the bunch, but his interactions with the fundies remind me of the meeting between Michael Corleone and the Nevadan WASP senator in "Godfather II."

Of course Romney's "Mormonism" matters, especially to people of color. The media doesn’t seem to pick up on the fact there’s overt RACISM in the Book of Mormon itself—and how that makes people of color feel watching this being swept aside as “no big deal.” Perhaps these pundits are ignorant to that fact or perhaps because they are white it doesn’t bother them. A very large portion of the Evangelical Christians are black and people of color. Christians don’t only denounce Mormonism because it is a cult, more specifically it’s because the Book of Mormon, which Mormons consider their “bible,” STILL contains overt racist “scriptures” against people with “dark skin.”

The Book of Mormon that Romney believes and supports, states that God curses certain individuals with dark skin; the races are determined by how worthy individuals were prior to this mortal life; and blacks were not as faithful in their first estate; that God cursed people with dark skin to keep them from interbreeding with their white brethren; and that God blessed some who repented with white skin. Nothing concerning the revelation in 1978 to give "all worthy males members" the priesthood invalidates or denounces those racist beliefs.

SOURCES: (Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:61-7; McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 527-8; Alma 3:6-9; 2 Ne. 5:21-4; and 3 Ne. 2:14-6).
http://www.mormoninfo.org/ MORMON RACIST DOCTRINE: http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm

Now, if Romney were to denounce the Book of Mormon, that would be a different story.

So next time anyone reports on why Evangelical Christians don’t accept Romney due to his Mormonism, be sure to include one of the biggest reasons: RACISM in the Book of Mormon. Otherwise, you’re just not reporting the whole truth.

Monique, the Bible can be argued to endorse slavery, and before the civil war many people adhered to that interpretation.

And unlike the Southern Baptists, who to this day really haven't taken any responsibility for their endorsement of racism, the Mormons took responsibility and did finally change their scripture.

Again, ALL religions are bunk. The problem is believers in one set of indefensible beliefs attacking another set.

Mike Huckabee as a Mexican-loving

Typical Beltway smear of those opposed to illegal activity. The issue with Huck is more one of just loving the Mexican Government.

Dilan Esper, slavery in the Bible is completely different from the slavery pre-civil war. The Hebrew word used for slavery actually means "Indentured Servitude". This was used as a way similar to how people get promotions and benefits in a company. Generally someone who had no land would become a slave under a master for usually 7 years or more according to the Bible, take Jacob's peril for example. But the slave after 7 years or whatever was negotiated in the contract, the slave get a portion of the master's land that he can call his own or he would be able to marry the daughter of the master along with other rewards. This is completely contrary to slavery pre-civil war where slaves worked for years and never owned their own land and were abused and treated horribly. The form of slavery practiced in the Bible is no different than what we practiced today in business and is not the form of slavery that practiced pre-Civil War.

Basically you work for a company x amount of years and after certain amount of years of faithful service, you get bonuses, promotions, and other benefits minus marrying the bosses daughter, lol.
And even longer time serving the company grants you access to stock options where you own a portion of the company just like the slaves in the Bible after a certain amount of time in service owned a portion of the master's land as their own.

We practice this form of indentured servitude in America so when people say that the Bible endorses slavery, it's really the form a indentured servitude practiced today. Look at the parables that Jesus used about slaves and masters and how the good slaves shared in their masters wealth. Now while in other portions of the old testament their were evil forms of slavery practiced, it's important to realize that the Old Testament is a history of Israelites and so just because some Israelites owned slaves and mistreated them badly, this doesn't mean the Bible is giving the okay nor was God okay with it either. Just because certain events happen in the Bible doesn't mean God is okay with the events. However if you look at the Book of Mormon, Pear of Great Price, and Doctrine of Covenants their have been many changes made in them. One of the changes were that blacks couldn't hold the priesthood, this is what Monique meant by racism in Mormonism. When has the Bible ever said, "Blacks can't be priests?" Nowhere in the Bible can it be found.

Just had to correct your view of slavery in the Bible.


While Christians have in the past participated in owning slaves and abusing them, that doesn't mean that the Bible promoted that form of slavery nor is it part of the Christian faith to do so. Just like a couple of Catholic priests sexually molesting children doesn't mean that it's part of the Catholic faith to promote child sexual abuse.

And it's important to note that in 1776, the northern states of the Union had abolished slavery, it was the southern states that practiced it.

Like so many Christians who make apologies for biblical embarassments, Andrew Thomas resorts to fudging the truth about slavery in the buybull. The "indentured servitude" parallel only applies to HEBREWS who were slaves of other Hebrews. Foreigners were slaves for life and could be passed on to one's descendants as though they were cattle.

"Masters" were also permitted to beat their servants with great severity, even to the point of killing them, and as long as the slave lasted more than 24 hours after the beating, no penalties would ensue.

For anyone to pretend that this is analogous to current employment is dishonest and purely stupid.


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