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Edwards Today, Huckabee Tomorrow?

22 Jan 2008 10:46 am

Last week, contemplating the possibility of a Huckabee defeat, Rod Dreher wrote:

For us Huckaboosters, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for our man to drop out, and spend the next four years doing some hard thinking and networking, getting ready for 2012.

This notion inspires Larison to describe the Huck as “tomorrow’s John Edwards.” He goes on:

What I mean is that a failed Huckabee run would put him in much the same position that Edwards’ failed ‘04 campaign put him these last several years (and Edwards had the advantage, so to speak, of being the VP nominee, which I doubt Huckabee will receive given the intense hostility to him wthin the party leadership.) Huckabee may spend the next several years doing hard thinking and networking if he drops out, but I doubt he will be preparing for another presidential run. If the example of John Edwards tells us something, it is that repeat candidates for the nomination tend to perform less well in the second attempt (Reagan being a big exception that leaps to mind). Despite his policy and philanthropy work in the last four years, and despite his intensive cultivation of supporters in the netroots and in Iowa, John Edwards has become a has-been and also-ran who does not yet realise that he is either one. Given the incandescent loathing of Huckabee in elite conservative circles and among big-money donors, I don’t know exactly what kind of networking he could build that would make him more successful in four years.

I think it all depends on what sort of impact Huckabee wants to make. Yes, one lesson of the Edwards re-run is that second-time candidates have a difficult time recapturing the magic of their first go-round. Another lesson, though, is that a savvy, charismatic politician can have a big impact on his party’s intellectual landscape even when his campaign for the Presidency ends up sputtering. By identifying himself with the smartest minds on the ideological left and pushing their ideas every chance he got, John Edwards succeeded in driving his rivals for the Democratic nomination to the left as well, on issues ranging from health care to global warming. Similarly, one can imagine Mike Huckabee taking his as-yet-notional critique of the conservative establishment and spending the next few years trying to put some meat on it – by, say, hanging out with everyone from Ramesh Ponnuru to Caleb Stegall – in the hopes of shifting the GOP conversation in his direction come 2012.

Admittedly, there are a host of difficulties with this more positive Huckabee-as-Edwards vision. For one thing, Edwards’ left-populism had pre-existing institutional support: When he moved leftward after ’04, he found a variety of organizations waiting for him – unions, think tanks, activist groups and so forth. Nothing like this exists on the right, where the establishment that doesn’t heart Huckabee is the only establishment there is. There are a variety of critiques of current movement orthodoxy emerging in the wake of the Bush years, associated with a variety of heterodox voices, from David Frum to Rod Dreher to Reihan and myself. What there isn’t is anything approaching an institutional base from which to launch a reform-conservative campaign. If he wanted to play Edwards, Huckabee would essentially be trying to build one from the ground up, and if there’s anything we know about Huck after a year of watching him campaign, it’s that he prefers chasing the TV cameras to organization-building or heavy-duty intellectual spadework. Maybe he'll surprise me, but I think it’s more likely that he’ll end up as a talk-show host or a motivational speaker than that he’ll spend the next four years trying to reshape the ideological landscape of the American Right.

Comments (11)

First off, it's really tough to draw grand "lessons of history" from the experience of a given campaign. There are just too many variables. The main lesson I draw from Edwards' experience is that running against an ex-president's wife and another guy who inspires the party's base and draws in independents is really hard to do.


"[Huckabee] prefers chasing the TV cameras to organization-building or heavy-duty intellectual spadework. ... I think it’s more likely that he’ll end up as a talk-show host or a motivational speaker than that he’ll spend the next four years trying to reshape the ideological landscape of the American Right."

Yikes. That's pretty harsh. But probably accurate.

I lean Democratic, and was certainly never going to vote for Huckabee, but I've been really disappointed with his campaign. He seems pretty averse to learning anything about policy, as you point out. Plus, he's made some embarassingly transparent flip-flops and shockingly dumb comments. The bit about changing the Constitution to comport with God's law, an apparent attempt to curry favor with militantly anti-divorce Biblical literalists, was a strange self-inflicted wound.

I'd hoped that he could build support for social conservatism with a human face, but he's degenerated into a bit of a sideshow. And, as your post points out, probably a one-off sideshow at that. Too bad.

I'm glad Huckabee has shown up on the scene, regardless of the outcome. He's raising issues that the Republican establishment has been ignoring for too long. He's not necessarily proposing radically different solutions than the majority of conservatives want. However, he's embracing much bolder ideas than most of the other conservative leaders. Two in particular, the FairTax and energy independence in 10 years, stand out. I'm invested in Huckabee because I think he is the best leader to bring those to reality. He's got the "can-do" optimism and the communication skills necessary to convince many to support these solutions. Nevertheless, I'll be happy even if his candidacy gets enough people talking about these issues to steer the Republicans in their general direction.

Elvis Elvisberg (your real name, I'm sure), I'd like to counter several of your points about Huckabee.

Huckabee is actually quite open to learning about policy. He's not the originator of the FairTax idea, for example, but he was smart and yet humble enough to realize its potential, study it, and embrace it. On immigration, his core value of providing dignity to immigrants (legal ones in particular) has remained firm, while he has learned like many of us, how big the problem of illegal immigration has become. He has again been willing to learn from others on this issue, taking some of the best policy points and combining them with his own ideas to come up with his border security and immigration reform plan.

He's made no transparent flip-flops that I'm aware of. I'm pretty sure if you dig into any of the ones you have in mind, you'd find what has flip-flopped is the conventional wisdom about his positions. He's actually been fairly consistently conservative, while using populist rhetoric to reach out to non-Republicans to get them to take a look at his approach. Unfortunately, this gives people the impression that he's liberal; when they look at his policies, they then assume he just flip-flopped from his rhetoric.

In an age of soundbites it's very easy to make a politician sound like he said the opposite of what his platform really says. It's also easy to take things out of context.

On the "amending the Constitution" remark for example, he was specifically talking about a Right to Life amendment, not about totally revamping the Constitution to reflect Biblical values in every way. He makes the point that Dr. Martin Luther King used very religious language and talked about Biblical justice being implemented. In a similar way, he points to the Bible as inspiring his position on the value of life. This is no wild-eyed fanatic position. Our own Declaration of Independence states that we are "endowed by our Creator" with inalienable rights including the "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...".

Again, though, in this age of soundbites, it was far too easy for his opponents to take his words out of context and make him look like a wild-eyed theocrat. Just look at his record in Arkansas and you will find he is far from that. I do agree that his wound was somewhat self-inflicted... he should have phrased it differently.

Finally, I highly doubt he will become a footnote or a side show. He will continue to fight and he has a strong, committed core of supporters. The main thing he is fighting right now is the "conventional wisdom" on him on the Right. Most of it is misinformed, and if he can break through the soundbites to get people to understand the truth of who he is, he will continue to do well. He may even surprise a lot of people on Super Tuesday.

"...put him in much the same position that Edwards' failed '04 campaign put him these last several years..."

That "position" Edwards has been in is "bitter, irrelevant also-ran who appeals only to a radical subset of a subset of a party."

This is what Huckabee should aspire to? (One might argue he's already there.)

"John Edwards succeeded in driving his rivals for the Democratic nomination to the left as well, on issues ranging from health care to global warming."

Respectfully, I think you give him far too much credit.

If the example of John Edwards tells us something, it is that repeat candidates for the nomination tend to perform less well in the second attempt (Reagan being a big exception that leaps to mind).

1) Has Edwards done less well in 2008 than 2004? Sure, I guess he's third instead of second, but he's hanging around just as long, did just as well in Iowa, and has a larger impact on the overall discourse.

2) Reagan is an exception. So is George Bush. So is Bob Dole. So is Al Gore. So is John McCain. So is Richard Nixon. This point seems fairly vacuous.

Thanks for your well-informed reply, Allen Fuller. Unfortunately, lunch hour is coming to an end, so I'm going to respond very briefly for the moment.

It's on immigration that he seems to me to have flip-flopped. You might be right that it's on the rhetoric, not the substance.

Also, a week or so ago, I called him a pseudopopulist, because he uses populist rhetoric, but rarely proposes policy designed to improve things for the bottom 4/5ths of the population. So I don't think we disagree there.

And the FairTax, from what I understand, is completely unworkable in the real world. I'd be pleased to be proven wrong on that, as I agree in principle with the idea of taxing consumption and not income.

I had thought that Huckabee's "God's law" comment came in the context of discussing an amendment to ban gay marriage. Looks like I was wrong. I have no objection to candidates referring to and drawing on religion, but as you say, urging that God's law be written by humans into human law sometimes leads to undesirable consequences. That was language that freaks out all non-Republicans, and a not-insubstantial number of Republicans. It's just not good for a candidate to wander that far off the reservation.

Our difference in perspective on Huckabee might come from our policy disagreements. I tend to disagree with him and read him critically, whereas you tend to agree with him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

McCain believes in evolution. Just wait til more people find this out! it'll change things up again!

Huckabee is more likely to be the parties standard bearer in 2012. I am a democrat and a fan of Huckabee due to his record as governor, and my personal distaste for the fluff in the democratic field. Huckabee reminds me of Reagan in more ways than one; not only is he a fantastic communicator but he also seems to not make the GOP nomination on the first try (Reagan ran for the GOP nod in 1968, 1976, and 1980). if he networks the social conservative base, and i mean its leaders, and say, makes inroads with economic conservatives by filling his 2012 campaign with CATO economists, yeah, he could win. his problem this time round was that he peaked too late to get any great amount of donations, and peaked too early because it gave people the opportunity to take a second look at him. that won't happen next time because he'll be an automatic frontrunner which will give voters the opportunity to get to know him, and get to liking him more. it will also give him a fund raising advantage.

their's also the possibility of getting nominated for VP by John McCain. Both help each other; McCain helps Huck with fiscal conservatives, and Huck helps Mac with social conservatives. this would make Huck the automatic frontrunner in 2012 because if Mac wins he'l be a one term president and if he loses, well, Huck will look better than McCain because he represents what won the white house for the GOP in 2000 and 2004, just more acceptable to populists in Michigan and able to turn out the evangelical vote in Florida and Ohio.

by the way, you relize that this year is the beginning of a new political alliance. the unions and the social conservatives for the GOP, with Huck building the bridge, and fiscal conservatives and social liberals for the democrats, with edwards in the shadows. a new political landscape is forming in America.

> "Despite his policy and philanthropy work in the last four years, and despite his intensive cultivation of supporters in the netroots and in Iowa, John Edwards has become a has-been and also-ran..."

... and despite hiring Amanda Hugginkiss as his official campaign blogger without taking two seconds to google her name and find out she was author of such side-slappers as semen jokes about the Virgin Mary. No doubt that helped.

As I already said at Dreher's blog, a better post-campaign role model for the Huckster's career would be Al Gore.

If Huck concentrated on a small set of his core issues and redirected his assets -- likability, passion and ability to connect with people -- to something other than electoral politics, he could have a far greater influence than he would as a former governor and two-time (if he follows the "eternal campaign" plan) presidential loser.