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Huckabush?

14 Jan 2008 03:10 pm

Larison, on why he won't vote for Mike Huckabee:

Each time I am inclined to cheer him on as an anti-establishment candidate, I have to remind myself that he really isn’t any such thing. Despite my willingness to give his statements the benefit of the doubt, I have tried to do this in the interests of accuracy and fairness to what he has actually said, but on no account do I want this man to be President. No doubt, some of his supporters read Crunchy Cons and like what they find, some of them could be part of those Middle American Radicals Sam Francis described long ago, and many of them are probably the people Ross and Reihan are describing in their forthcoming book, but this is exactly what is wrong with Huckabee’s candidacy. He draws in these people from these three very different parts of the population and relies on them for his political success, but I have no confidence that he would govern in their interests or according to their views. It’s the same con that Bush used against evangelicals and social conservatives. Because he could claim plausibly enough that he was “one of them,” he felt that he owed them nothing and could take them for granted, and by and large they allowed this to happen and happily re-elected him anyway. Now there is the hope that Huckabee is really “one of them” and will really govern in their interests, because he once said some mean things about Wall Street, but he won’t. In order for politicians to dupe you, you must be willing to be duped.This is what Huckabee is doing, just as Bush did before, and I’m afraid people are falling for it all over again.

I, too, have my doubts as to whether a President Huckabee would govern in the interests of the working-class constituency Reihan and I have in mind, but I think the comparison to George W. Bush is somewhat dubious. Yes, like Huckabee, Bush has made rhetorical gestures toward a more working-class friendly conservatism, and like Huckabee he has played on identity politics to shore up his support among evangelicals specifically, and "Red America" more broadly. But the differences between the two are enormous. George W. Bush is a preppy blueblood whose candidacy had the blessing of both movement conservatives and the Republican Old Guard; Mike Huckabee is a working-class Arkansan whose primary-season insurgency has exactly zero institutional support. George W. Bush had Dick Cheney and Karl Rove whispering in his ear; Huckabee has, well ... Ed Rollins and Jim Pinkerton. It's next-to-impossible to imagine Bush saying the sort of things Huckabee has said about Wall Street Republicans and the Club for Growth; it's next-to-impossible to imagine him delivering the speech that Huckabee delivered at the Values Voter Summit. And it's absolutely impossible, to take a pair of issues near to Larison's heart, to imagine Bush adopting the Krikorian Plan as his immigration policy, or delivering the following remarks on foreign policy:

Again, none of this means that a Huckabee Presidency wouldn't be an enormous disappointment to any dissident conservatives who rally around him - particularly dissidents of the crunchy and paleo variety. But it would probably disappoint in different ways, and for different reasons, than the presidency of George W. Bush.

Update: Larison, unsurprisingly, remains unconvinced.

Comments (11)

But Ross, none of that deals with policy. There is nothing-- absolutely nothing-- that Huckabee has proposed that would address Sam's Club Republicans.

Politics isn't just theater.

Huckabee shares Bush's aversion to the preening affection of the intellectual establishment, though clearly, with his Andover, Yale, Harvard B School background, along with rather superior social position, Bush can get away with a certain folksy southwestern popularism.

Note when under severe criticism from the Beltway and establishment intellectuals Bush usually handles it with humor and even at times a certain grace. Several times in the campaign Huckabee has shown himself to be rather defensive and insecure under pressure, just as over time Clinton proved himself to be.

Contemporary Americans, as with the Roosevelts likes its populists to have a bit of class. Folks like Huckabee, Clinton, and Edwards just don't cut it on the national stage.

Ross, you are very intelligent, but I wish you and your coffee-house beard would migrate to the Democratic Party. The things that Huckabee has said about "Wall Street" and the Club for Growth are not conservative. They are socialist. Obviously you approve of those statements, but your support of them does not make you a "dissident conservative."
As far as Huckabee being a "working-class Arkansan", I guess the "Wall Street Republicans" would have been better off writing diet books and receiving speaking fees based on their political celebrity. Then they would be engaging in a "sweat of their brow" occupation.
Ross, have you ever had a job where you actually had to pick up a box? (not counting transporting your Dave Matthews CDs from one trendy DC neighborhood dwelling to another) Or do you just claim to speak for the proletariat in the name of giving Ivy-League dweebs more power to plan people's lives?

"Conservative Socialism: The Totalitarian Temptation from Sam's Club Republicans to Mike Huckabee."

Peter Leavitt mumbles: "Huckabee shares Bush's aversion to the preening affection of the intellectual establishment, though clearly, with his Andover, Yale, Harvard B School background, along with rather superior social position, Bush can get away with a certain folksy southwestern popularism."

Petey means "affectation," not "affection," and "populism," not "popularism."

There's a reason why his family won't let him drive or use the clicker anymore.

Much like with the facism discussion below, I am begingnning to think I don't understand the meanign of the term socialism, at least as used today by modern day Conservatives.

Multiple Choice Mitt - Because One Answer is NEVER Enough!

"George W. Bush had Dick Cheney and Karl Rove whispering in his ear; Huckabee has, well ... Ed Rollins and Jim Pinkerton."

Don't forget Chuck Norris!

Nobody has addressed Hickaboob's underhanded nasty rumours on Brownback's Catholicism and the feigned ignorance of Romney's Mormonism.

MoeLarryJimKeane[three stooges], you might address the issues instead of being a juvenile pedant. I'll gladly admit the faults of quick typing and careless editing. You must be an unemployed junior high school English teacher.

Peter Leavitt says: "Contemporary Americans, as with the Roosevelts likes its populists to have a bit of class. Folks like Huckabee, Clinton, and Edwards just don't cut it on the national stage."

Well, Bill Clinton certainly seemed to cut it on the national stage, having been elected to the Presidency twice and all. We'll see what Huckabee and Edwards can come up with, however.

Remember: Banning gay marriage will maintain middle class wages. Just ask Ross, who has a PhD in nonsense.