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The Simon Worldview

03 Jan 2008 02:34 pm

In the comments section of Matt's post (and Reihan's, too), none other than David Simon himself joins the conversation:

Writing to affirm what people are saying about my faith in individuals to rebel against rigged systems and exert for dignity, while at the same time doubtful that the institutions of a capital-obsessed oligarchy will reform themselves short of outright economic depression (New Deal, the rise of collective bargaining) or systemic moral failure that actually threatens middle-class lives (Vietnam and the resulting, though brief commitment to rethinking our brutal foreign-policy footprints around the world). The Wire is dissent; it argues that our systems are no longer viable for the greater good of the most, that America is no longer operating as a utilitarian and democratic experiment. If you are not comfortable with that notion, you won't agree with some of the tonalities of the show. I would argue that people comfortable with the economic and political trends in the United States right now -- and thinking that the nation and its institutions are equipped to respond meaningfully to the problems depicted with some care and accuracy on The Wire (we reported each season fresh, we did not write solely from memory) -- well, perhaps they're playing with the tuning knobs when the back of the appliance is in flames.

Does that mean The Wire is without humanist affection for its characters? Or that it doesn't admire characters who act in a selfless or benign fashion? Camus rightly argues that to commit to a just cause against overwhelming odds is absurd. He further argues that not to commit is equally absurd. Only one choice, however, offers the slightest chance for dignity. And dignity matters.

... If The Wire is too pessimistic about the future of the American empire -- and I've read my Toynbee and Chomsky, so I actually think a darker vision could be credibly argued -- no one will be more pleased than me as I am, well, American. Right now, though, I'm just proud to see serious people arguing about a television drama; there's some pride in that. Thanks.

I think this jibes pretty well with what's been said in and around the Bowden essay. If you think that American society no longer works "for the greater good" of most of its inhabitants, and that our existing institutions are incapable of addressing the challenges we face, then The Wire will strike you as a masterpiece of true-to-life social realism. If you think, like me, that this assessment is too bleak by half, then The Wire will still strike you as a masterpiece - but one whose political message, as is often the case with great works of art, warrants being taken with a grain of salt.

Comments (22)

The last 7 years have seen the American government engaging in a constant effort to help transfer wealth from the bottom to the top. I have seen exactly no evidence that the Bushpigs give one sweet damn about "most of its inhabitants."

They want their votes - or a slim majority of them. They want them to volunteer as fodder in their stupid war. They want them to accept rapidly-rising health and education costs as normal. They want them to pretend there is no middle-class squeeze. But they certainly don't want to "work for the greater good" in any real sense.

You've got to wonder what Mr. Simon thinks about the fact that his show is a product of the very capital-obsessed oligarchy that he despises and purports to be rebelling against. And that he is both subsidizing, and being handsomely subsidized by, same capital-obsessed oligarchy. Is that to the credit of that system, or yet another symptom of its corruption? Or, perhaps more to the point, can he really say any of that stuff with a straight face?

What in the world does Mr. Simon's explanation have to do with the price of tea in China or crack in Baltimore?

I think the genius of The Wire is the way the show succeeds depite some of the bunk that Simon want to lay on it. In the end, I see his systemic failure as more just the glorious imperfection of people in general. While his view of institutions is bleak, it doesn't really fit neatly with a traditional liberal agenda.

Season 2, based on the docks, could be read as being about the way the loss of the industrial economy has failed the blue collar man. There was some dialogue about that in the last episode of that season. But it also featured a correct union leadership trying to deal with a corrupt state government, which doesn't exactly tie in with the Democratic Committee talking points.

Similarly, season 4 dealt with the failure of the public school system. The failures were largely based on how ill prepared the students were to learn anything, and systematically disruptive the classroom was. Even when Pres was innovative enough to find approaches that worked, the bureaucracy shut him down. Again, not exactly NEA propaganda.

Can't wait til sunday, when Simon will be insightful in spite of himself.

whoarethey is right to note the irony that Wired is supported through the very capitalism that Simon condemns. Simon, though, claims that he has always bitten the hand that fed him in his journalistic career.

Simon's real problem is- however brilliant the theatrics- that he is a cynical, bitter, and rather self-centered nihilist. Lacking any concept of Judeo-Christian evil or sin, he buys into the illusion of modernism that evil can be explained through some naturalistic category of race, class, gender, psychology, capitalism ,or whatever.

One can watch Wired for its brilliant verisimilitude and imaginative reality, though, as Bowden remarks well, it is based on a rather fevered, distorted, and egoist imagination.

Peter Leavitt writes: "Simon's real problem is- however brilliant the theatrics- that he is a cynical, bitter, and rather self-centered nihilist. Lacking any concept of Judeo-Christian evil or sin, he buys into the illusion of modernism that evil can be explained through some naturalistic category of race, class, gender, psychology, capitalism ,or whatever."

What Simon is rational enough to understand is that evil is something human beings are responsible for.

Peter Leavitt blames it on Satan. I leave it to each reader to decide for him or her self which of the two men has a better handle on reality. For my own part I think Peter Leavitt is a drooling fruitloop.

One crack dealer shoots another one on a street corner in Baltimore. Whose fault is it?

The murderer's?

Nah, it's the fault of "capital-obsessed oligarchy."

See, the murderer is black, and white liberals don't like to attribute moral agency to blacks. Blacks are not really human in white liberal theory, as enunciated by Mr. Simon. Blacks are really best seen as props to demonstrate the white liberal's cultural, intellectual and ethical superiority over other whites. That's because other whites are The Competition for status, so only whites can do evil things (like not admitting the cultural, intellectual and ethical superiority of white liberals, or making more money, or, worst of all, both).

Whose fault is it when a crack dealer shoots another? It's the crack dealer's fault, obviously.

Whose fault is it when a city disintegrates? Whose fault is it when a War On Drugs jails hundreds of thousands of people for no apparent reason? Whose fault is it when the worst aspects of that War fall down hardest on minorities and the poor, even though they're no more likely to be drug users than wealthier people are? Whose fault is it when millions of American jobs are shipped overseas because squeezing every last nickel of profit out of every last nickel of capital is the be-all and end-all of existence?

Whose fault is it that Steve Sailer is a race-obsessed wackaloon who blames "liberals" for each and every last one of society's ills? Some would blame his parents. Some would blame his teachers. Peter Leavitt would blame Satan, a mythical being he thinks is a liberal.

I just blame Steve Sailer.

Remember, folks - conservatism NEVER fails. Ever. Dumbya Bush is now a LIBERAL.

Oh MoeLarryAndJesus. I could tell you all about how evil is a privation of good. I could mention how Peter Leavitt never once mentioned "Satan" but rather evil and sin, those twin cyclops that are anathema to the liberal. I could write to you all about how grad schools in criminology and criminal justice are populated by little positivists who think that everyone is product of their environment, whether it be the evils of the economy or the evils of the criminal justice system, and that the last thing a liberal wants to hear about when it comes to theories of crime is "rationality" or "free will." But I will not, because you are just as deeply wedded to your assumptions about the world as any conservative. Go on MoeLarryAndJesus, keep spouting your tired nonsense. Maybe one day somebody will take you seriously.

I completely agree with Peter Leavitt's comments, as long as he is indeed actually referring to Wired Magazine, and not the TV show the rest of you are talking about.

Derrick stupidly writes: "Oh MoeLarryAndJesus. I could tell you all about how evil is a privation of good. I could mention how Peter Leavitt never once mentioned "Satan" but rather evil and sin, those twin cyclops that are anathema to the liberal. I could write to you all about how grad schools in criminology and criminal justice are populated by little positivists who think that everyone is product of their environment, whether it be the evils of the economy or the evils of the criminal justice system, and that the last thing a liberal wants to hear about when it comes to theories of crime is "rationality" or "free will.""

You're a moron, Derrick. In my reply to Steve Sailer above I quite clearly indicated my belief in free will. I'm not a determinist at all, you silly sin-obsessed goober. Criminals are certainly responsible for their own conduct.

None of that means that the system isn't broken, or that evil doesn't exist at the top as well as the bottom, or that there isn't something corrosive about unfettered capitalism.

I realize you and Peter Leavitt think calling everything you don't like "liberal" makes you rational, but it doesn't. It makes you lazy and simple. And you're responsible for that, too.

And yeah, Peter Leavitt didn't mention Satan specifically, but he thinks Satan is real and has an active role in the world. You're apparently on his side there, which is hilarious.

Oh MoeLarryAndJesus, I will descend to the level of a trilobite and engage you, but only for a moment. I know you just haunt this site, spouting your inane sophistries. Did Mommy and Daddy not love you enough, sweetie?

You might not be a determinist, but the simple fact of the matter is that most liberals, progressives, whatever you want to call them, are. Especially when it comes to issues of crime. I know this, having spent nearly two years in a criminal justice grad program. But OK, dude, keep insulting everyone you disagree with, clearly you are the more "rational" one. Try looking up labeling theory, strain theory (although I only have a little experience with the Wire, the shows seems saturated by this little gem of a theory--I'm somewhat sympathetic to it), differential association, blah blah; positivism, environmentalism, and determinism is quite associated with the Left.

As far as your scoffing at "Satan." Do I believe that Evil has a real presence in the world? Well, let's see, I took a forensic pyschology class and watched an interview my professor did with a sexual sadist who decided to stick brooms into his victim's genitals after he had slaughtered them. We got to see the crime scene photos. No, Satan does not seem that outlandish to me. But whatever, dude, you've got it all figured out, asshole.

Derrick writes: "As far as your scoffing at "Satan." Do I believe that Evil has a real presence in the world? Well, let's see, I took a forensic pyschology class and watched an interview my professor did with a sexual sadist who decided to stick brooms into his victim's genitals after he had slaughtered them. We got to see the crime scene photos. No, Satan does not seem that outlandish to me. But whatever, dude, you've got it all figured out, asshole."

First the poor stupid conservative chastises me for insulting people I disagree with, then ends by calling me an "asshole." Someday I'll run into a movement conservative who isn't a completely idiotic hypocrite, but it won't be today.

What an imaginary Satan has to do with that sexual sadist is beyond me - I blame the sadist for his own actions. Derrick thinks "Satan" might be involved. Now that's a "determinist" theory with real horns.

Derrick probably snapped his carrot when he saw the Abu Ghraib photographs, which conservatives thought were no big deal. He probably supports the use of torture against suspects in the War On Terra, since most conservatives do. I think the imaginary Satan would give him a big kiss on the lips.

Oh Moe, I didn't expect you to make any substantive points, and instead direct ad hominem attacks at me and construct imaginary positions for me to hold, and you did not disappoint.

Some of us stare at the Void in this world and think that characterizations such as Evil, Satan, and Darkness make about as much rational sense as any other position. Evil as a privation or absence from any Goodness or God seems to me about as a tenable position to hold as anything the latest psychologist can dream of. Take the psychopath (have you seen No Country for Old Men? An excellent movie). The psychologist can describe psychopathy. He knows that they are characterized by no empathy for their fellow man. But why is this the case? Genetic? Upbringing? Society? No one really knows. Maybe you do, Moe? Would you like to share?

As far as torture, etc. I would think your brilliant deductive mind might realize by the simple fact that I read and post at Ross Douthat's site that I'm no bellicose, consequentialist conservative. But enough, as much as these games with intellectual lightweights entertain me, I need a smoke.

Derrick again: "Oh Moe, I didn't expect you to make any substantive points, and instead direct ad hominem attacks at me and construct imaginary positions for me to hold, and you did not disappoint."

Once again the slinger of "asshole" whines about namecalling. How sad. I guess I have to answer someone who has never made a substantive point with some when the topic itself (Satan!) lacks substance.

"As far as torture, etc. I would think your brilliant deductive mind might realize by the simple fact that I read and post at Ross Douthat's site that I'm no bellicose, consequentialist conservative. But enough, as much as these games with intellectual lightweights entertain me, I need a smoke."

Of course you do. All prison guards smoke.

Meanwhile presence at this site by no means suggests you're not a rabid con. Peter Leavitt and Chris Ford and Steve Sailer post here, and they're as wingnutty as they come. But it figures that you're drawn to "simple facts." Anything more complicated would give you a headache.

"Some of us stare at the Void in this world and think that characterizations such as Evil, Satan, and Darkness make about as much rational sense as any other position."

Of curse you do.

"The psychologist can describe psychopathy. He knows that they are characterized by no empathy for their fellow man. But why is this the case? Genetic? Upbringing? Society? No one really knows. Maybe you do, Moe? Would you like to share?"

While bad genes probably play a role on occasion, I'd go with upbringing and personal choice, chuckles. The same things that lead people to take part in a My Lai massacre or the Abu Ghraib atrocities or to vote for Dumbya Bush twice. (In 2000 it could just be an honest error, but in 2004 it was a malignant move.) You can prefer to blame the Horned One, but you should probably look in the mirror instead.

You know, it's funny, I'm not sure we actually disagree about free will that much. We both think it is important. Of course, you are completely oblivious to the fact that liberal and progressive criminal justice policy essentially deemphasizes the role of the individual in crime. Remember, liberals want to tackle "root causes" outside the individual that cause crime. So, "chuckles", are you a big fan of deterrence and punishment? I bet you are. And you're obviously an expert on human behavior. I mean in one sentence you've explained pyschopathy! Brilliant, sir, brilliant!

As far as Satan. I realize that you know nothing of Christian philosophy or theology. I know that you are that species of man who has no time for such quaint and outdated ideas. But suffice it to say, the idea that Satan somehow negates free will or personal choice is just laughable on its face. Maybe try St. Augustine's On the Free Choice of the Will? Sadly for Moe, the only people who believe in free will anymore are religious believers and conservatives. Certainly not any of the professors I studied under in school.

But enough! There is no generally accepted theory or law of crime. Until they discover one (which they won't, because social science isn't science), we will have to be content to listen to the ramblings of a chronic sufferer of BDS (because remember, kids, voting for W is bad as murdering people in MLAJ/bizarro world!).

Derrick stupidly replies: "You know, it's funny, I'm not sure we actually disagree about free will that much. We both think it is important. Of course, you are completely oblivious to the fact that liberal and progressive criminal justice policy essentially deemphasizes the role of the individual in crime. Remember, liberals want to tackle "root causes" outside the individual that cause crime. So, "chuckles", are you a big fan of deterrence and punishment?"

No, I'm more of a rehabilitation/prevention guy. I realize that some people can't be rehabilitated, of course. But I also think we lock far too many people up in this country for little or no reason.

"As far as Satan. I realize that you know nothing of Christian philosophy or theology. I know that you are that species of man who has no time for such quaint and outdated ideas. But suffice it to say, the idea that Satan somehow negates free will or personal choice is just laughable on its face. Maybe try St. Augustine's On the Free Choice of the Will? Sadly for Moe, the only people who believe in free will anymore are religious believers and conservatives. Certainly not any of the professors I studied under in school."

Then I suggest that you went to a shitty school. I did not. You are of course wrong about my knowledge of Christian thought - I'm far more familiar with it than most Christians are, and nothing you're saying here is new to me. Of course the idea that environmental factors lead to crime doesn't preclude free will anymore than a belief in Satan does, chuckles.

"we will have to be content to listen to the ramblings of a chronic sufferer of BDS (because remember, kids, voting for W is bad as murdering people in MLAJ/bizarro world!)."

In Christian theology rejecting Jesus is a worse crime than murder, so who's the bizarro? But no, voting for Dumbya isn't as bad as murder. It's just as bad as watching Kitty Genovese being raped and stabbed and doing nothing - not even making a phone call - to stop it.

On second thought, it's worse than that. Voting for Dumbya a second time, in 2004, was like opening the window and yelling encouragement to Genovese's rapist.

How do you like those apples?

Rather amusing that David Simon can write so much (in that blog comment) and say absolutely nothing.

Wow, Moe, thanks for sharing those brilliant insights. Of course, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. MoeLarryAndJesus, folks: wildly unsupported statements about the world ("...we lock far too many people up in this country for little or no reason"), desperate attempts to prove his own intellectual value (the constant calling of names of those he disagrees with, "I did not [go to a shitty school]), contradictory and incoherent arguments (in an earlier post, believing in Satan was determinism, now it's not any more deterministic than believing in environmental factors), and the moral reasoning we've all come to expect from the psychotic Bush-haters (the root cause of evil in the world is BOOSH). Thanks for the laugh, buddy.

Hey Steve Sailer, I'm guessing you've never seen the Wire. Stop pre-judging it. I bet you'd quite like it, actually.

Are MoeL&J and Derrick an old married couple? Why did they break up? It sounds like they have their "ongoing argument as central element of their lives" down pat.

Gene wonders: "Are MoeL&J and Derrick an old married couple? Why did they break up? It sounds like they have their "ongoing argument as central element of their lives" down pat."

Never ran into him before. But I'm familiar with the type. Just consider the fact that he thinks my comment about how we lock up far too many people in this country is "wildly unsupported."

Uh huh.