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Big Pimpin'

10 Feb 2008 05:01 pm

I don't feel all that sorry for David "Pimping Out Chelsea" Shuster, but I do feel for him a little, for precisely the reasons that James Poulos outlines:

‘As a parent’ — in the parlance of our times — I’d be seeing Hillary’s progenitorial rage and raising it a few capfuls of testosterone. But there’s little or no escape from the problem that today’s parlance defaults to the mildly, ironically offensive, and that judging by the standards of our times Shuster’s ‘Pimped Out’ Comment is not ‘incredibly’ offensive but simply mildly and ironically offensive. The appropriation of Ghetto Talk by the whitebread infotainment industry mirrors a broader ease, especially among those under 45, with casually framing the events of everyday social life in bitch-pimp terms. In a world where pimping out your ride is a great honor, ‘sort of’ pimping out your daughter would appear to be less of an honor primarily on account of the ‘sort of’ qualifier. Of course, Shuster was trying to be less-than-honorable, obeying another cardinal rule of MSM Edginess: degrade obliquely. But he was under marching orders — probably not written in neat hand by an MSNBC intern, but certainly uploaded into his hard drive over many years spent in moving through a high-budget industry devoted largely to making itself comfortable with the great American lowbrow.

Comments (20)

It's hilarious how everyone goes out of their way to reassure us that Shuster's comment was offensive on the merits, blah blah blah, before they start equivocating. If that's the kind of comment that actually offends you, you've probably never had a normal conversation in your entire pathetic, jerkoff life.

Sometimes I hate this country, where if you use a casual expression like "pimp out" off the cuff, you hear a lot of self-righteous crap about how you just compared someone of dignity to an actual whore. the fact is, Hillary did not experience actual offense at Shuster's comment for even a nanosecond. She just calculated that this sort of thing ought to seem offensive, therefore I should exploit it -- as if anyone needed further proof that she has no interest in inhabiting a reality where people deal with one another on the level.

Shorter me: I'm sick to death of meta-controversy.

The appropriation of Ghetto Talk by the whitebread infotainment industry mirrors a broader ease, especially among those under 45, with casually framing the events of everyday social life in bitch-pimp terms.

"Framing the events of everyday social life in bitch-pimp terms"?

Seriously?

It's settled then. Don't trust anybody over 45. Especially when they find it necessary to wax sociological.

David Shuster isn't an innocent victim here - he and Matthews have been competing in a Clinton-contemptathon for a couple of months now, so fuck him. The Clintons shot back, and they won a round, and that's how it goes.

They've been competing in a George Bush contemptathon, too, and rightly so, but that probably didn't get the same rise out of you. It's silly to say "not an innocent victim" -- of course nobody's innocent, but these guys get paid to be outspoken, edgy, and opinionated. Until they cross some arbitrary line.

Bill says: "They've been competing in a George Bush contemptathon, too, and rightly so, but that probably didn't get the same rise out of you."

No, it didn't, because Dumbya has it coming from every reasonable, decent person on the planet - and I think Matthews took way too long to start giving it to him. But his hatred for the Clintons has been palpable and unrelenting for a decade now.

As for "edgy" - are you kidding me? Shuster's no more "edgy" than Katie Couric is - he just sneers better. And he wouldn't have used the phrase "pimped out" in a thousand years in reference to the drunken, giggling idiot Bush Twins, because he never would have thought for an instant that he could get away with it.

Well, I'm a reasonable, decent person, and I hate the Clintons.

So Olbermann can go on a fifteen minute rant about Bush the war criminal coward who's disgraced his office and should be behind bars (again, I agree), but if someone were to use a passing, slightly off-color, non-literal expression in reference to Jenna, he'd be shit-canned immediately and get what's coming to him.

Bill writes: "Well, I'm a reasonable, decent person, and I hate the Clintons.

So Olbermann can go on a fifteen minute rant about Bush the war criminal coward who's disgraced his office and should be behind bars (again, I agree), but if someone were to use a passing, slightly off-color, non-literal expression in reference to Jenna, he'd be shit-canned immediately and get what's coming to him."

I don't understand Clinton hatred. Bill Clinton was somewhat of a disappointment as president, but he wasn't an atrocity - Dumbya has been. I voted for Obama last Tuesday and look forward to doing the same in November.

But I'd still vote for HRC over any piece of shit the entirely-disgraced GOP throws up. There is just no way the Repigs get my vote after disgracing the country as they have over the past 7 years.

And yeah, Olbermann's rant is perfectly okay, but he's smart enough to avoid talking about "pimping out" Jenna or Hillary. Shuster isn't. That's reality, like it or not. Big deal, the weasel got suspended. It'll look good on his resume when he goes crawling to Roger Ailes.

Dialects of porn slang and IM speak will also become more mainstream as the dregs of the internet join ghetto-dwellers as trend-setters.

Just the other day some commenter here(using porny talk, of course) spoke of how someone would be so excited he'd reach sexual climax in his pants.

Not what I'd expect at The Atlantic.

I think Kevin Jones would be quite happy if he could become a mole on Dick Cheney's taint.

Word choice aside (for the moment, why is it a family member working for a campaign a pimp-bitch relationship only when the Clintons are involved?

Hey, Moe: How's 18-1 feel?

18-1 felt pretty bad for a few days. Then I remembered the 3 Super Bowl wins, and figured the 16-0 regular season would still be a standard for the future, and realized no other NFL franchise has been as great to watch over the past decade.

Plus we have the Red Sox and the resurgent Celtics. No other sports town in America has a better situation.

Thanks for asking!

Word choice aside (for the moment, why is it a family member working for a campaign a pimp-bitch relationship only when the Clintons are involved?

Exactly.

This is pretty hilarious, or would be, if it weren't so sad:

The appropriation of Ghetto Talk by the whitebread infotainment industry mirrors a broader ease, especially among those under 45, with casually framing the events of everyday social life in bitch-pimp terms

Who's to blame for casual misogyny among media elites?

The blacks!

For, surely, casual misogyny doesn't pre-date the growth of hip-hop culture. Until all those black people started singing their hippity-hop, we had perfect harmony among men and women.

Shuster's wording was poor, but his point was valid which unfortunately will get lost in all of this. We didn't see Chelsea campaigning for her parents until Hillary needed to show a softer side after losing Iowa.

"Who's to blame for casual misogyny among media elites?

The blacks!"

It's not misogyny at work here, it's the coarsening of a culture that adopts the slang of the criminal underclass, mining its dysfunctions for "edgy" metaphors and descriptions.

I think it's undeniable that Shuster said a stupid thing. He used a colloquialism that really has no place in intelligent discourse. To many people, myself included, the term 'pimp' does not carry with it a sexual connotation, but merely means to use something or someone for one's own benefit. And the Clintons have used Chelsea for their benefit, which is fine.....she appears to be a very intelligent adult who has gone along with it. The same could - and should - be said of Mitt Romney and his 97 sons.

I think it's also undeniable that the Clintons have jumped all over this as a way to rally their base. And that's fine -> their goal right now is to get votes, and if they've decided that exploiting this is a way to (1) raise funds and (2) get votes, then hey, MSNBC and Shuster just teed one up for them. Good for the Clintons.

I think the bigger point is that, in my opinion, David Shuster is a damn good reporter who is on television for countless hours. And you know what? He screwed up. He showed up to work and he made a mistake. I've done it, and I'm sure everyone here has, as well. The difference is, he did it on national television, in a vicious primary season, and it potentially inured to the benefit of one of the contestants.

He doesn't deserve to be crucified or have his livelihood taken away because of it.

I don't understand Clinton hatred. Bill Clinton was somewhat of a disappointment as president, but he wasn't an atrocity - Dumbya has been.

I didn't hate Clinton as a President, but I do kinda hate him as a person. I hate Hillary more. (I'm full of hate, piss and vinegar.) I hate her 'cause she's a dishonest, grasping phony. I'm voting for Obama because I feel like he could actually live with not being President one day, and because if I ever asked him a question he'd give me an actual straight answer. I hate Hillary because of her "let's have a national conversation" and because she didn't divorce Bill about ten years before Monica happened.

And I hate Dubya worse than all of these things, in a "why did you ruin my country, you smirking shitbag" kind of way.

Pimps up, hos down
Don't hate the playa,
Hate the game.


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