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The Future of Racism

04 Feb 2008 06:27 pm

In a pair of provocative posts inspired by the Obama/Louis Farrakhan controversy, both Noah Millman and Russell Arben Fox decline to be all that exorcised by the links between Obama and black chauvinism. Here's Noah, comparing the racially exclusivist views espoused in and around Obama's church to the "Jewish souls are superior to Gentile souls" views held by the Chabad Lubavitchers:

... I do not believe that Jews are distinct from other human beings, having a fundamentally different soul, not being created by God, or any of that – nor are these mainstream Jewish beliefs. But neither do I believe that I am obliged, to remain a member in good standing of polite society, to cast Chabad into the outer darkness and refuse to associate with them. Nor do I believe that Senator Obama is obliged to denounce his pastor. I believe the bar should be set really high for these kinds of defenestrations, and that the important thing to discern is not whether you believe the right thing, but whether you do the right thing.

And here's Fox, on a similar theme:

I don't make any apologies for Farrakhan, and the many times times he's been caught making antisemitic statements over the years; he's been schooled in, and has never separated himself from, a paranoid, weird, even hateful worldview. But associating with Farrakhan, and praising the kind of self-reliance, pride, and community-building his preaching invokes, does not make you a member of the Nation of Islam, or even necessarily an advocate of it. I was in Washington DC during the Million Man March, way back in 1995, and sure, there was a lot of dubious and even borderline contemptuous rhetoric heard that day, from Farrahkan and all the rest. But frankly, I found the whole thing—-complete outsider and foreigner to their collective project that I was—-rather inspiring just the same. The anger of the speakers that day was mixed with positive messages about responsibility and dignity, about remembering all that which their ancestors and progenitors had accomplished, and about conserving and building up that which remained of those accomplishments. As Noah notes in his description of the arguably "exclusivist" (even racist) elements in some Jewish talk, and as Alan Ehrenhalt noted years ago in his defense of the localist, communitarian priorities which held together neighborhoods in 1950s Chicago, many such positive arguments practially depend upon a certain amount of exclusion, of collective self-identification and unity. This isn't an excuse for racism (and it should be noted that Obama has rejected his church's association with Farrakhan and some of his more outrageous statements), but for myself at least, if the point of the message is one of identity, community, and dignity, then I figure I can handle of little bit of non-violent racism along the way.

These excerpts don't do justice to the full argument of either post, but I plucked them out because they hint at an interesting question - namely, whether our tolerance for “non-violent racism” of various sorts will increase as the the black-white binary recedes and the possibility of a horror like Jim Crow grows ever-more-remote. At the moment, there seems to be a tacit agreement – in the media elite especially, but in the wider society as well – that racial chauvinism among African-Americans is grounds for more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger disapproval, whereas racial chauvinism among whites is grounds for outrage, and dismissal from polite society. This double standard, though, coexists with a widespread sense (outside of the “whiteness studies” precincts of academe) that insofar as we tolerate Farrakhan-style chauvinism in the black community, we do so only out of deference to the legacy of slavery and all the rest, and we aspire to grow steadily less tolerant of it over time. Like affirmative action, it’s meant to be a temporary response to a temporary problem, and I assume that many people who don’t hold Barack Obama responsible for his pastor’s views today, or his pastor for Louis Farrakhan’s, aspire to inhabit a society in which no candidate for President would even contemplate an affiliation with a church tainted in any sense by racism.

Maybe this vision will come to pass. For instance, it's possible to imagine that in the multi-ethnic landscape of America’s future, the need to maintain social peace will require some form of ostracism for anyone, black or white or anything else, who even hints at chauvinistic sentiments: The Al Sharptons and La Razas of the future may be treated the way David Duke is treated today. But it seems just as possible that we’re headed toward a society that’s actually more tolerant of non-violent racism than our own, and more likely to agree with Noah and Russell that race-based chauvinism alone shouldn’t be grounds for defenestration from the national conversation. As someone who’s broadly sympathetic to the point they’re making, I like to think that this could come to pass for good reasons – for instance, because the threat of institutionalized racial oppression eventually seems so remote that even white chauvinism feels more like a curiosity to be tolerated than a threat to the liberal order that needs to be extirpated at all costs. But of course the future could belong to the Farrakhans and Jeremiah Wrights (and their counterparts in other communities) for less congenial reasons as well.

Comments (52)

I think fringes are always tolerated by mainstream, and even respectable, society, so long as they pose no actual threat.

From time to time, for instance, NYC politicians put forward the idea that the city should secede and become its own state, or even its own country.

Given the history of secessionist movements in this country, you'd think such talk would be out of bounds, but in fact we all now that it's just talk. Usually the point is to call attention to the unfair distribution of state resources. No one really thinks New York City is going anywhere.

Similarly, I think most people assume that Sharpton, La Raza, etc are primarily engaged in calling attention to specific issues. No one really believes they're going to start some kind of violent race war.

I think I'm suffering from some sort of "blog comments fatigue syndrome;" this is a thoughtful post, but thinking of the mortal combat sure to come in this space makes me feel so weary I'm almost afraid to weigh in.

I do however feel moved to say this: it has to be remembered, has to, that for white men like you or I, Ross, there is less danger in a society more tolerant of "non-violent" racism than there are for others. Because we still hold the reins of power, and as noxious as Farrakhan is, he and what he represents isn't as powerful as the still long arm of white power. I know you don't say this cavalierly or unthinkingly; but it must be remembered that there remains for some great danger in racism.

the links between Obama and black chauvinism

What, exactly, are those links? I'm not saying they don't exist; I'm just wondering what they are. Are you talking just about the Farrakhan thing? Or is it Obama's church? I've looked at the church's website and didn't see anything objectionable at all. But maybe there is something else?

Contrary to the portrayals of the black-bogeyman-man-theorist-types, those black leaders/organizations that have made many in "mainstream" (white American society feel uncomfortable have always agitated for social and economic justice as opposed to some nightmare race war.

The so-called "non-violent" agitators such as Martin Luther King advocated non-violent social change, justice/equality while the more militant agitators advocated social change "by any means neccessary".

Consider the currently used bogeyman man, Farrakhan's comments on the idea of separatism:

NBC Meet the Press Interview; Louis Farrakhan was asked by Tim Russert to explain the Nation of Islam's view on separation:

"Tim Russert: Once a week, on the back page [of your newspaper] is The Muslim Program, "What the Muslims Want," [written in 1965]. The first is in terms of territory, "Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own." Is that your view in 1997, a separate state for Black Americans?"

"Minister Louis Farrakhan: First, the program starts with number one. That is number four. The first part of that program is that we want freedom, a full and complete freedom. The second is, we want justice. We want equal justice under the law, and we want justice applied equally to all, regardless of race or class or color. And the third is that we want equality. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society. If we can get that within the political, economic, social system of America, there's no need for point number four. But if we cannot get along in peace after giving America 400 years of our service and sweat and labor, then, of course, separation would be the solution to our race problem." -Source, Wikipedia


This silly comparison of Farrakhan, Sharpton or La Raza to David Duke, former leader of the KKK is down right deceitful. The KKK is a documented and proven terrorist group that bombed, lynched, murdered and otherwise terrorized black Americans for decades primarily due their (the KKK's) resistance to the abolishment of slavery and the fight against American apartheid.

What Freddie and Peter said. Reacting more negatively to white "racial chauvanism," or whatever your term is, is actually pretty rational, given the outsized power held by white folks and the long history of violence and oppression white supremacy is responsible for in this country. Groups like La Raza (which is a quite positive group) and the Nation of Islam (which is pretty odious in a lot of ways) don;t have a rap sheet neear as long as the KKK, the Confederacy, etc.

Also, here's great essay by Martin Marty about visiting Obama's Church. Far from being racially exclusive, Marty found an open, vibrant congregation which is also very devoted to the predominantly Black community it serves.

http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2007/0402.shtml

SUPER TUESDAY: Showdown with White America

About one thing let’s be crystal clear: Since the Presidency of the United States of America is not merely a ‘national’ office but a global one as well, Senator Barack Obama is without the slightest doubt the world’s candidate-of-choice in these American elections and the person whom mankind most wants America’s next commander-in-chief to be. Should white America deny the world the leader it desires and instead elects to hand the White House keys to either Hillary Clinton or John McCain, mankind will view this as an unpardonable display of disdain towards its wishes and a callous gesture of electoral malice by voters who will have forever branded themselves on the snout as a putrid gaggle of leprous bigots. This could trigger a global backlash against their country that would make it nigh on impossible for their chosen candidate to function effectively at the international level and could invite a new outrage on their home soil by the same outfit which reconfigured their Manhattan skyline and structurally modified their Pentagon some seven Septembers ago.

White Americans are being served notice that, as far as the world is concerned, this is an election about them. As a Harvard-educated, Brooks Brothers-wearing and Hyde Park-residing American who happens not to be white, Senator Barack Obama is just about as agreeable a Black man as any is ever likely to be. And yet if in spite of these attributes he is passed over for one of their own, white Americans will have mailed Black America and the world an unmistakeable message, to wit, that no Black man will ever secure their executive assent nor gain that last ounce of their electoral trust. Obama will have thus been fixed as their “racial horizon” and the ceiling beyond which they will never permit a Black man to rise in their estimation and, by extension, political order. And they should be in no doubt that mankind stands ready to deliver the sternest possible riposte to so brazen a display.

A defeat for Obama this Super Tuesday risks the permanent indictment of America as a racist state for here is the one Black candidate who pulls the exculpatory rug out from under her feet and brings her to a screeching face-to-face reckoning with her own true self. He is the mirror in which her own idealised reflection is shattered into a million shards of glass and left scattered for the whole world to see. If Obama is deemed unpalatable to that electorate the clarion message which will echo around the globe is that no Black presidential contender will ever pass their muster nor garner their final blessing. White Americans must elect Obama for their own sakes for the implication of their failure so to do is one they simply cannot afford. Devoid of any of the flaws and foibles which handicapped previous Black aspirants to the Oval Office, Obama is the one candidate who puts white attitudes to their supreme test and extinguishes any last flicker of an excuse with which they may have burnished their otherwise vile prejudices.

If ever a Black man could be said to have vaulted every last hurdle of electability which white America erects in the Grand Canyon that yawns between Black America and the White House it is Obama and as such no Black man could present her with a more resounding self-indictment were she to pass him over. The lack of concordance between what white Americans have told the pollsters in the run-up to Super Tuesday and how they actually go on to behave once safely concealed behind the drawn curtains of their voting booths is set to unmask them to the world as never before and they would do well to be sporting their very Sunday best.

Obama’s candidacy has all but transformed this Super Tuesday into a de facto “referendum” on Black America and the day on which whites are set to let the whole world know ~ through the ballots they cast ~ just what they “think” of their Black compatriots. Super Tuesday is now “Obama Day” and the occasion on which white America will not only render her “verdict” on his presidential bid but, far more importantly, on herself. For this occasion will also afford humanity a plebiscite of its own ~ on white America. And in denying Obama, she will stand condemned before all mankind and will have sentenced her own people to the gallows of a wrathful world.

Should the planet Earth awaken to an Obama defeat come Wednesday morn, the Black and Brown nations of OPEC should answer this outrage by tripling the price of oil and forcing the gas-guzzling white American to pay for his prejudices at the petrol pump. This anti-Apartheid-style “white tax” should also be inflicted on every white-owned American corporation operating outside of the US and any other global entity over which they have even the slightest sway until every last one of them has been driven to their knees in grovelling penitence for their electoral sins. Mankind must be merciless with this people and pummel them into toothless submission should they have the temerity to reject Barack Obama.

And to the perennial question of whether she is “ready” for a Black head-of-state, the time has long since passed for her to have answered in the affirmative for she is going to get one whether she is ready or not. If it isn’t Barack Obama this year, it will be someone else before too long. Our world is quite sick and tired of the snail-like lethargy with which white Americans have reluctantly dragged themselves away from their Neolithic attitudes and crawled to the point where they would countenance the election of a chieftain who doesn’t share their complexion. Mankind has waited long enough and is quite simply prepared to wait no more.

When Jesse Jackson first ran for the office in 1984, the question was raised as to whether whites were prepared for such a prospect. Twenty-four long years have since elapsed and these troglodytes are still mulling the same demeaning question. If they aren’t yet ready for a Black premier in as late as 2008 these people will never be and as the demographic balance in their country drifts away from them and towards one with a Black/Latino/Asian majority by 2040, white Americans are going to one day find themselves with a Black CEO whether they are “ready” for one or not. And if they won’t bring themselves to willingly elect a candidate as affable as Obama, this world will force on them a ruler as congenial as Malcolm X. Humanity has more than had its fill of the Nero-like narcissism with which white Americans have for too long indulged their political appetites and since they just so happen to find themselves marooned on a planet where China and India are each set to surpass the US and EU in GNP by 2035 ~ as its Anglo-Saxon populace dwindles to a paltry 5% of the entire human family ~ they had best adjust themselves to a new reality wherein persons of colour rule the Earth and hold the fate of all mankind in their hands.

If this people prove incapable of surmounting their own worst instincts and electing Barack Obama, we will patiently wait them out and when the pendulum of racial power in America finally swings over to her new Golden Majority will band together and place a pit bull in the Oval Office more ferocious than a hybrid of Osama bin Laden, Louis Farrakhan and Count Dracula. And with his accession to power the doors of the White House will forever be sealed to white America. Our simple response to those who would wonder about her willingness to nominate a Black man to that nation's highest office is this: WE are and whether they are "ready" or not ~ or whether they like it or don’t ~ we fully intend to one day shove a Black president so far up white America she’ll be belching DMX.

As the gaze of the entire planet fastens upon her this Super Tuesday, I leave her with this humble admonition:

DON’T DISAPPOINT ME.

~ http://www.afristok-7.blogspot.com/

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I've never seen Farrakhan or Obama cast aspersions on Ross Douthat based on the size of his television set, but maybe they just assume that all white conservative pundits have very, very small TVs.

I find Russell Arben Fox's remarks to be a pusillanimous contrivance. Louis Farrakhan is the boss of a small and heretical Muslim sect, the principal in a religious freak show. There is no need for a serious pastor to have any association with him or pay him any mind at all.

I've not read Alan Ehrenhalt's books. I wonder if there are any accounts therein of mass assemblies ca. 1922 of ethic Irish, ethnic Poles, or ethnic Italians during which Anglo-Saxon Protestant society was denounced and the assembled were berated to behave better.

Perhaps Mr. Fox would care to explain the practical effect of extravaganzas like the Million Man March toward actually inducing the erection of salutary community standards, whether or not same are a function of "collective self-identification", "unity", or "non-violent racism". He might also explain why he thinks the 'anger of the speakers', inasmuch as it incorporates recrimination against others, is part of an 'inspiring' show given that such sentiments are incongruent with the actual assumption of personal responsibility.

Because we still hold the reins of power, and as noxious as Farrakhan is, he and what he represents isn't as powerful as the still long arm of white power.

Regrets, but L. Farrakhan and A. Sharpton are opinion leaders to a modest degree in that subpopulation. I will hazard a guess that alienated working-class blacks and the hyper-alienated black lumpenproletariat are (as a rule) waterproof to the utterances of someone like Mitt Romney. However, on their understanding of the workings of the world around them and their own hierarchy of obligations within it, Farrakhan and Sharpton might just have some influence.

I'm with Jason C. and Justin K. Nothing I know about Obama's congregation suggests that it's any more "chauvinistic" than, say, some all-white Presbyterian churches I know that like to play up their Scottish roots. Ethnic churches have a long history in American Christianity, especially in Chicago.

Art Deco writes: "I will hazard a guess that alienated working-class blacks and the hyper-alienated black lumpenproletariat are (as a rule) waterproof to the utterances of someone like Mitt Romney. However, on their understanding of the workings of the world around them and their own hierarchy of obligations within it, Farrakhan and Sharpton might just have some influence."

Translation: Artie and his ubermensch Klan pals don't think black people are smart and perhaps a return to slavery is in order.

For the record, I think lumping Al Sharpton in with Farrakhan is a mistake. Sharpton is something of a buffoon and has said a lot of dumb things. But as far as I know he isn't a vicious bigot like Farrakhan.

Sen. Obama is racially negroid but ethnically sui generis. His association with this congregation is an elective affiliation and not an extension of his upbringing. (Black megachurches being fairly thin on the ground in Honolulu ca. 1975). An affiliation with an Eastern Orthodox congregation chock-full of Ethiopian immigrants would have been as apt from a certain standpoint (and more apt from another as such Churches have authentic holy orders and a liturgy that has evolved organically from that of the early Church).

Thank God we've got Art Deco tell us what church is appropriate for a "negroid" like Obama.

It always amuses me when wingnuts like Art decide to tell black folks how to behave. Lord know there's no one with more credibility to do so.

What David said. Obama's chruch is no more chauvanistic than the proudly Norwegian Lutheran, lutefisk-supper-hosting churches we have here in Wisconsin. I think you're being pretty damn disingenuous here Ross, trying to pretend that it's somehow indicative of the "future of racism."

I'm with Jason C. and Justin K. Nothing I know about Obama's congregation suggests that it's any more "chauvinistic" than, say, some all-white Presbyterian churches I know that like to play up their Scottish roots. Ethnic churches have a long history in American Christianity, especially in Chicago.

Where do you find such a Presbyterian congregation?

You find a great many Catholic, Orthodox, and Lutheran Churches which were founded by erected to serve immigrant congregations. They often retain a distinctive chant and hymnody as well as liturgies conducted in foreign vernaculars. This has an analogue in the distinctive sort of worship you see in convention Baptist congregations. The ethnic aspect is part of their being, not a basis for an ideology, and the ethnicity in question is authentic. None of the Eastern-rite Catholic congregations I am associated with are promoting a Ukranian Value System or a Lebanese Value System. Neither are they promoting their affiliation with foreign populations with which they share only a haplogroup.

both Noah Millman and Russell Arben Fox decline to be all that exorcised by the links between Obama and black chauvinism

I should hope not. An exorcism is serious business and requires the services of a accredited priest, not just some random shmuck that Barack Obama happened to go to church with.

There is a phenomenon where notable individuals are called on to account for the foibles of anyone in their "group." For obvious reasons, it's hard for someone in a minority to go around denouncing their fellows all the time, even if they don't sympathize with their views. This makes a convenient stick for the majority to wield against minority subgroups. I'm not just talking about blacks. Most minorities - Jews, for example, or Irish - have gone through similar things.

It always amuses me when wingnuts like Art decide to tell black folks how to behave. Lord know there's no one with more credibility to do so.

He can go to church wherever he likes. However, that particular congregation has its creed, code, and cult and is subject to evaluation on that basis. Whether it is good, bad, or indifferent, that sort of Protestantism may be a component of the world Mrs. Obama grew up in, but not the Senator.

There is a phenomenon where notable individuals are called on to account for the foibles of anyone in their "group."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is not some random dude from the South Side of Chicago but the Pastor of the Senator's church. It is reasonable to ask the Senator to what degree he is on board with what this man preaches.

The problem, Ross, with racism, is that it's only nonviolent so long as the racist party decides that some kind of radical action is unnecessary or impossible.

However, as much as I find William S. Lind's cultural views to be a bit cranky (massive understatement), the one thing the Fourth Generation Warfare guys really do understand is that the tools communities use to enforce ethnic, or religious, purity are becoming far, far cheaper and, at the same time, far, far more effective.

For example, if any of these hyper-alienated groups realize just how effective IEDs have been overseas, people like me who support, generally as a result of birth/upbringing, the Establishment and status quo, are in for a very nasty attitude adjustment.

> "Because we still hold the reins of power, and as noxious as Farrakhan is, he and what he represents isn't as powerful as the still long arm of white power"

True as a general rule. Not true, distributively, in every single case. As I posted recently (in a different context), you can be a rich hetero Christian white Anglo-Saxon millionaire but, if a black lesbian of Jewish ancestry pulls a gun on you in a car park, the power imbalance is not all in your favour.

Likewise, on balance, in Northern Ireland, Catholics are the victims and Protestants are the oppressors, but this is not any comfort if you get your legs blown off by the IRA. If groups, even small minority groups, become receptive to a message of freelance violence and paranoia, they can do a lot of damage in today's world.

Trying to decide who's the Rawlsian worst-off based *solely* on historical generalisations can tie you in knots - like Steve Carrell's character in "The Office" ("Slavery versus the Holocaust! It's the Olympics of suffering!"), or closer to home, the current Democratic primary ("You're an upper-class white woman!" "You're a male who was only two when the Civil Rights Act was passed!", yadda yadda).

PS: Meant to add - if members of a minority group turn militant because of how they've been treated by The Man, it's not always The Man who suffers the brunt of their anger. The victim may be a different minority - Black women, or Korean shopkeepers in LA, or Orthodox Jews in Crown Heights. It may be true to say "Well, angry Black men are no real threat to the white American majority", but that doesn't mean all is harmonious.

if it is reasonable to expect obama to answer for what his church teaches is it also reasonable to ask that of the other candidates? especially those who are part of christian denominations who teach the "curse of ham" theory, i.e., that blacks are black because of a curse that noah put on one of his sons, and that they were thus destined to be servants and slaves in the world?

why don't we find out where the white christian candidates stand on whether or not they believe in this (false and derogatory) christian doctrine? what about romney and the mormons, at one time. (and maybe still now), blacks were looked at as 'less than' in the mormon book and theology - why isn't romney being asked to answer for this?

Get it through your heads.

The term racist has only one meaning: honky.

A bad white Gentile, a Gentile that does not know his place is a honky, a racist.

That is why there is such reluctance to attach the word honky (racist) to a Jew or nonwhite.

It would be like calling a white a n-word.

Thanks Joes Morgan, it's nice to get a definition of racism from someone who lists a White Supremacist site (VDare) as his URL.

I feel like the comments here have entered a fantasy world. You guys are spinning tales of euphemistically described "marginalized groups" suddenly breaking out the guns and IEDs. Why does every conservative thread about race turn into race war fantasy fiction within 20 posts?

Comparisons to Iraq and N. Ireland are simply not apt here. Minority groups in modern American have never engaged in the kind of organized guerilla violence you describe. That kind of activity, from Reconstruction on, has always been the province of white racists and fundamentalists like the KKK, anti-integration Night Riders, minutemen, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Army of God, etc.

And this stuff has bugger all to do with Obama and his church. TUCC is a open, welcoming church that celebrates its predominantly black community. What's wrong with that. Rev. Wright's Daughter's magazine's praise of Farrakhan is not something I'm crazy about, but Obama long ago made it clear he doesn't share those sentiments.

Read this Martin Marty piece on TUCC. Come back to reality.
http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2007/0402.shtml

Also posted this on Rod's blog, so forgive me if you read both. But that conversation seems to have run its course, so I'm reposting here.

In the broader conversation, two undercurrents are running together: first, the "black nationalism" of Wright in particular and TUCC in general and, second, the anti-Semitism of Farrakhan.

The first issue does not trouble me, and here's why. Imagine the cultural markers offered a young black woman in South Chicago today. On one hand, popular film and music culture offers her a massively destructive value system in which women are referred to as "bitches" and "whores," in which economic opportunities are limited to selling sex or drugs, in which black men are either in or on the way to prison. These value pronouncements are defended by liberal interlocutors as being "authentic," as being the "legitimate" picture of the street. The entertainment industry validates this value system by giving its highest award to a song about the difficulties of a pimp keeping his "bitches" in line.

On the other hand, you have places like TUCC reminding this woman that her culture and history is a proud one, and that she has opportunities beyond what she may see on the streets. To that end, TUCC talks about pride in Africa, about self-discipline, about work and accomplishment and opportunity. That talk may be modulated in ways that makes whites uncomfortable, and in ways that focus on her ethic identity, but the message is essentially a positive one.

In short, my thesis is that the target of TUCC's brand of rhetoric is not inherently white racism, but instead black nihlism. It has more to say to Robert Johnson and the hip-hop industry than it does to the white middle class. And it is in some sense a culturally "internal" conversation in that it is trying to articulate to its members a positive and uplifting vision of ethnic identity, in contrast to the predominant cultural assumptions.

I further propose that this is why Obama calls it an "essentially conservative" message. I think this is politically the case because it calls on its members to believe in self-improvement and individual responsibility. Obama frequently gives voice to this idea in calling on fathers to be fathers, and in otherwise recognizing that the solution to the challenges facing the downtrodden in America (be they black, white, Latino, etc.) starts in the family and neighborhood and church. More importantly, it is culturally conservative because recognizing and celebrating a specific culture and history, and seeking to preserve that culture and history, is an inherently conservative agenda. Read Alasdair MacIntyre if you doubt me. In brief, however, the idea of the ahistorical, uncultural, atomized individual, with no binding claims to family or people or group, is the liberal dream.

To come back to the main theme, I am more troubled by the second current, that of Farrakhan's anti-Semitism. Obama has repudiated it, but I think this will be a more difficult current to navigate than the first.

Ross, I think the current is in the opposite direction.

I think it's fair as a rule to say younger people tend to be less racist, but by the same token they appear to be less inclined to back racial preferences and the like.

my sense is that this is the result both of greater social interaction (incl inter marriage), and greater immigration (someone just here from Latvia or Mexico is less likely to feel she owes anything for the sins of people she is not related to and knows little about). whatever the source, we seem to be becoming less race conscious, whatever the people yelling on TV claim.

Obama was raised in a white family. His mother was white. This bears repeating--his mother, his mommy-who may have breastfed him, was white. He was first nurtured in the womb of a white woman. He lived with white grandparents, heartland American white people he continues to adore. He is at least 50% white (whatever that means). The only reason he is black is because America imposed that on him. The one drop rule is still here. This race talk makes me ill.

Re: None of the Eastern-rite Catholic congregations I am associated with are promoting a Ukranian Value System or a Lebanese Value System.

Mr. Deco,

Probably true with regard to such congregations in America. But my impression was that many of the Eastern churches _in their home countries_ are bound up with a kind of nationalism that sees that country as having been chosen for a particular and unique historical destiny. "Holy Russia", the "Third Rome", the Maronites and Serbians holding the line against the Muslim hordes, and so forth. Of course no Eastern church has ever been remotely associated with _racism_, but I do think that they have often been associated with nationalism and a sense of 'historical destiny'- obviously in a way that the Catholic church, being by definition international, has not.

Remember when Justice Thomas spoke up during a cross-burning case?

Smolla's strategy, which ordinarily might prove successful, may have been neutralized by Thomas's powerful words. When Smolla asked rhetorically what the difference was between burning a torch and burning a cross, Justice Anthony Kennedy shot back, "100 years of history," mirroring what Thomas had said.

Intellectual equivalence, without any context, is not moral equivalence.

I could be mistaken, but I don't see why Al Sharpton should be lumped in with Louis Farrakhan, any more than Mike Huckabee should be lumped in with David Duke.

The only reason he is black is because America imposed that on him. The one drop rule is still here. This race talk makes me ill.

The Senator:

1. Left Honolulu;

2. Married a black woman from the South Side of Chicago. (88% of the women in this country are not black); and

3. Joined a black Protestant church.

I think this suggests he feels an affinity with Black American society, even though that world is not the world of his upbringing.

If the classification of the Senator as 'black' was thoroughly a function of the attitudes of the majority population, it is not likely he would have acquired a disproportionate share of the vote from his wife's community.

I don't see why Al Sharpton should be lumped in with Louis Farrakhan, any more than Mike Huckabee should be lumped in with David Duke.

Sharpton is a political harlequin and a professional agitator who has made his career by stoking and exploiting social resentments. He bears far more resemblance to Duke and Farrakhan in how he earns a living than he does to the erstewhile Governor of Arkansas.

I think the comparison with extremist Judaism is a very good one, especially since some Jewish advocacy groups are leading the charge against Obama (and for perfectly good reasons, as Farrakhan is a horrible anti-Semite!).

The fact of the matter is, if one looked at many ultra-Orthodox communities (not merely the Chabad), as well as religiously-motivated settler groups in the West Bank, one would find lots of people with very offensive and pre-modern beliefs about God, gender, ethnicity, the Palestinians, etc. But we rightly don't ask every Jewish politician to distance him- or herself from the leader of his or her congregation if that person had ever expressed any sympathy with any of the groups on the fringe of Judaism or met with any of its leaders.

The reason is, in the end, it's about what the politician believes, not what the politician's minister believes or who the minister's friends are.

Dilan,

It was a magazine run by Obama's pastor's daughter which praised some of Farrakhan's social service programs. Obama has made it clear that he does not support Farrakhan and that he disagrees with his Pastor on many issues. This story is not, in fact, a good reason form Jewish groups to attack Obama. It's ridiculous triple-bank-shot smear by association.

I would love to see Mike Huckabee's association with pastors who endorse stoning backtalking children get a fraction of the attention this non-story is getting.

Sharpton is something of a buffoon and has said a lot of dumb things. But as far as I know he isn't a vicious bigot like Farrakhan.

You've got it backwards - unlike Farrakhan, Sharpton has successfully incited race riots in which people died. Google "Crown Heights" and "Freddie's Fashion Mart."

Farrakhan (the bogeyman) on Presidential Election, Obama and whether America has changed:

These candidates and their rise in popularity among the people do indicate a change in the attitude of many Americans concerning females and Blacks.

Barack Obama has been very careful not to position himself as Reverend Jesse Jackson or Reverend Al Sharpton as a promoter of “The Black Cause.” He has been groomed, wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier, rather than one who speaks only for the hurt of Black people. In this, he has tapped the dissatisfaction of many Whites, Blacks, Hispanics and Asians across the spectrum, because who cares what color you are if you can save them from the mess that they find themselves in.

However, the hope of a potential female or African-American president I don’t think is enough to change the reality of the Black, Native American, poor and oppressed people of this land. There are forces, beyond the president, that dictate how the president presides. There are forces that Barack Obama may see, or may not see, and these are the forces that kill presidents when presidents don’t act as they think the president should act to further their ends; thus the killing of Abraham Lincoln and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

The forces of racism in this country are still very strong. Even though there is strong mass appeal, if the racist element in this country thinks that Barack Obama will be our next president, they may come out of the woodwork if they can’t bend him, and hurt our Brother, and therefore show the country though the masses may say “We like him,” the forces may say “He is not one of us.” -Source, FinalCall.com News

If a white man (by appearance & genes), marries a black woman and moves to a black community he is now black? That's a load.

Obama is half white. He is just as white as he is black. Period. Why is this difficult to understand?

"You've got it backwards - unlike Farrakhan, Sharpton has successfully incited race riots in which people died. Google "Crown Heights" and "Freddie's Fashion Mart."

Farrakhan has arguably successfully incited the assassination of Malcolm X.

Farrakhan said: "the die is set, and Malcolm shall not escape, especially after such evil foolish talk about his benefactor, Elijah Muhammad. Such a man as Malcolm is worthy of death."

From: "Farrakhan helped build climate for Malcolm X's death, historian says"
http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/95/950117Arc5411.html

At the moment, there seems to be a tacit agreement – in the media elite especially, but in the wider society as well – that racial chauvinism among African-Americans is grounds for more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger disapproval, whereas racial chauvinism among whites is grounds for outrage, and dismissal from polite society.

"The soft bigotry of low expectations."

pjgoober:

Farrakhan egged on the killer of a fellow whacko.
Sharpton egged on the killing of eight innocent bystanders and the accidental self-killing of a fellow whacko.

I'd say Sharpton is the bigger danger to the life and limb of random law-abiding citizens. And that Democrats are proud to appear in public with a man with blood on his hands rather than shunning him the way Republicans shun David Duke says nothing good about Democrats.

You sure the part of George Bush wants to get into a blood-on-hands competition here?

You sure the party of Mike Huckabee wants to get into a blood-on-hands competition here?

In recent years when I find myself standing in a polling both trying to figure out "which of these appalling sleazebags sucks less?" the answer has been Republican somewhat more often than Democrat, but that by no means I strongly identify with the Republican brand, or will be bothered by "tu quoues" against them.

That said, leaving aside policy issues on which people disagree (*) I don't know of any equivalents to the race-riot-inciting Al Sharpton or the negligent-murdering Ted Kennedy on the Republican side (their sins tend more to those involving large sums of money and/or anonymous bathroom sex.)

* The warmongers claim quite sincerely that the pacifists have on their hands the blood of anyone Saddam killed between the first Iraq war when we should have overthrown him and when we finally got around to finishing the job. The free-marketers believe that HillaryCare will doom the poor to even worse medical service than they get now, as the sort of rationing the British National Health already imposes comes to America. Disagreeing about stuff like this is very different from being at the front of a mob that kills people.

Mike Huckabee I do think has some blood on his hands - he *personally* pardoned a violent felon who went right out and killed another victim. This is much more directly a result of his action than Dukakis' connection to Willie Horton ever was. But still, it's bad judgement in the use of the powers of office, not an actual *crime* (like inciting to riot or leaving the scene of an accident) that he could and should have been prosecuted for.

While Bush may or may not have made the right decisions in situations where we can never go back and see what would have happened had a different strategy been followed, where has he personally, directly helped kill somebody as part of his daily life?

Sharpton stirred up some tumults that got out of control. Bush ordered an army to invade a nation, I actually think his culpability is somewhat more direct here. But we are straying off-topic here.

The off-topicness is due to an attempt to distract based on a category error. Presidents are required by their job to make life-and-death decisions. Sometimes they screw up - as you believe GWB did with Iraq, and as I believe GHWB did by not finishing the job in Iraq when he had the chance, and as we probably both agree that Kennedy and Johnson did by getting us into an unwinnable war in Vietnam. No matter what actions a president takes including inaction, someone somewhere will accuse him of killing people by doing the wrong thing. Unless the president is infallible, sometimes his critics will be right.

But nobody is *required* to "stir up some tumults that get out of control." That is Sharpton's chosen profession ... scumbag. It's argued above that it's ok to tolerate a Sharpton when you wouldn't tolerate a Duke because the Duke is more dangerous, but I don't think that's true anymore. While historically David Duke's KKK may have killed a lot of black people, Duke himself has been singularly ineffectual at it - certainly compared to Sharpton's ability to get white people killed.

Are you genuinely unable to see the difference between people with sincere disagreements about what's the right thing to do and wannabe-fascists like Sharpton and Duke?

"The reason is, in the end, it's about what the politician believes, not what the politician's minister believes or who the minister's friends are." Posted by Dilan Esper

Right. Remember when Jimmy Carter was first running for president? It was then revealed that he was a member of an all-white SB congregation that was determined to remain that way. We libs didn't like that, but it doesn't seem to have hurt Carter with the black community then or since.

Laura Bush ran over and killed someone as a young woman in Texas. However, that seems to have been a pure bad-luck accident.

Rod Blaine writes: "Laura Bush ran over and killed someone as a young woman in Texas. However, that seems to have been a pure bad-luck accident."

She blew through a stop sign and killed an ex-boyfriend. If Hillary Clinton had done that Limbaugh & Co. would have been having strokes over it.

Laura didn't even get a traffic ticket out of the incident. Hell, maybe she blew a dozen cops to get out of it. Who knows? It was Texas, she was connected, and no one cares when Repiglicans do bad things.

Laura Bush, tied with Ted Kennedy. We hear about Ted all the time, and she gets a free pass. Why is that, exactly?

To my knowledge no one has ever even asked her about this incident on tape, face to face. A total free pass. Again, why is that?

The "liberal bias of the media" is pure bullshit.

Ross,

You'll notice that most of the agitation about Farrakhan is not that he preaches that Dr. Yacub genetically engineered white people to be evil, it's that he's specifically anti-Semitic. Today, being anti-white is okay, being anti-Semitic is not.

I don't expect that to change.

The issue is that many Obama supporters indulge in a fantasy of Obama as the "postracial" candidate who "transcends race" The tiny handful of readers, such as Shelby Steele, who have slogged all the way through Obama's autobiography know better. It is aptly subtitled "A Story of Race and Inheritance," since there is almost nothing else in it. There are no funny stories, no glimpses of important people he met, no nothing except 442 pages of race and inheritance.

As pages 274-295 of "Dreams from My Father" show, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. is the most influential male figure in Sen. Obama's adult life. It's not exactly a coincidence that the title of Obama's recent bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" is also the title of the first sermon he ever heard Wright preach.

Wright is extremely racialistic and that's exactly what Obama wanted. He'd met dozens of South Side pastors as a community organizer, and he picked Wright out carefully.

But, it's also worth noting that Wright is extremely leftist, and that's exactly what Obama wanted too.

If anybody is actually interested in what Obama and Wright have said about their relationship, see:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/080120_obama.htm

Moe, Laura Bush doesn't hold elected office. also, the accident apparently was in 1963, about 15 years before she met GWB.

let the hate go, man. it's bad for you.

The MSM did cover Mitt Romney's "dog on the car" inicdent, which gives me grave doubts about the mans character and judgement.

Okay, if it was an ex-boyfriend that Laura Bush ran down, that does make it more suspicious. What were the odds? What was the population of the town at the time? Otherwise it does sound a bit Tarantino.