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What Huckabee Wants

11 Feb 2008 07:31 pm

I defer, of course, to Jim Geraghty when he reports, here and here, that in terms of actual delegates to the GOP convention the debate over who "won" the Washington Caucus was much ado about nothing. But in terms of how the race gets covered, you can see why the Huckabee campaign would have been steamed by the possibility, however slim, that they were denied a victory in the voting by some behind-the-scenes flimflam. Nobody in the national press went into the details about how the Washington vote doesn't really matter for delegate apportionment; they just reported it, at least at first, as a victory for McCain, full stop. And for Huck's campaign, what matters now isn't how many delegates he accumulates - since he obviously isn't going to derail McCain in the long run - but what kind of attention he gets along the way, and getting credited for a weekend sweep would have raised his profile considerably more than the two-of-three showing he seems to have actually enjoyed.

Jennifer Rubin argues that Huck’s campaign for attention can only hurt his future ambitions, but I’m not so sure. The whole “the more people see of Huck, the less they’ll like him” thesis has been bandied about by conservative pundits for months now without being borne out in the polls. Huckabee is clearly hoping that his one-on-one moment with McCain will help establish him as a force within the GOP going forward, whether it boosts his cachet as a potential VP pick, or simply helps him to consolidate his position as the spokesman for the populist, religious-conservative wing of the party. (And maybe persuades a few McCain-haters in the movement to take a second look at him – who knows?) If he keeps on the way he’s been going - winning some small states, polling surprisingly well in big ones, and racking up the occasional endorsement (yesterday, James Dobson; today, Paul Weyrich) - I don’t think this is an unreasonable calculation. Particularly since if McCain were to pick him as his veep, it would be on the assumption that Huck could help turn out the right-wing base – and every vote he gets from here to the convention is an exhibit for the theory that he’s actually more in touch with the conservative grassroots than, say, Rush Limbaugh.

Obviously there’s a balancing act here, and to the extent that he ends up being a serious thorn in the McCain camp’s side - if only by reminding the media how lukewarm the love for McCain is on the Right - it’s hard to imagine that they’ll want to hand him the keys to the Naval Observatory. But McCain probably won’t pick him as a running mate no matter what he does, in which case this is Huck’s last chance to steal even a little of the ’08 limelight. So long as he isn’t embarrassing himself (and he isn’t at the moment), why shouldn’t he make the most of it? He won’t get to play air hockey with Stephen Colbert come the fall …

Comments (45)

If we knew it would lose, McCain-Huckabee would be the most fun ticket of all time. Just watching all the "movement conservatives" pick their way backward, away from everything they've said to date about McCain, has been fun. Seeing them walk twice as far? Delicious.

Huckabee's supporters range far beyond the religious right and evangelical base he's credited with; we support him because he's the only candidate with a tough stand on illegal immigration (how has that issue been sidelined?!), because we support the FairTax (please visit www.fairtax.org), because he's a magnificent orator, with Reagan-like communications skills...for myriad reasons. We believe that a brokered convention is possible. We believe that the Republican Party needs a candidate who can inspire a renewed enthusiasm, with a constituency that will actively work to put our guy in the White House in the upcoming election. It's going to take that kind of dedication and drive to beat the Democratic ticket, and folks, that guy is not John McCain!

It is interesting to point out, as Governor Huckabee did on NPR today, that the states in which he's won are states that are going to be vital in the general election for the GOP. Many of McCain's delegates come from traditionally Democratic states, where we don't stand a chance in November.

I urge all Republican and Independent voters to take a good look at Governor Huckabee, rather than believe what is portrayed in the media. He is far better qualified through executive experience than any remaining candidate, bar none.

Those who underestimate Mike Huckabee do so at their own peril. When he first started his campaign, they told him that it would never get off the ground because he had no money, the media said he needed at least 10 million dollars, ha not Mike.

The pundits and media had no idea how popular this man would become. In August they were still counting him out, the media hardly carried anything about him and if they did it was negative. Mike Huckabee was attacked by a huge ad campaign put out by Mitt Romney in Iowa, against all odds Mike Huckabee won.

When Mike decided to carry on in this election, everyone told him to drop out, you cannot win, Mike went on to win Arkansas, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, Kansas, Georgia and probably Washington state (we will know when they stop playing political games).

You see no one in the media or the pundits thought that Mike Huckabee would succeed and he has. You cannot count Mike Hucakbee out, he is the candidate of the people and he is doing well standing up to the establishment candidate John McCain. The people want Mike, The Washington beltway wants McCain. Who will win? I put my money on the peoples candidate.

Mike Huckabee has proven that he is a fiscal conservative by spending each and every campaign dollar wisely. Mike has shown he has strength in the face of persecution, true grit and enormous drive. Mike Huckabee has all the qualities we want (the people) in a President..

I have been a Huckabee supporter for a long time and with each fight or obstacle that Mike Huckabee overcomes, I admire him even more..

America is missing out on a truly great leader who can bring refreshing and stable change, if they fail to put Mike Huckabee into office..

But if you people want to coronate John McCain, you will get Washington as usual, no change and the same old failed policies. A John McCain Presidency would be about as refreshing as the scent of an old stale cigar...

I dunno if Huck would help McCain much in the general. He's gonna need to woo Independents to win, and a guy who wants to edit the Constitution to fit Biblical principles can only hurt him there.

I think Huck is mainly just trying to make a dignified exit. It wouldn't do for him, to, you know, call it quits the same exact week as Romney. And if he can pick up a few more delegates in the process of extending his campaign a couple more weeks, why not? He'll pass Romney in the delegate count, make a strong case for running mate, and firmly establish himself as a leading contender in 2012. I don't think I've heard him making very many criticisms of John McCain lately, and I don't expect to. He'll hang it up in a couple of weeks or so (at the most), after he's allowed enough time to elapse after Romney's exit.

I'm just disturbed as again Republicans seem disinterested in keeping some of the basic promises of democracy. I mean, Jesus, if we can't all agree on "This is America, count every vote" than what can we agree on?

Y'know, however screwy Washington's system is, it's still darn strange that they first slowed way the heck down, then decided to stop counting votes altogether. But still felt ok announcing who had won (by pure coincidence, it was the overall frontrunner).

Make excuses if you like, but this is darn strange.

As to the issue of what Huckabee's long term strategy is, it's hard to see why it hurts him long term to stick with it a bit. The more he gets it into the world's head that he finished second to a super famous war hero despite having zero money or name recognition, the better it is for him.

All that said, his campaign is the one that I found most disappointing. His "make the Constitution say what I say God says it should say" statement was atrocious politics and theology. His flip-flop on immigration was not so rad, either.

He just seemed like a conventional, not-ready-for-prime-time politician.

Beth writes: "Huckabee's supporters range far beyond the religious right and evangelical base he's credited with; we support him because he's the only candidate with a tough stand on illegal immigration (how has that issue been sidelined?!), because we support the FairTax (please visit www.fairtax.org), because he's a magnificent orator, with Reagan-like communications skills...for myriad reasons."

The Fair Tax is a crackpot notion that would usher in an era of organized crime that would make Prohibition-era gangsterdom look like a gaggle of pursesnatchers by comparison. When it was pointed out to the poorly-educated Hickabee that the Fair Tax scheme would lead to a massive black market he acted as though the idea had never occurred to him. He's not just an idiot, he's a dangerous idiot.

"the Fair Tax scheme would lead to a massive black market"

This is unlikely because the consumer pays the tax. The business is not likely to go out on a limb and risk prosecution and their solvency by colluding with a buyer to avoid the sales tax. It takes two to break the law.

But it will ensure that the dealers in the existing black market of drugs, prostitution, etc. end up paying their fair share of taxes when they buy regular goods and services.

As for the Constitution, as much as the atheists in this country would like to believe, America was founded by believers and the Constitution enshrines laws that come from Western, Christian civilization. All Huckabee was acknowledging was that our culture, and the morals of that culture, come from Christianity. And our belief that life is sacred comes from Christianity. And if we have to amend the constitution to protect the right to life, there's nothing wrong with that.

If values don't come from religion, where do they come from? It's naive to think that the Golden Rule is all you need for culture and civilization.

rick replies: ""the Fair Tax scheme would lead to a massive black market"

This is unlikely because the consumer pays the tax. The business is not likely to go out on a limb and risk prosecution and their solvency by colluding with a buyer to avoid the sales tax. It takes two to break the law. "

You're a moron with no understanding of economics or human nature. A tax of 25% or so on consumption would INEVITABLY lead to a massive criminal underground in this country. And rightly so. The risk of prosecution would be negligible, just as it is now for people who smuggle cigarettes or liquor from state to state to avoid (usually smaller) tax burdens.

"As for the Constitution, as much as the atheists in this country would like to believe, America was founded by believers and the Constitution enshrines laws that come from Western, Christian civilization. All Huckabee was acknowledging was that our culture, and the morals of that culture, come from Christianity. And our belief that life is sacred comes from Christianity."

Thomas Jefferson sure wasn't a Christian, and if you think life isn't sacred to non-Christians, I suggest you're a purely ignorant bigot with un-American values. I'm glad your point of view has been revealed as bogus by the torture-loving, warmongering ways of Dumbya Bush, the favored idiot child-president of fundamentalist Christians.

"f values don't come from religion, where do they come from? It's naive to think that the Golden Rule is all you need for culture and civilization."

So India and Japan aren't civilized cultures? Damn, you're stupid. But you're not rare. You are the Repiglican base.

This is unlikely because the consumer pays the tax. The business is not likely to go out on a limb and risk prosecution and their solvency by colluding with a buyer to avoid the sales tax. It takes two to break the law.

A crooked business could charge an extra 15% for an off-the-books purchase, the buyer would save 10%, and there'd be no incentive to cheat? You need to consider this a bit more carefully.

I LIKE MIKE!

Hes got this non practicing roman catholics vote because if nothing else hes got a fresh set of ideas and is a breath of life into todays politics.

Everyones crying out for change, but when a candidate has a plan for change they say its too radical?
It takes a serious man to stand in front of the nation and say what every citizen knows but every politician fears: "The current system is so broken its beyond repair" (aka fair tax) What most politicians see as political suicide is exactly what makes Mike so appealing.

Who cant love the idea of the little man winning against the huge corrupt political machines of today?

Its time to stop listening to the cronies and start listening to the people!

GO MIKE GO!

Dharmic and Taoic religions are still religions, MLaJ. How Eurocentric of you.

Quietus writes: "Dharmic and Taoic religions are still religions, MLaJ. How Eurocentric of you."

I never suggested hey weren't, dipshit. Learn to read.

' "f values don't come from religion, where do they come from? It's naive to think that the Golden Rule is all you need for culture and civilization."

So India and Japan aren't civilized cultures?'

You're suggesting that they have the Golden Rule, whilst they don't have religion. Be less ambiguous next time, bitchtits.

Get out and vote for Huck tomorrow (today)!! Send a message to all the doubters, the media, the Republican elite; that they are wrong!! Huck can win the rest of the states by large margins now that it's one on one. Romney supportes, get out and vote for Huck!!

www.mikehuckabee.com

Get out and vote for Huck tomorrow (today)!! Send a message to all the doubters, the media, the Republican elite; that they are wrong!! Huck can win the rest of the states by large margins now that it's one on one. Romney supportes, get out and vote for Huck!!

www.mikehuckabee.com

Get out and vote for Huck tomorrow (today)!! Send a message to all the doubters, the media, the Republican elite; that they are wrong!! Huck can win the rest of the states by large margins now that it's one on one. Romney supporters, get out and vote for Huck!!

www.mikehuckabee.com

Quietus quotes and writes: "' "f values don't come from religion, where do they come from? It's naive to think that the Golden Rule is all you need for culture and civilization."

So India and Japan aren't civilized cultures?'

You're suggesting that they have the Golden Rule, whilst they don't have religion. Be less ambiguous next time, bitchtits."

Only if you ignore the Jesus-pimping post I was responding to, you dumb fuck. Context should matter even to ignorant Cheney-taint lickers like you.

It was purposefully meant to be out of context. A snipe for a snipe, and we're all good friends here.

And I should respectfully urge you not to talk about my dear Mary like that. It's not her fault that our experiences turned her off men.

Quietus replies: "And I should respectfully urge you not to talk about my dear Mary like that. It's not her fault that our experiences turned her off men."

So you're the bastard that gave her herpes.

It was the clap, thank you very much.

Hey Moe,

You write that a "tax of 25% or so on consumption would INEVITABLY lead to a massive criminal underground in this country."

Over here we DO have a sales tax of 25% (in addition to high income taxes!) and it works just fine. Of course it's risen to that level over decades rather than overnight, but that level of sales tax in itself is unproblematic. The extra cost of running an illegal rather than legit business would for most categories of goods far exceed a sales tax of 25-30%

I'll preempt the snark for you.

"Hey Norway, the U.S. rednecks will piss themselves while running to secede again before they accept the high taxes (and free medical care) that you have. Also, Denmark called, they're fucking your mother."

Quietus-- Do you think that a non-Christian society can arrive at the Golden Rule without religion? Do you think that only Christianity has produced civilization? In ML&J's defense, your thoughts on those two questions was not clear from your first post.

If you think that religion is necessary, and that the particular religion doesn't matter, does this trouble you as to whether or not any religion is true?

Also, your 3:13am post was hilarious. How would an entire country use a telephone? Or engage in intercourse?

Krauthammer opines that what Huck really wants is a nice, fat, talk show host contract. Not a bad theory.

"The business is not likely to go out on a limb and risk prosecution and their solvency by colluding with a buyer to avoid the sales tax. It takes two to break the law."

I go to many mom and pop stores and rarely pay sales tax when using cash. Many places already do this, now imagine if there was an even larger incentive to not charge sales tax. I imagine we'd move heavily towards cash based transaction that can't be taxed in any meaningful way. The only way would be to create a large and intrusive enforcement arm, just like our current IRS. It's possible that Norway is a lot different than the US. We have huge unregulated borders and a society that has little regard for breaking tax laws. Norway has always struck me as a bit more compliant than the US is.

Norway writes: "You write that a "tax of 25% or so on consumption would INEVITABLY lead to a massive criminal underground in this country."

Over here we DO have a sales tax of 25% (in addition to high income taxes!) and it works just fine. Of course it's risen to that level over decades rather than overnight, but that level of sales tax in itself is unproblematic. The extra cost of running an illegal rather than legit business would for most categories of goods far exceed a sales tax of 25-30%"

I don't think you understand the US, Norway, and the "overnight" nature of the Fair Tax would be very problematic indeed. As I noted before we already have lots of criminal activity involving the avoidance of liquor and cigarette taxes, and if you expanded that potential to EVERYTHING crime would be the ultimate growth industry here. We'd have employees ripping off their employers even more than they do now.

Jordan T writes: "I go to many mom and pop stores and rarely pay sales tax when using cash. Many places already do this, now imagine if there was an even larger incentive to not charge sales tax. I imagine we'd move heavily towards cash based transaction that can't be taxed in any meaningful way. The only way would be to create a large and intrusive enforcement arm, just like our current IRS."

I'm thinking it would have to be much larger and more intrusive. Revenooers up the wazoo!

If this washington thing doesn't straighten up soon, we're not America anymore. I've convinced many Americans this past month that their vote DOES count, and then for this to happen? Your vote might not get counted?!?
This is very much ado about a BIG THING. It's not about Huckabee or McCain or anybody. It's about DEMOCRACY and a FREE REPUBLIC.

Everyone deserves their vote.
The end.

If this washington thing doesn't straighten up soon, we're not America anymore. I've convinced many Americans this past month that their vote DOES count, and then for this to happen? Your vote might not get counted?!?
This is very much ado about a BIG THING. It's not about Huckabee or McCain or anybody. It's about DEMOCRACY and a FREE REPUBLIC.

Everyone deserves their vote.
The end.

If this washington thing doesn't straighten up soon, we're not America anymore. I've convinced many Americans this past month that their vote DOES count, and then for this to happen? Your vote might not get counted?!?
This is very much ado about a BIG THING. It's not about Huckabee or McCain or anybody. It's about DEMOCRACY and a FREE REPUBLIC.

Everyone deserves their vote.
The end.

Please work on changing the winner take all rule in GOP NJ, NY, CT election
to make all the vote counted proportionally.
How could Rudy manipulate our state election rule to benefit himself,
and then benefit McCain after Rudy dropped out of the race.

JR Dieckmann
Any and all conservative candidates were driven out of the race before the vast majority of Republicans even had a chance to vote for them.

To prevent this from happening again, all primaries, or at least the vast majority of them must be held on the same day, as the candidates campaign to the nation instead of individual states. This would prevent back room deals played by McCain and Huckabee in WV. No more open primaries. Only Registered Republicans should have a say in who is selected to represent their party. Primary voters should be pre-registered before a given deadline, not simply sign up on election day.

You just don't let the stockholders of Ford vote for the CEO of General Motors, or the stockholder of Sylvania vote for the CEO of G.E. This current policy is simply ludicrous, and now we see the results.

I see huckabeast as a big phony. Using God and Jesus to provoke religions hatred. Religions is not a test for presidency as our founding fathers and constitution said. Romney has all the good value that God teach us, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro market economics, pro peace and prosperous for all the world so all will reject violence.

Huckabee give tuition to children of illegal immigrants to attract more illegal immigrants. He will run down US economic with his ecnomic incompetence. The danger of US economic clasps will make US have no means to protect our border.Huckabee can not win, your support of him is handing the election to McCain who wants open border and have 20 million illegal immigrants stay in US permenently to take away social security, education and medical care from you.

Huckabee FREED 12 MURDERERS to kill another innocent and PARDONED 1200 CRIMINALS.

Huckabee is a slick talker, attacks others religion, raises taxes. There are 12 ethical charges filed against Huckabee.
Hickabee's most loony notion is to scrap income taxes and replace them with sales taxes at roughly 30% on everything. By ending graduated taxation, Wall Street zillionaires and heiresses would pay no income taxes while single parent moms or working poor would fork out 30% on everything they spend which usually represents everything they make. It's not tax reform. It's a 30% tax on poverty, bad economics and the opposite of real Judeo-Christian values.

I don't recall Huckabee ever using God and Jesus to provoke any religious hatred of any kind.

Religion is philosophy and philosophy of life/governance is a test for my vote.

While the government can not use religion/philosophical outlook as a test for office, the voters can and really must.

Every politician has a core set of beliefs and values and hopefully has a philosophical underpinning from which these spring.

I prefer Huckabee's fairly balanced conservative Christian philosophical "grund" to the other options on the table this year.

There are those who do use there religious/philosophical beliefs as a reason to hate others, and some follow belief systems that sanction such attitudes. The Christianity of Mike Huckabee doesn't allow for such and I am hard pressed to find a place where he has demonstrated a hatred for anyone.

Hate is powerful and damaging force in our world and screaming "hate" every time someone disagrees with someone else's worldview doesn't really fit the definition.

Huckabee's not perfect, but he's the guy I'm voting for in Texas on March 4th.

"If this washington thing doesn't straighten up soon, we're not America anymore. I've convinced many Americans this past month that their vote DOES count, and then for this to happen? Your vote might not get counted?!?"

Hey it's 2000 all over again, sucks to be on the other end of it right?

Huckabee used the doctrine difference such as if Jesus and Satan are brothers to undermine Mormans and to creat fear for the people in his branch of religious againd Romney in Iowa. He already appologized even though you choose to ignor it. That is why Huckabee will never be the presiden, because majority of American reject religiou bigotry. All the religious bigotry will have to get used to president Obama soon. I am sure you could google on Obama's religious upbrings, like it or not.

Huckabee used the doctrine difference such as if Jesus and Satan are brothers to undermine Mormans and to creat fear for the people in his branch of religious againd Romney in Iowa. He already appologized even though you choose to ignor it. That is why Huckabee will never be the president, because majority of American reject religiou bigotry. All the religious bigotry will have to get used to president Obama soon. I am sure you could google on Obama's religious upbrings, like it or not.

Linda types: "Huckabee used the doctrine difference such as if Jesus and Satan are brothers to undermine Mormans and to creat fear for the people in his branch of religious againd Romney in Iowa."

Now that the campaign is over the Romney-bots are starting to break down. Kind of sad to watch, isn't it?

One wonders if the Fair Tax would lead to some sort of boom in e-commerce, making the Internet even more of a back alley black market of sorts.

Just to go back to the top. SomeCallMeTim suggests that a McCain/Huck ticket mght actually win. I doubt it. McCain is 72. He cannot choose a running mate who belongs to a distrusted ideological minority.

Could it be that, since it is assumed McCain will get the nomination anyway, Huckabee is staying in order to prevent some Republicans from crossing over to vote against Hillary in the Democratic primaries?

Over here we DO have a sales tax of 25% (in addition to high income taxes!) and it works just fine. Of course it's risen to that level over decades rather than overnight, but that level of sales tax in itself is unproblematic. The extra cost of running an illegal rather than legit business would for most categories of goods far exceed a sales tax of 25-30%

Unless Norway is an anomaly, the way in which the higher taxes are usually levied involves taxing at each level of production, rather than slapping the end consumer with a hugely regressive tax. While the black market still certainly exists in these situations, the risk/reward ratio for breaking the law is less of an encouragement under those circumstances. If I'm wrong, a link might be helpful. Thanks!

Also, FairTax true believers should not that the '23%' figure is in practice a 30% tax, and has been shown to lead to massive budget shortfalls. And while this is personal speculation, wouldn't such a tax exacerbate a recession, or at least accelerate it enough that the Fed's already slow response to a fiscal crisis would be even less effective? Just a thought.

"Huckabee give tuition to children of illegal immigrants to attract more illegal immigrants. He will run down US economic with his ecnomic incompetence.The danger of US economic clasps will make US have no means to protect our border.Huckabee can not win, your support of him is handing the election to McCain who wants open border and have 20 million illegal immigrants stay in US permenently to take away social security, education and medical care from you." Linda

Judging by how you write I take it that English is not your first language. Although what you right indicates you're here legally. So anyway is your first language Spanish or German? (Just idle curiosity)