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Obama's Speech (II)

18 Mar 2008 01:20 pm

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It had its imperfections, yet for all that I think Charles Murray makes the crucial point: Can you think of a better speech on race in America delivered recently by any politician, black or white? Of course John Derbyshire is right that Obama’s vision of how America ought to transcend our racial divisions is essentially left-wing, with whites and blacks joining hands to raise taxes and government spending, while uniting against their common enemy, the wicked axis of corporations, lobbyists and special interests. But Obama’s candidacy is essentially left-wing; he’s attempting to be a liberal Reagan, not a difference-splitter like Bill Clinton, and I think our political moment is tilting sufficiently leftward that he might just succeed. Certainly, I would have liked to see him talk more than he did about what America has achieved over the past thirty years, rather than pivoting so quickly to how much remains to be done. This speech of all speeches could have done with a little more pure “God bless America” chest-thumping, and a little less of what Andrew Ferguson has memorably described as the Obama style of “optimistic despair," in which "America is a fetid sewer whose most glorious days lie just ahead, thanks to the endless ranks of pathetic losers who make it a beacon of hope to all mankind." But this is a conservative's quibble about a liberal politician's address; it's my way of saying "I wish Barack Obama were a little less left-wing," and it doesn't detract from the speech's overall impressiveness.

I do think the problem Jeremiah Wright creates for Obama's campaign remains unresolved, to some extent, since there was nothing Obama could say in a single speech that would undo the perception created by his long affiliation with Wright and his church - the perception that he’s only confronting what’s wrong with Wright’s style of black politics because the media narrative is forcing him too, and that when the spotlight isn’t on him, he’s more interested in fitting in and feeling comfortable than in, well, speaking truth to power. But by using the Wright controversy as an opportunity to play up their candidate's strengths - as an orator, but more importantly as the rare politician who can deliver a thoughtful, nuanced speech and make you feel like he means it - the Obama campaign made some sweet-tasting lemonade out of some awfully sour lemons.

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But will it work? Obama isn't a philosopher but a politician, so in his case results matter. It doesn't surprise me that the MSM is swooning right now -- they've been doing that for the last four months. Obama's kind of oratory easily stirs the souls of the media, who want to believe in a country where words DO matter, where brilliant people can do great things by stirring the popular soul. Guys like Obama come and go, creating momentary excitement, followed by a slow death. What has made him a remarkable politician is his ability to take words and translate them into votes. His speeches connected to common people. My question is whether Wright effectively severed this connection and if Obama's speech is enough to repair the damage. I think the best he can hope for is a pause in the carnage that allows him to rebuild what he's lost. We'll know in a week or so whether it worked, and whether the speech is truly brilliant or, just words.

Ross,
It may well be that Obama would have preferred not to take on publicly one of the more toxic issues in American politics. Frankly, no one else has at this length and with so little pandering (c.f., he did pander a bit on overseas jobs) made such a complex and compelling stab at discussing such a difficult issue.

It is often that circumstances help test and make the person. I'm sure Kennedy would have preferred not to have to go deep on Catholicism in 1960 if he could have avoided it. I would bet that Lincoln would have preferred not to have to address the problems that he addressed in his second inaugural. Frankly, very few in Philadelphia in 1776 were happy that they were in a position that would require them to declare the colonies' independence.

I'm not equating the truth or eloquence or historical impact of Obama's speech with those above. I'm just stating that people are often forced (rather than volunteer) to grapple with the most difficult issues facing them and the country because of who they are, what they've done and in which moment and place in history they stand.

Obama may have preferred to fit in and feel comfortable, but he was not given that option. The speech he chose to make was not the easy political speech (denouncing Wright outright would have been easiest), and it puts him in a position of not being able to easily fit in from here on out. He was faced with the option of fitting in and playing blind and hoping it would be swept under the rug, or taking things head on. I know I respect him more for taking this on in the manner in which he did.

What will be interesting is that how he uses that perception in the future speech.
The interesting titbit in the NYT about him suddenly finishing his speeches with God Bless America is one subtle shift he may do that may help repair all that in the next few weeks.
One big speech to kill the storyline and then on the stump smaller moves to quiet the worries.
Which goes back to my first reaction about all this is that the timing was ideal for him.
Way before PA so he has time not to make it a big deal in the primaries and so early compared to the GE that has plenty of time to take note of it and uses it as an asset and learn how to fight back against it.,

I do think the problem Jeremiah Wright creates for Obama's campaign remains unresolved, to some extent, since there was nothing Obama could say in a single speech that would undo the perception created by his long affiliation with Wright and his church - the perception that he’s only confronting what’s wrong with Wright’s style of black politics because the media narrative is forcing him too, and that when the spotlight isn’t on him, he’s more interested in fitting in and feeling comfortable than in, well, speaking truth to power.

I would disagree with this statement somewhat. Obama didn't have to make this speech; in fact, it would have been easier and politically safer for him to simply let the media cycle run its course. (I've even heard that most of Obama's inner circle advised him against making this speech.) In making this speech, Obama demonstrated courage, vision, and real leadership, qualities that (in my opinion) make him eminently qualified to be commander-in-chief of the United States of America.

For the sake of our party, drop out of the race now Obama.

Mr. Obama is arrogant and lacks the judgment and character to be POTUS.

As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone's words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

Thank you Mr. Douthat for being gracious enough to recognize a tremendous speech for what it is. To differ on ideas is no crime at all, and it is this contest of ideas that is the best part of political life. We may disagree fervently, but to fall upon slander and recrimination breeds nothing at all. Even if I cannot assent to everything Senator Obama has proffered, I admire his forthrightness, his conviction, eloquence, and a decency that is perhaps all to rare in any sphere.

I think he achieved his political goals and the current financial crisis allows him to pivot towards actual issues and get back to being simply a politican and not a race man.

I think he has enough money and funds to dominate the conversation come the fall and define the races issues.

Obama has two big things going for him: a platform that does resonate with a country tired of GWB and money. I think if he picks HRC as his running mate he will sew up the democratic base fairly well and move towards winning over independents.

Kaffeen - you should switch to decaf.

To listen to or read any of Obama's many speeches, books, or online posts and think that he wants to "destroy" the white community - which includes his own family - is just plain stupid.

Tiparillo,

Obama's many speeches, books, and online posts reference and in many ocassions duplicate sermons, words, or books by the Rev. Wright.

Rev. Wright specifically endorses black theology and regularly quotes and/or references persons who are historical figures in black theology (this includes, James Cone).

Are you disagreeing that James Cone endorses the idea that God should destroy the white race?

I think you need to switch to caffeinated, you have alot of reading to catch up on.

Kaffeen,
Wake me up when you find any evidence in Obama's words and actions where he says that whites should be exterminated.

K. Thanks.

As I've said above....

Obama's many speeches, books, and online posts reference and in many ocassions duplicate sermons, words, or books by the Rev. Wright.

Rev. Wright specifically endorses black theology and regularly quotes and/or references persons who are historical figures in black theology (this includes, James Cone).

As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone's words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

Do not take my words for granted, but don't just assume that what I say is false (and btw, I am not saying destroy equates to extermination). Do your own research on black theology and then come back and have an educated discussion.

"This speech of all speeches could have done with a little more pure 'God bless America' chest-thumping, and a little less of what Andrew Ferguson has memorably described as the Obama style of 'optimistic despair,' in which 'America is a fetid sewer whose most glorious days lie just ahead, thanks to the endless ranks of pathetic losers who make it a beacon of hope to all mankind.'"

Funny, I thought it was a little too generous about "what we have already achieved."

But I guess that's why he gets the independents, huh?

It had its imperfections, yet for all that I think Charles Murray makes the crucial point: Can you think of a better speech on race in America delivered recently by any politician, black or white?

Did we need this speech? In a way, speeches are just press conferences where you pose your own questions and the only way out of it was for Obama to pose his own questions. He really didn't answer anything, he just made you think he did.

As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone's words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

Posted by kaffeen | March 18, 2008 2:32 PM

This sounds persuasive. Since Wright thinks people should read James Cone, Wright must want to destroy white people. I mean, anyone who tells me to go read Cone must think that. Now who was it that told us "go read for yourself"? Oops.

Obama showed great courage in taking this issue head on. He showed his ability and judgement to speak to the pressing issues facing our society. Racism is such a destructive force and this could have been a cornerstone to his downfall, but instead is a foundation of his character that serves him well.

I can't imagine passing us on this candidate who has the strengths and convictions to tell us, as he so often does, what we need to hear and not what we want to hear. Many wanted to hear him sever and repudiate the man, Wright, and many wanted to hear him say that Wright's message of social justice was right. Instead, he took on both those within the mainstream, i.e. white, culture and within the black community.

He practices what he preaches. His actions match his rhetoric. He isn't just all talk Hillary. You will be lucky if you could be the VP to Barack and could learn a lot about what it means to be a good human being.

No doubt he is a great public speaker. But actions speak louder than words.

The Obama Campaign continues to play the race card to their advantage and the national media continues in its role as the Obama PR Machine. Incredible.

The Obama Campaign fed the national media the Geraldine Ferraro comment she made to a small time newspaper because they wanted a way to stop Hillary's momentum--it worked in South Carolina when they attached Bill--it would work again. And the national media ate it up.

Like Karma- Obama's close relationship with a fearmongering racist Pastor came to the surface and the Obama Campaign is spinning it their way and the national media is buying it. Amazing.

It is only fair that Senators McCain and Clinton get the same amount of free airtime as was given to Senator Obama.

"Obama's many speeches, books, and online posts reference and in many ocassions duplicate sermons, words, or books by the Rev. Wright."

shorter kaffein:

"Gee, he likes and even quotes *some* of the things that Wright has said. Therefore he must agree with Wright on *everything.*"

And your proof is?...

No doubt he is a great public speaker. But actions speak louder than words.

The Obama Campaign continues to play the race card to their advantage and the national media continues in its role as the Obama PR Machine. Incredible.

The Obama Campaign fed the national media the Geraldine Ferraro comment she made to a small time newspaper because they wanted a way to stop Hillary's momentum--it worked in South Carolina when they attached Bill--it would work again. And the national media ate it up.

Like Karma- Obama's close relationship with a fear mongering racist Pastor came to the surface and the Obama Campaign is spinning it their way and the national media is buying it. Amazing.

It is only fair that Senators McCain and Clinton get the same amount of free airtime as was given to Senator Obama.

Every Sunday, across our country, church members show up on Sunday and listen to a sermon. They take with them some of what they hear and discard what they may not agree with... then continue on with their daily life. Do you really believe that all 19,000 active members of John Hagee's Cornerstone Church, don't allow their children to read Harry Potter, or are all ready to support a war with Iran, or agree with him that "Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans..."?

The uniters of the world are those people, like Barack Obama, who have a broad base of life experiences to draw upon.

"It is the duty of men to judge men only by their actions. Our faculties furnish us with no means of arriving at the motive, the character, the secret self. We call the tree good from its fruits, and the man, from his works. " - Ralph Waldo Emerson

And Kaffeen
Coon wrote is book durning the 1960's And grew up durning a time when you could be killed for looking a Christian white woman in the eyes. Your views are what’s wrong with this country. To believe something that is contradictory to the truth JUST to try to prove your point is crazy


kaffeen u really need to change to decaf.
how can u have a white mother and white famlies and at the same time believ in destroying the white race... think about it kaffeen, i know u are smarter than this.. dont be fouled by republican attacking machines uses tactics to scare people away... this is the best chace america has to reduce the racial tension and unite on a common purpose. although i dont agree with what rev wright said in his sermons but this does not in any way reflect obama's views and actions. even his senate and legislative mate, both republican and democrate said that....in a way obama has a white blood in him and i definately know he will also be offened by soemwords rev wright says... dont treat the victim like an offender......kaffen james cone or rev wright are part of the old generation that still feels the pain of racisim.....i was undecided, but now i am convinced that obam is the one can unite american on a common purpose... forget waht his pastors say and lets give him a benifit of doubt at least.

Kaffeen, as someone who has read plenty of black theology, you don't know what you are talking about. Further, James Cone is just one black theologian. Black Liberation theology began in the 19th century. Cone just placed it in the context of the black power movements in the 1960's.

There is no ONE black liberation theology. There are others.

This is more like a Swift Boat Veteran's attempt to misassociate Obama with Wright. As someone who has gone to Wright's church as a an Asian American, I never found his sermons to be anti-white. They were anti-white racism, of course, and preached a lot of self-help. Look he's in a white denomination for Jesus' sake!

Further Obama's associations with the white power structure in Chicago, the Economics and Law departments at the University of Chicago seem to demonstrate a far more independent thinker than people want to believe. If you really want to understand Obama's politics, look up the name Harold Washington.

Lots of people who already distrust Obama won't be satisfied. They never will. They are the ones who wouldn't have voted for him anyways.

Prior to the Obama speech, I read a remark comparing RevWright's speeches to a 4th-of-July speech by Frederick Douglas. Douglas was more eleoquent but the impact was amazingly similar. In Christian theology, these are 'prophetic' speeches and there is a long tradition in the African-American Church of using the prophetic voice. Understandably. As John the Baptist said to the powers-that-be in his time, 'The axe is being used on the roots of the tree.' (I paraphrase.)

Obama's speech was more like the Sermon on the Mount. Metaphorically, we are entering a new age--a new covenant.

I'm a boomer, born in deepest Dixie. What a wonderful heartening experience it was for me to have a chance to vote for Obama!!! Today's speech confirms my enthusiasm for his candidacy.

A terrific and powerful speech; perhaps one of the very very best given in the last 25 years.

P

I'm baffled because I was expecting something like an answer about, what kind of church are you attending Mr. Obama?

I'm hearing "I attend a Black church" rather than "I attend a Christian church".

Thats a legit response, but a curious choice from someone who may, at some point, want working class whites to vote for him.

I wonder if all those voicing skepticism as to Obama's real thoughts, motives, associates, etc., were equally skeptical about Governor Bush in 2000. Oh, silly me--of course they were.

the tone of this board is startling. race is a nuanced issue that is also explosive. obama did an amazing tackling it head on.

i don't understand people who keep asking "why did he stay at the church?" he addressed this face to face. it's like these people came into the speech with hearts and minds completely closed off, with no intention to listen.

hopefully the majority of americans will see the brutally honest, articulate, and sensitive speech obama gave that wasn't politically safe at all for him.

The only thing missing from his eloquently delivered speech was the phrasae "god bless america".

From reading everyones comments I have changed my mind, I don't think I know everything anymore. The best thing to do now is really educate myself on issues before going onto sites and posting comments that make me sound stupid. Sorry for being a total waste of time.

Henderstock- Give it a rest with that nonsense.

Clinton supporters do not have a monopoly on the correct path of the DNC, nor are they more informed or skeptical voters. In general, today's Obama and Clinton supporters were both equally informed and skeptical of Bush in 2000 - and most belonged to the plurality of voters that cast their lot for Gore.

It's growing tiresome listening to the
died-in-the-wool Clintonites ramble on about how Obama supporters are kool-aid drinking cultists - and only the Clinton supporters are really asking the really hard questions.

If one insisted on really making a case for which candidate maintains the most informed supporters, I would suggest one reflect on both campaigns key demographics. As you slice and dice the numbers, it is clear that Obama continually does better among those making $50k+ per year, as well as those with higher educations. This is not to say that either of these factors inherently makes a person a more informed voter. In fact, there are many wealthy and educated people who still don't make informed political decisions. But - and this is more supposition than anything - it does generally follow that these factors do increase the likelihood that they will make a more informed decision.

That being said, at the end of the day, rich or poor, black or white, some people will make honest appraisals of the candidates and engage in reasoned discourse about the issues, before casting their vote or offering their support, while others will drink the "kool-aid" and spend the rest of their time belittling the alternative.
What is abundantly clear is that there are people of BOTH types among BOTH the Clinton and Obama supporters.

One of theings wrong with white America is this reaction: "I would have liked to see him talk more than he did about what America has achieved over the past thirty years, rather than pivoting so quickly to how much remains to be done." That is what fuels zanies like Wright. White America is so busy patting itself on the back, it never looks down to see who it is stepping on.

Ted Kennedy has been known to quote Marx once in a while. Somehow I don't think Teddy has been planning on implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat. OMG HE QUOTED HIS PASTOR TEH HORROR! "The Audacity to Hope" is just too good a phrase to pass up, especially when you consider the type of campaign Obama planned on running.

Dan, why the hostility? And what do the Clintons have to do with it?

IMO, Mr. Obama's comments could have been one of the best speeches on civil rights given in this country in a very long while.

Unfortunately, context is important; and the context for this speech, of course, is damage control for any effect on Obama's campaign from the incendiary, racist, anti-American remarks made by Mr. Obama's Pastor and "spiritual adviser" Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

As such, it is the Audacity of Hypocrisy for Mr. Obama, of all people, to be lecturing the American people on race relations. Rev. Wright's remarks and Obama's speech have probably set race relations back a good 40 or 50 years.

He should be ashamed, but I fear he is much too arrogant to feel such shame.

Ross, you've already been... how shall we say... thoroughly rebutted by Greenwald on this issue. My suggestion is that you get back to educating us on your economic theory that shows how banning gay marriage will buttress middle class wages. I, for one, would love to see the math. Perhaps McArdle can help you with the comparative statics.

I'm a Republican and I think this speech just made me think about casting a vote for Obama. While some of his words allude to policy stances that I disagree with, I think overall an inspiring come together President is what we need. Certainly McCain is not the answer!

Will Obama send his daughters to DC public schools? Will he work with Fenty and Rhee to make this possible? Or will he find a convenient "lab" school.

Certainly Obama is a gifted orator. As a fellow member of the human race, I can certainly see his heart.

Unfortunately, there are just too many issues that he and I differ on. I wish this wasn't the case. I like the guy.

That speech brought tears to my eyes, too. Obama never once confronted his pastor for his outrageous remarks, but he somehow summoned the courage to humiliate his grandmother in front of a national TV audience! Now that's a profile in... something.

But Obama’s candidacy is essentially left-wing

I think it's important to note that his candidacy is a work in progress. I don't for a minute believe that Obama is a standard left-wing politician. At this point in the campaign, he has to hew left. But look at who he has as economics advisors: plenty of people from my old school-- the University of Chicago, home of fairly conservative economists.

We don't need the tropes and tripe of the left and the right. We need workable solutions grounded in economics, psychology and reality. I think the people who are in his campaign represent this new nexus. Don't worry; in the general campaign, he'll pivot to the center, and that will be the real unification our country needs.


JT,

Splendid. What will The Corner tell you to think next?

Re: Do not take my words for granted, but don't just assume that what I say is false

We might pay some attention is you backed up your extraordinary claim with extraordinary evidence, from Barak Obama's own mouth (James Cone is not running for president; neither is Rev Wright-- I do not give a hoot what either of them say). You've been asked twice, I'll make it a third time: give us specific quotes, not vague assertions. Put up or shut up.

Re: One of theings wrong with white America is this reaction: "I would have liked to see him talk more than he did about what America has achieved over the past thirty years, rather than pivoting so quickly to how much remains to be done."

Much has been accomplished, and one of the ways to rally people to a difficult task is to celebrate the tasks already achieved against great obstacles.

Area504: This conflating between Wright and Obama has to stop. They are not the same person, with one is being a little bit country, the other being a little bit rock-and-roll. The only audacity here are attempts by commentators to say that Obama's spiritual path has been solely defined by one aspect of an otherwise stedfastly Christian church. These are the people he represented in the Illinois house, and represent just one facet of his upbringing and experience.

Its like ever since Bush, people unconsciously assume that religious figures close to the candidates wield uncontrollable and mystical influences. It's simply ridiculous.

"Obama never once confronted his pastor"

How can people lie so often, so boldly, and still be so pompous?

His speech did, however, remind me of the Harrison Ford character advising the President in Clear and Present Danger: don't deny the relationship. People aren't stupid.

I'm still waiting to hear how Republicans have any ground to stand on here when their political pilgrimage of all of their national candidates, including McCain, is to kiss the boots of the some of the vilest homophobes and nutcases in the country. Obama has condemned what Wright said in far more specific and undeniable terms than you will ever hear out of the mouth of folks who have to treat people that believe Katrina was caused by too much gay as if they are serious, respectable, and important figures in the national discourse.

What about the hypocrisy in Obama calling for Imus' firing and then not firing Wright or his church? It's okay if hate is directed at whites, but not okay if directed at blacks? You can't quiet those kinds of remarks. All you can do is say enough, and remove yourself immediately from such a church and such a person. Gerldine Ferraro's remarks were nothing compared to Wright's and Obama's campaign lambasted her. The double standard bothers me greatly. A good speech doesn't show character, actions do.

Area504: This conflating between Wright and Obama has to stop. They are not the same person, with one is being a little bit country, the other being a little bit rock-and-roll.

20 years at this man's knee mean alot. We aren't confusing anything. No president should defend such a man, which is what Obama did. He justified Wright's actions and there is not justification. Who you call a mentor, who you let guide you in life, tells us alot about a man. He was a coward for 20 years by never standing up to this, he admitted he put up with these views from the crazy uncle and I would have walked out. I use the standard I use for myself for Obama. I'm not a right wing nut. I'm democrat through and through and I'm disgusted. Reverse racism should not be tolerated. It moves us backward not forward. He gave money to a hatemonger. Hillary Cliton could not have given one dollar to the white equivalent and survived. I'm sick to death of Obama getting a pass because he's black.

Danny: I imagine that you think of their relationship as Palpatine and Vader. Once the giggles pass, I would point out that you know a few examples of populist, audience-specific addresses from a religious figure, who heads a multi-racial church on Chicago's South Side and has worked for decades to improve the lives of the many needy community members there.

What justification for actions, his remaining a member of a church that was more than Wright's words? His remaining a friend to a man who was more than his vulgar opinions? If you can hold yourself to a standard that includes perfection in opinion and deed, then by all means keep throwing your stones.

And as far as Clinton goes, her campaign's subtle race-baiting has contributed to the necessity of this conversation.

I did get a chuckle over the number of flags behind Obama today. I didn't look to see if he had the flag pin on.

(Given the nuanced BS floating around this blog, I'm sure someone noticed and will point it out eventually.)

Jason: Welcome aboard!

At this point, after just listening to Obama's speech, it feels irrelevant to discuss whether it "worked" or not. This was one of the most amazing and vitally important speeches in the history of this country. History will remember this speech long after the controversy of what his pastor said in anger fades into oblivion. If Obama's only contribution to America as a result of running for President is this speech, I believe it was well worth it...I'm truly speechless...powerful words!

Good point from a reader on Andrew's blog:

"The other great thing about this speech was that it unequivocally proved that Obama--and Obama alone--is best equipped to fight back against Republican attacks. Do you think John Kerry could have pushed back with a speech against being swiftboated in 2004? Or could Hillary do the same if she was in a similar position? I don't think so."

Would someone please explain what "Obama's vision of how America ought to transcend our racial divisions is essentially left-wing" means? What would a right-wing version of transcending our racial divisions look like? I fear it would preserve the "racial divisions" part without the "transcend" part.

I came to this country many years ago, and almost immediately it was easy to see the racial tension that permeated every aspect of every day life in America. While it has gotten better in the three decades I've lived in the U.S., it's still here. It's different now, more insidious, less out in the open. It flows out of the mouths of people like O'Reilly and Limbaugh and Hannity ... and Wright - sometimes it looks like honey, but it's always poisonous. It always tastes bitter.

I don't know if Barack Obama will win the Democratic nomination. I don't even know if I will vote for him. But what I watched today went beyond "politics." In all my time here, I've never heard anyone speak publicly about this country's racial problems in the same way that so many do in private. But I did today.

I actually found myself driving in my car hours later thinking about the way I interact with my black friends. How different our worlds are, but how we never talk about it. Never talk about the things that separate us.

You may not like Obama or want to vote for him because he's a "left-wing politician." That's fine. I'm not big on Left-wing politicians either. But if you don't understand what happened today, or the barrier that has been broken, then you don't have the ears to hear, or the eyes to see, to quote someone from a long time ago.

I don't get all the excitement, on either side of the debate here. What's the deal -- are we electing a king or something?

American presidents aren't supposed to be imbued with the sort of power that this level of discussion implicitly suggests they should be imbued with.

Conservatives, especially, should be careful about all this. They're the ones who (theoretically) want limited government. You're all sitting here treating the presidency as if it really, really matters. You've bought into the left's premises about the role of the federal government.

Quit empowering the presidency. It's not supposed to be this important. In the America that was supposed to be, it wouldn't matter if dummy George Bush, or faker Barack Obama, or screwball Hillary Clinton were in the "job" for four years. They'd all be harmless no matter who they were, because the presidency wouldn't be so empowered by the electorate. Quit empowering it. It's not supposed to be this way. Christ almighty.

but he somehow summoned the courage to humiliate his grandmother in front of a national TV audience!

I'm afraid, JT, that there are many, many of us out here over the age of 40 or so who have had grandparents who would say some pretty awful things. If not grandparents, then others in the family. It's not that they were bad people, they weren't. They didn't even think the things they said were awful. They were wonderful people but they thought the way they did because...well, everybody did back then.

Acknowledging that is not throwing your grandmother under the bus. It's simply stating the truth. And everybody knows it's the truth. Well...except you, JT, because none of your relatives ever said anything racist.

Nice try, though, JT.

Ross,

Since you mention John Derbyshire, perhaps we should ask why he has never been called to account for his campaign to release murdering rapist Wayne Dumond.

John Derbyshire has blood on his hands. Anything he says should be answered with two words: Wayne Dumond.

Of course John Derbyshire is right that Obama’s vision of how America ought to transcend our racial divisions is essentially left-wing, with whites and blacks joining hands to raise taxes and government spending, while uniting against their common enemy, the wicked axis of corporations, lobbyists and special interests.

"Wicked axis"? That's "evil axis" to you, buddy.

Signed,
A liberal :)

"Of course John Derbyshire is right that Obama’s vision of how America ought to transcend our racial divisions is essentially left-wing, with whites and blacks joining hands to raise taxes and government spending."

That's one part of it, but it goes well beyond that. It involves admitting the frustrations of lower-class whites in a way that most white liberals never do. It involves being able to embrace people with some retrograde or wrongheaded views, because well, a lot of us have those views and we're redeemable anyway. If this is a "bound man", it's not showing, because he's saying things about race that few politicians are able to say.

But beyond that, Derbyshire's point and Murray's really get at the problem, don't they: there really is no realisitic conservative account of the way to transcend racial divisions. We're treated to innocent professions of being color-blind by former apologists for aparteid and segregation, or Selby Steele-style handwringing that we're bound to play the same tragedy over and over again because white guilt and black redemption-peddling are both impotent. Granted, liberal accounts of how to move forward on the matter of race are often simplistic and unsatisfactory, too. But that doesn't give the likes of Derbyshire anything to complain about. If he wants a subtle and compelling conservative case to be made, he should do it. Not that he's shown much interest.

About 50% of the conservative commentary on Obama amounts to sneering: "Well, he's not going to bring me 'together in unity' because, you know, he's left wing. Don't you know that his real plan is to elect Democrats and force new programs on us?" From both Hillary's side and the Republicans, their own cynicism is taken to be evidence of Obama's emptiness.

"John Derbyshire has blood on his hands."

The Dumond fiasco is nothing. You should check out Derbyshire's views on the war on terrorism. His job at the NRO is to make the rest of the neo-cons there look sane.

Getting yourself pastored for 20 years by a radical hater shows bad judgment. Lying about it when asked by the media shows dishonesty. Now we know the real reason why you refused to wear a flag lapel pin and why your wife has never before been proud of America. If we take you at your word, you spent 20 years in the company of a man, and never once figured out that he was a virulent racist. A president of the United states cannot afford to be that obtuse. Request for presidency denied.


--klqtzzz

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