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The Politics of Immigration

12 Mar 2008 10:46 am

Riffing on Dave Weigel’s post-mortem on the Paul campaign, in which Weigel suggests that Paul should have spent less time talking up his restrictionist position on immigration, Matt writes:

Time and again, I think you see that the issue of immigrant- and immigration-bashing just doesn't carry the political force that its advocates are constantly claiming and that all-too-many of its opponents seem to fear. I recall when it started to seem like maybe Mike Huckabee could be a serious contender and he, notwithstanding a sensible record on immigration, decided to go hire hard-core restrictionist Jim Pinkerton. Just before going to work for Huckabee, Pinkerton was going around Washington talking about how despite Iraq and the economy, immigration was going to deliver the election to the GOP. It turned out that restrictionism couldn't even win a Republican primary.

I don’t think there’s any question that many immigration restrictionists overstate the salience of the issue. (That’s what single-issue activists do!) But one reason that “restrictionism couldn’t even win a Republican primary” is that every single candidate – including John McCain, in rhetoric if not reality – ran as, well, a “secure the borders first” restrictionist. Now, some of them were more plausible in this role than others, but if you were a GOP voter following the race casually rather than obsessively, I think you’d be forgiven for assuming that all of the candidates were more or less on the same page on the issue. It’s not as if John McCain swept to an easy victory while promising to immediately revive comprehensive immigration reform; he limped and stumbled to a plurality victory while promising that he’d learned the error of his ways on the issue. This suggests that immigration may not matter to GOP primary voters as much as Jim Pinkerton thinks it does, but not that it doesn’t matter at all.

Likewise, I tend to think that immigration restrictionism could carry a great deal of “political force” in a general election – but only if it were handed with finesse and moderation, rather than the sort of “Death of the West” hysteria that seems like the default mode for too many immigration opponents. Americans want border security and they want a lower immigration rate; what they don’t want is to feel like they're being asked to vote for “Operation Wetback, Part II.” Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like there are any Republican politicians who actually believe in the moderate-restrictionist position. Instead, there are politicians who make restrictionist promises they don't intend to keep in the hopes of keeping the yahoo vote appeased, and politicians who sound like, well, yahoos themselves. Campaigning on a moderate-restrictionist position hasn’t been tried and found wanting; it’s been left more or less untried.

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Just as so many other pundits before, Ross has neglected the possibility that he might be wrong. Not being a pundit, I really have no dog in this fight, other than the obvious. The obvious being that thus far nobody has made a sound case in favor of "more people chasing fewer resources".

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, crime, pollution, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, diminishing resources, increased tax burdens, vanishing farm land and green space, the balkanization of our communities, the overall decline in quality of life, are to a lesser or greater extent, the result of unconstrained immigration. There is no issue confronting America's Citizens and tax payers that would no be measurably improved by securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws.

Indeed, no valid argument can be made in favor of "more people chasing fewer resources" being sound economic, social or cultural policy.

Agenda based analysis and focus groups aside, America's Citizens are not the mindless, partisan, lock-step morons that the media and punditry think us to be. To be blunt, Pandering and Political correctness (and not the will of the people) is the vehicle that got us here! Both parties share concerns about unconstrained immigration and the ability of our geography and our economy to sustain more people.

The egregious Senate Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation failed, not through lack of effort by this administration and Senate elitists to force it down our throats. It failed because it sparked a near revolt among (we,) the people.

Plain and simple. American's do not, and haven't had, much to choose from with regard to candidates. This is the result of our arcane primary system, the meddling of business and bureaucrats, and the self interests of partisan elites who do not share the views, values and interests of America's rank and file Citizens.

Given how often pundits and analysts have missed on recent issues and candidates, I tend to believe that on this issue, they might want to recalibrate.

Virtually every industrialized nation, even China, has taken steps to eliminate illegal immigration, and to curtail legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interests of their native populations. Its dangerously misguided to assert that America should not do likewise!

Politicians who fail to recognize this growing public sentiment run the risk of being disempowered by the publics growing anger at seeing their will usurped and their interests undermined.

I don't think the public sentiment is growing. It's easy to see why one might think that, with the attention Lou Dobbs, for instance, brings to the issue. But the fact is, the politics of this issue are what they always were. You can certainly win elections by running against immigrants in places where there aren't very many immigrants, for the same reason that you can always win elections by blaming out-of-town or out-of-state or foreign forces for a jurisdiction's problems.

And you can win AN election in a place with a lot of immigrants by running against them, complaining about rewarding "lawbreaking" and alleged costs to social services and the like.

But the problem is, as Karl Rove among others have observed, then you get the backlash, as Hispanics register to vote and apply for citizenship. Pete Wilson won one election in 1994 but he also put the Republican Party in California out to pasture for 10 years (and despite the Governator's election under unusual circumstances, the party is hardly back now).

So this is only really a winning issue in the long term in places where there aren't a lot of immigrants to begin with.

It doesn't matter enough, let's leave it at that.

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructuree...are to a lesser or greater extent, the result of unconstrained immigration.

Nonsense. We have plenty of "contstraints" on immigration, and our legal rate of immigration is about one fourth what it was circa 1900. Just try hiring a foreigner for any position in this country. It's extraordinarily difficult.

Didn't Bush campaign as a moderate-restrictionist? Twice?

The problem with moderate-restrictionism is that its not compatible with a 51% electoral strategy---you can only afford to inflame the fringes of your base if you have a buffer of support at the center.

This issue has been around long enough now to master the spin and therefore cannot be succesfully confronted.

One correct way to deal with it is to fix the immigration laws to control immigration, control the border to do the same, and actively seek national consensus on how to deal with those who are in the country illegally at present.

If it is determined that the majority want to allow illegal immigrants to stay, then they stay. If the majority wants them to be deported, they gradually get deported.

The majority has the right to be wrong. This is how democracy works.

Just my 2 cents.

Edward

PS. Dealing with this issue without true integrity for political expediency, like so many other issues, is truly shameful.

This issue has been around long enough now to master the spin and therefore cannot be succesfully confronted.

One correct way to deal with it is to fix the immigration laws to control immigration, control the border to do the same, and actively seek national consensus on how to deal with those who are in the country illegally at present.

If it is determined that the majority want to allow illegal immigrants to stay, then they stay. If the majority wants them to be deported, they gradually get deported.

The majority has the right to be wrong. This is how democracy works.

Just my 2 cents.

Edward

PS. Dealing with this issue without true integrity for political expediency, like so many other issues, is truly shameful.

The argument that the rate of immigration is a fraction of what it was in the 1900's is not really valid although the statement is true.

The cost of immigration to society was also lower in the 1900's. Changes in legislation that require translation, multicultural language, and other changes have impacted the costs of immigration.

The population of the U.S., indeed the world was much lower, more space and resources were available.

Immigration policy is meant to change to meet the needs of the host country. Beyond the needs the U.S., much of the immigration in the 1900's was related to conflict in the countries of origin. The reason that immigration policy is set to benefit the host country is because the host country has an obligation to its citizens first.

Can unrestrained immigration lead to ethnic conflict? I'd imagine the answer is yes. Not only are cultural differences an issue, but the age of immigrants tends to be lower then the general population, which can lead to unrest in itself. Where language problems exist, the opportunity for social unrest is probably higher.

I think a legalization of illegals + border security + lower legal immigration rate is a moderate compromise, unlike the past immoderate comprehensive reform bills that seriously ratcheted up legal immigration, but there are roadblocks. Of course earned legalization and legal immigration reductions both get majorities in favor in polls among the US population at large, but among the actual politicians/intelligencia in america, my impression is that the same people that call you a racist yahoo for standing against earned legalization would still call you a racist yahoo if you were for earned legalization but also advocated an immigration reduction.

I remember a year or two ago a group of protestant religious organizations in the south came up with a compromise of amnesty + ending birthright citizenship for children of future illegals, and they were called racist yahoo's by hispanic organizations just the same. I know that's a different proposal, but it still shows that advocating amnesty is no pancea for warding off charges of yahooism.

The problem with Paul is that immigration restriction was not his signature issue or the issue on which he distinguished himself. Where he was different from the other candidates was the war, and antiwar Republicans are the votes he should have gone after.

This issue may not have the prominence it deserves on the national stage, but believe me, it resonates with those of us in Florida! I may risk being accused of fear-mongering, but the truth is that my city has become overrun with illegal immigrants, and is experiencing a significant increase in violent crime as a result. These incidents have included armed kidnapping of a 13 year old boy from his bus stop, multiple gang shootings and vehicular homicides under the influence (all over the past year and a half).
I was disheartened to see it fall by the wayside in the GOP primary.
Border security is far bigger than a "stop the Mexicans" issue, too, and we ignore it at our peril. It amazes me that a problem this desperately in need of a solution has been sidelined. Wake up, America!

Another problem with implementing Ross' moderate proposal is that a lot of staunchly anti-amnesty people have used their pro-legal immigration stance as a shield against charges of bigotry. Lou Dobbs even advocates *increases* in legal immigration, and often mention's this when accused of bigotry. This is common. As much as I agree with Ross on the policy, I think we have a path dependency problem here. It may be a few years too late for Ross' idea to feasibly take hold. For Lou Dobbs and many others to fully reverse their combination of stances now would look pretty strange and they know it: Imagine La Raza's Janet Murguía asking, "But Lou, you said legal immigration was great, and that that proved you weren't a bigot. So why do you want to reduce legal immigration now?" They'll try to accept our concession on earned legalization and still do everything in their power to increase legal immigration, including *still* calling us bigots.

Ed - Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, crime, pollution, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, diminishing resources, increased tax burdens, vanishing farm land and green space, the balkanization of our communities, the overall decline in quality of life, are to a lesser or greater extent, the result of unconstrained immigration. There is no issue confronting America's Citizens and tax payers that would no be measurably improved by securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws.
Indeed, no valid argument can be made in favor of "more people chasing fewer resources" being sound economic, social or cultural policy.

Absolutely on mark. And I would add energy independence and environment to that. Anyone talking "conservation and exciting little power sources" should be laughed at. Until immigration and population growth stripped us of those resources, America was a major oil EXPORTER. Since 1973, we have gone from oil at 30% imported to 70% now despite doing major conservation and using less oil per capita than then - simply on Open Borders and the interest groups that see gain in devaluing the citizenship and wages of natives.
The environment groups followed the sleaxe of the Sierra Club to stop talking about wrecked wildlife habitats caused by sprawl and 30 million crossing our borders, in order to get half million salaries for NGO executive staffs from happy corporate and wealthy liberal donors.

Oddly enough, before oil threatens to wreck our standard of living on shortages, mass 3rd World movements to rid themselves of "wretched refuse" and dump it on America has caused the acute water and social services crises in California and the Southwest. With the Southeast now following.

America now has the population numbers China had in 1860, the numbers the Indian subcontinent had less than 100 years ago (now 1.5 billion), same with subsaharan Africa (300 million in 1930).

The Balkanization is already underway. We now have open ethnic cleansing as Hispanic and Asian immigrants, or kids of immigrants, have decided that the only way to address the black thug problem is to threaten and kill any of those blacks that do not vacate Hispanic and Asian majority "turf" from Cali to Texas. Via organized gangs. "Kill a Niggah, Serve La Raza!".

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And the demand to import cheaper, foreign labor into America remains ravenously high because the Jewish and Gentile owners of firms and services dispensed to foreigners know that they get the profits of such labor funneled to exclusive zip codes where they pay minimum taxes that avoid all social costs of importing labor. While dumb native American slobs have their wages reduced or eliminated in competition - THEN - have to pay for all the school, crime, free medical care, and welfare costs in their less exclusive zip code areas....Plus, pay for the massive upsurge in crime from unemployed, low skill blacks.

Nations where ability to restrict "race to the bottom" workers from coming in and outsourcing profitable enterprises, on the other hand, have shown major growth in wage scales and commitment by employers to fund the public school and university costs needed to train their natives for the great jobs of the 21st Century and the automation of low-skill jobs.

Ross,

Hi. My name is Dee and I host a blog: http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/
One of your viewers visited my blog and recommended I comment on your post about Immigration.

I am not in the habit of visiting Republican blogs or providing your side ideas that will help you. Even reading the feedback from your other commenters reminds me of the prissy kids in high school that I always avoided. My preference is to put a Democrat in the White House.

However, I am going to make an exception. I am not so sure one of my Democrats will win in November. In the meantime, there are changes I would like to see happen and perhaps by helping you and your side, some improvements will be made.

We need to end the fighting between ANTI and PRO. I agree with Matt. Immigrant bashing has to stop. There is an opportunity for common ground and I can help you and help your side. I have been studying this issue since the May 2006 marches. I conduct research and I do host a very popular blog that promotes civil discussion between both PRO and ANTI. I often participate on the Borjas and Robert Reich blogs. I am also a blogger in several other forums.

If I can be of any help to you, I will be happy to help.

To start with, we all support Secure Borders with Trained Border Patrol agents. Additionally, most on your side do not promote Mass Deportation of the 12M here. Additionally, there is a bill being drafted to enhance the H-2B visa program especially now before the next harvesting season begins.

There are two other areas that your side can support that will help you with Latino Voters:
1. Detention Centers: Publicly End Family Detention. Many Latino groups are protesting. There has to be another way. I think most on your side would concur or at least not be opposed to this.
2. End Racial Profiling: The Oklahoma restriction Immigration Law, House Bill 1804. Among other things, this new law makes it illegal to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Over zealous police, particularly in Tulsa, have proactively detained Hispanics and Native Americans. This portion of the law promotes racial profiling. Law suits have been filed. Latino groups are angry. If your candidate stops this aspect of the law, this will be an improvement.

If I can be of additional support to you please visit my blog or email me on dee_perezscott@yahoo.com. I will also stop by here from time to time.

"and antiwar Republicans are the votes he should have gone after."

I thought he did. I think the problem was many of the Republicans who were against the Iraq war didn't agree with him on other issues. Non-interventionism hasn't been a major part of the party since the 1950s and even in the 1950s non-interventionists failed to win the nomination. Also many of the Republicans against the war were more liberal and not interested in undoing the New Deal or Roe vs Wade. Lastly 60-70% of the Republicans have been consistently for the Iraq war.

His base was Buchananites, Rockwellites, and protest votes. In fairness to him he electrified that base pretty well and hit it for about all he could. It's just that that group was never large enough to win the nomination of any major party.

As for immigration potential problems are

A good many Hispanics and Religious conservatives are uncomfortable with immigration reduction. Americans in general give mixed impressions on the issue. So you'd have to do a balancing act between who you gain and who you alienate. This is apparently not too easy for a candidate. For a talk show host the dynamic is different because appealing and angering millions is both potentially advantageous.

Another issue is the kind of people most concerned about this issue are often in states that will go Republican anyway. Or they're the kind of people who will vote Republican anyway. Oklahoma or Arizona is probably not going to go Democrat because it's upset about McCain-Kennedy. There are swing-states like Ohio and Missouri that have immigration concerns, but on some level they might be more yielding on this issue than people are on abortion or Same-sex marriage.

A good many Hispanics and Religious conservatives are uncomfortable with immigration reduction.

I Strongly agree for hispanics, and tentatively agreed with *some* sub-sets of religious conservatives, like mormons and catholics, but not protestants.

Americans in general give mixed impressions on the issue.

Polls after polls consistently find that a large majority of americans want immigration reduced.

See this webpage for a plethora of polls showing exactly that:
http://www.npg.org/factsheets/imm_americans_spoken.html

Can you find even one poll that asks americans how much immigration they want and finds that the number in favor of the status quo + the number in favor of increased immigration makes a majority? I predict that you would find it a very hard thing to do. I found my polls in 3 seconds of googling, and could give you many more.

A message to Jasper, who says

try hiring a foreigner for any position in this country. It's extraordinarily difficult.


My wife is an immigrant, my boss is an immigrant, about half of my co-workers are immigrants. It's not hard to hire an immigrant. I think you mean to say it's not *extremely* easy to hire an immigrant. But it is easy. I'd say very easy.

Scottynx,
The problem with your poll reference is they are from a disreputable site and outdated. NPG is an extremist ANTI site and these poll question/ answers were cherrypicked from 2001 polls from many conservative sites. (e.g. Fox News)

This last Presidential election selection proves the Immigration Debate is NOT the top priority of the American voters. Otherwise, it is clear John McCain would not be the selected GOP Candidate. If Conservatives like you wish to win the next Presidential election it would be in their best interest to get off of their crusty old perches and put their ear to the ground and listen to what the American Public is saying today. With this, I do not mean your ANTI robotic followers and their mass emails and faxes to Congress.

The vast majority of the American Public does NOT want the mass deportation of 12 - 20M people. It is ludicrous to even suggest this is the truth.

Additionallly, negative population growth is an OLD argument by the ANTI side. It was promoted by Roy Beck from NumbersUSA as a leading argument, however it has not garnered significant support as he hoped. Of late, only few ANTIs promote this argument. They primarily respond with the "rule of law" argument and that darn fence!

Ross is absolutely correct when he says the Immigrant bashing (both legal and illegal) has to Stop!! We need to have civil, calm discussion in order to find a resolution we can all agree upon.

I'm not sure it's true that most people want "less immigration". But even if that were true, tighter immigration restrictions are the reason we are in this mess in the first place. The demand for foreign labor clearly is greater than the supply of working visas. Those who want even tighter restrictions will end up pushing migrant workers into taking the illegal route. This, coupled with the costs associated with getting into the country illegally (paying 1,000+ to coyotes on extremely dangerous routes through the Arizona desert) leads to a greater incentive to stay longer. In addition, many will choose to bring their families along in order to lessen the hardship of being apart for years, thereby adding even more to the swelling ranks of illegal immigrants.

All this, because there is a ridiculous stigma associated with the presence of foreign workers. All this, despite the fact that their presence clearly improves our economic prospects. 1) the workforce expands thereby leading to higher economic growth. 2) more workers will lessen the fiscal burden caused by an ever-growing number of elderly retirees (social security/medicare payments). 3) Their increased productivity and consumption will create more jobs and free up labor opportunities for native citizens.

For real proof, look at the 20th century and the impact caused by Jewish, Eastern and Southern European immigrants. It is not an exaggeration to say that the position of the US at the top of the world economy is due in no small part to the hard work of immigrant laborers.

The role of politicians should be to educate the public on the strong economic reasons for encouraging foreign work, and minimizing the hysetria that has been built up around this subject - can anyone fail to miss the vile being spewed on right wing talk radio?

That is not to say that there will not be profound social impacts caused by the presence of so many additional people. But erecting even more barriers and restrictions to the free flow of migrants would definitely make us all the more poorer. And it is contrary to free trade, something I thought was a conservative position.

I think you mean to say it's not *extremely* easy to hire an immigrant. But it is easy. I'd say very easy.

Not only did I not say that, I didn't use the word "immigrant." I used the word "foreigner." My guess is you deliberately mischaracterized my statement, but, hey, this is the internets, after all.

"There is no issue confronting America's Citizens and tax payers that would no be measurably improved by securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws."

These issues are associated with economic growth and change. Immigrants go where there are jobs. The problems are not primarily the result of immigration -- let alone illegal immigration -- but rather of rapid growth. (They're also only temporarily imbalanced; over time immigrants are overwhelmingly positive.)

The history of the U.S. is one of overpopulation, congestion, overloaded infrastructure, overcrowded schools and community services, crime, wage competition, diminishing resources, increased tax burdens, vanishing farm land and green space, the balkanization of our communities, the overall decline in quality of life - Except in the past, the places had names like the Ohio River Valley or Alabama or Dakota Territory, and the immigrants were despised persons from Italy, or Poland, or Japan.

It must have been a very pleasant life as a nice white English-American living on the banks of the Chicago River with a nice view of Lake Michigan, what with all the trees and birds and buttercups and quiet evenings before all those darned millions of immigrants arrived to spoil everything with their railyards and slaughterhouses and crime! Where was King Canute to hold back the waves?

Anyone who thinks that an anti-immigration agenda can't carry very mainstream political weight did not live in California during the 1990s. Pete Wilson almost single-handedly parlayed this issue and Prop 187 into a two term governorship.

There is a deep, deep current of anti-immigration sentiment in this country, particularly during times of economic uncertainty. I think we're all fortunate that whoever wins the presidency isn't going to try and exploit this issue (unless McCain does a serious backflip), but this stuff is boiling beneath the surface.

Jasper, I'll rephrase that for you.

About half of my co-workers are non-immigrant foreign nationals. It's rather easy to hire foreigners.

Anyone who thinks that an anti-immigration agenda can't carry very mainstream political weight did not live in California during the 1990s. Pete Wilson almost single-handedly parlayed this issue and Prop 187 into a two term governorship.

See my earlier 3/12 2:12 p.m. post. You can definitely win ONE election on this issue. But except in areas where there aren't many hispanics, you can't win more than one.

It is screamingly clear to me that many people, disproportionately those who comment on it, seem unable to distinguish between animosity about immigrants and the integrity of the law.

That is evidenced in the remarks here, and is particularly stark to me as a person who does make such a distinction and who overtly holds to a position that your words suggest are a contradiction.

Mike Huckabee, from the start to the finish of his campaign, was clear and consistent about this. He explicitly and repeatedly said that we should be humane toward immigrants and that he didn't blame and wasn't angry with immigrants who wanted to come to America to improve their lot in life, just as immigrants always have.

However, from the very start, Huckabee opposed the "comprehensive immigration" bill in the Senate early last year and advocated by both McCain and President Bush. That bill was regarded by many as an "amnesty" bill because it presented a "path to citizenship" in a single package with a "promise" to secure the borders. Huckabee opposed this because it left open the matter of the integrity of the law and the immigration process.

John McCain himself, after the bill was decisively derailed...twice, came around to confess that he understood that people did not believe the "promise," and that he understood the message that the border must be secured, first. This is no contradiction. But, many observers seem unable to comprehend anything approaching nuance on the immigration matter.

I do not oppose immigration or immigrants, perhaps particularly of our southern neighbors, whom to a large extent have a history that has to a larger extent, retained the sort of core values that founded America and made it strong. But, I didn't believe the "promise." Why should people believe a promise in a law from a government that has for so long neglected the law? I believe the legal immigration process should be expedited, and facilitated. But, it is plain insanity to fairly invite entry into a society on the basis of disrespect for the law. Potential law-breakers should be screened out as well as possible and beyond that...welcome to America!

I called them "immigrants" because most of them arrive with the aim of eventually getting permanent residence, and most do, and the fact that even a Mexican national who's caught making a drug delivery across the border is in common parlance commonly described as an "illegal immigrant."

Dee: the Immigration Debate is NOT the top priority of the American voters.

I agree with that. But all issues but one have to be other than the top priority so that is not saying much.

The vast majority of the American Public does NOT want the mass deportation of 12 - 20M people. It is ludicrous to even suggest this is the truth.

I already stated above that polls show exactly that, so yes I agree.

But the thing is, neither of those two true statements of yours are sufficient to show that most americans don't want immigration levels lowered. You calling NPG an anti site doesn't prove that they are fabricating the plethora of poll results of gallup, rasmussen, etc.

Here is a USA Today list of CNN/Gallup polls that can't be dismissed as an anti site. Scroll down to "In your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased?"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/2005-12-12-poll.htm

The last results show 51% in favor of decreasing immigration, 31% in favor of current levels, and 15% in favor of increasing it. Poll results are usually similiar to this. I won't believe otherwise without seeing the data. Even if numbers wanting decreased immigration sometimes poll slightly below 50 percent, there are still always around 3 times more people saying that than saying they want immigration increased. I'd welcome being proved wrong, though.

You can't extrapolate from the fact that americans don't want to deport illegals en masse to some mandate for ratcheting up legal immigration levels.

Dee, my last statement was a little unfair because you never claimed that, so I will amend it and say: You can't extrapolate from the fact that americans don't want to deport illegals en masse to some mandate for even keeping legal immigration levels as high as they are now.

The morality/feasibility of deporting people already here is a different issue in american's minds from the possible future immigration opportunities of people that aren't even here yet. The 2 issues aren't on the same moral plane at all.

This not an immigration issue...WE are being INVADED by millions of foreigners who are stealing our country. Anyone who doesn't see that is in a coma . We may have already lost the fight.

Several points on the above posts.

First, the polls that show US citizens opposing "massive deportation" offer 2 choices: Round 'em up and deport 'em or give them a path to citizenship. When attrition through enforcement is offered, meaning crack down on employers and dry up the jobs, that option usually wins, and, along with the "deport 'em" option, outnumbers the citizenship path. The majority of people overwhelmingly want the borders secured and the laws enforced. There is nothing wrong with this. It's good sense.

Second, the single largest source of LEGAL immigration is family reunification: Not the importation of brilliant scientists or even temporary agriculture workers but people who merit entry to the US simply by being kin to people already here. Certainly any person granted LPR or citizenship should be allowed to bring in a spouse and minor children (immediate family). But why should they be allowed to bring in aged parents, grown children, and siblings (extended family)? This causes chain migration because the siblings then can bring in their immediate families AND then the spouses bring in their extended families. Even if it could be proven that we need everyone of the 20 million illegal aliens now in the US, do we really need the millions more that will make up their extended families? Not likely. Many of the sick & aged parents that their children promised to support end up on SSI and other social services.

Third we have been down the CIR path before in 1986 when we were promised that if we'd only grant amnesty to 1.2 million illegal aliens, then we'd get enforcement that would prevent our ever having that many in the US again. Well, we got amnesty all right, with nearly 3 million granted amnesty along with their immediate families and, as time went, by their extended families. We are still waiting for the enforcement and now there are about 20+ million illegal aliens in the US. We would be utter fools to go down this path again.

Last, when we failed to get enforcement, did the federal government go back and revoke the amnesty? Certainly not. You can't repeal people once they have been granted the right to stay in the US. This is why I will never support what is generally called comprehensive immigration reform (CIR): What it means is amnesty now and enforcement down the road IF they feel like it. And it is amnesty even if the grantees pay a small fine. Enforcement can be derailed by Congress's simply not appropriating money to pay for it. And this can happen the same year we get the amnesty or a year or two later. So no amnesty - ever.

And the folks supporting CIR want amnesty now, followed by weak or non-existant enforcement along with LOTS of family reunification, including illegal aliens who flock to their relatives in the US who betray us by giving them assistance, followed by another amnesty, more promises, etc. Enforcement must come first.

Anybody not willing to surrended their country outright and forever will be called xenophobic racists by the open borders crowd. Don't lose any sleep over it - it's all PR and empty.

Mexican consulate official in California caught on tape: "This has been Mexico, and will be again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HSgbeTegko

Mexican consulate official in California caught on tape: "This has been Mexico, and will be again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HSgbeTegko

Mexican consulate official in California caught on tape: "This has been Mexico, and will be again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HSgbeTegko

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