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Bill Cosby And Cultural Decline

17 Apr 2008 03:54 pm

I highly recommend Ta-Nehisi Coates' profile of Bill Cosby in the latest Atlantic, but one passage seemed worth plucking out and arguing with. Here's Coates:

Cosby’s, and much of black America’s, conservative analysis flattens history and smooths over the wrinkles that have characterized black America since its inception ... Indeed, a century ago, the black brain trust was pushing the same rhetoric that Cosby is pushing today. It was concerned that slavery had essentially destroyed the black family and was obsessed with seemingly the same issues—crime, wanton sexuality, and general moral turpitude—that Cosby claims are recent developments ...

In particular, Cosby’s argument—that much of what haunts young black men originates in post-segregation black culture—doesn’t square with history. As early as the 1930s, sociologists were concerned that black men were falling behind black women. In his classic study, The Negro Family in the United States, published in 1939, E. Franklin Frazier argued that urbanization was undermining the ability of men to provide for their families. In 1965—at the height of the civil-rights movement—Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s milestone report, “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” picked up the same theme.

At times, Cosby seems willfully blind to the parallels between his arguments and those made in the presumably glorious past. Consider his problems with rap. How could an avowed jazz fanatic be oblivious to the similar plaints once sparked by the music of his youth? “The tired longshoreman, the porter, the housemaid and the poor elevator boy in search of recreation, seeking in jazz the tonic for weary nerves and muscles,” wrote the lay historian J. A. Rogers, “are only too apt to find the bootlegger, the gambler and the demi-monde who have come there for victims and to escape the eyes of the police.”

Beyond the apocryphal notion that black culture was once a fount of virtue, there’s still the charge that culture is indeed the problem. But to reach that conclusion, you’d have to stand on some rickety legs. The hip-hop argument, again, is particularly creaky. Ronald Ferguson, a Harvard social scientist, has highlighted that an increase in hip-hop’s popularity during the early 1990s corresponded with a declining amount of time spent reading among black kids. But gangsta rap can be correlated with other phenomena, too—many of them positive. During the 1990s, as gangsta rap exploded, teen pregnancy and the murder rate among black men declined. Should we give the blue ribbon in citizenship to Dr. Dre?

In one sense, these are all good points: The supposed golden ages of the past had problems of their own, which are connected to the problems we have today; the impact of pop cultural trends on sociological trends can be vastly overstated; gangsta rap is as much a manifestation of pre-existing pathologies as it is a cause of new ones; etc. But there's also a sense in which Coates' argument here, with its emphasis on the perpetual recurrence of cultural declinism among reformers and intellectuals, runs the risk of eliding the reality of actual-existing cultural decline. The fact that legends of a golden age can obscure a far more complicated reality doesn't change the fact that cultural indicators do vary from era to era; true, no era is Edenic, but some periods simply are more virtuous than others. The fact that prior generations of intellectuals fretted, Cosby-style, about African-American crime rates, family structure, and so on doesn't change the fact that those problems have grown much, much worse in the interim. And the fact that some moralistic crusades are foolish and misguided doesn't mean that all of them are. The anti-jazz crusaders confused the music with the venues where it played, but that doesn't mean that they were wrong to inveigh against alcoholism and gambling, and the fact that fifty years later jazz has become easy-listening music for the haute-bourgeoisie doesn't mean the same thing will happen - or should happen, more importantly - to this kind of thing.

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Oh Ross.

But it already has become haute-bourgeoisie.

And has been for some time now.

If you're going to use examples to condemn gangsta rap, you might want to pick an actual gangsta rap song. Cop Killer is a heavy metal song by a heavy metal band. The lead singer is also a rapper, but none of the songs on the Body Count album are hip hop at all.

How about the "Dead Wrong" remix - Biggie with Eminem?

the fact that fifty years later jazz has become easy-listening music for the haute-bourgeoisie doesn't mean the same thing will happen - or should happen, more importantly - to this kind of thing.

Well, I for one will be pretty goddam disappointed if it doesn't.

The first hit gangsta rap album was 1988's "Straight Outta Compton" by NWA. It helped spread the LA crack dealer's code across the country to areas where crack hadn't arrived yet.

The peak years for murders by 14-24 year old black males were 1991-1994. In contrast, murders by age 25+ black males were in a slight decline in the early 1990s. For federal data see:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/oarstab.htm

So, the chronology does not falsify the idea that the first wave of gangsta rap had a bad effect on young black males who took it seriously.

The reality that American intellectual discourse has tried to ignore is that there are distinct cultural continuities between West African forms of family organization and modern African-American tendencies -- most specifically, in exactly the area that Bill Cosby has concentrated upon over the last 25 years -- fatherhood.

Although sub-Saharan African cultures vary greatly, they tend strongly toward being "low paternal investment" societies in which biological fathers don't invest a lot of resources in their children.

Anthropologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy of UC Davis wrote in Mother Nature:

"Many fathers are only sporadically in residence with the mothers of their children; and fathers, when they are on the scene, may be unpredictable regarding which children they invest in, and how much. A substantial number of women conceive at a young age, often prior to marriage or formation of any stable relationship… relatively few fathers provide a great deal of care."

While this may sound like inner city black neighborhoods in the U.S., she's actually describing "large areas of sub-Saharan Africa."

The anthropologists Jack Goody and Ester Boserup first explored how continental differences in raising food affected family structure. Boserup noted in 1970:

"Africa is the region of female farming par excellence. In many African tribes, nearly all the tasks connected with food production continue to be left to women."

James Q. Wilson summarized their findings:

"In Europe, where animal-drawn plows were used to farm rich land, intensive agriculture made monogamy important… In these places, men did much of the agricultural work …

"In much of Africa, by contrast, farming was done by handheld hoes used to work small plots of land that were often rather infertile. Women were widely used to do the hoeing and carry in the produce.

"Many husbands found that they could use extra wives to wield even more hoes, and so marrying several women made sense economically… the conditions they describe may have had important consequences for the kinds of families that had to endure the travails of slavery in the Western Hemisphere."

This tropical farming system causes African cultures to tend toward polygamy and/or matrilineal-matrilocal family structures, where adults live with their mothers rather than with their romantic partners. These tendencies can still be seen among African-Americans.

So, understanding that, we can synthesize the dispute between Coates and Cosby:

The period from roughly 1865 to 1965 can be seen as a period in which African-American leaders made great efforts to inculcate in African-Americans new norms of behavior -- especially of family organization -- that were appropriate to a temperate-zone economy / culture like America's, where fathers were expected to bring home the bacon for the wife and kids. They made quite a lot of progress. For example, while the black illegitimacy rate in the early 1960s that alarmed Daniel Patrick Moynihan was 22%, the black legitimacy rate was 78%. (It's now about 29%).

But, when northern liberal states such as Nelson Rockefeller's New York raised welfare payments to unmarried mothers to livable amounts in the early 1960s, a sizable segment of the lower part of the African American population reverted over a decade or so to West African cultural norms. Women could now, once again, support their children without income from a husband, so men were liberated from being boring monogamous work-a-daddies. Men could now compete for multiple baby mommas by being sexy.

The black bourgeois reacted by physically separating themselves from the new chaos in the black quarters.

"the apocryphal notion that black culture was once a fount of virtue"

A 78% legitimacy rate may not be a "fount of virtue" - and iirc, Moynihan was reacting to an existing decline- but I think it would be treated as an incredible, unbelievable achievement were it to be returned to.

Shorter Steve Sailer:

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

"Many husbands found that they could use extra wives to wield even more hoes, and so marrying several women made sense economically…",

More money, more cash, more hoes? Is that what we're driving at here?

Sorry, I'm in a silly mood today.

There is, or perhaps was, some rap that was positive or insightful. My brother listened to rap in the early '90s and although most of it was dreck there was some of value. "Arrested Development" had a few songs that were quite interesting. "Public Enemy", although I didn't care for their politics, did have something to say that was at times at least interesting or relevant to life. Queen Latifah and Fresh Prince were a bit more "bourgeoise", but sometimes quite enjoyable. Both of them moved on to acting and/or straight-up pop-music though. Everlast's theme song to "Saving Grace" is kind of catchy and sort-of inspirational.

Likewise as much as I love her Billie Holiday occasionally did songs that almost glorify addiction and victimization. Ella Fitzgerald sung about being a prostitute on occasion. Drunkenness and alcoholism are seen as fun in many old jazz works. "Reefer Man" by Cab Calloway is about well reefer and other jazz songs are also about the topic.

That said there is a real difference. On the whole jazz, from a very early point, required more musical training and talent. Even many of the poor ones had parents who taught music and Fletcher Henderson went to college. (To study chemistry, but still he went) By the 1940s you had classical composers seriously experimenting with jazz influences. This isn't the same with rap, which has been around roughly as long as jazz was in the 1940s.

Those "classical composers" weren't considered classical at the time. Back then, they were just called composers. And composers of many other genres are experimenting with rap. Listen to The Art of Noise's "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" for an example.

Mr. Sailer,

How does the tropical theory of family formation account for the Dani of Papua New Guinea, who have the lowest recorded rate of sexual activity in the world?

There never was a Golden Age of morals. Virtuous deeds and virtuous people are simply more memorable than the rest, and for that reason the past, which is only a remembered past, seems better; but it wasn't. It was its own thing, and just as awful as the mess in which we now live.

"Those 'classical composers' weren't considered classical at the time." dug

TR: Umm no, I might have been unclear though.

"Jazz in general and that of Benny Goodman in particular received the plaudits last week of a classicist" New York Times 1941

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40A17F6385C16738DDDAA0994DF405B8188F1D3

Time 1941 mentions a station called a "classical station" having a jazz and blues night.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,795611,00.html

Stravinsky was termed "neo-classical" more often than classical, but was considered to do some classical works. He experimented with jazz elements before the end of World War II. There was also something called "Third Stream", although that was more in the 1950s.

Still "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" sounds interesting as a title so perhaps I was unfair. Although I was mostly trying to say that some rap is good, it's just musically inferior to jazz. It strikes me an inherently more of a songwriters form than an instrumentalist or composer's form.

On another matter it is true West Africa was more often matrifocal or matrilineal than Europe, but I don't think Sailer counts as an expert on West Africa. Likewise current family problems among African Americans do not conform to any "traditional African ways" I know of. It's not even clear how such cultural traits could reassert themselves after decades of banishment. Although Sailer might be one of those who believes blacks are genetically promiscuous and dumb.

Anyway in many to most African cultures mentioned the extended family and community had a greater role. Even if the biological father of a child was absent grandfathers or elder males were often very significant. They could sometimes even be intensely powerful figures. Few to no African societies were matriarchal.

Besides that slaves who came here were from varied regions from Senegal to Congo. The idea of African-Americans reverting to "African norms" is patently absurd on face, because there really is no such thing as "African norms." In linguistics and social norms Africa was, in most respects, more variable than Europe. Several societies in West Africa were even patrilineal and matrifocality was far from universal. (In fact matrilineality seems to be almost more common, or at least as common, among American Indian groups than Africans. Although they have many social problems the traditions concerning elder males were not damaged in the way slavery may have done.) Anyway there was no "African norm" for them to return to. The concept mostly exists in certain Western minds.

If polygamy is meant Frankish culture was also polygamous. Traces of that remained in "official mistresses" in French history. Yet I don't think anyone argues that social programs have made Cajun men revert to the "natural ways" of horny Frenchman. Although I don't know much about the illegitimacy rates of Cajuns or research of them. Maybe someone will argue that.

BTW: I do know it was only Sailer bringing it up, but for whatever reason it's possible someone could take him serious.

TR,

Saying that Rap is just musically inferior to Jazz is like saying that beer is inferior to wine or that sculpture is inferior to painting. That's fine if that's your opinion, and it's not an uncommon opinion, but it is just an opinion. I'm only saying this because you sounded as if you thought you were saying something which was objectively true. They are musical art forms with different aims.

Also, I say that as a lover of both Jazz and Rap. Depends on my mood. Some days I just have to kick back, put on some Miles Davis and coolly marvel at his sublime sound. Other days I want to hear Spank Rock and laugh while I get my body moving. Both days are good days.

I guess it depends on what one means by the word "musically." What I guess I meant is the melody, rhythm, or instrumental part of music. Even good rap is quite often derivative, intentionally so, on those things. It can still be fun, but "inferior" (in the sense I meant) I think is as close to being objectively true as any statement in art can be.

Still lyrically rap could be argued to be superior to jazz. To be honest I'm more of an instrumental person when it comes to jazz. Lyrically I could see a case that jazz tends to be sappy or trite or utterly nonsensical. Rap lyrics, at their best, can have a brutal honesty somewhat rare in jazz lyrics. In some respects rap is more like early blues in that way. Except rather than speaking from the pain of rural segregated blacks it speaks from the life of urban ones who live in an integrated age. (Well at best it does)

And even if rap is angry crud, as some argue, than what the heck was heavy metal or hard rock? This is what I found so irritating in High School. People would morally panic about rap songs that spoke about violence, even if it was to condemn it, while accepting imagery of execution and madness in hard rock. I guess the idea was "white kids with guitars" are less "threatening."

All that said I'm not much into blues, rap, or heavy metal. I can respect what they're speaking to, or trying to do, but it's not my world. I'm a relatively happy guy who doesn't like to get that upset or stressed about anything.

I'd say "shorter Steve Sailor" = " this kind of thing had no influence on black culture's conceptions of fatherhood; it was all the hot weather (and then LBJ)."

Meanwhile, "shorter Ross" = ...well, just about anything. Ross, do you realize that whole post contains only 7 sentences? You and your Harvard mouth, son. What would Mencken say?

Ross needs a word processor that'll convert semicolons into periods.

So Ross, when you write about films where violence is central like No Country for Old Men, or tv shows like the Wire, it's cool; but when it's in song, like NWA, it's not? What's the difference? Just that one is told in first-person, and you can't imagine that a singer could be telling a story just like a filmmaker?

Or is there something else going on? Given your main commentator on this thread, one has suspicions...

I think the authors miss the point of bringing up black family disintegration & its connection with slavery. The black family was considered a threat to the larger system of antebellum slavery. Large kin networks tend to rebel against exploitation & maintain the common bonds and allegiances that necessarily threaten continued oppression.

Indeed this phenomena is why the natural family itself has always been noted as early as Pericles to be a “natural bulwark against the tyranny of the State”

Yes: multiple factors contributed to black family destruction. However: the attitudinal (leftist) perception that the family itself doesn’t represent a crucial human institution deserving of unique protection against the State, underlies our intelligence’s willingness to ignore its contemporary fragmentation.

No less than Former DC Delegate to Congress, Founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus as well as Coordinator for Martin Luther King, Jr.'s march on DC- Walter Fauntroy Incorporated the importance of “the victim(ology) of deliberate family destruction” in his plea for the preservation of marriage against its contemporary foe’s.


"Marriage is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue; it is a universal human institution, guaranteeing children fathers, and pointing men and women toward a special kind of socially as well as personally fruitful sexual relationship. Gay marriage is the final step down a long road America has already traveled toward deinstitutionalizing, denuding and privatizing marriage. It would set in legal stone some of the most destructive ideas of the sexual revolution: There are no differences between men and women that matter, marriage has nothing to do with procreation, children do not really need mothers and fathers, the diverse family forms adults choose are all equally good for children. What happens in my heart is that I know the difference. Don't confuse my people, who have been the victims of deliberate family destruction, by giving them another definition of marriage."

Be is Bill Cosby, Martin Luther King, or Walter Fauntroy black Americans uniquely understand that history has required direct attacks on the importance of the family in order to sustain the larger ideological goals of past or present regimes (be they antebellum economic systems or present notion of “gender equality”)

I'd say "shorter Steve Sailor" = "[the after-effects of slavery]had no influence on black culture's conceptions of fatherhood; it was all the hot weather (and then LBJ)."

But at one point in the period after slavery ended, black illegitimacy was around 22%. Can the tripling (and more) of black illegitimacy between 1960 and 1995 (approximately) really be blamed on an institution that was abolished in 1865?

Moreover, if racism and the after-effects of slavery are the cause of black illegitimacy, why did it rise during a perido when civil rights legislation was sweeping the country?

Re: In Europe, where animal-drawn plows were used to farm rich land, intensive agriculture made monogamy important

European monogamy, already well established when Homer was singing, antedates "animal-drawn plows" by a considerable length of time. Also, Europe long had a shortage of arable land because its heavier soils coul notbe easily farmed. Note that European civilization first blossomed on the thin soils of the Mediteranean countries.

Re: In these places, men did much of the agricultural work

The heavier work, yes. That tends to be true everywhere because men have (on the average) more upper body strength. However check out medieval art work showing scenes from daily rural life (e.g., the Duc de Berry's famous Book of Hours). There's plenty of peasant women out there in those fields too. Also, in more remote times agriculture was associated with goddesses not gods, indicating that it was seen as a feminine activity.

Re: Can the tripling (and more) of black illegitimacy between 1960 and 1995 (approximately) really be blamed on an institution that was abolished in 1865?

How about the near-extinction of well-paying jobs for lesser skilled men? You're not going to have a lot of breadwinners if the work available to them does not pay a fairly secure breadwinners' wage.

Lots of "the fact that"s in this post -- do whippersnappers still read Strunk & White anymore?

I felt bad for Ta-Nahesi after reading his article in the hard copy of The Atlantic, particularly the part where he described participating in The Million Man March. Forty years ago, blacks could look at the misfortune in their communities and plausibly blame most of it on racism; after Civil Rights and at least three decades of institutional discrimination in favor of blacks, they can no longer plausibly make these claims -- and yet Ta-Nahesi still does. The saddest thing about the Million Man March is that he and his fellow marchers really had nothing or no one to protest: black men were killing each other over crack in black neighborhoods, and a bunch of black men were marching to demonstrate... what, exactly? Instead of an inspiring speech from MLK, they got a nonsensical one from Louis Farrakhan.

For Ta-Nehesi, clinging to the idea that America is rife with institutionalized racism against blacks is more comforting than the banal reality, that most of the black community's failures are self-caused: the effects of poor decision-making and poor impulse-control compounded. This runs the spectrum from the personal (illegitimacy, half-assed parenting) to the political (electing corrupt hacks like Kwame Kilpatrick and Sharpe James to run their cities).

No discussion on such topics is complete without mentioning the role of the war on drugs. Once that war started and made a huge black market for illegal drugs, of course cities would be the hub for the underground drug trade because they are better connected to the world economy (after all, you need connections to places like Afghanistan, Burma and Colombia to get drugs that aren't weed and crystal meth). African-Americans disproportionately live in cities and in the poor areas of cities, so of course it was black communities that would be more directly affected by the violence of a black market. When you have a violent neighborhood, no one is willing to bring in money to invest and make jobs. In fact, the people with money move out, such as during the White Flight. You also had switches to things like police foot patrols to car patrols, etc. A lack of economic opportunities puts tremendous strain on families (isn't one of the top causes of divorce in this country monetary difficulties?).

"I think the authors miss the point of bringing up black family disintegration & its connection with slavery. The black family was considered a threat to the larger system of antebellum slavery. Large kin networks tend to rebel against exploitation & maintain the common bonds and allegiances that necessarily threaten continued oppression."

Very true. In fact, historians who have examined the diaries of the wives of slave owners note how bitter they were at their own husbands for not respecting them the same way black men did their wives.

"Forty years ago, blacks could look at the misfortune in their communities and plausibly blame most of it on racism; after Civil Rights and at least three decades of institutional discrimination in favor of blacks, they can no longer plausibly make these claims -- and yet Ta-Nahesi still does. The saddest thing about the Million Man March is that he and his fellow marchers really had nothing or no one to protest: black men were killing each other over crack in black neighborhoods, and a bunch of black men were marching to demonstrate... what, exactly? Instead of an inspiring speech from MLK, they got a nonsensical one from Louis Farrakhan."

Just because legal segregation has gone away doesn't mean that institutional and social segregation haven't remained huge problems in our society. Consider all of the studies showing how having a stereotypically black name like Jamal makes one less likely to get a job over an equally qualified white person. These studies tend to conclude that having a black name is equal in employment prospects to being white and having a convinction.

Speaking as someone who throughout the year runs the gamut from looking like a light-skinned black guy to a dark Indian guy through the year, I get treated a lot better by white people when they think I'm Mediterranean than when they think I'm Indian and get better treated when they think I'm Indian than when they think I'm black.

Also Ross, the fact that you're still bitching about a heavy metal song from the early 1990's that expressed genuine and deserved anger at an LAPD that was rather brutal to African-Americans show how much of an old fogey you are at you're age. Hell, isn't Ice-T on one of the many Law & Order shows?

"Consider all of the studies showing how having a stereotypically black name like Jamal makes one less likely to get a job over an equally qualified white person."

Ta-Nahesi mentioned this in his article, but it's a thin reed to cling to, in my view. Prejudices against "stereotypically black" names are rational, to an extent -- not because they signify that the applicant is black, but because they suggest that the applicant may have grown up in the dysfunctional ghetto black culture. A country as racist as Ta-Nahesi imagines America to be wouldn't have a black man like Kenneth Chenault running a Dow component company. It also wouldn't have had a black men as the CEOs of Merrill Lynch and AOL Time Warner, it wouldn't have a black woman as Secretary of State, and it wouldn't have another black woman as the wealthiest and most popular woman on TV.

"because they suggest that the applicant may have grown up in the dysfunctional ghetto black culture"

TR: Umm why? Malcolm-Jamal Warner was on "The Cosby Show." A middle-class black girl could've had a crush on "Theo" and later decide to name her kid "Jamal." (This is not that implausible, kids are named for actors or actresses all the time) For that matter a middle-class white girl could've grown up watching the Cosby Show and done the same. My sister seriously considered naming a daughter "Shanequa." Meanwhile the drug-lord dramatized in "American Gangster" had the rather average name "Frank Lucas." Other African-American gangsters had first names as exotic as the following: "Larry", "Kenneth", "Jeff", "Wallace", "Felix", "Michael", "Nicky", "Guy", and "Howard."

I'm skeptical name would show much of anything.

"Ta-Nahesi mentioned this in his article, but it's a thin reed to cling to, in my view. Prejudices against "stereotypically black" names are rational, to an extent -- not because they signify that the applicant is black, but because they suggest that the applicant may have grown up in the dysfunctional ghetto black culture. A country as racist as Ta-Nahesi imagines America to be wouldn't have a black man like Kenneth Chenault running a Dow component company. It also wouldn't have had a black men as the CEOs of Merrill Lynch and AOL Time Warner, it wouldn't have a black woman as Secretary of State, and it wouldn't have another black woman as the wealthiest and most popular woman on TV.

Posted by Fred | April 19, 2008 6:53 PM"

What if the name came from an actual African language because their parents were African immigrants, who tend to do better on average than the average American? Southerners, including white Southerners, are more likely to grow up in dysfunctional households, commit crimes, etc. than the average American. Should we discriminate against people if we suspect they are from the South? I have an Irish-sounding name and grew up in Boston. Should I not get a job on the chance I'm an alcoholic? Pre-judging, which you advocate, is at the core of prejudice, so congratulations, you just admitted to being a bigot.

I just want to warn on generalizations, particularly about so called Sub-Saharan Africa:

1. Jan Vansina, an authority on the Kuba of Congo, and indeed on the Congo-Angola region, noted in "The Children of Woot" the high production of their agriculture, reported to be near par in yields (in corn if memory serves)with that of the Southern United states. Agriculture was conducted by adult men, women, children and slaves and was also highly innovative. The society was matrilineal by the 19th century but several centuries earlier had been patrilineal.

2. In "The Ruined Cities of Mashonaland," (1890s) Theodore Bent, despite his politically incorrect language, noted the Karanga of Chivi in Southern Mashonaland (Zimbabwe) were industrious and that both sexes shared agricultural duties. He contrasted this with other "savages" (Zulu, Xhosa) in South Africa proper whom he said left agriclutural chores to women. Nearly all African cultures in Southern Africa below the Zambezi are patrilineal.

Fatuous comparisons between African cultural traits (that supposedly undermine) and Afro American child-rearing habits won't do.

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