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The Young Right

10 Apr 2008 01:51 pm

There are interesting and inter-related discussions floating around about whether young conservative writers are more collegial than their elders, whether they're gloomier than their elders, and whether they aren't going to grad school as often as they should. Let me raise another related question: Are young conservative writers more heterodox than their older peers? At least superficially, the answer seems like yes: If you compare the right-wing twentysomethings flitting around Washington D.C. to their elders in the world of magazines and think tanks, the younger set seems to include many fewer writers whose ideas fit neatly into the "movement-conservative" box. I have a tough time thinking of more than a couple twentysomething conservatives whose writings I encounter regularly, in fact, who have precisely the "check-all-the-boxes" politics that's fairly commonplace in the movement establishment - who are pro-war and pro-life and Norquistian on size-of-government issues and so on and so forth. Instead, you've got paleocons and Paulites, Christian libertarians and uber-neocons, plus a host of unclassifiable types. (I suppose I fall into the "unclassifiable" camp, though perhaps for no more admirable reason than my inability to make up my mind about various issues.)

What does all this betoken for the future of conservatism? Possibly nothing. Young writers looking to distinguish themselves have an incentive to be heterodox, and they also have a tendency to cluster around smaller, more niche-ish outfits - in this case, places like Reason and The American Conservative, the Spectator's blog and the good old American Scene - because small, niche-ish and heterodox outfits are, well, more likely to publish young writers. Further, as Poulos notes, many of the people who make up today's movement establishment - the talk-radio talking heads, especially - didn't come up through the Young Washington world, and it's entirely possible that tomorrow's movement-conservative establishment will be dominated, not by today's inside-the-Beltway bloggers and associate editors and research fellows, but by kids from flyover country who didn't come to Washington, but stayed home and developed the next hit talk-radio show (or website) instead, and whose views are more or less indistinguishable from the views of Hannity and Limbaugh.

Moreover, part of what creates the air of heterodoxy among the young turks is the fact that many of the young conservative writers I'm thinking of (again, myself included) are still experimenting with a wide range of topics, and haven't settled into the kind of groove (or rut) that most successful pundits and public intellectuals eventually find themselves slipping into. In this sense, at least some of the ideological conformity that you see among old older right-wingers on, say, foreign policy is really just ideological conformity among those older right-wingers who dilate regularly about foreign policy. There are more than a few writers for the Weekly Standard who opposed the war in Iraq, for instance; you just don't know it because foreign affairs isn't in their chosen wheelhouse. And that's to say nothing of those writers, left and right, who outsource their views on various topics as they grow older to trusted friends and allies who know more about the subject than they do - which isn't necessarily a bad habit in all cases, but does tend to diminish the diversity of opinion available on the topic in question.

Having thrown out all of these caveats, though, I'll conclude by expressing cautious hope that today's heterodoxy among young right-wingers does mean something - and that it bodes well for the future of a political persuasion that currently seems intellectually and politically moribund.

Comments (29)

It must make honest conservatives (there are a few, just a few) throw up in their mouths when they realize that Dumbya & the Bushpigs had (essentially) complete control of the government from 2001 through the end of 2006 and accomplished exactly nothing of value. Unless, of course, you consider being chronic screw-ups and malignant neo-fascist thugs some sort of accomplishment, which the Hannitys and Limbaughs seem to.

I'd almost expect a serious conservative third party movement to start as a result, but that's probably unlikely since most conservatives - even the honest ones - have natural lickspittle tendencies as long as their master-suitors wave the flag often enough and promise the continuation of empire.

My concern is that the heterodoxy that you describe is a product of the fetish of counter-intuitivity that has become so widespread these days, the Slate.com mode where any idea's value is inversely proportional to its proximity to the conventional wisdom. I'm so tired of the preening "iconoclasm" that insists that any idea has merit only insofar as it is notably divergent from established opinion. No one can serve two masters-- you can't privilege honesty, clarity or the truth when you're constantly chasing the provocative. It's really wearying out there, now, because Slate and its ilk have created such an overwhelming tendency to pursue the different over the useful.

Affinity for counter-intuitive arguments or widespread distaste for movement conservatism? I'm more inclined towards the latter, especially given the character of the publications Mr. Douthat lists.

The American Scene, The American Conservative, Reason, and the Spectator's blog all share varying degrees of disdain for the current administration. (the Spectator is probably the least unorthodox publication in this respect, but I think it shows signs of moving in that direction.) Given the widespread nature of anti-Bush sentiment, I'm not sure that this divergence is particularly counter-intuitive

I actually think it's an unhealthy sign.

When you look closely, it tends to be economists that are libertarian, historians that are paleo, and those with a sociological bent that are more neo-conservative (in the original sense of the word).

What I fear is actually happening is that the conservative movement is suffering from an unfortunate degree of balkanization where many neo-cons haven't heard of Ronald Coase, and where many libertarians wouldn't have touched a word of James Q. Wilson.

Of course, there's also the fact that necessity forces everyone to choose a faction and order priorities to a certain degree (you can't be both an extreme anti-statist and drug warrior at the same time) -- but the increase in factionalism certainly isn't an unadulterated good...

Perhaps this is a little off topic (this is all quite general):

1. Why doesn’t anyone on the right ever challenge people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, and all the other idiots on am radio? You never see a discussion from people like Ross as to why these people carry so much weight within conservatism and with individual conservatives. Limbaugh and Hannity say some pretty stupid and unconservative things on their shows, but you will never see a conservative challenge these people on their conservative credentials? However, the right seems perfectly capable of studying and commenting on every single, solitary statement from left wing media.

2. Someone should address the fact that most movement conservative intellectuals will never admit that conservatism has the potential for failure, or that certain conservative ideas are wrong. Conservatives have been in the White House longer than Democrats, and in recent years conservatives have had control over the legislative agenda. And yet, no conservative entertains the notion that the problems facing this country are caused by a failure of conservatism, and that maybe conservatives need to rethink their ideas on the economy and foreign policy. Bush cut taxes like a madman, but we have not seen the economic stability from those cuts; but you will not see a movement conservative, pause, and entertain that supply-side, cut and spend economics is counter productive for the country. Conservatives love to brag about looking back and studying their history, but they never really challenge any of it.

3. This ties into point 2 but I will use an example. I think it is safe to say that the events over last seven years have fundamentally thrown into question many conservative beliefs. Iraq, Katrina, Economy, Schivo(sp?), and Social Security. But a conservative like Jonah Goldberg, who works at the most recognized conservative publication in the nation, feels that the most pressing issue of the day is the left’s link to fascism? Am I missing something here? He came up with this idea four years ago, when conservatives were running all over the Democrats, the Democrats had no real power at their disposal. I think had Freud lived to see today he would say that the Conservative Movement is best representation of repression. You can almost sense in Goldberg’s columns and book and desire to elude an in depth conversation about conservatism. I have heard him argue recently that “Well, you know, W. Bush, was really a liberal” and that “You know Nixon was basically a liberal.” Once again, these were conservative president who enjoyed widespread conservative support, and once their administrations are failures, well then NR needs to brand them as liberals, because they need to escape any investigation of whether or not conservatism has failed

MLP wonders: "Why doesn’t anyone on the right ever challenge people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, and all the other idiots on am radio? You never see a discussion from people like Ross as to why these people carry so much weight within conservatism and with individual conservatives. Limbaugh and Hannity say some pretty stupid and unconservative things on their shows, but you will never see a conservative challenge these people on their conservative credentials?"

Conservatives need the votes of idiots in order to stay in power, and Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, and all the rest are moron magnets. Conservatives don't want to bite the hands that feed them. And it's not like Jonah Goldberg is any better than the Lords of Loud, anyway.

"Once again, these were conservative president who enjoyed widespread conservative support, and once their administrations are failures, well then NR needs to brand them as liberals, because they need to escape any investigation of whether or not conservatism has failed."

And Daddy Bush, too. But they continue to insist that Saint Reagan - who made deficit spending a conservative virtue and was quite the moron magnet himself - was perfect.

This is a product of a much wider cultural downturn. What afflicts the right also afflicts others.

It is true that there are few conservative intellectuals worth reading.

It is equally true that there a almost no liberal intellectuals worth reading.

Liberalism is dead. I mean "dead" at the highest level of intellectual promise. Ever since the demise of Marx there has been no serious contender for a meaningful "secular theory." There is merely the banality of John Rawls and his ilk. Spiritually, morally, culturally bankrupt. The death rattle of liberalism.

I think Tim just proved my point. In a forum discussing conservative failures and possible missteps, you cannot go long without the familiar refrain "Spiritually, morally, culturally bankrupt. The death rattle of liberalism." I really don't understand this impulse for conservatives to always discuss liberalism in lieu of discussing themselves. Especially when they are in power.

MLP again: "I think Tim just proved my point. In a forum discussing conservative failures and possible missteps, you cannot go long without the familiar refrain "Spiritually, morally, culturally bankrupt. The death rattle of liberalism." I really don't understand this impulse for conservatives to always discuss liberalism in lieu of discussing themselves."

They have no need to discuss themselves, for the most part. They know there's nothing wrong with their beliefs because Jesus shares them. They're on a mission from god - the Red State Brothers!

Follow the money.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

It's not hard to be your own man when when you are twenty-something and single. But, when you have a wife and kids, risking your career on a position unpopular with the dispensers of money is a lot harder to do.

For example, I'm old enough to remember a certain 20-something independent-minded conservative writer of independent views: Joe Sobran. The destruction of his career after two decades at National Review by those with links to vast funding, and Sobran's subsequent reduction to the edge of penury is a sobering lesson that no doubt many not-so-young conservatives have found educational in the extreme.

For example, I'm old enough to remember a certain 20-something independent-minded conservative writer of independent views: Joe Sobran. The destruction of his career after two decades at National Review by those with links to vast funding, and Sobran's subsequent reduction to the edge of penury is a sobering lesson that no doubt many not-so-young conservatives have found educational in the extreme.

Mr. Sailer, not all sorts of diversity are enriching.

William F. Buckley's explanation of why Joseph Sobran was dismissed from National Review can be found at

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n24_v43/ai_11810753/print.


There is nothing about grant money therein but a great deal about a man in early middle age making himself gratuitously obnoxious and pig-headedly rejecting the counsels of people who knew more and understood more. My regrets concerning Mr. Sobran's financial problems, but if your wares include public letters of reference for the director of the "Institute" for "Historical" Review (and his do), you are going to find that they do not sell as well as they used to in the market for discourse. National Review had and has an educational mission and a reputation to protect and acted accordingly, as it had done in the past with regard to The American Mercury and the John Birch Society.

The problem isn't that young conservatives are all at odds with each other and in their own little "niches", the problem is that most young conservatives are at odds with the present state of American conservatism. There certainly are a great many perspectives on a variety of issues, but most of us are willing to overlook those issues because the trend among young conservatives is more and more towards libertarianism. For example, there are a wide range of opinions on abortion but even some of the most staunchly pro-life young conservatives agree that the issue is best handled outside of governmental legislation. The real problem is that the conservative establishment doesn't recognize or acknowledge this libertarian bent and drives out a lot of young people who are sick of the Bush Republicans' big government activism in a host of issues that young conservatives believe individuals have the right to make decisions about themselves. An even better example than the abortion issue is the issue of gay rights. People of my age (I'm twenty) have grown up entirely exposed to homosexuality and almost no one I know, no matter how morally repugnant or personally abhorrent they may find homosexuality to be, appreciates or understands older conservatives' incredibly inhumane and bigoted opposition to the rights of gays to serve in the military or to raise children. Young conservatives want political leaders who will let them keep their money and live their lives in peace.

Steve Sailer writes: "It's not hard to be your own man when when you are twenty-something and single. But, when you have a wife and kids, risking your career on a position unpopular with the dispensers of money is a lot harder to do."

So after his own flame-out at Buckley Swimpartners, Steve Sailer looked around for a secure niche for himself and decided that being a professional race-baiting loss-leader for the Repiglican Party would be the way to go. And he's been doing his best to abuse black folks ever since in service of his masters.

As a bonus, he enjoys it, and he gets daily e-mails from George Allen filled with atta-boys. Oh, and George Allen let him grope his noose once. That was so very special!

Sorry, my mistake! William F. Buckley's explanation for why William F. Buckley fired Joe Sobran should be taken as the final word of disinterested authority on the subject.

Once again, follow the money.

Although, Steve, you have to admit that Sobran has some rather unsavory connections (The Institute for Historical Review being one of them; as I recall he also links on his website to the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust).

The real problem is that the conservative establishment doesn't recognize or acknowledge this libertarian bent and drives out a lot of young people who are sick of the Bush Republicans' big government activism in a host of issues that young conservatives believe individuals have the right to make decisions about themselves. An even better example than the abortion issue is the issue of gay rights. People of my age (I'm twenty) have grown up entirely exposed to homosexuality and almost no one I know, no matter how morally repugnant or personally abhorrent they may find homosexuality to be, appreciates or understands older conservatives' incredibly inhumane and bigoted opposition to the rights of gays to serve in the military or to raise children.

Of course, if these young conservatives are truly libertarian, then they are opposed to any "gay rights" that involve imposing non-discrimination laws on private entities.

Actually, when it comes to young conservatives of the sort that write in The American Conservative or niches like that, I'm not certain that your point really holds true.

Amos'n'MartinLutherKingJr. (hey, it's no more offensive than his real pen name) writes:

So after his own flame-out at Buckley Swimpartners, Steve Sailer looked around for a secure niche for himself and decided that being a professional race-baiting loss-leader for the Repiglican Party would be the way to go. And he's been doing his best to abuse black folks ever since in service of his masters.

I'm not sure why Sailer would be seen as doing work for the Republicans (he seems pretty disgusted with the current direction of the party), or why Amos seems to think that he is part of the establishment or a "respectable" conservative. In any case, I can't help but notice a lot of anger at Sailer for bringing up issues that challenges Amos's worldview, but very little in the way of actually rebutting any of his claims.

"but by kids from flyover country who didn't come to Washington, but stayed home and developed the next hit talk-radio show (or website) instead, and whose views are more or less indistinguishable from the views of Hannity and Limbaugh.

As a 30-something writer and journalist in "flyover country" I would surely hope that the views of the next "hit talk show" are distinguishable from Limbaugh and Hannity otherwise we will have failed. Messers Limbaugh and Hannity are as tied-up in their microphone wires into the current bankrupt state of the "conservative movement" as the neoconservatives and every Beltway Republican flunkie and lobbyist like Gover Norquist.

Where do you think these talk show hosts get their material from? From where do their views develop? To whom do they turn to to shape their opinions and see what are the hot topics among those in the chattering classes (at least those who identify themselves as conservatives?) They certainly don't turn to the Rockford Institute or Von Mieses Institute that's for sure. And the chattering classes, politicians and policy wonks view the talk shows as a way of getting their message out to masses across the country. It's one big transmission belt.

If we are decrying a lack of intellectualism amongst those who identify themselves as conservatives (indeed there's an anti-intellectual posture against so-called "elites") it's because we've allowed non-intellectuals to determine the shape of conservative policies and the discourse of conservative rhetoric.

Talk show hosts are first and foremeost entertainers. Limbaugh himself said it best "My job is to gather and hold the biggest radio audience possible." Ergo, he and those like him blow with the wind. They did not come into their jobs identifying themselves as "neocons" or "paleocons" because they do not understand such distinctions nor do they care. They see what is popular and what is not with their listeners and they go with it. Their shows are not about intellectual discourse, they are about telling you what's what. And one way to help build such a big audience is to show said listeners that you're in with the in-crowd to make them feel important too. That's why they sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom, they why they take Congressional junkets. They were co-opted a long time ago and rather like it because when you're a nobody who's become a somebody without having a Ph.D or have to run for office, it's quite exhillerating. And now that their contracts are tied up with big syndicates like Clear Channel, which have important business to transact in the Beltway, they're not going to make waves or challenge the system either. One radio host who did, Charles Goyette of Phoenix, was fired from his previous employer for his trouble.

One thing that's clear about conservative "movement" as Austin Bramwell pointed out, is that it's very much a top-down operation. It's a very small group of people living on the coasts (Or the Orange Line Mafia for those in D.C.) who determine what the talk-show hosts and establishment bloggers are supposed to think (Call it the "Inner Party" with all due respect to Orwell)or what is respectable opinion. If said group is ever throughly discredited and seen by the masses for what they truly are, the very elites they rail against who emerged from the failed war they started without so much as a scratch, then perhaps the rest of the apparatus will look away from the coasts to very heartland where they reside and get a second opinion.

Once again, follow the money.

Follow the dictates of charity and common sense. Mr. Sobran's views were wrong, threw chaff in the way of National Review's true pedagogy, and drew heat that his editor did not care to have to continue answer with apologias. Mr. Sobran is a very able stylist, but his specific expertise is in literary studies and he has a chronic problem apprehending social conflict that could not be well represented in imaginitive literature. Political tendencies and publications have their bondaries; if they did not, they would not constitute a collective endeavour toward some common end. I would not be motivated to 'follow the money' because had I been in Mr. Buckley's position, I would have handed Mr. Sobran a pink slip with much less antecedent discussion. Now why don't you all produce a piece of correspondence from someone telling WFB to can Joseph Sobran; and if you cannot, why keep talking?

Hannity, Limbaugh, Ailes, et al are all relevant to 20th century political minds - and there are plenty of them.
But let's look at what's happening here, in the 21st century.
Newly released data: By all major indices Obama is crushing Clinton online...everywhere. And McCain is non-existent.
http://www.adotas.com/2008/04/obama-walloping-clinton-online/
Limbaugh is more like Joe Pine or Morton Downey, a bully that can hold an audience. Interesting, but so what? And why the GOP has made these white men with weak faces their leaders, go figure.

It's a generational thing. Thirty years after Reagan is a lot like thirty years after FDR. By the late '60s the old Rooseveltian rhetoric no longer fit people's concerns. And so it is with Reaganism a generation after its high point. Conservatives aren't going to regroup until liberals have had time in power. They'll find out what they're for by realizing what they're against.

Of course younger people are influenced by a more ironical popular culture, but more important perhaps, is that a lot of them don't feel part of Bush's or contemporary conservatism's "target audience." If you don't live in a deep red state, it's easy to be ironical or cynical about the President and his most convinced supporters, because they aren't speaking to you or for you, especially if you're under thirty.

Here's the Wikipedia account, which rightfully emphasizes Norman Podhoretz's role:

"Sobran was fired from National Review in 1993 and was accused of being an anti-Semite (most notably by Jewish neoconservative writer Norman Podhoretz). Podhoretz wrote that "Joe Sobran's columns ... [are] anti-Semitic in themselves, and not merely 'contextually.'" Buckley disagreed with Podhoretz's accusation, noting that he "deemed Joe Sobran's six columns contextually anti-Semitic. By this I mean that if he had been talking, let us say, about the lobbying interests of the Arabs or of the Chinese, he would not have raised eyebrows as an anti-Arab or an anti-Chinese."[2]

"One such comment was that the New York Times "really ought to change its name to Holocaust Update."[3] Sobran claimed that founder William F. Buckley told him to "stop antagonizing the Zionist crowd", and Buckley accused him of libel and moral incapacitation.[4] Sobran also complained of "a more or less official national obsession with a tiny, faraway socialist ethnocracy."[5]"

Mr. Sailer,

The implication of your antecedent remark was that Wm. F. Buckley dismissed Joseph Sobran because threatened by Jewish patrons of causes he favored. The alternative explanations are species of the proposition that he did so out of embarrassment.

1. Mr. Buckley had ample reason to be embarrassed by Mr. Sobran's public remarks;

2. You have presented no reason to believe that Laurence Tisch or anyone with the bucks was squeezing Mr. Buckley's left testicle. That Norman Podhoretz complained is immaterial. Mr. Podhoretz was a salaried employee of the American Jewish Committee; no one has much reason to believe that his balance sheet looked any better than one might expect after 30-odd years on the staff of a non-commercial employer. He complains about lots of people; strange as it may seem, Gore Vidal is still working.

I don't know what this says about the difference between conservatives and liberals, but Matt Yglesias forgot to remove and italics tag a few days, and the first dozen or more comments all jumped on him for it. Here, on the other hand, no one seems to care.

Ergo, I (although not liberal) will be the first: Please fix it, Ross!

I meant "a few days ago!"

I'd put hard money on Matt Margolis, of Blogsforvictory.com (formerly Blogsforbush.com), becoming a conservative titan over the next decade.

Buckley was absolutely right that, had Mr. Sobran been complaining about the Chinese lobby or Saudi Arabian lobby, there would be no special complaints at all. Accusations of anti-Semitism are Israeli's force-field; they keep Israel protected from criticism in the American discourse. Most commentators are simply too afraid of the accusation to engage in discussion of Israel at all.

Most commentators are simply too afraid of the accusation to engage in discussion of Israel at all.

Care to name names, Freddie? Are Nicholas von Hoffman, Charles Glass, the late George Ball, the Middle Eastern Studies Association, a fat chunk of the faculty of Columbia University, the editorial staff of Reuters, Paul Findley, &c &c. examples of Dutch courage in the public square or merely exponents of a minority view?


That aside, I will suggest (if you have not done so) that you go to the article I linked to above and read it through. However, just scrolling down to the paragraphs on Mr. Sobran's commentaries on a publication called "Instauration" will do. Mr. Sobran's testimonial to Mark Weber may still be up somewhere on the internet. Mr. Sobran's protestations that he does not understand what is meant by the term 'anti-semitism' are likely still in and amongst the columns hosted by the Griffin Internet Syndicate. Mr. Sobran is as capable with language as anyone who writes topical commentary. Most of his columns are insightful, pointing out things you would not have thought of and from angles that would not have occurred to you; some are stupid (the ones promoting anarchism); some are vicious. Some of his commentary on the subject consists, IMO, of points well taken (e.g. his critique of Robert Wistrich's writing). Then there is this other stuff.

Sobran is an odious character. That doesn't change the fact that the establishment media and commentariat is afraid, afraid of Marty Peretz and Abe Foxman and Alan Dershowitz and Ron Rosenbaum and James Kirchick and everyone else who denounces any critic of Israel, no matter how temperate, as an anti-Semite. I challenge you to suggest that any of those you listed are prominent or national figures.

The reasons that young conservative writers do not matter is that the demographic trends in the United States will ensure that they do not matter.

There is little reason to believe that Republicans or conservatives will be relevant in the near future. The Hispanics and black populations are growing much faster than the white population and they vote Democratic. Immigrants vote Democratic in overwhelmingly numbers. Why would a twenty something put effort into conservative effots when the standard bearer for the Republicans is too stupid to realize that open borders and unlimited immigration will make the Republican Party irrelevant.

If a twenty something wants to have any future in politics and ever wants to be in a position to affect policy, they will choose to be a Democrat.