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Religion, Happiness and Socialism

19 May 2008 10:39 am

Will Wilkinson has an interesting post responding to Arthur Brooks' interesting work on religion and happiness in the United States, in which he (Will, that is) points out that the religion-happiness correlation seems to be America-specific, and that the advance of secularization in Western Europe has coincided with an increase in levels of reported happiness on the continent. Here's Will's take on the America-Europe discrepancy:

Brooks rightly points out that in the U.S. a great number of community organizations are anchored in religion. And sociality and community are key to happiness. So, sure, non-religiosity in the U.S. is likely to be a socially alienating and stigmatized kind of non-conformism ... It seems to me that Brooks has simply found that America has a religious culture, and therefore it’s less trouble to be religious in the U.S., not that religiosity has some kind of deep connection to happiness.

No doubt there's some truth to this (though I would venture that non-religiosity is somewhat less socially alienating than it used to be). But my suspicion is that the difference has something to do with the role of the welfare state as well - that the benefits of belonging to a religious community are greater in the U.S. than in Europe in part because our welfare state is smaller, and religious participation provides both tangible and intangible forms of security that are more valuable in a society where the free market is more freewheeling and the welfare state weaker. If you're a Christian who prefers the American model, you might say that the Europeans use government as a substitute for God; if you prefer Europe's path to modernity, you'd probably say something about Americans clinging to churchgoing because it's the only protection available against the harsh brutality of our jungle capitalism. Either way, I suspect that this symbiosis between high levels of religiosity and economic individualism is at the heart of American exceptionalism - which is another way of saying that libertarians root for secularization at their peril. (Though perhaps Will has some data in his infinite file cabinet of happiness research that blows my hypothesis out of the water.)

Comments (11)

Personally, I find "happiness research" so fundamentally silly that I'm always surprised when it finds its way to serious commentators and publications.

One doesn't need to look any further than the Nicomachean Ethics to see that happiness is a momentary state, whereas the satisfaction of a meaningful life is something that defies vulgar measurement.

Ross,

I don't necessarily think this is true on a global level.

I vaguely recall reading in the 'World Values Survey' a while back that on a global level, religiosity is actually correlated to a higher level of support for nationalized industries and state control of the economy. (I haven't yet been able to retrieve the citation). This makes sense if you think of a peasant in Egypt or Bolivia vis-a-vis their urbanized middle-class counterpart in Cairo or La Paz. The people in third world countries most hostile to Western ideas about economics also tend to be most hostile to Western ideas about secularism. This is especially the case now that consistent Marxism is less a force than it used to be but I suspect it was always true of much of the third world.

And really, let's be honest, the difference in religiosity between Europe and America is a difference of degree, not of kind, and there are some European countries that are as much or more religious than the USA- Ireland, Poland, Portugal and Greece come to mind. Portugal is known as one of the most economically 'leftist' countries in Europe and is also one of the most religious, apparently even more than the US>

I think stereotypes related to American vs. European views of capitalism and religion are less important. What matters is the fact that the United States is a much bigger and more populous country, with a highly mobile cosmopolitan population. Countries such as Finland and Sweden are totally different in this respect: the average Scandinavian is far more likely to remain part of an enduring, homogeneous community. The disappearance of religion does not matter that much, whereas in the U.S. joining a local church after you move probably is more important for basic social reasons?

MARCU$

MARCU$ stole my thunder - so I'll just restate that Ross should be thinking and looking more at the role of community.

I grew up in a small English village. A very odd place for immigrants from India to end up yet it was the most tolerant and happy place you could imagine.

It was a place were some families had been living in the same street since the time of Chaucer. It was so religiously homogeneous, far-out alternative belief meant Methodism. (There were rumors of a Catholic family a couple of villages down but I think that was just a myth to scare children.) Not that it mattered because nobody I knew actually went to church except to be christened, married, or buried.

Still religion was in the background. Elizabeth II is Deo gratia defender of the (Protestant Christian) faith and in her schools Christian prayers and Bible were taught to everyone whether they wanted to be taught or not with not even the slightest nod to multiculturalism. Easter, Christmas, the local saints day, were all observed by the populace. When the church was renovated for its 900th anniversary (eat your heart out American traditionalists!) even the local atheists donated.

Shortly before we moved to America, we spent two years in an East London suburb where non-whites of various faiths and ethnicities were the majority. There were no common rituals or events beyond supporting West Ham United football team. R.E. in school was properly respectful of all religions and the teacher was an agnostic. It was a much more stressful place with a lot of inter-group tension.

My conclusions from this are.

1. Ethnic uniformity is a big reason people feel happy. (Did Brooks compare happiness levels between ethnic faiths and more cosmopolitan ones? That would be interesting.)

2. Even in "secular" places, community often has a religious veneer and people don't resent that even after they've ditched the theology.

3. As Europe starts looking more like America, if religion (or quasi-religion) doesn't step in, happiness levels are going to fall regardless of what the government does.

4. All this goes to show the European experience doesn't really help American liberal or conservative arguments.

Perhaps religious folks are just better suited to being less than honest about a lot of things.


I'm not going to belabor this point on a conservative blog but it is interesting that socialist Venezuela appears to be one of the world's happiest countries according to several surveys, and well above the United States. It doesn't really suprise me of course.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/138

In general social/religious homogeneity does seem to make for a happier and more solidaristic country. Perhaps a country like Greece has in some ways the best of both worlds- the basic levels of nutrition, education, health care and infrastructure of a rich country, and the family structures, religiosity and social solidarity typical of a poor country. Maybe we should convert to Orthodoxy and move to Greece.

I have nothing to cite here, but I recall reading in the past that Europe's left-wingers showed higher levels of religiosity than it's right wingers; the opposite of the dynamic in this country. Admittedly, I could just be misremembering something. That would tend to shoot a hole in Ross's theory, though.

And I'll take my chances rooting for secularization, thankyouverymuch. Libertarians don't politically marginalize ourselves on economic and political principles just to sell out to a bunch of noodle-armed choir boys when it comes to religious questions.

Several of the most atheistic countries are not particularly happy. The French don't usually come out as a particularly happy people. The Estonians had the lowest rate of "belief in God" in Europe and they usually rank as quite unhappy. The Maltese and Irish rank as pretty happy. Although mass attendance in Ireland has plummeted they've not exactly become non-theist last time I checked.

The Scandinavians do come out as highly irreligious and quite happy. (Although Scandinavians I've talked to think there must be something wrong with the figures on that) Possibly this is because of social systems. Still the notion that "the value people get from religion is based in self-interest and social benefits", although potentially valid, strikes me as odd for a religious person to say without embarrassment. I've sort of said something like this myself, but usually as a cynical statement against many believers.

Which makes me think I misread information about you. Are you actually not any kind of Christian? Because the pattern I've noticed on your blog is to see religion this way. Like religion is a force of collective self-interest or valuable as social security by appropriately conservative/non-coercive means. Are you actually agnostic or something?

Thomas R.,

Who are you asking if they're an agnostic? Ross? As far as I know Ross is a fairly devout Catholic.

Scandinavians appear to be pretty irreligious in matters of theology, but it looks like they have a pretty well running society...it seems to me that they have assimilated a lot of Christian moral teaching about social responsibility, the brotherhood of man, etc. without retaining the theology.

I just have to say that I think any measure of peoples' "happiness" is just pointless. Some people in socialist countries are very happy; some are very sad. Some people in religious countries are very happy; some are very sad. The same is true of capitalist countries; the same is true of non-religious countries. And people fall everywhere in between on the "very happy" to "very sad" scale. So this sort of discussion I feel is dumb. I will say there seems to be some merit in this discussion that homogeneity (social, cultural, economic, etc.) seems to create more contentment among people, but even then it's more an issue of people not arguing with each other over pointless things than an issue of people "being happy".


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