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Gentlemen, Choose Your Issues

10 Jun 2008 10:04 am

Marc writes:

To note the blindly obvious, about 80 percent of what John McCain talks about these days is related to foreign policy or national security. About 80 percent of what Barack Obama talks about these days is related to domestic policy.

For McCain, that 80 percent reflects deference to the reality that John Podhoretz lays out here:

... And so the irony presents itself: With a troubled economy and Democrats ahead on issue after issue, McCain will only reach the presidency in two ways. First, Barack Obama is going to have to do something from now until election day that seriously calls his judgment into question — and I mean something new, not a Jeremiah Wright offshoot. Second, there is Iraq. McCain is going to have no choice but to center his campaign around victory in Iraq — by claiming that the turnaround during the surge has not just created fragile gains but that we are on the verge of actually winning outright in Iraq and that the victory is due almost entirely to him. (Whether that’s true or not is another matter.) That Obama was wrong about the surge, is wrong about where we are now and just how meaningful it will be to secure a victory there, and that these mistakes on Obama’s part raise serious questions about his ability to handle the growing threat from Iran.

It may seem counterintuitive that McCain needs to use an unpopular war to get himself elected, but the way things look right now, nothing else is going to get him elected. Yes, he needs to spell out a reform agenda. Yes, he needs to have answers, and fluid ones, on domestic policy matters. But all that is purely defensive, to ensure that Obama’s advantage on matters like those does not grow. In the end, McCain has to make it an election about leadership. And where he has shown leadership is Iraq.

This analysis suggests that McCain's ratio ought to move closer to 60 percent foreign, 40 percent domestic as the campaign progresses - but with the constant awareness that it's the 60 percent on which his campaign will ultimately win, if win it does; the rest is essentially defensive, an arena where McCain can land punches but not a knockout blow. The challenge for Obama is in certain respects thornier, since - precisely because he's in such a strong position overall - he has a host of narratives and issues to choose from. Does he emphasize long-term Democratic goals on health care or the environment, or try to make short-term hay, like Clinton in '92, out of the sagging economy? Should he continue playing the post-partisan healer, or should he take the weakness of the Republican brand as an opportunity to run a harder-edged campaign that might succeed in decimating the GOP? And above all, does he double down on domestic policy, where his edge is enormous, or does he go for the jugular on foreign policy, Yglesias-style, trying make national security a winning issue for a Democratic candidate for the first time in living memory?

Obviously these dilemmas represent a luxury the McCain campaign would love to have. But they're dilemmas nonetheless.

Comments (28)

I don't see myself voting for inflexibly pro-abortion Obama; but nor for this ick:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Obama is, as you say very strong on domestic policy, and as you don't say, very strong on foreign polciy too. Despite constant conservative and MSM efforts to say "the surge is working" enough times to make it true, the surge is not working. A short-term, minor decrease in violence without a political settlement accomplishes nothing. Obama was right to oppose it (and the war itself) and his other foreign policy ideas, including negotiations with hostile foreign leaders, are actually quite popular.

The American people see that this war is a mistake and a failure. If McCain wants to hang that anchor around his neck, he's welcome to do it.

What a lot of conservatives who live in a bubble of like-minded people don't seem to realize is that, despite the surge's security gains, people still hate the Iraq War, still want to get out real soon, and still think it was a huge mistake to get in in the first place. Consider this: despite the surge's success, George W. Bush's approval rating has only gone down, not up, since it started. Sure, you might say the economy's been tanking, but Bush maybe kinda sorta getting it right w.r.t. the surge hasn't been successful (yet) in rehabilitating his image since it's been obscured by his incompetence in economic stewardship. People might see the surge's good points as a result of Bush luckily hitting on a decent strategy, and I think that's not incorrect.

The truth is that Americans have given up on this war. Conservatives surely blanch at this reality and insist it's not true, but how else do you account for the situation in Iraq getting palpably better but public opinion staying the same? If John McCain wants to win, he needs to start talking about the surge's success in terms of how it will allow us to start withdrawing troops. He won't, since McCain seems to believe all his Hemingway bullshit about great wars and lost causes and steely resolve and all the rest. That frankly pre-20th century thinking scares me, to be honest.

Justin K.:
Not only that, but I am sure Obama's people gamed the primary out. Now that I look at it, it was obvious that McCain was going to win. It's all in Republicans history if nothing else. The only one else who could have won was Rudy, but he blew that(9/11!!). Of course they've had 3 or 4 months to plan for McCain. McCain doesn't care about domestic policy. He's a walking gaffe machine. Since most people care about the economy right now, McCain is in deep trouble. McCain will go down to the same defeat suffered by the guy whose Senate seat he holds.

Dear American Voters,

Hon. Senator McCain and Obama, besides each having many attributes and characteristics. The critical differences between the two of these presidential presumptive nominees are as under:

1. Presidential "Temperament and Composer".
2. Little Washington "insider Versus outsider" experience.
3. "Vision and mission" for our nation future rather than past.
4. American policies, " first U.S.A Centric" than any other country [ ies ] centric.

In my professional opinion Senator Obama leads in all above qualities.

The need of our next movement and generation is a change. The Change in " past Washington and its Leadership". A change we can believe in and not the seductive, deceptive, and confusing slogan of "leader we can believe in" [? Effexor ?".

Our Greatgrand Nation has to address many present and future challenges and start with new clean "Slate and Senator".

God Bless America. its diverse people, and our Greatgrand Nation.

Our Greatgrand Nation is needs the CHANGE at every level and for long time.

I am sure Senator Obama with the help of Senator Clinton and her supporters, can deliver that CHANGE.

Please stay involved, stay engaged, and stay informed. Please do not allow any seduction, deception, and or confusion by some partisan media and leaders effect your vote [ Psychological Terrorism ]..

Yours truly,

COL. [retd] A.M.Khajawall
Disabled American Veteran
Forensic psychiatrist, Las Vegas

Could we not choose the issue that you think he's not morally fit to be President, but will vote for him because he's Republican?

Before too long it will be more like McCain 100% negative attacks on Obama.

Ron writes: "Before too long it will be more like McCain 100% negative attacks on Obama."

And all of the filthy moronic scumbags of the Right will be flinging poo at him, too. They're already doing it. Before they're done he'll be portrayed as a mixture of Farrakhan, Willie Horton, Benedict Arnold, and the 20th 9/11 hijacker. The McCain campaign will cease even pretending to abhor these tactics. But it's hard to believe any of that will trump $5 per gallon for gas, a ruined housing market, and an endless unpopular war - all of which has REPIGLICAN written all over it. A McCain administration would draw "talent" from the same shitpool of demented incompetent assclowns the Bushpigs wallow in, and who wants that?

As a confirmed NotRepublican, I hope McCain and his surrogates continue to mentino the truly horrible and disastrous Iraq Invasion. Thanks in advance.

I want Obama and the Dems to crush the Repiglican Party without mercy. On the Wednesday morning after Election Night the GOP should remind people of "Reservoir Dogs" - with the political corpses of the jokers on the right piled high. Maximum mayhem. No party in US history has ever deserved it more.

Obama is strong on neither domestic policy nor foreign policy. Indeed he has not defined what he means by "change" at all, but has simply used it as a catalyst for those who are dissatisfied with the status quo. But every issue he has specified a position is full of problems, except for standard, "non-change", democratic policy positions. His only strength is his ability to communicate, if he only had something of substance to communicate ( does he really believe that we have not cared for the sick up to this point?).
McCain simply has nothing to say, and isn't very good in not saying it. Again, the choice comes down to core values in a candidate and not any specific policy debates which will make likely for another bitter and extremely divisive campaign.

dfb writes: "Again, the choice comes down to core values in a candidate and not any specific policy debates which will make likely for another bitter and extremely divisive campaign."

Good. It damn well should be bitter and divisive, given the incompetence and all-around criminality of the current administration and McCain's revolting embrace of it all.

What a lot of conservatives who live in a bubble of like-minded people don't seem to realize is that, despite the surge's security gains, people still hate the Iraq War, still want to get out real soon, and still think it was a huge mistake to get in in the first place.

That's right. The truth is, Obama runs on Iraq, he wins.

Conservatives are believing their own BS on this issue.

Obama should grab McMoron by the balls on Iraq. Landslide victory.

Obama is strong on neither domestic policy nor foreign policy. Indeed he has not defined what he means by "change" at all, but has simply used it as a catalyst for those who are dissatisfied with the status quo. But every issue he has specified a position is full of problems, except for standard, "non-change", democratic policy positions. His only strength is his ability to communicate, if he only had something of substance to communicate ( does he really believe that we have not cared for the sick up to this point?).


Have you even looked at his website? Or listened to any of his speeches? Would you prefer that McCain veto every single beer?

I very much hope that Obama goes after the Republicans on foreign policy and wins. The point is to demonstrate to Republican strategists that there is a political penalty for failure.

When Bush received the briefing titled "Bin Laden determined to attack in the United States," his failure to take action was, from a political perspective, sensible. The 9/11 attacks were a tragedy for America, but they probably helped Bush win re-election in 2004.

Similarly, when Bush decided to go to war with Iraq, making America a nation divided over the Iraq war rather than a nation united in its determination to achive victory in Afghanistan, that seems to have changed the political landscape in a way that favored Republicans in 2004.

After invading Iraq, the Bush administration decided to staff the CPA (Coallition Provisional Authority, the temporary government of Iraq) based on political loyalty rather than competence. Patronage occurs in all administrations, but if a Democratic president were to place more emphasis on political patronage than on winning a war, there would be hell to pay. Bush apparently judged that since the Republican "brand" was associated with strength on national security, he didn't have to try very hard to actually win in Iraq. And in the short term, at least, his assessment was correct.

If Obama can make criticms of the Bush foreign policy stick, that would go a long way towards reestablishing accountability for foreign policy and national security decisions.

Kenneth said: "The point is to demonstrate to Republican strategists that there is a political penalty for failure."

I could not agree more with this statement, but I would add that any party should expect a political penalty for failure. We don't reward people for bad behavior, neither do we applaud people when they make poor choices. Why should it be any different in politics?

I am not partisan. I am a registered Independent and plan to remain an Independent unless I move to a state with a closed primary. I wish (O how I wish) that Republicans would take a long, hard look at themselves. They have been in power for several years and it is time for a self-evaluation, I believe. If they do not check themselves I am almost positive that they will suffer the same fate as the Labour Party in the United Kingdon. Indeed, I believe that this has already begun to happen.

Isn't McCain the guy who told us that US troops would be greeted as liberators by the Iraqis?

Some leadership.

I thought the surge's purpose was to get the US out of Iraq, not to stay for "ten, maybe one-hundred" years. If the surge is working, why can't the drawdown start right now? Could it possibly be because the political developments that were supposed to happen just have not?

I believe that Senator McCain is a great American and he will make a great President. He is a maverick and looks out for all people - his experience, knowledge and the fact he was a POW for five years lets me know just how much he loves our country. He will unite our country and work hard to curb spending, lowering taxes, etc.
He is not a great orator as is Senator O'Bama, but he has so much substance, truth and experience, and I will feel much safer with Senator McCain as our President.

And your balance and restraint shines through with the "O'Bama"

Someone being a POW tells you nothing about whether he loves the country or not. What taxes will he lower, as I'd like to put a spread bet on what 2012 deficit will be.

For James - Being a POW certainly does show how much Senator McCain loves his country and what kind of person he is. While fighting the enemy and representing our country, he was captured and tortured for five years. He lived through not only being captured but being tortured time and time again. This tells a lot about a person - it shows that he is a fighter, its shows that he is a loyal person,it shows his judgment, it shows that he is a leader in the toughest of times...This kind of person who has these qualities will certainly have the ability and know how to take care of taxes, immigration, high cost of oil, etc...I don't believe that Senator O'Bama possesses these qualities now, maybe in future years he will.

No, being a POW does not show how much he loves his country. How he acts during and after it does. He did crack under duress, which is both completely understandable and also makes the current torture positions in Republicans even more ludicrous.

I'm still curious how McCain will be able to continue the war in Iraq, cut taxes without pushing the deficit beyond even trillions.

And again, the pretense that you have respect for Obama is undermined by you calling him O'Bama.

McCain's task is harder than you credit. He has to do more than to convince the American public that we can win the war, he has to convince us that the time, lives and money spent on the war was worth it.

Given that even in the most optimistic scenario, Iraq is going to be a country were a sizable fraction of the population resents -- if not outright hates -- us, many people are wondering what, precisely, we've got to gain that can match the toil, nor are abstract appeals to regional stability and democritization going to suffice to answer that question.

Perhaps if the promise of cheap oil had been fulfilled, McCain would have had a selling point, but given the reality at the pump, your typical person is going to not only believe that the worth of continuing to fight this war is, at best, questionable, but they're also going to feel personally offended that they're paying 4-plus dollars a gallon at the pump.

If I may read between the lines, however, you are right in one respect: Obama is the only person who can defeat Obama at this point. It's certainly possible that he's say or do something egregious, or that some other revelation about his past will come to light that will swing the voters against him. However, given how thorough Hillary's campaign tried to dig up the dirt on him and call him on his gaffs, I wouldn't want to be too hopeful were I a McCain supporter.

I have no pretense toward Obama - I stand corrected on his last name.

How Senator McCain acted during his torture and five long years of imprisonment shows what kind of man he is. We are all tested at times and how we react during our toughest times defines our character.

I don't know how Senator McCain plans on accommplishing all that needs to be done in our country, but Senator Obama also promises to fix everyting too - neither one will be able to get all done that they are promising.

But, I do believe between Obama and McCain that McCain will make a better President.

It's really great that John McCain was tested 40 years ago. He has also been tested during the Bushpig years, and unfortunately he doesn't get a passing grade for that one, which is a whole lot more relevant than the time he almost met Rambo.

You have got to be kidding - to even compare what we as citizens have gone through with the Bush years compared to McCain's service to our country. I dare say you would not trade eight years of your life in the USA for five years as a prisoner of war.

My point is Senator McCain had to survive and perserve for five terrible years as a POW and it doesn't matter if it was 40 years ago or yesterday - he showed patience, integrity, leadership etc., and these are some of the qualities our President should have.

So, Sharon, can I suppose that you would consistently support any POW running for president solely on the basis of that status (assuming, of course, that the POW in question faced duress).

As for myself, I respect the suffering that McCain endured and I respect the way he responded to his suffering, but I don't believe that the office of the president should simply be handed to whomever has suffered the worst or overcome the most.

The question for me is not whether or not the president is a good person, but whether he is a good leader. Unfortunately, I have concluded that even though I think McCain is a brave person who has deep moral conviction on such issues as the wisdom of continuing the war in Iraq, I can not agree with his stances.

Frankly, even when it comes to the core issue of character, I'm finding myself perplexed by many of his positions. I don't understand how a man who was totured for five years can allow himself to compromise of the fact of torturing our own war prisoners. I don't understand how a person who did his damndest to resist compromising with his captors was willing to compromise with a president who had unconscionably smeared McCain's reputation during the 2000 election. I don't understand how a person of McCain's moral stature can, at one point, criticize fundamentalists for intolerance and then turn around and embrace one of the very fundamentalists that he specifically called out.

While I don't believe that McCain is a bad human being, and while I absolutely respect his war record, the person he has become is not a person I could bring myself to vote for.

You, of course, may not see these as issues, but can you at least acknowledge that there is more to the question of his candidacy than whether or not he acquitted himself honorably as a POW?

Sharon replies: "You have got to be kidding - to even compare what we as citizens have gone through with the Bush years compared to McCain's service to our country. I dare say you would not trade eight years of your life in the USA for five years as a prisoner of war.

My point is Senator McCain had to survive and perserve for five terrible years as a POW and it doesn't matter if it was 40 years ago or yesterday - he showed patience, integrity, leadership etc., and these are some of the qualities our President should have. "

A lot of people have those qualities, of course. And it damn well does matter that it was 40 years ago, because he seems to have forgotten whatever lessons he learned then.

All of the torture methods that were used on him have been used against detainees under Bush - and McCain made a little show of being against this at first, then finally caved because - surprise! - torture was popular among Repiglicans and he wanted their votes. It was not going to be possible to win the Repiglican nomination in 2008 without being pro-torture, so he went with the flow.

So he has disgraced himself, and he'll have to live with that, but he's no longer fit to live in the White House. Nor is the worthless little bastard who lives there now, but that's another story.