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The Consequences of the Surge

25 Jun 2008 10:45 am

Here's Ezra Klein, responding to this David Brooks column praising the President for the decision to implement (and stick with) the surge:

... the argument over the surge was never an argument positing that more troops couldn't lead to less violence. Folks forget this, but the surge was actually part of Howard Dean's 2004 candidacy, when he was running as an anti-war candidate. In June 2003, on Meet the Press, he said, "I can tell you one thing, though. We need more troops in Afghanistan. We need more troops in Iraq now." I disagreed with him, but that was the plan: More troops, leading to less violence, leading to withdrawal. It was a plan that Democrats, even liberal Democrats, supported. Would Brooks like to credit Dean as a military visionary?

This is a good point, but one that cuts both ways. Yes, Brooks' argument does imply that Howard Dean and John Kerry deserve credit for championing a surge-style increase of forces back in 2004. But what does it say about Dean and Kerry, and the Democrats in general, that they championed increasing America's footprint in Iraq only so long as doing so gave them a "we're tough too!" club with which to beat up Bush - and only so long as there seemed to be no chance that Bush would actually call their bluff?

Of course it's possible to mount an argument, as many liberals did in 2006, that the seeming inconsistency stems entirely from dispassionate analysis: The surge was a good idea back when Democrats favored it, you see, but the changing facts on the ground made it a bad idea in '06. In other words, the surge just happened to become the wrong thing to do around the time George W. Bush got around to embracing it. But this argument seems awfully convenient, to say the least ...

Ezra goes on:

The argument over Bush's surge was in fact an argument over whether we needed a strategy which continued the war indefinitely, or a strategy where success was defined in an achievable way, and an end was sought to the conflict. The former won out, and administration replaced political goals with security goals. But given sufficient manpower and treasure, America could tamp down on violence in Iraq indefinitely. We could start up a draft, and deploy 7 million troops to the country, which would probably quiet down daily squabbling pretty quickly.

I'm sorry, but this is just revisionist history. A large part of the surge debate was about whether it would work - and not whether it would work "given sufficient manpower and treasure," but whether it would work given the more limited and within-our-means escalation of forces that the White House was proposing. Meanwhile, saying that the anti-surge voices on the left were calling for "a strategy where success was defined in an achievable way" is a polite way of saying that they were calling for a strategy in which we declared defeat and got the hell out. Unlike some people on the right, I don't think that this point of view was dishonorable and/or treasonous; my own support for the surge was of the deeply lukewarm variety, and part of my mind inclined toward the view that accepting defeat sooner rather than later represented the best way forward. But let's not pretend that this approach was something other than what it was: It was a blueprint for giving up on Iraq, cutting our losses and leaving, and calling it "a strategy where success was defined in an achievable way" is just a way of talking around the reality of defeat.

Ezra goes on to quote Matt Duss on "why many of us felt an endless deployment in Iraq was a frankly bad idea":

Leaving aside the fact that [the surge's] "victory" ... in addition to obviously representing a monumental climbdown from each and every one of the numerous justifications previously offered for the war, does not actually add up to "an Iraqi state" as much as to "a series of armed militia communities we're going to call Iraq," was this outcome really worth 4,000 American dead, over 28,000 wounded, and, by the end of 2008, some $600 billion in American treasure? Was it worth over half a million Iraqi dead, many times that maimed, and some 3 million displaced? Was it worth creating an open source laboratory for terrorists to develop and sharpen their tactics against the most technologically advanced military in the world, enabling them disseminate those tactics around the world via internet? Was it worth losing a thousand dollars at poker just to win twenty at blackjack?

And then here's Ezra himself on the same point:

We've sacrificed long-term strategy at the altar of short-term security. That made sense for the Bush administration, which didn't want to be judged a historic failure and so needed to wrestle the everyday metrics till they showed some semblance of an upward trajectory (fans of the Wire will recognize this strategy). But the political question -- which is, as it's always been, the central question -- remains unanswered. A few months ago, Maliki, the putative head of the government launched an assault on Sadr, who's arguably the most popular Shia leader in the country. CFR's Stephen Biddle, who's an optimist, thinks the military would overthrow Maliki if given the chance. And he sums up the situation saying, "What is achievable is sustainable stability, a sense of an end to large-scale violence that holds over a long period of time. That I think is potentially doable in Iraq if the United States expends the necessary effort. If we fail in that, there's a danger that this war could spread throughout the region. And that's a really powerful threat to U.S. interests." That's the universe of outcomes we went to war for? Defeat means catastrophic failure, and success means an absence of genocide?

These are strong arguments, but they're considerably stronger as points against having gone to war in the first place than as points against the surge. Was the invasion worth all the blood and treasure it's cost us? I say no. (Here's the most recent argument to the contrary, incidentally, which I'll try to take up a later date.) Was the surge worth the blood and treasure it cost us? That's a separate question, and one to which Duss and Ezra are largely non-responsive. When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back? (Particularly when those "dollars" are counted in actual human lives.) Or again, the "absence of genocide" in Iraq may not be the outcome we went to war for in the first place, but in a landscape where genocide seemed like a real possibility it doesn't look all that shabby. And while it is of course quite possible that the surge will look like a long-term strategic failure, I would find arguments to that effect considerably more persuasive if they didn't seem so blase and dismissive ("some semblance of an upward trajectory" ... "the altar of short-term security" ... "twenty on blackjack") about the thousands and thousands of Iraqi lives that appear to have been saved, however temporarily, by the decision to add troops in 2006 rather than withdraw them.

Comments (30)

"When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back? (Particularly when those "dollars" are counted in actual human lives.)"

I'm not entirely clear if this your belief, but that is certainly the argument being put forward by many advocates for long-term occupation. The two major problems with this being:

1. the sunk cost fallacy (not to mention the related sunk cost dilemma)

2. human lives that have been lost cannot be won back

You're much more exercised about seeking out liberal hypocrisy about Iraq than about what's going on in Iraq.

All politics is local, I guess.

The Surge failed to achieve what it was designed to achieve. It was a tantrum by the president, not a strategy.

"The surge was a good idea back when Democrats favored it, you see, but the changing facts on the ground made it a bad idea in '06. In other words, the surge just happened to become the wrong thing to do around the time George W. Bush got around to embracing it. But this argument seems awfully convenient, to say the least ..."

Did you spend the entire time period from November 2004 to November 2006 in a hermetically-sealed fallout shelter, by any chance?

Go back and review some of the news articles and casualty counts from that time period, and then come back here and tell me it's "awfully convenient" to think a surge might have been an effective strategy in November 2004, whereas by November 2006 it seemed unlikely to bring about any meaningful progress. And that's not even getting into the obvious distinction between a temporary surge intended to facilitate withdrawal, and a "surge" promoted by leaders who plainly support a permanent occupation of Iraq.

I think the security improvements are indisputable, and far more impressive than I anticipated. But from my armchair, the "surge" seems far less important to these security gains than the decision to negotiate and cooperate with the Sunni tribal leaders -- who were previously viewed as a mindless horde of Islamofascists who-must-not-be-appeased.

Naturally, the gland-disorder neocons have a vested interest in claiming otherwise, and a vested interest in claiming their entire debacle has been vindicated, but this is what one might call an "awfully convenient" argument.

Read this line again, more carefully: "More troops, leading to less violence, leading to withdrawal"

The Republican line is "more troops, leading to less violence, leading to never withdraw". There is a difference here, and Republicans aren't so good at nuance. The difference is this: do the troops stay in Iraq forever or do they eventually come home?

The Democrats were arguing for a change in tactics in order to bring the troops home back in 2004, when the Bush meme was "stay the course". And after the Baker-Hamilton report, the Bush meme became "surge". Great, but what about bringing the troops home? Well, according to Baker-Hamilton it requires diplomacy. Remember that Obama wanted to have talks with Iran, and all the conservatives poo-poo that idea as "naive"? Well, it is a prerequisite for bringing the troops home. It wouldn't surprise me if in 2010 the Republicans try the tactic that they are "better negotiators" after diplomacy yields results.

This argument is simply an extended post hoc, ergo propter hoc. The decrease in violence had more to do with the Anbar Awakening and the succesful completion of Shiite ethnic cleansing campaigns than it did with the surge.

This argument is simply an extended post hoc, ergo propter hoc. The decrease in violence had more to do with the Anbar Awakening and the successful completion of Shiite ethnic cleansing campaigns than it did with the surge.

"about the thousands and thousands of Iraqi lives that appear to have been saved, however temporarily, by the decision to add troops in 2006 rather than withdraw them."

It's easier to be blase about thousands of lives when you didn't support something which killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives.

Could you repost your outrage when Rumsfeld said 'Stuff Happens', and Bush had a lovely banner.

Your poke analogy falls seriously short on many levels.

First and foremost, your argument looks at the short term only. You need to consider whether the surge causes you to stay in longer and what the potential outcome of that continued presence may mean.

Second, I hate to be the one to say this, but you are valuing all lives the same. You may do this, as may others, but I would posit that the American government has a clear obligation, particulalry to our soldiers, to value American lives and indiduals' bodies (lets not forget the injured) higher than others.

Third, if saving lives in other counties is a worthy goal, which seems to be a recent goal of those who support these actions, is this military presence in Iraq more useful in terms of saving human lives than in other locations of violence or potential violence against people, like Darfur or Zimbabwe. Or to extend your analogy, is there a more lucrative table to be sitting at.

Finally (and Im not saying these are the only holes), your looking at the success in hindsight. One reason not to sit at the table after you lost a lot of money would be the intelligent realization that you were bad at that game and that you may not have been prepared to sit there in the first place. Or worse yet that the game was unwinnable in the long run. That you may have a small success or two but the reality was that in the long run you could not really accomplish your goals, just drag the affair out longer and actually risk losing more than your shirt.

...the thousands and thousands of Iraqi lives that appear to have been saved, however temporarily, by the decision to add troops in 2006 rather than withdraw them.

To echo what Glenn said, there is a difference between appearance and reality. What is the actual evidence that the small increase in troops that constituted the surge made much of a difference? Until you present plausible evidence, its misleading to say that the surge caused the reduction in violence.

The reduction in violence seems to be related much more to our change from the idiotic Bush/Rumsfeld strategy to a more standard counterinsurgency one (which should have been done in the first place), as well as the natural consequence of ethnic cleansing.


“calling it "a strategy where success was defined in an achievable way" is just a way of talking around the reality of defeat.”

In order to be defeated, one has to have a goal, and this administration has never been able to coherently articulate what our goal in Iraq is. Defining what success is not dancing around defeat- it is the minimum requirement of having a clue.

The Democrats advocated increasing troop levels temporarily so we could extricate ourselves from the war without an imminent bloodbath. Bush and McCain have advocate increasing troop levels indefinitely in order to achieve "victory." Not “victory” in the sense of achieving something (because to define success is to court defeat, apparently), but “victory” in the sense of the thing you hear during a political speech that lets you know you are supposed to start clapping.

So before you get on your high horse about the left's "awfully convenient " arguments about the surge, why don't you let us know what we are trying to do in Iraq other than leave (i.e. the Democrat’s position).

If your answer has more intellectual content than the G.I. Joe theme song you will be doing better than 90% of the war’s supporters- including the guy you are planning on voting for.

Nice groupthink from the rabid anti-war folks here. Most serious writers on foreign policy, on either side, have to acknowledge at least the short-term success of the surge, however tenuous.

But as Reihan noted in that bloggingheads video Ross put up, just about everyone has an opinion on foreign policy. That currency of "analysts" is greatly devalued. You've obviously found the ones who echo your reflexive dismissal of any progress in the war.

Citing Kerry and Dean as surge supporters is odd; both men also criticized (I think, correctly) the undermanning of the war in Afghanistan, and, at least with a "surge" of the magnitude we're now dealing with, you don't get to fix both problems. So I think it's fair to write off Dean's "surge" as rhetoric, not military actuality.
That's not to say I don't think the Brooks piece suffers from a certain, "Ok, so, your stopped clock is right twice a day" problem. But Klein's argument is just plain weird.

In judging the Iraq War including the surge one needs to look at its effect overall on the Middle East. Back in January Marc Reuel Gerecht, former senior CIA analyst, wrote a piece, A New Middle East, After All What George W. Bush hath wrought. that is summed up as follows:

Iraq and the war on terror will likely save the president's legacy in the Middle East. Although his soaring pro-democracy rhetoric has often been nullified by the actions of his minions and the president's own misunderstanding of what democracy in action means in the Muslim Middle East, George W. Bush has probably changed forever how Washington views Muslims and their rulers. Many in Washington may still believe, as George Kennan did, that Muslims are suited to dictatorship. Publicly, however, that position is no longer acceptable. This is no small achievement.
An uneasy and healthy tension now exists between rhetoric and reality, guaranteeing that Americans will continue to debate what has gone wrong and right in the Muslim Middle East. Whether America escapes another 9/11 or not, the president deserves credit for understanding that the region's murderous anti-American extremists, both secular and religious, had to be confronted on the battlefield. Sanctions, cruise missiles shot at rock huts and empty intelligence-service buildings, and close liaison relationships with foreign internal-security services were not enough. If the United States is brutally struck again by holy warriors, President Bush will seem prescient and wise--about the need for reform in the Middle East's autocracies, about the strategic shortsightedness and immorality of pre-9/11 American foreign policy toward Muslims, and about the imperative to use ugly tactics against mass-casualty terrorists. Given the forces arrayed against him, his administration's failures, and his own limitations, these are achievements even Ronald Reagan would envy.

Most analysts including those on the 9/11 Commission have concluded that another brutal attack by the holy warriors is more a question of when than if.

"Nice groupthink from the rabid anti-war folks here"

As opposed to the multiplicity of views from the pro-war free thinkers.

Nice groupthink from the rabid anti-war folks here. Most serious writers on foreign policy, on either side, have to acknowledge at least the short-term success of the surge, however tenuous.

Correct, if pedestrian, deployment of the "rabid" vs. "serious" meme. At this point, for full marks you should really get them both into the first sentence. B+. Review your manual.

Petey leavitts: "Most analysts including those on the 9/11 Commission have concluded that another brutal attack by the holy warriors is more a question of when than if."

Will shameless GOP whores like Petey ever stop using 9/11 to justify the Iraq War?

Apparently not.

When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back?

Because you've learned you're not a very good poker player?

When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back?

Aside from the moral monstrosity of the analogy, please sit at my poker table and try to win it all back. I'll even up the stakes if you want.

Though the surge is explainable as GWB trying to Martingale his way to victory.

Since no one else jumped on this:

"When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back?"

You gotta know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em, know when to walk away, know when to run.

Last I checked the surge was meant to give the Iraqi govt. breathing space to get their shit together so they could prevent genocide and civil war within their own borders. Not to kill more insurgants or postpone the inveitable day the Iraqi govt. will have to take care of their own.

Are we actually any closer to that goal? If we took off tommorow would things turn out better in Iraq than if the surge never happened?

At what point does Iraq qualify to surivive as a nation w/o thousands of our soilders keeping it together without blood and bullets. I rather hear McCain and Ross expound on that than stupid arguments about the small percentage drop in voilence or the number of insurgants killed.

When you've already lost a thousand dollars at poker, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back? (Particularly when those "dollars" are counted in actual human lives.)

I had no idea that the surge has brought dead people back to life. Damned commie MSM never reports any of the good news from Iraq.

I was briefly a 'liberal hawk' about Operation Iraqi Freedom. To me and I bet also to Sen Kerry and Gov Dean (as well as to Sen McCain), Gen Shinsiki's advice prior to the invasion seemed good. The complete disintegration of Iraq once it was in the Administrations hands was easily predicted once Rummy's 'transformed' Army reached their tactical targets and stood down. They were light on manpower and at the end of their supplies. The Marines were down to one MRE per man per day.

When GeoWBush announced the surge it seemed 'too little and too late'. As it would have been without the change from occupation to counter-insurgency. Those of us liberals who thought the surge could succeed did so because it was as close to Gen Shinsiki's evaluation of the task as the US Army/Marines were capable of.

It has been a fabulous success. Every soldier and marine should be thanked and praised.

It has also been the recipient of amazing good luck. That's not a critism.

It has also created an opportunity. Which the Administration is working hard to squander.

LaFollette Progressive,
Are we in the midst of a 'permanent occupation' of Germany and Japan?

To anyone -- I frequently hear the idea voiced that the surge hasn't accomplished what it was meant to accomplish. Well, Iraqis have been reassured of our commitment to their country, the central govt. and armed forces of Iraq have had time to organize, and the country has pulled back from the precipice of schism. I thought that those were the goals of the surge. If those weren't it's goals, I'm glad that these things have happened anyway. And if these things didn't happen because of the surge, it seems odd to argue that so much progress was made in spite of the surge.

At any rate, who thinks that Obama will reduce our troop presence in Iraq to zero? Who thinks that McCain wants to keep our troop numbers in Iraq this high or higher for eight years? Not me, on either count.

Good stuff, "contest judges". You must have taken a graduate-level course.

Agreed w/ JohnMcC's post, in that whatever short-term success the surge has had, it can be easily squandered. And we have an administration very handy at that sort of thing. Still, Ross is right to point out the convenience of the Kerry/Dean reflex on this issue.

Who thinks that McCain wants to keep our troop numbers in Iraq this high or higher for eight years? Not me,

Of course not. They'll be needed in Iran.

Also, Gyrd, please be aware that there has been no insurgency in Germany and Japan, and that German and Japanese civil authorities are capable of maintaining peace. So, no, it's not an occupation.

Elvis, I know some Okinawans who disagree with you on the last sentence.

Let's be honest for a moment. The only reason Kerry and Dean were in favor of more troops in 2004 is becase it was the opposite of the Bush administration at the time and enabled them an avenue to criticise when total surrendur had not yet been put on the table by the democrats.

dave scribbles: "Let's be honest for a moment. The only reason Kerry and Dean were in favor of more troops in 2004 is becase it was the opposite of the Bush administration at the time and enabled them an avenue to criticise when total surrendur had not yet been put on the table by the democrats."

Since you're a Repiglican, davey, you're incapable of honesty. But consider this - "surrendur," even if you could spell it correctly, which you can't, really has little meaning when you're talking about a wholly unnecessary war of aggression like the one the Bushpigs decided to wage in Iraq. There was never, even for a single moment, a legitimate reason to start the war. Iraq was never a threat to the US.

So what are we "surrendering" to, exactly, if we cease this dumbass war? Granted, morons like you who supported it may be embarrassed, but why should rational, decent Americans give a sliver of a fuck about the feelings of murderous, stupid fucks like you?

We shouldn't and we don't.

The thing that astounds me about the war and the surge is you can't argue against it, because most of its supporters are so totally clueless. It's punching at smoke. Every year or so the pro-war positions are proven to be failures, but it doesn't matter. What we've purchased with the lives of another thousand young Americans is another set of excuses to keep the war going.

For all Ross's good will and seriousness, this post is a case in point. Here is a very partial list of ways it matches this destructive pattern:
1. The wildly and thoughtlessly exaggerated bogeyman. Initially it was WMD. Now Ross is throwing the word "genocide" around very freely. Civil war, yes - genocide, I don't believe it. The ethnic cleansing phase has already finished under our noses, and I can't see that anything we've done is likely to prevent the civil war from following its course when it has a chance, especially since we've been arming both sides in the conflict.
2. Ignoring the cost. "why wouldn't you take the opportunity to win a few of those dollars back?" is a very cavalier justification for the death of 1000 or so young men and women in our armed forces, and the expenditure of hundreds of billions of dollars.
3. Lack of goals. The pro-war faction has wrecked itself so often on the rocks of reality that our grand strategic vision is now reduced to hoping not too many people get killed.

Sorry, this is nowhere near good enough to ask a soldier to put his life on the line.

Ross,
You really ought to acknowledge and wrestle with the widespread contention (not just apparent in this thread) that ethnic cleansing and negotation with individual factions contributed significantly, if not decisively, to the drop in violence.