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Can Conservatives Govern?

30 Jul 2008 12:42 pm

Sometimes, yes. Via David Frum (and not, as he points out, the front page of either the Times or the Post), the latest figures show that homelessness dropped by 12 percent between 2005 and 2007, with a particularly sharp decrease in the "chronically homeless" population. As Frum notes, a large share of the credit should probably go to the Bush Administration's homelessness czar, Philip Mangano, whose innovative approach to the problem earned him a profile in the Atlantic four years back:

Mangano believes that many professional activists, though well intentioned, have given up on ending homelessness. They have accepted the problem as intractable and fallen back on social work and handouts as a way to make broken lives more bearable. In doing so, he says, they have allowed "a certain amount of institutionalism" to take root. The Bush Administration proposes to solve the problem by beginning with the hardest cases: the 10 percent who are severe addicts or mentally ill, and consume half of all resources devoted to homeless shelters. Mangano believes that by moving these chronic cases into "supportive housing"--a private room or apartment where they would receive support services and psychotropic medications--the government could actually save money, and free up tens of thousands of shelter beds.
And sure enough, four years later ...

Housing officials say the statistics, which are collected annually from more than 3,800 cities and counties, may reflect better data collection and some variation in the number of communities reporting. But officials also attribute much of the decline to a policy shift promoted by Congress and the administration that has focused federal and local resources on finding stable housing for homeless people suffering from drug addiction, mental illness or physical disabilities, long deemed the hardest to help in the homeless population.
In Grand New Party, we cited the Bush Administration's homelessness policy as a possible bright spot in an otherwise lackluster domestic-policy record, and an example of the sort of "applied neoconservatism" that the Right desperately needs - a politics that seeks ways to reform the welfare state in conservative directions, rather than just me-tooing liberalism or demanding government's abolition. It's good to see at least modest evidence that we were right.

Comments (32)

I see the difference between accepting homelessness and providing some services that soften the harshness of it vs. getting the homeless into private apartments with social services and meds. But I'm not seeing the difference between the latter and "handouts". Is the idea that these are better targeted handouts? If so, this just seems like better government services rather than gov't services "tilted in a conservative direction". Is the fact that the subsidies are for rent in private apartments, rather than publicly-owned buildings, the difference?

Sounds great. I'm missing in what sense this is reform "in a conservative direction," however. Most liberals would prefer more efficient social service strategies, where they are available.

If GNP is full of this sort of stuff, great. Just don't be surprised if the Democrats steal your idea, fund it with greater enthusiasm, and run it with greater expertise.

This is just the exception that proves the rule. And since it was Saint Reagan who oversaw the explosion of homelessness in the first place, isn't Ross going to be accused of heresy here?

I agree with DKE and Matt. Perhaps you could explain what about these programs a liberal would object to and what specifically makes these a conservative program.

Yes matt, Democrats are experts at poorly run government programs. No one will dispute that.

I wonder if anything happened in 2005 that might have led to a spike in the number of homeless Americans.

And what a typical Ross post! Someone does something typically liberal (supportive, stable housing for addicts and the mentally ill), and Ross pretends that it has something to do with, um, some absurd, made up "applied neoconservatism."

Good luck winning elections with this silliness.

and not, as he points out, the front page of either the Times or the Post)

Never mind whether conservatives can govern; my question is whether they can do *anything* without whining.

I agree with Mr. Crabby pants. I would also remark that "Ferrel"'s remarks about liberals and poorly run government are ludicrous.

At a larger level, what key signs do we see of well run "conservative" government?

Katrina? Iraq? Afghanistan? Corruption in military procurement?

Ted Stevens? Tom Delay?

What?

I see that others have done my work for me here, so I'll just say that DKE and matt are spot on.

and an example of the sort of "applied neoconservatism"


What, they deal with homelessness in New York by invading Finland?

Tim Conor -

To paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke, Republicans say government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it. I don't disagree. Signs of well-run government aren't plentiful for either side.

I'm down with matt and DKE.

It's great that Mangano had the insight to target the hardest cases. I hope he continues in public service.

I don't understand what is specifically conservative, let alone neo-conservative, about doing so.

Can you explain?

Thanks -

Nothing to explain Russell, except Ross is full of shit.

He's took something which seems to succeed, is completely atypical of liberals or conservatives and then claims success for his half-assed book, ignoring the bits that he stole from Sailer.

it's ridiculous.

It's also interesting that the study ends at the height of the housing bubble. You know, that time when people were getting magic loans to afford houses they couldn't pay for. Let me know the homeless rate for 2008 and how it compares before we call this an unabashed success.

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Agreed: there is nothing conservative, neo or otherwise, about a concerted policy instigated at the Federal level to try new things to help out homeless, drug addicted folks using federal money. Helping to provide 'homes' or rooms for homeless: Wow, what a conservative way to go about this problem! Why didn't the liberals think of it! Too fixated on hand outs for oppressed minorities, I suppose. Gosh darn.

Matt D.'s slick statement that lefty social services types had given up on the problem is the kind of BS I've come to expect from most of the pundits on the right, alas, including Matt D.

But let's be fair: this gives me a much better perspective on Dubya's legacy. What a compassionate conservative!

Mangano's approach reveals that the largest handouts occur when communities ignore homeless people who cycle through emergency rooms, hospitals, jails, the courts and other expensive public systems. The numbers speak for themselves. Doing nothing costs tax payers between $35K & $150K per person per year vs. the $13K to $25K per person per year it costs to provide housing with services. It doesn't take Warren Buffet to figure out which is the better investment.

Mangano's approach reveals that the largest handouts occur when communities ignore homeless people who cycle through emergency rooms, hospitals, jails, the courts and other expensive public systems. The numbers speak for themselves. Doing nothing costs tax payers between $35K & $150K per person per year vs. the $13K to $25K per person per year it costs to provide housing with services. It doesn't take Warren Buffet to figure out which is the better investment.

The Bush legacy of governing, cons: Iraq. Bin Laden escaping. Katrina. Exploding budget deficit. Soldiers sitting in squalor in privatized hospitals.

The Bush legacy of governing, pros: The homeless rate dropped a little bit during a housing bubble.

Ross: See, conservatism rules! Anything good just shows how my book is awesome.

It's posts like this that make me think Ross goes around saying things like, "Gee-willickers."

Reality Man writes: "It's posts like this that make me think Ross goes around saying things like, "Gee-willickers.""

Read the Swimming With Buckley piece. It's even worse than you think.

focused federal and local resources on finding stable housing for homeless people suffering from drug addiction, mental illness or physical disabilities, long deemed the hardest to help in the homeless

The homeless population is small (at most about 600,000) and providing subsistence for them within the capabilities of philanthropies assisted by local police, so federal involvement would seem gratuitous. If there are schizophrenics who belong in supervised apartment buildings or asylums and cripples who qualify for federal disability benefits, it would seem that social workers employed by the Salvation Army and like agencies in conjunction with the local police would be well placed to identify them and steer them to where they ought to be. You are still going to have people who will exercise their free will and refuse to re-enter the world of working people (if they be able) and refuse to stop boozing and taking street drugs. Providing them with a meal of bulgar wheat and a bed in a flop house is about the best you can do, and that is something that does not require the services of the federal civil service. Have the federal authorities concern themselves with income distribution, mitigating economic recessions, and portable pensions and indemnities, and let more particular authorities address more particular problems.

Isn't the more plausible explanation that this is a policy area Bush has no interest whatever in, and he appointed a guy who had some innovative ideas and since nobody in the administration gave a damn, he was able to accomplish some stuff?

I agree with everyone who says there's nothing obviously conservative about this approach, but I resist drawing any lessons beyond the priorities of this particular administration.

Ross deserves the shit he is getting in comment thread, but let me try to defend him. Just a bit.

Mangano is trying, as far as I can see, to resurrect New Deal needs-based liberal social programs, to replace Great Society rights-based liberal social programs. In this particular context, I think he has a good idea. And if "conservatism" means not-rights-based, I think that Ross has a point.

But he didn't argue this point. If he did, he would be in the strange position of arguing that Roosevelt was a conservative. I can see the argument (it is somewhat redolent of Burke), but I don't see the point to making this argument. If he wins, he has just proven that about 60% of the Democratic Party is conservative, and maybe just 5% of the Republicans.

But that's Ross Douthat for you. A Burkean, perhaps, but a programmatic Democrat. There is a strong Burkean strand in the Democratic Party. Why doesn't he join us? He would be an ornament to our right wing.

I also love the standard dig at the Post and Times. Do conservatives have a little macro button they can press to do that? At least Frum has also enabled the required retraction macro for when they are inevitably wrong. Ross should ask to borrow some of those RedState 3.0 programmers to help him enable it too.

Time magazine has an article on the decrease in homelessness. It's titled "Defining 'Homelessness' Down".

Is that really an accomplishment?

Two large items put a damper on the right-wing wonder.

1. As Newseek reported on July 26, "Even as the foreclosure crisis pushes some low income families into shelters, chronic homeless rates are shrinking thanks in part to the foreclosed and vacant buildings social-service agencies can now afford to buy......Historically, economic downturns are good for the homeless, just as booms tend to be bad."

2. As Time points out on July 30, the "drop" is also a result of a usual case of Bush Administration statistical manipulation:

"There is a rather large asterisk on the new data, however, the result of an ongoing effort to more narrowly define who is actually considered homeless. This is the third annual national HUD count, and in previous years, some cities had been counting families who were living two families to an apartment, for example, or those living in RVs, as homeless. This year, they weren't. This count, say the report's authors, is the most successful to date in tallying only those who were actually in shelters or on the streets — the official HUD definition of a homeless person."

Even if the change in methodology is justified, taking credit for the resultant "drop in homelessness" is shameless.

Tom0063: Both Newsweek and Time got it wrong. The decreases are due to jurisdictional planning and investing, with Federal support, in housing with services. There are places you can visit to see this for yourself across the country. Direct Access to Housing in San Francisco, 1811 Eastlake in Seatlle, and Common Ground in NYC to name a few. Furthermore, the decrease is based on an apples to apples comparison of numbers of chronically homeless people as currently defined over the time period. The decline is not due to a narrower definition, as that has remained the same since Mangano was appointed years ago. You'll have to find other excuses to ignore the fact that progress indeed is being made.

"The decreases are due to jurisdictional planning and investing, with Federal support, in housing with services. ... You'll have to find other excuses to ignore the fact that progress indeed is being made."

Again, what's "conservative" about this?

MCP: Mangano's approach is neither conservative or liberal, Democratic or Republican. Perhaps the spirit of his effort could be captured through his own words. "We are all simply Americans partnered to end a national disgrace."

Why don't we wait for some of the fall out from the prime mortgage foreclosure crisis before we start lauding the Bush administration as having reduced homelessness.

'Cause I can guarantee you, the numbers are gonna rise.

And curious: What about Katrina? Were those numbers figured into homelessness rates?

cnnr wonders: "What about Katrina? Were those numbers figured into homelessness rates?"

What, a formaldehyde-laced trailer doesn't count as a home these days?

cnnr: No doubt we must keep tabs on the current foreclosure crisis, and the job is far from done on this issue. But we must also keep relying on what the data reveals, assure that the data keeps coming, and that it be more and more reliable over time.

Also, I wouldn't be so certain that the current foreclosure mess will lead to substantial increases in homelessness, as the flip side of that coin is the immense opportunity homeless housing providers now have to acquire some of these homes at deep discounts from lenders now left in a lurch. Time will certainly tell.

And lastly, though I am certain that Mangano and the Bush Administration played a key role in getting to these initial reductions, without the hundreds of local efforts over the last few years - many led by elected officials from the other side of the aisle - we would definitely not have seen these results.

So, yes, I'm not hesitant to credit the Bush Administration, but I'm also not hesitant to credit San Francisco Mayor Newsom, New York Mayor Bloomberg, Chicago Mayor Daley, Miami Mayor Diaz, Atlanta Mayor Franklin, Denver Mayor Hickenlooper, Portland Mayor Potter, Sacramento Mayor Fargo and many others who have proven that homelessness does indeed yield to solutions.