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Gopnik on Chesterton (I)

29 Jul 2008 02:22 pm

I've been meaning to say something for a while about Adam Gopnik's recent New Yorker essay (not online, unfortunately) on G.K. Chesterton, which I didn't find nearly as excellent as Rod Dreher did. Gopnik is of course a brilliant writer in his way, but his way tends, as Rick Brookhiser aptly put it, to make his own sensibility the measure of all things. He's a classic example of the cosmopolitan as provincial: He has something clever to say about everything under the sun, but where something more than cleverness is called for he's often at a loss, or else inappropriately facile. His breadth is astonishing, his depth considerably less so; he's a liberal ironist who often seems unable to imagine how anyone could have ever been anything else. This means that he's precisely the right man to explain, say, a Parisian restaurant war to an American audience, or to gently mock the over-enthusiastic reception that greeted the Gospel of Judas. And it makes him a fine guide to G.K. Chesterton the literary stylist, where both his praise and his criticisms seem to me judicious and on point. Where other aspects of Chesterton are concerned, though ... well, not so much.

I'll start with his lengthy attack on Chesterton's "Jew-hating," which culminates in this peculiar passage:

The insistence that Chesterton's anti-Semitism needs to be understood "in the context of his time" defines the problem, because his time-from the end of the Great War to the mid-thirties-was the time that led to the extermination of the European Jews. In that context, his jocose stuff is even more sinister than his serious stuff. He claims that he can tolerate Jews in England, but only if they are compelled to wear "Arab" clothing, to show that they are an alien nation. Hitler made a simpler demand for Jewish dress, but the idea was the same. Of course, there were, tragically and ironically, points of contact between Chesterton and Zionism. He went to Jerusalem in 1920 and reported back on what he found among the nascent Zionists, whom he liked: he wanted them out of Europe and so did they; he wanted Jews to be turned from rootless cosmopolitans into rooted yeomen, and so did they.

Chesterton wasn't a fascist, and he certainly wasn't in favor of genocide, but that is about the best that can be said for him-and is surely less of a moral accomplishment than his admirers would like. He did speak out, toward the end of his life, against the persecution in Nazi Germany, writing that he was "appalled by the Hitlerite atrocities," that "they have absolutely no reason or logic behind them," that "I am quite ready to believe now that Belloc and I will die defending the last Jew in Europe." Yet he insisted, "I still think there is a Jewish problem," and he denounced Hitler in the context of a wacky argument that Nazism is really a form of "Prussianism," which is really a form of Judaism; that is, a belief in a chosen, specially exalted people.
But the whole point of the "in the context of his times" argument is precisely that by the standards of the '20s and '30s, it was morally impressive for a political writer to reject both fascism and communism, to praise Zionism, and to speak out forcefully against Nazi anti-Semitism - and not in its eliminationist phase, but in its very earliest stages. (Chesterton died in 1936.) This does not excuse Chesterton's anti-Semitism by any means, but it makes him an odd target, out of all the writers and thinkers of that period, to single out for particular opprobrium. Here I think Gopnik is indulging the chauvinism of hindsight: The assumption that everyone who partook of the attitudes that helped make the Holocaust possible should be judged and condemned on the basis of what we know now, rather than what they knew then. It's the Goldhagen approach to assigning culpability, in which even people who opposed Hitler - even people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who died fighting him - are to be judged, and harshly, if they failed to live up the standards that Western society only adopted after the Holocaust provided a terrible example of where these thoughts and impulses can lead.

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, it's worth pointing out that a great many opponents of slavery in the United States, Abraham Lincoln included, were racists in much the same way that Chesterton was an anti-Semite - possessed of ideas about black inferiority, the necessity of the separation of the races, and so on and so forth, that look morally abominable to us today. But it would be at least mildly peculiar to attack Lincoln, let alone the more strident abolitionists of that era, on the grounds that by saying that their racism needs to be understood in the context of their times we're just "defining the problem," because their time was the time when slavery was at its zenith. It was, sure - and they were the ones opposing it! Now of course Hitler had many critics purer than G.K. Chesterton, and Zionism had champions less bigoted - but not so many, in that dark time, that we can deny Chesterton at least a modicum of credit for getting certain big things right.

As for Chesterton's parallel between "Prussianism" and the conception of the Jews as a chosen race - well, Gopnik can call it "wacky" if he likes, but the notion that Nazi racial theories, and especially the half-baked attempt to forge an "Aryan Christianity" purged of Judaic elements, were rooted in jealousy and imitation of the Jews as well as hatred strikes me as a subtle and important point. (In George Steiner's instantly-controversial novella The Portage to San Cristobal of A.H., he places exactly this argument in Adolf Hitler's mouth - and not, I think, merely in an attempt to dismiss it.) Indeed, I think the parallel is useful for understanding not only the Nazis but a wide variety of contemporary race-based theologies - from black liberation theology, to take a much-in-the-news example, to the more Arabist strains within Islam - that seek to claim for their ethnicity the particular favor that God has bestowed upon the Jews. Obvious, this sort of argument is outside Gopnik's intellectual comfort zone. But that's a problem with his narrow frame of reference, not the argument itself.

Comments (35)

"Gopnik is indulging the chauvinism of hindsight: The assumption that everyone who partook of the attitudes that helped make the Holocaust possible should be judged and condemned on the basis of what we know now, rather than what they knew then."

Judged not on the basis of right and wrong but on the basis of what they, given their culture and place in history, knew? Who knew that Ross was such a relativist?

Can anyone please point me to a primary source that conclusively shows that Lincoln was, as Ross states, a white supremacist? Granted, Lincoln opposed interracial marriage, but that unfortunate position does not depend on a belief in racial superiority. And initially, black soldiers in the Union Army were paid three dollars less per month than white soldiers... until Lincoln ordered that they pay be equal. Lincoln also entertained the notion, with tragic consequences, of black migration, suggesting he held a pessimistic belief regarding the prospects of racial harmony, but again, this hardly indicates a belief in the superiority of whites over blacks. Most of the primary documentation indicates that Lincoln, in his personal relations, treated everyone equally and held radically progressive views on the rights of women and minorities. What I'm getting at is Lincoln may have held positions that are consequentially racist, but that he himself, as far as the primary documentation indicates, was not a white supremacist a la Thomas Jefferson.

Meanwhile, Chesterton's antisemitism positions were inherently racial as he supported different dress for English Jews to indicate their foreign roots even knowing by his time the United Kingdom had already had an ethnically Jewish Prime Minister.

So, what we have here is an analogy between two men, one who had at the time clearly progressive positions on race that, after his death, were deemed too radical for the mainstream U.S., and another who clearly held a view on race that was regressive even in his own time.

Apparently a post now has to conform to GOP standards to pass the censor.

was my post removed because I said Lincoln was not a racist, or because Sailer is?

gee, I wonder.

Good question, James. Mine was apparently removed because I said it was comically odd that Ross would accuse another writer of having a narrow frame of reference.

I just can't help but think that this type of essay has become the canonical way of doing lit crit at least since Larkin.

Easy steps:

1) Talk about the writer's writing.
2) Mention that he's a racist.
3) Talk about why that racism is better/worse than you think.
4) Briefly return to the writing.

No one feels any need to put Chesterton onto trial for his obesity, nor do we feel compelled to posthumously judge Graham Greene for his adultery, but every author gets put through the racial wringer. I don't understand.

Tim Dees writes: "No one feels any need to put Chesterton onto trial for his obesity, nor do we feel compelled to posthumously judge Graham Greene for his adultery, but every author gets put through the racial wringer. I don't understand."

Um... yeah. It's not like anti-Semitism was a big deal in the 20th century or anything. Let's talk about how fat writers may have been instead.

Sheesh.

Berger nailed it in the first comment.

Ross made some sharp observations in this post, but it's notably an argument in favor of interpreting history through a relativistic frame. And this dash of relativism (making moral judgments against the standards of a time and place, rather than against eternal, transcendent values) doesn't really square with his usual shtick.

It would seem that Ross is objecting less to the provincialism of Gopnik's piece than he is to its "liberal cosmopolitanism."

Ross,
Your tortured logic employed to defend one of your ideological heroes is nauseating and sickening.

Cheers to Adam Gopnik for taking on G.K. Chesterton's vile anti-semitism!

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending Chesterton's delusional views.

On this blog, you routinely try to pass yourself off as a reasonable, rational, sensible, clear-thinking conservative.

With this post, you've shown your true colors. You're every bit as repulsive and hateful as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly,
Joe Scarborough, Ann Coulter and all of the other fire-breathing right wing lunatics.


Brian says: "You're every bit as repulsive and hateful as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly,
Joe Scarborough, Ann Coulter and all of the other fire-breathing right wing lunatics."

To be fair, I have to say Scarborough has distanced himself somewhat from that group.

I don't know where he stands on Steve Sailer, though.

Others have brought up an excellent point. Those who attack Chesterton are often notably lacking in their criticism of far fouler statements from others of Chesterton's era. H. G. Wells has gotten off particularly lightly for his views, views that even he admitted smacked of Hitler. What follows is from a book I edited. Keep in mind that Chesterton was one of the earliest and most vocal critics of the Aryan/Teutonist ideology that seduced so many Englishmen in the late 19th century and prefigured Nazi racism. Also note that, although Wells' schemes were different from those of Hitler, for those who refused to change, who refused to adapt to the economic, religious, and social policies of Wells' World State, the result would be the same: State mandated extinction within one or two generations.

BEGIN QUOTE:

In those days, the deep-seated racism of Wells and those who believed like him was in the open for all to see. In his 1934 Experiment in Autobiography Wells was quite candid about that.

"It was made a matter of general congratulation about me that I was English . . . and my mind had leapt all to readily to the idea that I was a blond and blue-eyed Nordic, quite the best make of human being known. . . . We English, by sheer native superiority, practically without trying, had possessed ourselves of an Empire on which the sun never set, and through the errors and infirmities of other races were being forced slowly but steadily--and quite modestly--toward world dominion. . . . In those days I had ideas about Aryans extraordinarily like Mr. Hitler's. The more I hear of him the more I am convinced that his mind is almost the twin of my thirteen year old mind in 1879; but heard through a megaphone and--implemented. I do not know from what books I caught my first glimpse of the Great Aryan People going to and fro in the middle plains of Europe . . . Their ultimate triumphs everywhere squared accounts with the Jews, against which people I had a subconscious dissatisfaction because of their disproportionate share of Holy Writ. I thought Abraham, Isaac, Moses and David loathsome creatures and fit associates for Our Father, but unlike Hitler I had no feelings about the contemporary Jew."4

Whatever Wells may have felt about Jews as a youth--he obviously linked his hostility toward them to his hatred of Christianity--it is clear that as a world-famous writer he had little good to say about them. In Anticipations he described many of them as "very ugly," "intensely vulgar in dress and bearing, materialistic in thought, and cunning and base in method," and favoring their own people "against the stranger"5 (as do virtually all groups). But when Wells wrote that his World State would treat the Jew "as any other man," he was telling the truth. His future society would judge all individuals, races and classes by the same brutal standard. It would permit those who pass to continue to reproduce. On the other hand:

"It will, I have said, make the multiplication of those who fall behind a certain standard of social efficiency unpleasant and difficult, and it will have cast aside any coddling laws to save adult men from themselves. It will tolerate no dark corners where the people of the Abyss may fester, no vast diffused slums of peasant proprietors, no stagnant plague preserves."6

In short, the Jew would be judged by the same rules as others but special attention would be paid to accusations that, "the Jew is incurably a parasite on the apparatus of credit." When the World State ended the loaning of money at interest (the essence of capitalism), it would test, in proper evolutionary fashion, if Jews could adapt to a new environment. "If the Jew has a certain incurable tendency to social parasitism, and we make social parasitism impossible, we shall abolish the Jew; and if he has not, there is no need to abolish the Jew."7 Like many liberals, Wells did seem to believe that Jews would adapt and believed that adaptation would lead to their disappearance "in a century or so" as a "physically distinct element in human affairs."8 This cultural genocide certainly differed from Hitler's more violent schemes, but it offered no comfort to those Jews (or any other group) who wanted to retain their own unique identity in defiance of the World State. In particular, Wellsian multiculturalism had no tolerance for Judeo-Christian culture.

4. H. G. Wells, Experiment in Autobiography (New York, 1934), 72–74. Much like the feminist Gilman (Chapter XXII) and the Unitarian Rev. Potter (see the Preface), Wells’ anti-Semitism was closely linked to a hatred for the Bible.
5. Anticipations, 273.
6. Anticipations, 272.
7. Anticipations, 272–73.
8. Anticipations, 274. On the other hand, when Wells was confronted with undeniable, first-person evidence of Nazi exterminations, he tried to put the blame on the Jews themselves. Jan Karski was a member of the Polish resistance who was sent out to bear witness of Nazi persecution. When he told Wells what he had seen, the author replied, “Mr. Karski, there is room for very serious research on the subject: What are the reasons that in every country the Jews reside, sooner or later, anti-Semitism emerges? Have you thought about that?” E. Thomas Wood, Karski: How One Man Tried to Stop the Holocaust (New York: J. Wiley & Sons, 1994), 217–218.

QUOTED FROM: The Pivot of Civilization in Historical Perspective, p. 33-34.

Understand the ideological culture of early twentieth century England, a culture in which many educated people took as a matter of course the racial superiority of their Aryan forebearers, and Chesterton, who loathed that sort of nonsense and never passed up an opportunity to ridicule it, becomes one of Nazism first foes, a foe who was speaking out against Nazism's racial ideas before Nazism existed. For more on that, you'll need to see my new book on Chesterton's views about war.There you'll find that those who're trying to make Chesterton into an anti-Semite are missing the point. The one people he really loathed were the Prussians, and for precisely the reasons that would cause Nazism, during its rise to power, to do so well politically in the Prussian areas of Germany. At the end of WWI, he was calling on all of Europe to force Germany to rid itself of its Prussian-led mindset, warning that if that was not done, within a generation there would be another European war that would make the first look like nothing. In 1932 he predicted that Germany would find itself a dictator and that the next war would break out over a border dispute with Poland, precisely what happened in 1939.

--Michael W. Perry, editor of Chesterton on War and Peace: Battling the Ideas and Movements that Led to Nazism and World War II.

I recently finished "The Ball and Cross." It had some nice things to say about human nature vs. empiricism, and like "The Man Who Was Thursday" there are some fun adventure pieces.

But it also suffers from a bit of the Ayn Rand school of political novel writing. Most of the characters who aren't Turnbull and McIan are cartoons, characaturs of people with politics Chesterton didn't agree with. And the first person to stand between the two heroes is a crafty porn-selling jew.

"I have suggested that the sunset light made everything lovely. To say that it made the keeper of the curiosity shop lovely would be a tribute to it perhaps too extreme. It would easily have made him beautiful if he had been merely squalid; if he had been a Jew of the Fagin type. But he was a Jew of a much less admirable type; a Jew with a very well sounding name. For there are no hard tests for separating the tares and wheat of any people; one rude but efficient guide is that the nice Jew is called Moses Solomon, and the nasty Jew is called Thornton Percy."

Chesterton's racism was the sort that can't abide any people who don't fit neatly into his stereotypes of how people of a certain sort should behave. It's a cousin of "Oh why can't more blacks on television be like that nice Wayne Brady."

His Father Brown stories suffered from this too. There are these really bizarre moments where the otherwise unobtrustive and restrained Father Brown suddenly goes on tirades against the devilish yellow man of the east.

I like a lot of his writing otherwise, so I suppose it goes to show what a pervasive sickness real racism can be when it can taint an otherwise impressive body of work as Chesterton's.

Three points on Gopnik
1. The worst thing -- by far -- about his review is that it gives away the ending of The Man Who Was Thursday. What the hell?!
2. Gopnik touches on the element of Chesterton's anti-semitism that is interesting: not that it took place 'in the context' of incipient fascism, but that it arises naturally from an anti-cosmopolitanism and localism. The idea, basically, is that a) cosmopolitanism is illusory, and b) you can't have two constitutive identities. This is not a crazy position, but it is a very interesting claim to see advanced by an English Catholic.
3. Chesterton by no means alone in perceiving a tension between 'outsider' identity and being fully English. Consider this line from Saki's When William Came (a novel describing a England conquered by Germany:

“There are even more of them [Jews in London] now than there used to be,” said Holham. “I am to a great extent a disliker of Jews myself, but I will be fair to them, and admit that those of them who were in any genuine sense British have remained British and have stuck by us loyally in our misfortune; all honour to them. But of the others, the men who by temperament and everything else were far more Teuton or Polish or Latin than they were British, it was not to be expected that they would be heartbroken because London had suddenly lost its place among the political capitals of the world, and became a cosmopolitan city."

You could find a number of other examples of this sentiment. I'm Jewish and read a fair bit of English literature of the period -- it's all over.

One point about this comment thread:
1. As per expectation, the usual trolls are boring and trollish. What's in it for you guys?

I think you'll find your comment falls foul of the policy too, Ken, so your glee may be temporary.

Ben A, if the original comment had remained, it was stating both that there is no evidence of racism by Lincoln, as Matthew mentioned, and that Ross tends to retrospectively denounce, ie when it has no real importance.

e.g. Buckley with segregation, but not that he wanted AIDs victims tattooed. And in the same tone, it's clear to Ross that 19th century Lincoln was a racist, but 21st century Steve Sailer isn't.

Much easier to take a stand when everyone is dead.

Also, Anti-Semitism was hardly abstract if you lived in London, with Mosley and the battle of Cable Street and the like. It was clear what was really meant.

Can we be honest with ourselves?

There are degrees of Anti-semitism just as there are degrees of racism. Not all bigotry is created equal.

Perhaps we should recognize that there is a difference between telling a jewish joke, joining a racist organization, and wishing to exterminate everyone of jewish faith.

Oftentimes while one view may lead to progessively darker views. (the joke teller joins the national alliance and becomes virulently anti-semetic). It does not necissarily follow that because a person has anti-semetic or African-American prejudice that they wish for the destruction of or even hate all members of a particular group.

Yes the context of Chesterton's time was the same context that led to the holocaust. However Anti-semetism and jew-baiting had been around long before the holocaust. Medieval Christians believed that jews ate christian children during the passover Seder. The difference between Chesterton's Anti-semetism and German anti-semetism during the holocaust is the governmental framework under which they took place.
The holocaust was a product of Anti-semetism and the belief that certain elements of the population were not people but enemies of the people. In this respect the soviet terror and the german holocaust have much in common.

Bigotry never by itself produces events like the holocaust. Rather bigotry must align with bureacracy in order to begin exterminating people.

Everyone has been guilty of an ism from time to time. We have to admit that in order to move forward.

I find Douthat's judgment that "where something more than cleverness is called for [Gopnik]'s often at a loss" is particularly clearly supported by the following sentence in Gopnik's essay on Chesterton's Catholicism:

It is hard to credit that even a convinced Catholic can feel equally strongly about St. Francis's intuitive mysticism and St. Thomas's pedantic religiosity, as Chesterton seems to.

I am an atheist myself, but having read Chesterton on both St. Francis and St. Thomas, it is clear to me that his attachment to the Catholic Church rested precisely on the fact that it provided a structure which could reconcile and glorify both the poetic mysticism of St. Francis and the strict philosophical system of St. Thomas. Chesterton thought Catholicism was "sanity," because it purported to bring together art, reason, and faith into a single overarching truth.

To Chesterton, Francis without Thomas could well have been just an amiable lunatic, running naked through the fields and talking to the birds. It was Thomas the deep thinker who gave Chesterton confidence that it was not all mere emotion, but a reflection of the underlying truth about the world.

To dismiss St. Thomas's philosophy as "pedantic religiosity" reflects the fact that Gopnik has only a very superficial acquaintance with that work and with its influence on later generations of Catholic thinkers.

Diracian, I think Lonergan would Agree with you.

An assumption in this debate is that racism is any criticism of someone based on their ethncity. Say something bad about a Jew or a Frenchman because he is a Jew or Frenchman then you are racist. To be consistent with this view then praising someone because of their ethnicity is also racist. Or is making ethnically based compliments OK?

Ultimately, the issue is whether any generalisations about ethnic or national identity can be valid.

The modern view a la Gopnik scours through a writers work and lights up when a race-based criticsm is used. Then the writer is dismissed not just for the particular "racism" but is written off completely as a writer.

Whether we like race-based comments or not - they are real. They are a part of how we see the world - perceiving trends and shared characteristics is just as important as perceiving the individual differences within trends and shared characteristics.

Chesterton is full of race-based generalisations -he noted good Jewish characteristics and he noted negative qualities. He was much more critical of the English race than he ever was of the Jewish people.

The holocaust was an horrendous tragedy that remains an open wound for all humanity.

The best way to ensure that it never happens again is not to close our eyes to the qualities, values and trends of nations but to keep a close and critical eye on them.

Chesterton was one of the first to perceive the ultimate direction of Germany's "Prussianism". This was because he was sensitive to ethnic and national trends - not because, he ended discussion at the merest hint of ethnic criticism.

This modern blindness and repulsion at debating ethnic issues fairly is a reversed form of racism that means another "imperialistic" nation may well emerge, disguising its true intention behind
language that panders to the naieve sensibilities of today's narrow watchdogs of humanity.

There are degrees of racism and antisemitism, sure, but Ross didn't put Chesterton's up against that of his contemporaries such as H.G. Wells. He used an analogy that placed Chesterton's desire to see Jews as clearly distinguished second-class citizen on par with Lincoln's views of African-Americans, even knowing Chesterton's ideas would have been tremendously regressive for English Jews and Lincoln's policies were tremendously beneficial to African-Americans.

Chesterton's support of Zionism was not at all incompatible with anti-Semitism or necessarily praiseworthy. Many anti-Semites supported Zionism as a way of getting the Jews out of Europe. Early Zionists knew this, and openly appealed to anti-Semites on this basis.

gerry forde writes: "The best way to ensure that it never happens again is not to close our eyes to the qualities, values and trends of nations but to keep a close and critical eye on them.

Chesterton was one of the first to perceive the ultimate direction of Germany's "Prussianism". This was because he was sensitive to ethnic and national trends - not because, he ended discussion at the merest hint of ethnic criticism.

This modern blindness and repulsion at debating ethnic issues fairly is a reversed form of racism that means another "imperialistic" nation may well emerge, disguising its true intention behind
language that panders to the naieve sensibilities of today's narrow watchdogs of humanity."

Who exactly are the straw men here who you think are "ending discussion," chuckles? Is it "ending discussion" to point out that Steve Sailer is a white supremacist and that the prevailing ideology in this country under Dumbya Bush had a racist undercurrent and a definite imperialist bent? Let me know.

Moe/Larry and Jesus writes: "Who exactly are the straw men here who you think are "ending discussion," chuckles? Is it "ending discussion" to point out that Steve Sailer is a white supremacist and that the prevailing ideology in this country under Dumbya Bush had a racist undercurrent and a definite imperialist bent? Let me know."

"Debate fairly" is the key word Moe. True racism is projecting all your own inadequacies and fears onto another outside race, making them the embodiment of everything evil.

For sure there is a lot of that in Bush's foreign policy. But then Bush himself has now become the embodiment of everything evil for his opponents. And the tone you get with people on the high horse of "racism" is just as aggressive and one-sided as the very people they are attacking.

It's the simplistic search for one bad stereotypical enemy that we can blame all the evil of the world on rather than face it within ourselves.

We rant and rave about how terrible human slavery is - then we buy goods from China and Africa subsidised by a similar economic slavery.

Who are the straw men, Moe?

We are.

Sound similar to Chesterton's reply to a request to submit his view on what is wrong with the world. He gave the shortest reply.

"I am."

The danger is that while we are so narrow and so bitter and so engrossed with one enemy we are perpetrating other evils just as bad.

gerry forde replies: "For sure there is a lot of that in Bush's foreign policy. But then Bush himself has now become the embodiment of everything evil for his opponents. And the tone you get with people on the high horse of "racism" is just as aggressive and one-sided as the very people they are attacking.

It's the simplistic search for one bad stereotypical enemy that we can blame all the evil of the world on rather than face it within ourselves.

We rant and rave about how terrible human slavery is - then we buy goods from China and Africa subsidised by a similar economic slavery.

Who are the straw men, Moe? "

I don't view Dumbya as the one enemy at all, gerry, so pontificate towards someone else. He's just one of many.

I'd have more to say to you if you actually were saying anything. Perhaps later.

Kenny kills: "Useful for posting proper quotes. You know, that gray box up there that always seems to perplex you and your anencephaly? (Go look it up.)"

I didn't have to, chuckles. But it would have worked better if you'd used "microcephaly." Just ask your mom why she had an easy time when you were born and it may be clear even to you.

There's no doubt that H.G. Wells, although a good writer, was a person of extremely nasty views who is absurdly regarded by many even today as a liberal or champion of freedom. Viewed objectively instead of through an anti-Christian or anti-Catholic lens, Chesterton's views hold up far better.

Nonetheless, I don't think it's accurate to say that only moderns regard Chesterton as an anti-Semite. I've read at least one book written by a Jew in the 1920s that mentions Chesterton in passing as a known anti-Semite (although perhaps the author meant Cecil Chesterton; no first name was given). George Orwell, writing on anti-Semitism in literature in the 1940s, also accused Chesterton of anti-Semitism. They may have been right or they may have been wrong, but the accusation was not invented in 2008.

James Kabala writes: "There's no doubt that H.G. Wells, although a good writer, was a person of extremely nasty views who is absurdly regarded by many even today as a liberal or champion of freedom. Viewed objectively instead of through an anti-Christian or anti-Catholic lens, Chesterton's views hold up far better."

Oh, come on. I can't recall the last time I saw anyone on the left drooling over Wells. I see righties waxing orgasmically about Saint Chesty every other day. There's no comparison.

Judged not on the basis of right and wrong but on the basis of what they, given their culture and place in history, knew? Who knew that Ross was such a relativist?

Posted by berger

And who know that the left were such believers in timeless moral truths?

(No, I don't include the lefts timeless belief in their own moral wonderfulness as one of those truths.)

A number of posters seem to be making a "modern" mistake, equating anyone who makes a distinction between various peoples without a lot of multicultural genuflecting as a racist. That's nonsense. Chesterton saw almost all distinctions as cultural and religious, and unless those differences were evil, as with the Prussians, he delighted in them, criticizing those who'd level out those differences.

Take for instance these remarks from an October 1917 article he wrote critical of an newspaper, allegedly from Switzerland, that carried pro-German propaganda:

QUOTE
Another thing of which he complains is that I “suppressed” a series of complicated statements in illustration of his peculiarly contradictory argument to the effect that England is waging a mere war of race. I cannot see in any of them anything but repetition of the same singular inconsistency I noted — the attempt to urge the British use of coloured races to prove that the British cause is racial; whereas, of course, it quite obviously proves the opposite. It is as if he proved that we waged a religious war from the fact that we were in alliance with the deniers of our religion. But, since I am far from wishing to “suppress” such examples of Pro-German muddle- headedness, I will set out in full, and criticise in turn, the points which he complains of my suppressing. The following are the items which he takes as showing that the English cause is racial: —

“(1) English attempts to stigmatise Germans as a race apart, not as human beings, but as monsters.” I cannot make head or tail of this. From internal evidence, it may be inferred that the writer, like ourselves, supposes there to be some such people as the Germans, who can be collectively described as something. I cannot see why it should be more “racial” to describe them as monsters than to describe them as heroes, as they so frequently describe themselves. Personally, I should say that the modern monstrosity among Germans was not a result of race, but a result of culture — like Nero.

END QUOTE (Chesterton on War and Peace, p. 262)

Keep in mind that Chesterton liked the Romans and often credited them for much of the good in European civilization. But he recognized that the culture of any race could toss out a monster "like Nero," and that some nations were more likely to do so than others. You see that in a January 1918 article critical of those who opposed the formation of a Polish nation:

QUOTE
The Poles doubtless have their national faults, like other nations; but that such faults prevent them altogether from acting corporately is contradicted by the way in which they have constantly acted. Mr. Armstrong then adds, touching this matter of organisation, that it is “just here that the Germans have taught and can teach them much.” Certainly there are things the Poles could not do in any case, and about which I doubt whether any German has ever taught them anything. The Poles have never enjoyed that perfect social adjustment that made all the Prussian Professors write down the same sentence, as all the Prussian soldiers would make the same salute. The Poles are incapable of that clear organisation that makes it possible for a massacre of babies to begin at a certain signal, stop at another signal, and begin again at a third signal. Certainly they have not the German gift for organisation; and certainly the Germans might teach it, if the Poles would stoop to learn it.

END QUOTE (Chesterton on War and Peace, p. 348)

As I've said before, if any group wants to claim that Chesterton loathed them, it's those in that part of Germany once called Prussia. Their problem? All too much of his criticism of them, including this seemingly outlandish WWI remark about how well they'd organize a "massacre of babies," would be demonstrated as fact during the Second World War. Much of the horror of the Holocaust lies in its sheer organizational efficiency.

Last of all, consider this remark from the same October 1917 article quoted earlier. Again Chesterton is criticizing pro-German propaganda that assumes both the British and Germans share a similar perspective about race.

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The next two remarks may conveniently be quoted together.

“(4) The aforesaid multi-coloured savages of different races introduced upon European battlefields to slaughter and torture white men. (5) Refined German men and German women given over by the English to outrage at the hands of negroes in Africa, thus breaking down the barriers which all white men had until then united in maintaining against the blacks.” The second passage presents the contradiction in a most complicated and acute form. Incidentally, of course, I do not suppose that the English have given Germans over to Africans to be outraged; nor do I think the authority of “Sagittarius” sufficient to establish it: that bold archer, I suspect, makes use of rather a long bow. That negroes have inflicted cruelties on Germans is very possible, though they must be very black to be blacker than the cruelties which Germans have inflicted on negroes. But this is a parenthesis apart from the present question, which is whether the English wage a racial war. And on this he actually abuses the English for not doing what he is trying to prove that they do. Apparently his position amounts to this: If the English had united all white men against all black men, that would not be a race war. Because the English attacked some white men, with whom they happened to have a fair quarrel, with the assistance of some black men with whom they had no quarrel, that is what “Sagittarius” calls a race war. I do not know what more there is to be said.

END QUOTE (Chesterton on War and Peace, p. 263)

One final remark. Some have claimed that Chesterton was anti-Semitic because he wanted Jews to dress differently. To their ill-informed minds, that's the same thing is the Nazi requirement that they wear a yellow star.

They don't seem to have read much Chesterton. Chesterton loved drama and its outward trappings in clothing. He even adopted a personal costume of sorts, an Inverness cape and a sword cane. More importantly, in the Napoleon of Notting Hill, much of the fuss is about those who claim their ancient right to dress uniquely and display banners. For Chesterton, much of the joy of being different, was the opportunity it afforded to dress differently. I am Chesterton, I wear an Inverness cape. I am from Notting Hill and display red and yellow on my clothes. For him, that ability to dress differently was a right and a freedom, one that society was continually trying to crush. In that sense, he would have been delighted by the bell-bottomed jeans, long hair, and tie-dyed t-shirts of the "hippie" sixties.

Keep in mind that there's a rarely noted cultural divide in Western societies. For those who continue in the Judeo-Christian tradition, race is merely how God has dressed up humanity to make it more interesting. For those in the Darwinian tradition, race is the essence of our nature. It's why liberals think including a black man to Harvard's freshman class, whatever his background, is somehow adding "diversity" to the class. From a Darwinian perspective, a white is like a lion, with its light-tan fur, while a black is like a darkly furred panther. For a Darwinian, in biological terms external differences are always accompanied by deeper differences. And applied to humans, that's racism, however much it may be concealed.

And finally, in Darwinian terms, these races that are the essence of being are also engaged in a constant struggle with one another. We should never forget that the subtitle to Darwin's The Origin of Species is Or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. That's why the German propagandist was assuming that the British and Germans, being part of the same race, should stick together and not bring darker races into their disputes. It's also why Chesterton, who's neither a Darwinian nor a racist, considers that total bosh.

I can't say much more here, but lying at the heart of this dispute is the fact that many liberals have a world view (Darwinian) that is inherently racist and that is countered, at least on the surface, by their shrill anti-racist propaganda. They unfairly project their worldview on to others who don't share their POV, people who divide humanity into moral terms, often conditioned by culture, that transcend race. When this second group criticizes some behavior in another race or nationality, however justified that criticism might be, from the Darwinian perspective that criticism has to be racist and a reason that race has no right to exist. With their impoverished world view, they can think no other way.

Darwinian thinking, I might add, is totally amoral. The Origin of Species closes by loudly praising the biological benefits of famine and violent death. Genocide, in Darwinian terms, is the primary means of progress. From a Darwinian perspective, it's quibbling about details to discuss whether eliminating Jews, blacks or any other group will improve the "fitness" of humanity. The elimination itself is the closest Darwinian thinking can come to calling something good.

--Michael W. Perry, editor of Chesterton on War and Peace: Battling the Ideas and Movements that Led to Nazism and World War II

Mike Perry posts: "The Origin of Species closes by loudly praising the biological benefits of famine and violent death. Genocide, in Darwinian terms, is the primary means of progress. From a Darwinian perspective, it's quibbling about details to discuss whether eliminating Jews, blacks or any other group will improve the "fitness" of humanity. The elimination itself is the closest Darwinian thinking can come to calling something good."

This is the purest sort of wingnut swill - a deliberate misreading of Darwin's work.

But what else is new?

MoeLarryAndJesus: Is that the best you can do to respond to Michael Perry by calling him a "wingnut"? Why not try real argumentation rather than fallacious ad hominem? I would gladly consider taking your arguments seriously, if only you would offer an argument; that is, a claim that is given justification by reasons that purport to be true. Can you do that? From what I can tell, Mr. Perry has offered a solid argument in defense of Chesterton's views. If these views of Chesterton are incorrect, then it is necessary that one offer sound argument to show this; not ad hominem. This would require that you find passages in Chesterton that refute Mr. Perry's argument. Simply asserting Chesterton is a racist without thus demonstrating with his own words this claim is no proof of his racism. Your style of discourse is an embarassment to anyone with an intellect. (Note: "that" statement is not ad hominem as it does not attack your character, but only the style of discourse you choose to use.)

Carl, would it be "ad hominem" for me to point out that you apparently can't read, since I didn't say squat about Perry's comments on Chesterton? I mentioned ONLY his absurd take on Darwin.

The most tedious posters in blogdom are the hall monitors who pop up and whine about "ad hominem" this or "ad hominem" that.

I am very pleased and grateful that Matthew Struhar has set the record straight on Lincoln's alleged racism.

Much of the youth of Christianity had more than a touch of anti-semitism in he 1930's. I know. I grew up at that time. However they instinctively recognized real evil when the saw it and marched against Hitler and many died. But they also marched in support of the principle that cultural preferences may be legitimate. A Turk has the right to be a Turk, a Greek a Greek, a Jew a Jew, an Evangelical an Evangelical and so on.

MoeLarryandJesus:

My mistake, you are correct. You did not say a word about Perry's remarks about Chesterton although you did say Perry's remarks about Darwin were "wingnut swill" - I suppose that was not ad hominem. Does this mean that you agree with Perry regarding Chesterton? I am curious to know. So, can you make argument without name-calling? I suspect you have something to say....why not try to do so with intellect rather than like the schoolyard bully. As for being a "hall-monitor", I'm just wanting to see good argument, rather than "ad hominem-like" kinds of verbalizing. If that means I am being a "hall-monitor" (I am assuming this was meant to be derogatory)then so be it. For all you know, I may be on your side in this matter, but I will never be able to know this unless I see you clearly, concisely and thoughtfully address the issues. So, please excuse me for accusing you of making ad hominem attacks, but I do insist you make logical argument. Now, show us (textually if possible), for example, why Perry's read of Darwin is a misreading (of course, if it is a misreading, it either is or is not deliberate - that is pure supposition). Be assured of one thing - I want to see good argument; only that is what can be helpful. Otherwise, sorry I was "whining" as you say.

The whole "was Chesterton an anti-semite?" is the dullest topic around. The only one more boring is "Was ____ (insert American POTUS) a racist?"

A few anti-semites and semite obsessives care - but no one else. Chesterton, like Belloc and Shaw, wrote on a hundred topics more interesting and important.