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Obama and the Evangelicals, Cont.

21 Jul 2008 08:11 am

There are two ways to read Pew's numbers on evangelical voters and the '08 election. You could read them the way Mark Hemingway does, emphasizing the fact that Obama is currently running a point behind where John Kerry was among white evangelicals at this point in the 2004 race. Or you could read them as good news for Obama, since McCain is currently running eight points behind where George W. Bush stood at this point in '04. I'd choose the latter reading. In July of 2004, only 4 percent of white evangelicals said they were undecided about whom to vote for. Now 12 percent say that they are - and while it's possible that nearly all of those undecideds will come home to the GOP once the chips are down, undecided voters do tend to break against the incumbent party, which seems to open a pretty sizable opening for Obama.

When all was said and done, Bush took a whopping 78 percent of the white evangelical vote in 2004. If Obama can hold the evangelicals who are supporting him now, and swipe two-thirds of the undecideds, he'll hold McCain to just 68 percent of this demographic - which could easily turn out to be an election-tipping difference. The opportunity is there. Obama just needs to figure out if he's willing to take the political risks necessary to exploit it.

Update: Obama's performance at Saddleback (and McCain's) will probably be at least mildly important in determining how those undecided evangelicals cast their votes.

Comments (11)

Ross, I think the more relevant comparison would be 2000. It’s not really fair to compare McCain’s figures to the figures of a 2004 incumbent who was very popular with his constituency at the time.

Since he himself isn’t an evangelical, McCain doesn’t have the enthusiastic evangelical backing Bush had eight years ago. OTOH, the October Surprise revelation of Bush’s old DUI caused many evangelicals to stay home at the last minute, cutting Bush’s comfortable five-point lead a week before election day to a toss-up. If we assume that McCain doesn’t have a similar skeleton lurking, or that any McCain surprises are balanced by Obama ones, then a steady though less fervent evangelical support for him should at least match Bush’s 2000 performance.

As for evangelicals actively supporting Obama rather than just sitting it out, I don’t see it. Social justice? Is Obama more connected with it than Kerry and especially Gore claimed to be? It’s not like they ran as the injustice candidates. Religiosity? In Obama’s case, that’s probably more a minus than a plus with evangelicals. Better a pagan nature worshipper like Gore or even an eccentric Catholic/Paulist Kerry than a Wright disciple. Young voters more enamored of Obama’s cult of personality than devoted to evangelical principles? Sure, there will be plenty, but they’ll be voting as swooning Gen-Y Obamiacs, not as evangelicals. It’s a separate discussion entirely.

As for your musings about Obama touching the third rail on abortion so as to attract evangelicals, that’s a please don’t throw me in the briar patch idea if there ever was one. IMO he’d still pick up essentially no support - Dems trying to weakly pander to so-cons are like Repubs who try to weakly pander to the entitlement crowd. There’s no audience, because anyone focusing on the issues in question can see that the other party means it 1000% more. What backtracking on ‘any abortion is a good abortion, any time’ would do to Obama is turn still more of Hillary’s supporters to McCain.

But I hope Obama sees if differently and tries to be all things to all voters simultaneously.

Whatever one's opinion of Saddleback is, it isn't an Evangelical center. They are a sort of counter movement to the Moral Majority. They aren't intellectually coherent enough to be against fundamentalism, but through indifference they do end up working against them. (I use fundamentalism in the non-pejorative sense.) They don't have an organization at the national level equivalent to Dobson (who is probably most sympathetic), Robertson, Graham, or the late Falwell.

Ross,

Since Mark was linking to my post on the Pew numbers, I would like to clarify that my point wasn't about what those numbers mean for the election. I specifically noted that there was an enthusiasm gap among white evangelicals toward McCain.

My point was that media coverage of Obama's outreach to evangelicals has some major problems. All we read/see is how well Obama is doing with his outreach to religious voters. But that outreach isn't generating more support for him.

Will the lack of passion for McCain have electoral consequences? Probably, but that's not my area of expertise. Have the media been writing puff pieces about Obama's outreach to evangelicals without noting his lack of success thus far? Yes.

Even evangelical voters need a motivating issue to take them to the polls. In '04 there were 11 states (including Ohio) that had anti-gay marriage initiatives on their ballots. This year I think just Florida and California. So the swing-state of Florida probably will swing red again, alas. In California Prop 8 doesn't seem to be doing so well and the evangelicals roused by it aren't going to tip their state red.

If only they could have anti-gay initiatives in every state for every election maybe the Repubs would have a chance of living a little farther into the 21st century.

Don't forget that the turnout will be key. Even if McCain somehow got 78% of those that vote, if the turnout is much lower, obviously that's not good for McCain.

Patrick,

Sen. Gore was a conventionally observant Baptist, I believe, not a "pagan nature worshipper.' Do you imagine that all environmentalists are "nature worshippers"? I'm probably at least as concerned about environmental sustainablity as Gore, and probably much less sanguine than him about the ability of liberal civilization to deal with natural-resource crises in the long run. I'm also a fairly observant Anglo-Catholic, very far from a "pagan nature worshipper" indeed. Some of us view the destruction of the natural environment as the result of man's sinful nature, in general, and of the errors of secular modernity, in particular.

"Young voters more enamored of Obama’s cult of personality than devoted to evangelical principles? Sure, there will be plenty, but they’ll be voting as swooning Gen-Y Obamiacs, not as evangelicals. It’s a separate discussion entirely."

What you're neglecting to notice is the fact that we younger evangelicals are broadening "evangelical principles" to more than what their parents did. Abortion is still a huge problem for Obama and the Democrats, but that issue and gay marriage are no longer the only moral issues for us.

It's precisely as an evangelical Christian that I care about the environment, the poor, and life issues (which means I'm opposed to not just abortion, but also the death penalty and war).

Now I know I'm not typical of most evangelicals, but we're far from monolithic and the younger we are, the less monolithic we are.

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Or you could ignore their commentary on Evangelicals as McCain still leads with them by a large margin and Bush was unusually high for that group anyway.

After that you notice that Obama is still doing comparatively poor with white Catholics, which is a group where Kerry seems to have nearly tied. Even Gore trailed that group by half of what Obama trails by.

What percentage of those evangelicals think Obama's a Muslim?

Just askin'.

Obama will always do poorly with practicing Catholics because of his abortion views. There are about ten million practicing Catholics.