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Who Is Obama?

02 Jul 2008 01:55 pm

Matt, writing on yesterday's "Race and Politics in America: Where Are We in 2008?" panel here at Aspen:

Continuing with my Shelby Steele blogging, he went into what I thought was a really unfair attack on Barack Obama, drawing an invidious comparison between Obama and John McCain and Hillary Clinton on the grounds that we don't really know who he is. Instead, says Steele, Obama is running on a vague sense that he's a talented politician and a black guy. At first I thought he was going to take this in an unverifiably airy direction, but then he specifically said of McCain that if he's elected "we know what road that guy’s going to go down" whereas we don't know the same for Obama.

Now of course it's possible -- likely, even -- that many Americans don't know what road Obama would go down as president. But he's unveiled a fairly detailed policy record, and assembled a fairly consistent record in public life. It's John McCain, by contrast, who was against the Bush tax cuts before he was against them it's McCain who sponsored an immigration reform bill and then said he would have written against it. It's McCain who wants credit for tackling climate change but opposes all legislation aimed at curbing carbon emissions. It's McCain who's trying to run on an appealing biography while leaving cloudy impressions of his policy agenda.

I take his point, but if Steele had stuck to what Matt terms the "unverifiably airy" side of things - to Obama's personality instead of his policies - I would have taken his point as well. It's true that Obama's policy positions have been no more fungible than McCain's (though no less fungible as well, as evidenced by his recent maneuverings), and in many respects they've been considerably more detailed. But there remains, I think, a striking opacity to Obama - the deep structures that inform his thinking aren't out in the open for anyone to see, the way they are with McCain, and in certain ways I feel like I know less about Obama the man than I did when he had just started running for President. This has been reflected across his life and political career: I don't agree with the entire Steve Sailer take on Obama, but Sailer is on to something when he writes that the Democratic nominee seems to have "spent his life trying on different personalities," while his core has remained something of a mystery - perhaps even to himself.

Overall, this quality has been an asset to Obama as a national politician, since it allows his supporters to read their own biases and convictions into his candidacy: You can vote for him because you think he's the left-wing Reagan or because you think he's a cool centrist with a Burkean temperament; you can rally around him because he embodies African-American advancement or because he transcends racial categories entirely; etc. And it may be an asset to him as President as well: Dwight Eisenhower, one of our greatest twentieth-century chief executives, was also one of our most mysterious and opaque. But as someone who always wants to know more, rather than less, about people running for President, even (or especially) when the "more" goes to personality rather than policy, I wish I had a slightly better sense of what makes Obama tick.

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The core question is the pervasive disconnect between Obama's 1995 and 2006 books. Perhaps he matured ideologically in-between, but nobody has asked him about it.

So, I've long suggested that literary critic Shelby Steele, who has read Obama's books with the same care that Obama put into writing them and who has the same background -- black father, white mother -- would be the ideal person to conduct a 90 minute live interview with Obama on the crucial question of who exactly he is.

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_04_07/feature.html

I don't agree with the entire Steve Sailer take on Obama, but Sailer is on to something

Do you also not agree with the entire Buchanan take on the Holocaust being more Churchill's fault than Hitler's, but feel that he's on to something?

David Axelrod explains that Obama is largely running on his biography (at least, on Axelrod's version of Obama's biography):

“People are used to being bombarded with messages, but biographical material is the only way they can make the judgment whether what they’re hearing is genuine. ... So when Barack talks about economic issues, the fact that he started his adult life as a community organizer in the shadow of closed steel mills, the fact that he passed on the Wall Street jobs to work as a civil-rights lawyer — all of this authenticates the overall message of the campaign that stems from who he is.”

The problem, though, is that Obama wrote his 1995 autobiography before he hired Axelrod to spin his life story for him, so "Dreams from My Father" pervasively contradicts the interpretation of his life that Axelrod has dreamed up for him to run on. Most fundamentally, Axelrod's idea that Obama is a post-racial transcender of race who never pays attention to race, etc etc. ... except that Obama subtitled his 1995 memoir, "A Story of Race and Inheritance." And Obama wasn't kidding because there is nothing in its 442 pages that's not about race and inheritance.

Sailer is never "on to something" that wasn't already embraced by white men in hooded sheets long ago. He has about as much credibility as David Duke.

Or David Irving, for that matter.

I love how Sailer doesn't actually address the Axelrod quote that he himself drummed up and supposedly wanted to refute. Instead he takes one assumption (that Obama is a "post-racial transcender," which he has never claimed) and adds a laughable interpretation, which is that, because Obama's biography has to do with "race and inheritance," he can't possibly be a post-racial transcender. The assumption here is that a black man who is even aware of his race and its influence MUST be an Al Sharpton or Jeremiah Wright, or else is hiding the fact that he is.

I love how people insult Steve Sailer rather than respond to what he says.

I just find your reference to the inflamatory spycho-analysis of Obama from both Sailer and Steele to be quite revealing of conservatives. I don't think that I quite understood conservatives (some) until this year. When I heard the extremes like Rush, Hannity, Coulter speak, I thought 1) this is entertainment for money, 2) entertainment for power (getting repub elected. I always thought that you guys had an economic (taxes), social (gays, abortion) and international (neo-con) agenda and that Although I did not agree w/ the majority of it, I respected the underlying agenda and therefore, I could laugh at the obsurdity of the latent racism, sexism, judgmentalism, absolutism, nationalism that often over-shadowed the intellectually reasonable (even if wrong) positions. But, I have belatedly come to realize that conservatives actually believe the thrills, the entertainment is for reality...unbelievable. There is a real fear and it's not for political opportunism. Conservatives are weary of what lies beneath all those pleasant black smiles. Well have no fear, although most blk folks suffer from the paradox that W.E.B Dubois talks about, most blk folks also suffer from 2 other things, 1) an insistant need of your acceptance 2.) and therefore an inability to be resentful.

BO is the whitest blk man you will ever get, stop with the spycho analyzing BS. His book could have been written by 99% of blk educated folks in this country... such fits of searching for identity is rights of passage for most blk folks...we are constantly trying to fit, to belong, to love ourselves, to remain true to ourselves. This is why blks are so hard on each other i.e Mr. Steele who is still searching and unlike Mr. Obama who searched and found comfort in his own skin, his own way. Let obama be obama.

I just find your reference to the inflamatory spycho-analysis of Obama from both Sailer and Steele to be quite revealing of conservatives. I don't think that I quite understood conservatives (some) until this year. When I heard the extremes like Rush, Hannity, Coulter speak, I thought 1) this is entertainment for money, 2) entertainment for power (getting repub elected. I always thought that you guys had an economic (taxes), social (gays, abortion) and international (neo-con) agenda and that Although I did not agree w/ the majority of it, I respected the underlying agenda and therefore, I could laugh at the obsurdity of the latent racism, sexism, judgmentalism, absolutism, nationalism that often over-shadowed the intellectually reasonable (even if wrong) positions. But, I have belatedly come to realize that conservatives actually believe the thrills, the entertainment is for reality...unbelievable. There is a real fear and it's not for political opportunism. Conservatives are weary of what lies beneath all those pleasant black smiles. Well have no fear, although most blk folks suffer from the paradox that W.E.B Dubois talks about, most blk folks also suffer from 2 other things, 1) an insistant need of your acceptance 2.) and therefore an inability to be resentful.

BO is the whitest blk man you will ever get, stop with the spycho analyzing BS. His book could have been written by 99% of blk educated folks in this country... such fits of searching for identity is rights of passage for most blk folks...we are constantly trying to fit, to belong, to love ourselves, to remain true to ourselves. This is why blks are so hard on each other i.e Mr. Steele who is still searching and unlike Mr. Obama who searched and found comfort in his own skin, his own way. Let obama be obama.

I just find your reference to the inflamatory spycho-analysis of Obama from both Sailer and Steele to be quite revealing of conservatives. I don't think that I quite understood conservatives (some) until this year. When I heard the extremes like Rush, Hannity, Coulter speak, I thought 1) this is entertainment for money, 2) entertainment for power (getting repub elected. I always thought that you guys had an economic (taxes), social (gays, abortion) and international (neo-con) agenda and that Although I did not agree w/ the majority of it, I respected the underlying agenda and therefore, I could laugh at the obsurdity of the latent racism, sexism, judgmentalism, absolutism, nationalism that often over-shadowed the intellectually reasonable (even if wrong) positions. But, I have belatedly come to realize that conservatives actually believe the thrills, the entertainment is for reality...unbelievable. There is a real fear and it's not for political opportunism. Conservatives are weary of what lies beneath all those pleasant black smiles. Well have no fear, although most blk folks suffer from the paradox that W.E.B Dubois talks about, most blk folks also suffer from 2 other things, 1) an insistant need of your acceptance 2.) and therefore an inability to be resentful.

BO is the whitest blk man you will ever get, stop with the spycho analyzing BS. His book could have been written by 99% of blk educated folks in this country... such fits of searching for identity is rights of passage for most blk folks...we are constantly trying to fit, to belong, to love ourselves, to remain true to ourselves. This is why blks are so hard on each other i.e Mr. Steele who is still searching and unlike Mr. Obama who searched and found comfort in his own skin, his own way. Let obama be obama.

Obama does't seem so opaque to me. Your puzzles are easily answered, I think: He does intend to be something like "the left-wing Reagan"; he is "cool", but not "centrist"; he certainly counts as a representation of "African-American advancement", and does not for a second "transcend racial categories entirely." Any other questions?

Sam says:

"The assumption here is that a black man who is even aware of his race and its influence MUST be an Al Sharpton or Jeremiah Wright, or else is hiding the fact that he is."

The facts here are that Barack Obama donated $53,000 to Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.'s church in 2005-2007, and named his 2006 bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" after Wright's sermon about how "white people's greed runs a world in need," to quote Obama's "Dreams from My Father."

When the main stream media finally noticed Wright, Obama proceeded to lie blatantly about Wright, then obfuscated at vast length, claimed that Wright was typical for blacks, libeled his own grandmother in a passage refuted in his own memoirs, said he could not disown Wright, then, finally, after Wright pointed out that Obama was a politician who says what politicians have to say, disowned him. But Obama said the new minister was really good, but then Obama disowned him and his church too.

Of course, none of these events happened until _after_ Obama had effectively wrapped up the nomination by early March, due to blatant negligence by the media.

Matt,

You may be right, although I would add that if we are going to pigeon hole him we should complete the stereotype. Most black liberals are also socially conservative. AAs that I know tend to think that abortion is a sin, ditto homosexuality (although this one is becoming harder to defend among AA intellectuals and churchgoers), pro-gun ownership (the no trust thing), pro-death penalty if the crime is against their family & anti-death penalty in the abstract, pro-libertarianism (AA don't like to judge to a fault), pro faith based initiatives, pro church in general, pro Jesus (as am I). So following the argument that we can use Obama's race, political party, books, wife, etc... to deduce some policy positions, he is quite conservative, hence the confusion on right and now the confusion on the left. He doesn't fit neatly into a box. I have never seen another candidate so overly and overtly spycho-analyzed. Sure, "it's b/c he is so new" really? Did this happen to john edwards or GWB for that matter (although the latter had pedigree so I guess no questions needed to be asked).

Why won't conservatives, like Ross, who periodically link to Steve Sailer actually engage with him and his ideas the way they would any other writer? I don't think Sailer is totally worthless--I think his characterizations of white liberals are mostly pretty dead-on, for example--but why do people who cite him approvingly pretend that about 90% of what he writes doesn't exist?

I don't agree with the entire Steve Sailer take on Obama

Classic Douthat technique: If it's a conservative position he's commenting on, say I don't agree with the whole argument, but never say what you specifically disagree with.

If it's a liberal position, say I don't disagree with all of it, then list and pick fault with everything you specifically disagree with.

The pretence of fair-mindedness maintained, the actual text is completely partisan.

It's so transparent it's laughable.

Mr. Sailer,

I don't know where to begin so I'll start w/ the most silly. This meme about Mr. Obama libeled his grandmother or threw his grandmother under the bus really says more obout conservative commentators than Mr. Obama. It's so intellectually dishonest and it's a weak indictment considering this was written in his book years ago. For some odd reason, Mr. Obama's reference to his grandmother just sticks to the throat of some people. Someone should spycho analyze this phenomenom. What really bothers you about that?

Next: You ridiculous essay about Mr. Obama's inner most feelings shows your limitless limitations on the experience of being black or being biracial.

Mr. Obama's book details instances that are inked in the many memories of many AAs or other blks, mix race etc. When I read the part about someone asking him to touch his hair, I laughed b/c it was so familiar and his emotional reaction was so ordinary (meaning not unusual). It's not some type anger (the kind that you fear), its more of another reminder of being different. When he talked about his mother's attraction to black men, I understood it existentially. It's the feeling my bi- racial best friend got when she found out that Tiger woods was marrying a blond. She herself is half white/blk. Of course she is not against interracial marriages, she is a product of one and of course Tiger Woods is mixed, but many AA women (mixed or not) felt the pause. When he discussed his grandmother and wright I got it so clearly b/c we all know a wright and love him anyway and even laugh at him sometimes, we also know a kind grandmother who loves so purely but still be so human. You didn't have to be half white to understand the turbulance it would cause a would be black man in America to realize that even his grandmother saw color (my lost conservative friend, that was the point). It's a realization that there is no safe place to run from race not even in a loving, accepting family. He realized in that instant that his grandmother was not color blind and his grandfather (read the book) was tragically happy to point it out. I don't think you could even imagine that feeling for a second but you are a thinking person, so can you intellectualize it? I'm sure you are thinking that AA have issues and that we need to cure ourselves of such feelings and thoughts and be happy. You may be right, but I assure you that we did not go seek these uncertain feelings, these rights of passage trying to figure out who we are or where we belong. We would love to just go through life analyzing other people's racial identities and projecting our own fears onto others, while not having to answer for our own audatiously racial views on everything from a young man's search for identity, to a would be president's loyalty to one race or the other (as if he ever wanted to choose). But sir, we have not that privilege. So carry on.

The facts here are that Barack Obama donated $53,000 to Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.'s church [...]

But only to hide the fact that he's a Muslim, right, Stevie?

"I don't agree with the entire Steve Sailer take on Obama, but Sailer is on to something"

"Obama is the unexpected answer to their fantasies. A black candidate who has worked hard to establish a career for himself as a South Side racialist, but who is really a lit fic novel reading white man in a semi-black skin."

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-advantage-over-other-black.html

Care to clarify which part of that you disagree with? And what is the 'something' he is on to?

I'm not sure "fungible" means what you think it means.

Actually, I'm not sure "fungible" means what I thought it meant.

Dear Mesq:

I have frequently complimented Obama's literary gift at portraying himself as a hypersensitive individual obsessed with race and inheritance. I called him "an unfunny Evelyn Waugh" for his combination of acid insight into others with self-pity for himself. That's high praise, indeed, from a literary standpoint.

But ... that's _not_ how David Axelrod is having him run for President.

As Shelby Steele has pointed out, there's a yawning gap between Obama's 1995 autobiography and his "biography-based" 2008 campaign.

Maybe his 1995 memoir is basically phony in its portrait of a young man tortured by concerns over race. Certainly his Hawaiian prep school friends have consistently cast doubts on Obama's self-portrait.

Or maybe his 2008 campaign is phony.

But, the point is that ... somebody ought to ask the Presidential frontrunner about it.

And Steele would be the best person to do it.

I love how people insult Steve Sailer rather than respond to what he says.

As someone who has responded to what he says, read other thoughtful responses to him, and generally sampled the Sailer oeuvre for the past couple years, I can assure you that it makes no difference if you respond. A thoughtful refutation of some racist claptrap will appear in one thread and Sailer will simply move on and repeat the same racist claptrap somewhere else with no greater nuance or persuasive power.

Sailor is occasionally useful if you want to anticipate the next vapid right wing scandal, but he's not a good faith interlocutor, nor is he intellectually honest. Dollars to donuts, knocking down his fallacies is probably the right move, but it's a Sisyphean struggle. And insults are more entertaining.

At least Sailer is openly bigoted, where Ross cloaks himself in doublespeak, rhetorical flourishes, and constant references to his religion and morality.

Sometimes things slip and the odd 'Welfare Duchess' slips out.

It's always amusing when an attempt to understand the personality and character of the Presidential frontrunner turns into a discussion of my horribleness.

Folks, Barack Obama is a lot more important than I am.

All I did was read his autobiography with a little of the care he put into writing it. And because Obama and I have both thought hard about "race and inheritance," I was able to get some distance toward understanding him beyond the usual simplistic assumptions about the implications of Obama's ancestry. Not surprisingly, I was able to predict in early 2007 major events of 2008 such as the Rev. Wright brouhaha ... because I read Obama's book.

Since his 2004 convention speech, however, Obama has reverted to promoting these puerile misconceptions that his being half-white and half-black make him the promised prince who will end America's racial strife. As Obama burbled after Jeremiah Wright resurfaced at the end of April to expose Obama's lies about their relationship, "That's in my DNA, trying to promote mutual understanding to insist that we all share common hopes and common dreams as Americans and as human beings."

Well, that's not what his 1995 book says. Obama is a _lot_ more complicated than the simplistic genetic reductionism that he's now peddling would suggest.

The man wants to be President. Let's pay him the respect of paying him close attention. We didn't pay much attention ahead of time to the last guy we put in the White House, and look how that turned out!

And, besides, Obama is much more interesting than Bush.

Obama is actually a complex thinker on racial identity. It may not be in anyone's interest to acknowledge the complexity.

Here was my take after reading Dreams:

What Obama's story shows is that racial/ethnic consciousness is natural. The sixties liberal/nineties neoconservative desire to destroy it is about as likely to succeed as any other attempt to extirpate natural emotions. As a thoughtful person, Obama recognizes that black racial consciousness, like any other form of nationalism, can be destructive and intellectually limiting. He hopes that it might -- tied to Christianity -- link the black bourgeoisie with the black underclass, to the benefit of both. But the principal point that leads him away from a post-ethnic liberal universalism of the Trudeau type is that it fails to meet a deep human need.

Obama's position even allows him to celebrate Midwestern WASP identity and values, something few white writers would be able to do -- at least in ethnic terms. I've already quoted his perfect observation of his liberal anthropologist mother's horrified reaction when Obama-the-boy starts to assimilate Indonesian fatalism and cynicism. Maybe there is some hope for the "left" here. The right seems to have completely accepted the left's traditional dislike of particularist loyalties. The left are more willing to accept such things, but only for the "oppressed," but the logic of their position may bring them to be the "side" better able to acknowledge this part of human nature.

James - you're really barking up the wrong tree. I don't know how a regular reading of this blog backs up the Latent Bigot Ross you're describing. (I also don't know why Ross has to write a 300-page thesis defending controversial views on every source he quotes.)

I'm a pro- Iraq war, small gov't guy who's not keen on most of what the American Conservative writes, so my guess is you're actually talking about conservatives like myself. You're still wrong, but it's a point worth making.

And get over the Welfare Duchess line already. It fit the individual to a tee, and you know this.

In terms of deep structures, I think Obama is fundamentally about narrative dispute resolution.

As always, Pithlord has some excellent insights into Obama, far more sophisticated than anything you'll read in the press.

I would point out, however, that Obama's mother's decision to inculcate Midwestern white bourgeois values in her son was, like everything involving Obama's upbringing, more complicated than it sounds.

While Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro and her Indonesian second husband Lolo were still stuck with each other, she found herself becoming irritated by his dutifully climbing the corporate ladder to support her and her kid (even though everybody instantly could tell just by looking at his hair that he wasn't Lolo's own son). Obama wrote in 1995:

"Looking back, I’m not sure that Lolo ever fully understood what my mother was going through during these years, why the things he was working so hard to provide for her seemed only to increase the distance between them. ... With the help of his brother-in-law, he landed a new job in the government relations office of an American oil company. We moved to a house in a better neighborhood; a car replaced the motorcycle; ... Sometimes I would overhear him and my mother arguing in their bedroom, usually about her refusal to attend his company dinner parties, where American businessmen from Texas and Louisiana would slap Lolo’s back and boast about the palms they had greased to obtain the new offshore drilling rights, while their wives complained to my mother about the quality of Indonesian help. He would ask her how it would look for him to go alone, and remind her that these were her own people, and my mother’s voice would rise to almost a shout.

"They are _not_ my people."

A more parsimonious explanation for what followed might be that she just couldn't stand her husband Lolo, and hated seeing her precious son fall under his influence.

So, she strove to inculcate white American values in her son.

"It was as if, by traveling halfway around the globe, away from the smugness and hypocrisy that familiarity had disclosed, my mother could give voice to the virtues of her midwestern past and offer them up in distilled form."

This presented a problem for her, though, since, as we've seen, she despised white Americans. But, at least she had an object lesson of bad values ready at hand: her annoying husband Lolo and his casual ways:

"Honesty-Lolo should not have hidden the refrigerator in the storage room when the tax officials came, even if everyone else, including the tax officials, expected such things."

So, although the anti-role model was naturally Lolo, little Barack must have a positive role model as well to combat Lolo's pernicious influence:

"The problem was that she had few reinforcements; whenever she took me aside for such commentary, I would dutifully nod my assent, but she must have known that many of her ideas seemed rather impractical. Lolo had merely explained the poverty, the corruption, the constant scramble for security; he hadn’t created it. It remained all around me and bred a relentless skepticism."

So, Stanley Ann decided that the perfect role model for Barack Jr. would be that paragon of Midwestern virtues, Barack Sr.!

"She had only one ally in all this, and that was the distant authority of my father. Increasingly, she would remind me of his story, how he had grown up poor, in a poor country, in a poor continent; how his life had been hard, as hard as anything that Lolo might have known. He hadn’t cut corners, though, or played all the angles. He was diligent and honest, no matter what it cost him. He had led his life according to principles that demanded a different kind of toughness, principles that promised a higher form of power. I would follow his example, my mother decided. I had no choice. It was in the genes.

"“You have me to thank for your eyebrows…your father has these little wispy eyebrows that don’t amount to much. But your brains, your character, you got from him.”"

Now, obviously, the Kenyan politician Barack Obama Sr., an alcoholic bigamist Big Man on the make who had knocked her up when she was 17 and he was a married man of 24, and then had abandoned his son without a penny of support, was, by any objective standard, a skunk compared to poor Lolo. But, that wasn't Stanley Ann's point. The point was to stick the knife in her irritating second husband and twist it around by constantly emphasizing that the boy he was working and conniving to support was a cuckoo's egg left by her sexy and morally superior first husband.

Over time, Stanley Ann's strategy expanded to depicting the entire black race as the epitome of bourgeois virtues:

"Her message came to embrace black people generally. She would come home with books on the civil rights movement, the recordings of Mahalia Jackson, the speeches of Dr. King. When she told me stories of schoolchildren in the South who were forced to read books handed down from wealthier white schools but who went on to become doctors and lawyers and scientists, I felt chastened by my reluctance to wake up and study in the mornings. If I told her about the goose-stepping demonstrations my Indonesian Boy Scout troop performed in front of the president, she might mention a different kind of march, a march of children no older than me, a march for freedom. Every black man was Thurgood Marshall or Sidney Poitier; every black woman Fannie Lou Hamer or Lena Horne. To be black was to be the beneficiary of a great inheritance, a special destiny, glorious burdens that only we were strong enough to bear."

One obvious political implication of Stanley Ann's line of indoctrination is that the only possible explanation for why these embodiments of all middle class values weren't rich and happy was that "white folks' greed runs a world in need," as Barack Jr.'s surrogate father Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was later to phrase it so felicitously in his "Audacity of Hope" sermon. All that blacks needed to lead them to what they deserved were audacious political leaders who had achieved "a higher form of power," like that nation-building statesman Barack Obama Sr.

Dear Mr. Sailer:

Disclosure: Against my better judgment, I will ignore the sarcasm and pretend that you're not just a right wing hack and answer you.

"I have frequently complimented Obama's literary gift at portraying himself as a hypersensitive individual obsessed with race and inheritance."

This so called obsession with race seems of be in heart and head. Like I said previously, a black person (esp. biracial) trying to figure out where he or she belongs, learning self acceptance, self love, self discovery is a rights a passage that many AAs have been through and come out the other side confident and ready to meet the world. Let me put it in a non race based way so you may understand. It's similar to the same self actualization that every young person goes through if they are conscious. However, this is more common maybe amongst AA b/c of historically and sociatal reasons. Blacks being "obsessed with race" is an redundant. Blacks have no choice but to think of their race. Even your hero Steele is "obsessed with race" even your other hero Condi Rice spoken about this. Okay, let try it this way...Do you know what thoughts lurk beneath Sec. Rice's smile, what she has gone through emotionally to arrive at where she is now. NO, the answer is NO. But you don't care b/c you support her policies. She gave you a clue when she said that "racism, slavery are America's birth defects." Is she obsessed. Finally sir, the point of writing a memoir (esp. at 30) is to talk about your experiences, thoughts and emotions while your were YOUNG and how you have grown to understand yourself and your experience. Hence, the audacity of hope. You conservative intellectuals (so called)should really do a better job of hiding your obvious racial issues. I know that you can never truly understand but I thought perhaps since you fashion yourself as some type of intellectual, you would reply w/ atleast a tad of humility and intellectual consistency. However, it's clear that this is a political argument for you and your kind to stop Obama from becoming president. That great, it's politics, but don't pretend that you are doing otherwise. You have no interest in knowing "who is Obama." You believe that you are an expert in black pathology and psychology.

I have a feeling you won't reply intellectually,and I'm not trying to change your mind b/c that's futile obviously. I appreciate that unlike Mr. Ross, you have the courage to be overt and forthright about your racist attitudes. ex. discrimination lawyer, I thought It was called civil rights lawyer etc...... Your're not even trying to hide it. Good for you.

Dear Mr. Sailer:

Disclosure: Against my better judgment, I will ignore the sarcasm and pretend that you're not just a right wing hack and answer you.

"I have frequently complimented Obama's literary gift at portraying himself as a hypersensitive individual obsessed with race and inheritance."

This so called obsession with race seems of be in heart and head. Like I said previously, a black person (esp. biracial) trying to figure out where he or she belongs, learning self acceptance, self love, self discovery is a rights a passage that many AAs have been through and come out the other side confident and ready to meet the world. Let me put it in a non race based way so you may understand. It's similar to the same self actualization that every young person goes through if they are conscious. However, this is more common maybe amongst AA b/c of historically and sociatal reasons. Blacks being "obsessed with race" is an redundant. Blacks have no choice but to think of their race. Even your hero Steele is "obsessed with race" even your other hero Condi Rice spoken about this. Okay, let try it this way...Do you know what thoughts lurk beneath Sec. Rice's smile, what she has gone through emotionally to arrive at where she is now. NO, the answer is NO. But you don't care b/c you support her policies. She gave you a clue when she said that "racism, slavery are America's birth defects." Is she obsessed. Finally sir, the point of writing a memoir (esp. at 30) is to talk about your experiences, thoughts and emotions while your were YOUNG and how you have grown to understand yourself and your experience. Hence, the audacity of hope. You conservative intellectuals (so called)should really do a better job of hiding your obvious racial issues. I know that you can never truly understand but I thought perhaps since you fashion yourself as some type of intellectual, you would reply w/ atleast a tad of humility and intellectual consistency. However, it's clear that this is a political argument for you and your kind to stop Obama from becoming president. That great, it's politics, but don't pretend that you are doing otherwise. You have no interest in knowing "who is Obama." You believe that you are an expert in black pathology and psychology.

I have a feeling you won't reply intellectually,and I'm not trying to change your mind b/c that's futile obviously. I appreciate that unlike Mr. Ross, you have the courage to be overt and forthright about your racist attitudes. ex. discrimination lawyer, I thought It was called civil rights lawyer etc...... You're not even trying to hide it. Good for you.

Dear Mr. Sailer:

Disclosure: Against my better judgment, I will ignore the sarcasm and pretend that you're not just a right wing hack and answer you.

"I have frequently complimented Obama's literary gift at portraying himself as a hypersensitive individual obsessed with race and inheritance."

This so called obsession with race seems of be in heart and head. Like I said previously, a black person (esp. biracial) trying to figure out where he or she belongs, learning self acceptance, self love, self discovery is a rights a passage that many AAs have been through and come out the other side confident and ready to meet the world. Let me put it in a non race based way so you may understand. It's similar to the same self actualization that every young person goes through if they are conscious. However, this is more common maybe amongst AA b/c of historically and sociatal reasons. Blacks being "obsessed with race" is an redundant. Blacks have no choice but to think of their race. Even your hero Steele is "obsessed with race" even your other hero Condi Rice spoken about this. Okay, let try it this way...Do you know what thoughts lurk beneath Sec. Rice's smile, what she has gone through emotionally to arrive at where she is now. NO, the answer is NO. But you don't care b/c you support her policies. She gave you a clue when she said that "racism, slavery are America's birth defects." Is she obsessed. Finally sir, the point of writing a memoir (esp. at 30) is to talk about your experiences, thoughts and emotions while your were YOUNG and how you have grown to understand yourself and your experience. Hence, the audacity of hope. You conservative intellectuals (so called)should really do a better job of hiding your obvious racial issues. I know that you can never truly understand but I thought perhaps since you fashion yourself as some type of intellectual, you would reply w/ atleast a tad of humility and intellectual consistency. However, it's clear that this is a political argument for you and your kind to stop Obama from becoming president. That great, it's politics, but don't pretend that you are doing otherwise. You have no interest in knowing "who is Obama." You believe that you are an expert in black pathology and psychology.

I have a feeling you won't reply intellectually,and I'm not trying to change your mind b/c that's futile obviously. I appreciate that unlike Mr. Ross, you have the courage to be overt and forthright about your racist attitudes. ex. discrimination lawyer, I thought It was called civil rights lawyer etc...... You're not even trying to hide it. Good for you.

Ferrell,

I wasn't talking about yourself at all really, it was pretty much solely focused at Ross.

Wasn't so much calling Ross a bigot so much as a fraud who let's his mask slip now and again. Don't have time for a long post, but if bigot is defined thus:

"a person who is intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

Then yes, Ross fits that as I've never seen him do anything except pay lip service to a truly non conservative or non catholic idea. Which is fine, it's the hiding it behind cant and hypocrisy.

The point of the welfare duchess is that if he's happy to say that in public, then i wonder what he thinks in private. But I do not have a window in men's souls.

As for latent, well linking to, quoting and in part approving of an article about a mixed race president, by a man who posts things like this:

"Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.

In contrast to New Orleans, there was only minimal looting after the horrendous 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan—because, when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks.

Makes you a latent something, that's for sure.

Steve,

I am well aware that you've read Dreams From My Father and written a review.

Guess what? I've read Dreams From My Father, so has every political reporter in the known universe and hundreds of thousands of other people. It's not some hidden scroll.

I'm aware that you find the book alarming; I don't. And I would confidently assert that, given the lack of general alarm, your view is in an extreme minority. In any case, I'll readily agree that the book presents a more complex person than you see on the campaign trail, but that says more about the nature of politics than it does about Obama. Any reasonably thoughtful person is going to hold some political views in college that he won't subscribe to later in life, and many people will make friends in their communities who they wouldn't necessarily want to bring out on the campaign trail with them. It doesn't really concern me.

My views, in any case, are absolutely trivial.

If Barack Obama's biography is a cause of deep concern for you, that's fine. But when you constantly invoke it (a bestseller!) as some sort of occulted manifesto of black nationalism against which the American people must be warned, you just look dumb. Try a different tack.

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Now, Obama whose 1995 book is so cool toward his mother than he more or less apologized to her in his 2004 preface to the reissue understands fairly well the absurdity of her upbringing of him in her passive-aggressive war with her second husband.

But he -- with all the options in the world -- remains stuck on the career path that she launched him upon: being a black politician. That's why he has to make so many extravagant gestures to prove he's black enough -- like searching out Rev. Wright's extremist church.

By now, Obama may well have figured out that his career is based on his mother's lie: black politicians don't actually do anything worthwhile for blacks; what African Americans need is not more government handouts but those bourgeois values his mother claimed they already possess.

But, what can he do about it? His response has been to fail upwards, to not accomplish anything for his people, but accept personal promotion to the next level. He spent three years as a black activist in Chicago and the only thing he accomplished for his race was getting some asbestos removed from a public housing project, which ranks comically far down on the list of inner city black needs. After law school, he became a civil rights lawyer so he could sue white institutions and give their money to blacks. That didn't accomplish much of anything. So, he ran for state legislature.

When he ran for Congress in 2000, he got crushed by an old Black Panther in the primary because he wasn't black enough. That was a crushing blow to his pride. Perhaps that's the hinge where the difference between the 1990s and 2000s Obama emerged. But nobody has asked him about it, or even if there is any difference. (He denied that there was any difference in his 2004 preface to his 1995 autobiography).

These are things that somebody should ask Obama.

Has anyone asked you Steve if your conviction that African-Americans are dumber than other races might cloud your interpretation of Obama?

Obviously Ross wouldn't and won't.

Imagine how intelligent Obama would have been if both parents had been white.

Mr. Sailer

"This presented a problem for her, though, since, as we've seen, she despised white Americans."

You have been revealed...again.

"Now, obviously, the Kenyan politician Barack Obama Sr., an alcoholic bigamist Big Man on the make who had knocked her up when she was 17 and he was a married man of 24, and then had abandoned his son without a penny of support, was, by any objective standard, a skunk compared to poor Lolo. But, that wasn't Stanley Ann's point. The point was to stick the knife in her irritating second husband and twist it around by constantly emphasizing that the boy he was working and conniving to support was a cuckoo's egg left by her sexy and morally superior first husband."

WOW, words fail. Have you ever heard of parents instilling confidence, self esteem in their children. She is a hero for raising black son to cherish all sides of himself and not feel that his complexion makes him inferior. This is a method that black parents use to instill self esteem and a sense of belonging in order to build character and strenght to confront people like you and your ilk. And, what kind of man slurs another man's mother. You bigotry is a mental illness.

Dear Southpaw:

As a political reporter, I'm sure, then, you were all over the Jeremiah Wright story back in 2007, right? Just put in some links to your many stories on Wright before March 12, 2008 that you got from reading "Dreams from My Father." They'll make interesting reading.

Steve,

Southpaw doesn't say he is a political reporter but that political reporters have read it.

You can be a bit slow. It must be that black grandfather of yours that you keep hidden in the attic.

Mesq writes:

"She is a hero for raising black son to cherish all sides of himself ..."

No, Obama's mother didn't raise him to cherish all sides of himself. As Obama points out, she raised him to cherish one side of himself, the black side.

That's fine, but Obama shouldn't be campaigning as if he was Tiger Woods, brought up identify with all sides of himself. He's encouraging people to make simplistic assumptions about his upbringing and identity, that his identity and loyalty is determined, as he recently claimed in response to Rev. Wright's set-the-record-straight tour, by his "DNA."

Barack Obama is running for President based on David Axelrod's version of his biography, which isn't the same as Barack Obama's autobiography.

Or perhaps he's had a major change of heart since 1995. It could be ... although he denied it in 2004.

But shouldn't somebody ask him?

Thank you James, I didn't know that this is what we were dealing with. It's worse than I thought. Let's just pray that he doesnt represent conservative thought b/c shelby steele will have to explain why these are his comrads.

The question is, if this isn't mainstream conservative thought, why is a mainstream conservative like Ross linking to his essays. I so confused. Or is this just like AA tolerating silly men like wright b/c we understand that humand being can be complex and feel their pain on some human level, although we disagree with their ultimate conclusions? But that would be wierd b/c conservative don't have a history of oppression and humiliation just 40 years ago. I'm loss. I just know that even if I agreed with every conservative position other than race, I could not be a member of this group in good conscious. How does Shelby steele do it?

The following is the money quote:


"Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.

In contrast to New Orleans, there was only minimal looting after the horrendous 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan—because, when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks.

Sure, once you've answered whether your belief that black people are innately inferior might affect your view on Obama.

Steve,

Have your highly scientific studies which prove African Americans have lower intelligence clarified if intelligence is inversely proportionate to penis size?

Or is it sense of rhythm?

I am not and never have been a political reporter. My point was just that they've undoubtedly read the book, and they have an easy way to make it a problem for Obama.

Of course, here's a New York Times article about how weird Wright can be from April 2007. It caused, if memory serves, absolutely no splash. (Perhaps it wasn't the inherent newsiness of the Wright story that made it such a big thing? hmm.)

Three questions for Stevie:

1. Whose beliefs are more extreme and dangerous: Rev. Wright or Rev. Pat Robertson? (In case that's a difficult question, ask yourself which proposed blowing up the State Department. Also ask yourself which thinks American foreign policy should try to being about the preconditions for Armageddon.)

2. What is the likelihood that Wright will have any influence on a Democratic administration, let alone the sort that Robertson has had on Republican ones?

3. Why, then, is Wright in your opinion such an important figure?

As I wrote on March 25, 2007:

Why has Obama tied his fate to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a tactless race man who is the living opposite of the myth Obama is trying to project about himself?

It's not exactly a secret that Obama, like George W. Bush, has Daddy Issues. ...

Obama entitled his autobiography Dreams from My Father after the man he worshiped from afar because he had abandoned little Barack Jr. at age 2. When Obama went to Kenya to in the late 1980s to learn more about his late father, the brilliant scholar and national leader turned out to be an egomaniacal alcoholic impoverished bigamist. One might surmise that Obama's father's abandonment of him and this disappointment of his fantasies about his heritage have left a hole in his soul that he hopes to fill by becoming President of the United States.

This may seem like a rather elaborate form of therapy. But such motivations are hardly uncommon among politicians, including some great ones. ...
Just as Obama spent only one month as a boy with his father, who died in a drunken car crash in Kenya in 1982, Churchill bitterly regretted that his father had seen fit to hold merely a few substantial conversations with him.

Less obvious are the Mommy Issues that provoked both Churchill and Obama into excessively idolizing their unworthy fathers.

Sir Winston's mother, Jennie, was an adventuress more interested in men than the little boy she dumped at boarding school when he was seven.

While not as irresponsible as his Kenyan father, Obama's white mother twice dumped the lad upon her parents in Hawaii so that she could do whatever it was that was so important for her to do in Indonesia. In both episodes, in a sort of Sophie's Choice, she left Obama and took his younger half-sister with her. In his 2004 preface to the reissue of his memoirs, Obama, in effect, apologizes to his late mother for his cool-hearted treatment of her in his autobiography.

The closest Obama has come to finding a surrogate for the father he desperately missed is his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., longtime leader of the Trinity United Christian Church on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. The title of Obama's second book, the current bestseller The Audacity of Hope is lifted from one of Wright's sermons

That Obama is a "devout Christian" is a big part of his political appeal. But Wright's black church, which Obama joined in the mid-1980s, turns out to be almost as racialist and political in its own way as the Boers' old Dutch Reformed Church was in apartheid South Africa.

Obama now realizes he has to keep the Rev. Wright covered up, which is why the day before his nationally televised campaign kickoff in Springfield, Illinois, Obama rescinded his invitation to Wright to give the invocation. Wright, however, is a loose cannon. He explained to the New York Times why he was "disinvited":

"When [Obama's] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli [in Libya]" to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, Mr. Wright recalled, "with [Black Muslim leader Louis] Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell." [March 6, 2007 Disinvitation by Obama Is Criticized By Jodi Kantor]

Indeed.

Obama's "spiritual mentor" just won't shut up because the man of God is also a man of wrath. The New York Times article about his disinviting had largely disappeared down the memory hole. But then the Rev. Wright released a long, angry letter denouncing the Times for, well, for quoting him correctly.

None of this is to say that Obama shouldn't be President. That's up to the voters to decide. What the public needs, however, are the facts about the candidates.

Unfortunately, honest inquiries into race are not the mainstream media's strong suit.

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/070325_obama.htm

Events are proving Shelby Steele's view of Obama as a man who really hasn't come to terms with himself to be the most accurate one. People on the left and right are trying to figure Obama out and when honest with themselves scratch their heads from confusion.

Steele claims that Obama is a superbly talented politician, possibly the best of our time, though he doesn't really have the convictions of a man who knows himself and is comfortable with his core convictions. This is probably why he succumbed to the blandishments of the black liberation preacher, Jeremiah Wright, for twenty years and then easily abandoned him when the political going got rough. It's, also, why he easily changed his view on FISA and will probably do so on Iraq. This is not mere political maneuvering.

Steele in his book holds some hope that Obama could come together at the center in which case he could become a fine president. Meanwhile, the American people will be rolling the dice with him.

Steele, also, claims that Obama is liked, particularly by women, for his essentially soft bargaining stance toward whites, as opposed to the challenging blacks including Sharpton and Jackson.

When anyone asks the hard questions about what he has actually accomplished in his career, the answer is very little, except perhaps the books, both of which one finds ambiguous at the core. Can anyone dispute Steve Sailer's above summary of his thin accomplishments?

Steele is probably wrong that Obama can't be elected. The political tides are running strongly in his favor, as they were when Carter defeated Ford. The American presidency is a great tester of men; we shall perhaps see for better or worse what kind of real stuff he has.

"But as someone who always wants to know more, rather than less, about people running for President"

Why, when it won't make any difference to how you vote? McCain committed actual adultery, not the nonsense you discussed recently, on a disabled wife, and having then married the woman he cheated with, called her in public a cunt. You're still going to vote for him.

And let's not forget you've already said you would vote Vitter.

You want to know more about the Democrat candidate, to try to dig up and stir. Again, fine, but stop being so shifty about it.

Mike asks:

"What is the likelihood that Wright will have any influence on a Democratic administration...?"

The person who will have the most influence on an Obama Administration is Barack Obama. Until very recently, Obama repeatedly claimed, over and over, that Jeremiah Wright was a major influence on him.

Perhaps Obama was lying in all his tributes to Wright. Perhaps all these years in his church, and all that money given to Wright ($53k since he was elected to the Senate), was just a scam on Obama's part to bolster his credentials as a Christian and/or a black.

I don't know.

Perhaps somebody should ask Obama about it.

Perhaps you could answer the questions you've already been asked on here, that would be a start.

"Sure, there were big time black opera singers like Marian Anderson as far back as between the Wars, but black youths aren’t interested in that kind of acting white anymore."

This quote of yours, of course, also has no bearing on what you think of Obama.

And in general, no white politician has ever created a persona for themselves.

Next quote not relevant but can't not add it:

"Even though blacks may tend to have a natural advantage at creating resonant vocal tones, the very idea of singing opera is totally off their radar."

somebody should ask...

Just to try to look at this from a different angle to highlight it's inanity all the more, some common criticisms of Tony Blair from the Guardian (my editing)

"Blair appears only as a grinning face on a TV monitor at the end...there's something protean about our departing leader...he's essentially a self-invented fictional character."

Was he playing white, or English (Blair was born in Scotland), or Middle class, etc etc.

Well, the answer is he's a politician. It's what they do.

But he's white, so nobody asked such fucking stupid questions in the first place.

I'm amused by all the outraged Know-Nothingists who emerge to denounce my suggestion that perhaps somebody should ask the Presidential frontrunner some questions about the disparities between his autobiography and his campaign consultant's version of his biography.

It's far better for the voters to remain ignorant!

Okay, if the person of Barack Obama is too sacrosanct, too august to tolerate such impertinence on the part of the public, then somebody should ask David Axelrod why the campaign image he has created for his candidate is undermined by his candidate's autobiography.

If we are such Know-Nothingists Steve, then perhaps you could answer the questions we actually asked, and enlighten us.

And you could also address the disparity of you pretending to be respectable here, and posting on your own blog comments like this:

"What you won't hear, except from me, is that "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society."

"In contrast to New Orleans, there was only minimal looting after the horrendous 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan-because, when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks."

But you won't.

But it's not because you're white. It's because your a racist scumbag who tries to justify it with voodoo science.

"why the campaign image he has created for his candidate is undermined by his candidate's autobiography."

Just as easily said of McCain, frankly. And every presidential nominee of the past twenty years.

The last comment was meant to say if you replace autobiography with biography, as Steve no doubt would suddenly feel compelled to point that out.

Apologies for the mistake. If the server on here worked, I would trust the preview function more.

So, basically, Steve Sailor is saying Obama is Churchill. Fair enough, although I think he's more JFK, but to each his own messiah.

Ross writes: "I don't agree with the entire Steve Sailer take on Obama, but Sailer is on to something when he writes that the Democratic nominee seems to have "spent his life trying on different personalities," while his core has remained something of a mystery - perhaps even to himself."

The Great Ross Douthat/Steve Sailer Mindreading/Circle-Jerking Biathlon continues!

It's the worst spectator sport ever.

Move to strike Stevie's answer as non-responsive.

Let's make this simple. Do you expect Wright to be consulted on Supreme Court nominees? Robertson was.

By the way, Stevie, no one believes that giving money to a church is the same thing as giving money to its pastor, so when you describe church contributions as "money given to Wright", your credibility drops even further.

Dreams was quite clearly not a black nationalist book. Obama takes black nationalism seriously, tries to portray it in an attractivel light and then argues why it makes no sense. Much the same as what he does to fusionist conservatism in Audacity of Hope.

Umm, James, what's *your* explanation for the difference between what happened in New Orleans vs. Iowa and Japan?

your conviction that African-Americans are dumber than other races

Careful, wouldn't want to possibly state that there could be any systematic neurological differences between some of the 6 billion people on the planet.

"Me see differences in brains? That's unpossible!"

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/300/5616/43
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/Research/Databases/
http://spotlight.ucla.edu/faculty/john-mazziota_med/

The global team, which has thus far compiled hundreds of thousands of brain images from some 7,000 subjects...The project, culminating in the world’s largest, most comprehensive, most high-tech brain atlas ever, is anticipated for completion this year. In many respects the neuroscience equivalent of the human genome project, the brain atlas will comprise high-definition structural maps — from gross anatomy to microscopic detail — of individual brains based on age, race, gender, educational background, genetic composition and other distinguishing characteristics. Layered over the anatomical maps will be brain functions such as memory, emotion, language and speech.

Blah,

you fraudulent little clown, of those three links the first one is inaccessible, the second two say nothing about race being the determining factor.

“No two brains are the same,” says Mazziotta. “Their shape. Their size. The way they are organized.”

Perhaps he might have added, "but black brains are really dumb". If it was true.

I'm not going to play your game of having to 'explain' the New Orleans comments. That implies they are thought out and coherent, when they are just as idiotic and one-eyed as the rest of Sailer's bilge.

You can be a racist, but don't use links and quotes to things you don't understand.

Like Ross, I also like to get a feel for a politician's "deep structure". The opacity of Hillary Clinton on this score makes Obama look positively see-through, which is saying something. Anyway, my tentative take on Obama is that he is an inclusive communitarian.

The higher value he places on belonging than on autonomy reflects his communitarian impulse. Sinking his teeth more fully into the Af-Am community rather than going a more cosmopolitan bi-racial route seems to reflect that. Ditto for the importance he places on the political style of understanding and respecting political opponents.

His political liberalism reflects the "inclusive" part, and helps explain why he endorses the political substance he does, and why there is lots of overlap with a more straight-up, echt liberal.

This presented a problem for her, though, since, as we've seen, she despised white Americans.

The problem with Sailer is not that he's racist (he is, but that's not the problem here), the problem is that his reading of a text is utterly ridiculous. Here, because Obama's mom didn't have much in common with bribe-making Texas business men with trophy wives, that means she hated all white Americans. Any claim of systematic injustice in the world is equated with "God Damn America". Any liberal sympathy forever tars you as a bomb-tossing radical. He's the Jonah Goldberg of the ultra-right. Whereas Goldberg believes reasonably center-right things but defends them dishonestly, Sailer defends unreasonable things dishonestly.

He claims a record of vindication as events unfold, but that's only because his interpretations of the present are as absurd as his interpretations of the past. If you think up is down, you're going to find a lot of confirmation for you theory that gravity pulls things up. Example: "libeled his own grandmother in a passage refuted in his own memoirs" Only if you read the memoirs in Sailer-code instead of in English.

Anyone who links with any hint of approval to Steve Sailer while writing about an African-American is not to be taken seriously and is asking to have his sense of basic morality and decency questioned. Why not just link to the American Neo-Nazi Party's site?

This whole thread is fascinating in several ways, particularly for the way in which it tells us nothing at all about Barack Obama but tells us quite a bit about Steve Sailer and the people who love to hate him. I think Sailer's attitudes and his apparent goal in life (sowing racial discord) are despicable. But he does spend more time thinking about race issues than most of us, for better or worse, so he deserves a serious response. Consumatopia, above, gets at the heart of matter, but it's worth getting into specifics:

"Axelrod's idea that Obama is a post-racial transcender of race who never pays attention to race, etc etc..."

The notion that Axelrod, or any Obama supporter, thinks Obama "never pays attention to race" is absurd. We're talking about the only Presidential candidate in the last 20 years to give a serious speech about race relations. His 2004 convention speech, which thrust him into the spotlight, broached the subject several times. You can't transcend a division without paying close attention to it. To the limited extent that Obama is perceived as a "post-racial" candidate, it is because he is seen to understand, respect, and walk a mile in the shoes of both white and black Americans. It is precisely because he does not pretend that race is unimportant in America.

If "Dreams From My Father" strikes you as a contradiction of Obama's image as a candidate, then your own agenda has blinded you from appreciating what either the book or the image actually means. Full stop.

"...because Obama and I have both thought hard about 'race and inheritance,' I was able to get some distance toward understanding him beyond the usual simplistic assumptions about the implications of Obama's ancestry. Not surprisingly, I was able to predict... the Rev. Wright brouhaha ..."

It seems to me that the person you were able to understand deeply is Wright. Obama saw the best in a friend who cared deeply for his community and urged them to take more responsibility for their own actions, while turning a deaf ear to the man's occasional bombastic racial screeds. He assumed Wright would play nice and work to defuse any controversies that arose. You, on the other hand, saw right through Wright. You saw an individual who had an unhealthy obsession not with race and inheritance, but with race and resentment, an egoist who couldn't pass up an opportunity to promote himself and make provocative statements at the expense of the greater good of the people and causes he claims to care about. Someone quite like yourself. You also well understood the mindset of the sort of people who would be outraged by Wright's most pointed sound bytes in heavy rotation. So you correctly predicted the headaches that Wright would cause for Obama. But that doesn't get us any closer to understanding Obama.

"A more parsimonious explanation for what followed might be that she just couldn't stand her husband Lolo, and hated seeing her precious son fall under his influence. So, she strove to inculcate white American values in her son."

This comment reveals quite a bit about Steve Sailer. It demonstrates that he considers the ideals represented by Martin Luther King to be "white American values", but evidently does not consider the ideals represented by the American capitalists Stanley Ann hated, who greased palms and profited in Indonesia while leaving most of the nation impoverished and backward, to be "white American values." It also demonstrates that he reads the friction between Stanley Ann and Lolo on these matters as evidence that she "couldn't stand" her husband and his culture, rather than as evidence that she couldn't stand the corporate values he compromised with and disrespected him for making those compromises.

In other words, the leftist, anti-colonialist ideology that motivated Stanley Ann is somehow written out of the story entirely, replaced with a narrative of good white values, bad non-white values, and self-loathing white people who won't acknowledge their superior inheritance. The Steve Sailer interpretation of this scene is a through-the-looking-glass version of Al Sharpton's... all racial scapegoating and Tomming and no appreciation whatsoever of the complexities of American life-- such as the way that Stanley Ann clearly rejected one set of American values for another, more racially diverse set of distinctly American values, but naively wrapped that rejection in a patronizing and sexualized obsession with black men. Obama grasps his mother's virtues and flaws perfectly in that book, and it's a story of him outgrowing this miseducation while learning to love his mother despite her flaws. But Steve Sailer, reading with his own racially-tinted glasses, sees none of this.

LaFollette Progressive: ...while turning a deaf ear to the man's [Wrights] occasional bombastic racial screeds.

Actually Wright is frank to admit that his main intellectual influence has been James Cone's black liberation theology that is is summarized in the following from one of his papers:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

Obama, as bright as he is, surely knew the basis for Wright's theology, which, however much he cared for his community, is basically that of a racist. This theology is far from occasional bombastic screeds; it is the heart of his and the Trinity Church's view.

Nice try, Peter. But you can use the same transitive property to "prove" that McCain (who admired Goldwater, ardent opponent of the Civil Rights Act) is a racist, or prove that all the admirers of William F. Buckley (who also praised Franco and Pinochet) are both racist and fascist. This is a tedious game. Black liberation theology has mellowed substantially over the years, and it always contained a kernel of community service and collective self-improvement, which seems to be what attracted Obama.

The fact of the matter is that most of Wright's sermons that were (are?) available on the Trinity website were benign, and the sermons more frequently critiqued the black community than condemned white Americans. There is no excuse for the bigoted comments that were made, and Wright made a Grade-A ass of himself when he went on TV, but it's hardly implausible that Obama (as he claims) viewed those outbursts as the exception rather than the rule... in much the same way that one tolerates the occasional racist comment from a grandparent with the understanding that he or she means well but grew up in a very different era.

Unfortunately, Wright seems to have decided to prove Obama wrong. Suggesting that this somehow proves that Obama is a double-secret racist who wants to kill whitey is kind of ridiculous.

"This whole thread is fascinating in several ways, particularly for the way in which it tells us nothing at all about Barack Obama but tells us quite a bit about Steve Sailer and the people who love to hate him. I think Sailer's attitudes and his apparent goal in life (sowing racial discord) are despicable. But he does spend more time thinking about race issues than most of us, for better or worse, so he deserves a serious response."

Why? You aren't ever going to convince him of anything. Racists don't ever go away because they are reasoned with. They only retreat once the mocking gets bad enough no one takes them seriously.

Reality strikes again: "Racists don't ever go away because they are reasoned with. They only retreat once the mocking gets bad enough no one takes them seriously."

Exactly. Steve Sailer isn't just a white supremacist, he's an unapologetic one trying to put a nice, genteel face on his poison, just like David Duke. That he spends a lot of time doing so doesn't make him more deserving of a seat at the table - it makes him more deserving of having his food pissed in and of having his ass kicked. Rhetorically speaking, of course. You'd never want to befoul yourself by actually touching a scumbag like him.

And because Obama and I have both thought hard about "race and inheritance," I was able to get some distance toward understanding him...

When one is allowed to be the judge of his own work, it's not surprising to hear stories of wild success.

Since this is the assertion underlying all of the rest of the psychodrivel that pours forth, it seems that you need credit Sailer only to the extent that you accept his powers of mind-reading or remote pyschoanalysis. I don't believe most people understand themselves half as well as he claims to understand a man he has presumably never met.

As usual, the rage to engage in Two Minute Hates against me for crimethink continues to outweigh curiosity about the Presidential frontrunner.

The bottom line, though, is that there are significant discrepancies between the frontrunner's 2008 "biography-based" campaign image and his 1995 autobiography.

Perhaps somebody should ask the man who would be President about them? Or is it better that we all fly blind, taking the candidate on faith, like we more or less did in 2000 with the current President? How's that working out for us?

It's not crimethink, it's just we consider you racist vermin, a judgment based on your own words, much the same way you are judging Obama.

Perhaps we should ask why you are so obsessed with the black man? Is it a simple Freudian fear, or a deeper rage that you have African DNA deep within you.

Or perhaps a secret desire to have some deep within you. Nightly.

LaFolletteProgressive, the main point is that Wright's admitted major intellectual influence was Jame's Cone's view of black liberation theology and that Obama had to have known this during his twenty years as a member of Trinity Church. Those "occasional" bombastic racial screeds that you referred to were in fact at the heart of Wright's basic religious and social views. Whathard evidence do you have that Obama turned a deaf ear to Wright's rather racist views, notwithstanding his recent rejection of Wright on obviously political grounds? You are obviously soft-soaping Wright's rather definite racist views and Obama's acceptance of them.

Steve Sailer is exactly right that some hard questions ought to be put to Obama about his relationship to Wright and other matters. Those who vilify Sailer as some sort of racist are falling into the same trap as those who smeared Charles Murray and Richard Heernstein who wrote a rather valuable book, The Bell Curve.

Sailer - after crying some more about being ridiculed for his supposed "crimethink" - stupidly writes: "Perhaps somebody should ask the man who would be President about them? Or is it better that we all fly blind, taking the candidate on faith, like we more or less did in 2000 with the current President? How's that working out for us?"

Where's your equivalent mindreading on McCain, wingnut? And who is this "we" who took Dumbya "on faith" in 2000? That was you and your ilk. Those of us who knew what he was didn't base it on his religion, either - we based it on his lack of real accomplishments and his PUBLICLY-DEMONSTRATED stupidity, along with looking at the warmongering neocons who supported him. It wasn't based on cherry-picked crap one of his pastors said. It wasn't based on an ancient paper his wife wrote.

You're not wearing any clothes under those robes, Stevie.

Peter,

Steve is vilified as a racist not because of what he wrote about Obama but because he is a racist. It's pretty clear from his own words.

He can 'judge' Obama as disingenuous (my God, a politician who is disingenuous) and we can 'judge' him to be racist vermin from his endless excretions.

Let's not pretend that he has any scientific credentials whatsoever, that's just an embarrassing line of defense.

As usual, the rage to engage in Two Minute Hates against me for crimethink continues to outweigh curiosity about the Presidential frontrunner.

There's no "crimethink" here to be addressed. Questioning the character of a politician is hardly novel.

I just don't particularly credit your ability to probe the deep hidden inner workings of others from a distance, and, frankly, the am generally unsure of the merits of probing the deep hidden inner workings of politicians (compared to, say, their voting records and stated policy preferences).

(Of course, I think the failures of W were fairly predictable from his record and his general lack of knowledge, without ever trying to delve into what made him become an alcoholic and what it all means to be the son of a former one-term president.)

Racism:
Mirriam-Webster:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

How does the above not describe Sailer's beliefs, and thus not define him as a racist?

"Exactly. Steve Sailer isn't just a white supremacist, he's an unapologetic one trying to put a nice, genteel face on his poison, just like David Duke. That he spends a lot of time doing so doesn't make him more deserving of a seat at the table - it makes him more deserving of having his food pissed in and of having his ass kicked. Rhetorically speaking, of course. You'd never want to befoul yourself by actually touching a scumbag like him.

Posted by MoeLarryAndJesus | July 3, 2008 3:45 PM"

Good point. The bigger question is why Ross, after coming out with a book aimed at re-branding the Republican Party, embraces such human filth. One of the most disgusting thing about the GOP since Nixon has been the Southern Strategy, which the RNC has admitted was based on appealing to white racism. If Ross wants his attempts to rebrand the GOP to be taken seriously, he has to make a choice about whether or not he wants to continue to embrace the racism of the GOP's past.

Since commenters here seem more interested in raging against me than in learning more about the Presidential frontrunner, I will suggest that if they want to learn my views on race, they can start with a Frequently Asked Question about Race list I made up in 2007:

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/071216_race_faq.htm

No Steve, we won't judge you when you are pretending to behave and using half-assed pseudo-science. We'll judge you when you are more relaxed and your bile flows freely, as amply quoted above and on your own blog.

Could you answer this also:

>i>1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

How does the above not describe your beliefs?

And, in the unlikely event that commenters here want to actually learn anything about IQ, here is my FAQ on the Forbidden Topic:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/071203_iq.htm

The Overseer replies: "Since commenters here seem more interested in raging against me than in learning more about the Presidential frontrunner"

I'd love to know more about the presidential frontrunner, Stevie, but from what I've seen you have less insight into him than Dumbya Bush had into Iraq in 2002. There is nothing in your history that makes you credible on this topic.

So how are you and the Southern Poverty Law Center getting along these days? Do they still hold you in the sort of high regard that they do David Duke?

And will you still be babbling about Jeremiah Wright on your white-sheeted death bed?

Thanks Steve, looked at the IQ page, didn't take long:

Q. Isn't there an Ebonics IQ test on which blacks outscore whites?

A. You can make up a test asking, say, "Do you eat, drink, or shoot a '40'?" on which inner city blacks might outscore Korean-Americans.

you are a piece of shit.

Just as in every other thread he participates in, Sailer makes assertions about Obama, others explain why the assertions are bogus, he pretends no one has responded to his assertions. He's worse than a racist. He's a bullshitter.

Jonah Goldberg is at least smart enough to only play this game on his own blog, so that at least the illusion of responding to criticism is maintained.

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/071203_iq.htm

This page just keeps on giving:

"the good news about IQ tests is that they are un-outsmartable. If you can use your brain to figure out what answers the test makers want, well, then you have a high IQ."

So having an education where tests very similar in format if not content are frequent, and having the finances to hire a trainer to teach you how to take such tests play no part whatsoever?

How wonderful that a moron is obsessed with IQ

Peter Leavitt's James Cone quote is discussed here:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/03/black_church/print.html

I don't expect everyone to find its justification convincing. But I think it does add enough shades of gray that attempting to tar someone like Obama two degrees of indirection away from Cone is pretty silly, as are the "hard questions" Steve and others are proposing.

Consumatopia, I quite understand that Cone speaks for oppressed black people and has good historical reason for this. The problem is that he counters egregious white racism with black racism. Martin Luther King well understood the evils of white racism, though he countered it by holding white people to the Christian ideal of equality before God and the American ideal of equality contained in the Declaration anbd other fouunding documents. Cone argues that with the help of the black Jesus black people must shatter the oppressive white people in order to free themselves. If you don't believe this read his volume Black Theology and
Black Power.

According to Juan Williams only about one in ten black churches espouse the racist black liberation theology of Wright and Cone. Williams, like Steve Sailer, has asked Obama, a bright Columbia and Harvard Law graduate, how it is that he came for twenty years to apparently accept Wright's and Cone's patently black racist view. Williams argues that Obama didn't come close to answering the question in his formal address on the issue of race.

the second two say nothing about race being the determining factor.

Careful James, don't listen to this recording of Maziotta or your head might explode!

http://web.archive.org/web/20031003042233/http://www.theworld.org/content/07295.wma

at around 2 minutes & 40 seconds, when the interviewer asks about the contrasts in the multi-nation survey, Dr. John Maziotta responds that there are "...differences between Asian brains and European brains...brains in Asian populations tend to be spherical...European brains tend to be more elongated...this must be some aspect of evolution and how the genetics of the brain determine its shape and structure...."

Of course as we all know, systematic differences in brain structure between groups mean NOTHING, certainly NOTHING about systematic differences in brain functions. Let's get back to calling everyone a racist! Doesn't that feel *good* to denounce the heretic (who of course must know less than an *expert* on neuroscience like yourself...)

Moe writes:

So how are you and the Southern Poverty Law Center getting along these days? Do they still hold you in the sort of high regard that they do David Duke?

Oh, God, do the people at the Make Morris Dees Rich Law Center dislike Steve Sailer? Horrors! Sailer must be a bad guy then!

the second two say nothing about race being the determining factor.

Careful James, don't listen to this recording of Maziotta or your head might explode!

http://web.archive.org/web/20031003042233/http://www.theworld.org/content/07295.wma

at around 2 minutes & 40 seconds, when the interviewer asks about the contrasts in the multi-nation survey, Dr. John Maziotta responds that there are "...differences between Asian brains and European brains...brains in Asian populations tend to be spherical...European brains tend to be more elongated...this must be some aspect of evolution and how the genetics of the brain determine its shape and structure...."

Of course as we all know, systematic differences in brain structure between groups mean NOTHING, certainly NOTHING about systematic differences in brain functions.

Glaivester writes: "Oh, God, do the people at the Make Morris Dees Rich Law Center dislike Steve Sailer? Horrors! Sailer must be a bad guy then!"

There's something exceedingly creepy about your relationship with Sailer, chuckles. Just how old were you when he gave that speech at your Khristian Kiddie Kamp?

Welcome to Krusty's Komedy Klub! Huh? KKK? That's not good...

Blah,

I was referring to IQ. The issue was not whether there are genetic differences between races (let's assume that race is proven and as strictly defined by your fuhrer, so I don't confuse you further), but whether those differences mean innate superiority.

(the belief known as racism, in case you missed what the earlier comments were about)

You realise that brains are plastic, that they develop in reaction to their environment and stimulus, yes? so you would need to exclusively scan pre-verbal infants to prove your vaunted difference.

But, let's go with that. Where does it follow that even if brains are difference in shape, one race will be inferior? You'll discover next that men are smarter than women because men have bigger brains.

You are deliberately taking a piece of data of a study in progress, which Mazziotta himself says is in its infancy, and not only creating a correlation which does not exist, but pronouncing it as fact.

You really are scum. Mazziotta would be disgusted at vermin like you trying to twist his research into propaganda.

I'm tempted to go on and on, but it's clear you have an agenda pure and simple. Let's just leave you with a couple of data points from the Grand Wizard.

"A. Yes. Ashkenazi (European) Jews appear to average the highest—maybe around 110-112—followed by Northeast Asians (105), and then by gentile white Europeans and North Americans (100)"

But their brains are different shapes! How can
this be!

The data set Sailer uses is highly flawed in its methodology, for example, in Taiwan, an 'ad hoc' test of 480 people appears to be given the same weight as a CPM test of 43,825 people.

Let's assume it's accurate, however, because these are too good to not point out:

Two tests in Zimbabwe for the same age group in the same year yielded a pre-flynn result(the use of which in sailers data is somewhat arbitrary, unsurprisingly) of 67.2 and 72.1.

My favourite is:

East Germany 103
West Germany 95

Obviously the air blockade changed the shape of the East German brain. What else could accord for such a discrepancy?

See what happens when you give people like Sailer credibility, Ross? They come out from the woodwork pretending to be decent human beings. You're a disgrace for posting Sailer's work in the first place.

James, one can debate the validity of I.Q. statistics applied to race; however, as Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein's classic book, The Bell Curve, points out, policy makers, especially educational ones, need to the know the realities of the very real differences in general intelligence among racial; groups. This doesn't make any racial or ethnic group morally better or worse; it simply applies to the very real factor of intelligence. I'm perfectly willing to concede that Ashkenazi Jews and Northeast Asians are on average more intelligent than we white folk.

Steve Sailer in my view is a decent person who is honestly interested in various racial matters. This doesn't make him a racist. Ross Douthat finds Sailer's to be an interesting modern voice; I agree with him.

Shelby Steele argues that white folk need to get over their intense liberal guilt including the tendency to declare honest discussions of various ethnic and racial matters off limits. In some ways liberals have become modern Puritans who are quick to plaster the R sign on conservative heads.

Peter,

You're quoting the Bell Curve as if the authors findings are universally accepted. They aren't, despite the argument raging since it's publication in 1994.

They themselves stated "The debate about whether and how much genes and environment have to do with ethnic differences remains unresolved."

So if IQ statistics are debatable, then given the lack of alternatives, you cannot state 'the very real differences in general intelligence in racial groups' as if it is a proven fact. It isn't.

I've not called you a racist, and its possible you genuinely think Sailers data is accurate and honest.

Mr Sailer, unfortunately, has, and repeatedly shown his true feelings. The statements I quoted above alone are enough.

He believes that a certain race are inferior, it's so obvious that really to not see that is to not see anything.

I think that's the last comment I'll do on this post; the more Sailer and Blah and their ilk are debated, the more likely it appears they actually have something to debate, and all they do is ignore, mispresent and lie.

Of course, if Ross had some sense of basic propriety or even quality control, they wouldn't have the courage to spurt such garbage in the first place.

James, The Bell Curve in fact points out that the general intelligence gap between blacks and whites has significantly narrowed in recent decades which would indicate that the that environmental factor is significant; however this doesn't obviate the very real differences in general intelligence among racial and ethnic groups and the need to understand them.

Murreay has never minded criticism of his work, though he has seriously suffered, as does apparently Sailer, from the vicious and mindless accusations that he is some sort of a nasty racist.

Since you were probably writing that before I posted Peter, I'll respond then call it a day.

None of what you are saying about the Bell Curve proves your statement about the 'very real differences'.

It may well turn out one day that it there is a difference in intelligence based on race. But at the moment there is no data whatsoever can isolate race from environment, family, experiences, language, etc clearly enough.

Until that point, where liberals see effect (low IQ is due to a social/racial groups poverty and social conditions), conservatives may see cause (poverty and poor social conditions are due to the social/racial groups low IQ). Liberals at least usually well-meaning in their conclusion. Not all conservatives are.

I'm more than a little disturbed by your pairing Murray with Sailer. Murray has some credibility and did some original work. Sailer is a racist clown who misuses other more intelligent people's work.

To bring it back to the original post, Sailer is demanding we judge Obama on. Obama is possibly disenguous and probably somewhat opportunistic with regards to Wright. In other words, a politician.

Sailer, however, judged by his own words, is vermin.

Apologies - final paragraph should be

"To bring it back to the original post, Sailer is demanding we judge Obama on his words"

The vermin part is correct.

Reality Man -- Why? You aren't ever going to convince him of anything. Racists don't ever go away because they are reasoned with. They only retreat once the mocking gets bad enough no one takes them seriously.

No, the point isn't to convince him of anything. That's a lost cause. Mockery is fine up to a point, but as you can clearly see in this thread it mostly just feeds into his martyr complex, in which he is the brave truth-teller scorned by foolish elites.

The point is to show him up for what he is: a phony. Sailer fancies himself a Renaissance Man and a Scholar of genetics and sociology. His primary rhetorical gambit is to write racially-loaded pop-psych comments, wait for the inevitable backlash, and then claim that no one takes him seriously. Whenever anyone calls him out with a serious response, he ignores it and falls back on links to his own website. Self-promotion, egoism, persecution complex, pop science racialism... that's all he's got. If I were to turn his own kitchen table psychoanalysis back around at him, I'd say he's a kid with a high IQ score who fancied his own genetic superiority, and never bothered to grow up and join the human race.

And yet he's also a published journalist, not merely some lone wanker with a blog, and many people unfortunately do seem to take him seriously. You can't just ignore these types. You have to discredit them.

Petey leavitts: "I'm perfectly willing to concede that Ashkenazi Jews and Northeast Asians are on average more intelligent than we white folk."

You read it right, folks. Peter Leavitt doesn't think Europeans Jews qualify as "white folk." Which puts his racial sensibility right there with Hitler's.

What a shock.

Peter is mourning the "loss" of Jesse Helms today, I suspect.

Ok, so all of the mountains of evidence that there are racial disparites in intelligence have fatal flaws.

Where is the evidence that there is racial uniformity of intelligence?

Bodies differ in measurable ways among races; black people are on average taller than white people, have larger testicles per body weight than whites or asians (the sainted Jared Diamond did a study about it), have lower body fat percentages, etc. Why should brains be different? These are groups that were isolated from interbreeding for thousands of years and existed in different environments. There is no reason to expect that the distribution of traits would be the same between groups and more importantly there is no evidence for it.

Oh no, I think I've figured it out. People here are creationists! Wait, do you guys prefer "intelligent design"?

Speaking as someone who knows very little about Steve Sailer, IQ, etc., I want to thank LaFollette Progressive for responding. Whenever I saw Sailer brought up in comments, it was usually just to revile him. This is a first time, at least for my limited experience, that someone has responded to him rather directly; I have not been very impressed with his responses, which do sort of have a machinelike "repeat the talking points" quality to them. I'm also not impressed by his central point, that Obama's 1995 autobiography differs markedly from the 2007-8 autobiography he advances. First, a lot can change about the way a person sees himself over the course of thirteen years; when I was nineteen I was an utterly convinced libertarian; now that I am thirty-two I am rather centrist, I think. If I had written my autobiography when I was nineteen, it would have emphasized my intelligence, my wit, etc. Now, it probably wouldn't, as going through graduate school often reveals to one where one stands relative to others (worse than I thought at nineteen, that's for sure!). Second, if there are unpopular views he had in 1995 that he continues to have, it's no wonder that he doesn't share them. It would be, as others have pointed out, politically disadvantageous. Nevertheless, I agree that I would like to know what he believes nowadays about race, etc., and how his views about his own identity have changed, etc. However, I don't know that that's really a super-important issue; I doubt that he's going to try to pass anything particularly radical, based on his comportment in the campaign so far. If he ever was a radical, I don't think he is anymore--I doubt he's a stealth radical.

[Side-note: why do I want to know about Obama's views on race? Because his race gives him a position to say things that white politicians can't say, and I find him much more thoughtful and intriguing than almost any other modern-day politician I've seen. This leads into why I don't care what are McCain's views about race. First, I don't think McCain is particularly smart or interesting, and second, I don't think he thinks much about race, so what he'd have to say about it would be boilerplate.]

Steve Johnson,

Do you know what the "null hypothesis" is? Or why scientists do not require evidence for it, but only against it?

What we seem to know is the following:

*Within socially defined groups, IQ is largely heritable. You cannot, however, use the same measures across socially defined groups, since you cannot easily distinguish between the socio-cultural differences and the genetic ones. Heritabiliity of not being able to vote in Louisiana in 1960 was a lot higher than heritability of IQ.

*Across historical time, cultural shifts lead to rapidly increasing IQs, presumably without significant genetic changes (the Flynn effect).

What we don't know is:

*What the selection disadvantages of higher "g" might be. Selection advantages seem obvious.

*Why there would be any difference in selective advantages or disadvantages based on continent of origin.

Note that well-attested differences in non-neutral genes occur when there is a clear difference in selective advantage. For example, indigenous North and South Americans did not have resistance to Eurasian diseases, while Eurasians typically don't have resistance to African ones.

If "g" gives a big selection advantage, what evidence is there that gene flow among Africans, Europeans and Asians before 1500 was too low to spread that advantage around quite efficiently?

I would agree that "racism" is a normative term denoting unfair treatment of other groups, and should be distinguished from purely empirical issues. Biological differences between men and women are undeniable: they do not justify sexism, and biological differences between people of different continental origin would not justify racism. Nor is a belief in such differences a necessary condition for racism. You could think that all differences are environmentally-caused and back racial profiling, and closely related ethnic groups frequently hate each other.

"Questioner" addresses the rather more important question of "What is the Presidential frontrunner really like?" rather than the more popular question of "Who hates Steve Sailer most?" when he notes:

"I'm also not impressed by his central point, that Obama's 1995 autobiography differs markedly from the 2007-8 autobiography he advances. First, a lot can change about the way a person sees himself over the course of thirteen years; when I was nineteen I was an utterly convinced libertarian; now that I am thirty-two I am rather centrist, I think."

I, too, find it highly possible that the Democratic candidate has seriously changed his worldview between age 33, when he published his autobiography, and today. There is evidence that his crushing defeat at the hands of an ex-Black Panther in the Democratic House primary in 2000 caused much soulsearching, although Obama's 2006 account of what he learned from it ranges from vague to implausible.

There are, however, two problems with this theory that Obama has matured ideologically from 1995 to 2008:

1. Obama specifically denied it in 2004, writing in the preface to the reissue of Dreams From my Father:

"I cannot honestly say, however, that the voice in this book is not mine—that I would tell the story much differently today than I did ten years ago, even if certain passages have proven to be inconvenient politically, the grist for pundit commentary and opposition research."

2. Yet, despite his expectation that his autobiography would become "grist for pundit commentary and opposition research," it really hasn't. Few in the Main Stream Media have yet given it the kind of close reading that a work of high literary merit about the presumptive next president of the United States deserves. Thus, after Obama had pretty much wrapped up the nomination by early March, the media was then recurrently surprised by "new" revelations about Obama's past and present, revelations that were hardly surprising to the small number of people who had put in the hard work to study the frontrunner's life.

Barack Obama is an extremely gifted verbalist, with stronger skills of literary composition than any President since, perhaps, Lincoln. If he has matured into centrism since 1995, he should tell us that and he should tell us why. In contrast, if he hasn't, then the public ought to know that, too.

On the other hand, many commenters here seem convinced that only the vilest of the vile would commit the high crime of lèse majesté by being so impertinent as to read a Presidential candidate's statements about himself and ask questions about discrepancies.

"Do you know what the "null hypothesis" is? Or why scientists do not require evidence for it, but only against it?"

Why is the null hypothesis in this case that there are zero group differences? Racial groups were isolated breeding groups. On other traits, these groups (as identified by ancestry) differ in averages and distribution. The null hypothesis should be that these groups will also differ on mental traits like intelligence, even if there were no other evidence that this was the case. This was one of the points Watson made.

On top of this there are the mountains of evidence that all point in one direction and the complete lack of evidence that points in the other. Where has there ever been a society of people of African descent that has produced art and architecture like Renaissance Italy or Ming Dynasty China? Where in all the world are the winners of scientific Noble prizes of African descent? Fields medal winners?

"If "g" gives a big selection advantage, what evidence is there that gene flow among Africans, Europeans and Asians before 1500 was too low to spread that advantage around quite efficiently?"

g has a cost. If it didn't, everyone would be as intelligent as Newton. Why aren't people all 7 feet tall given that women have a well documented preference for taller men? Same reason, there are costs. In addition, g, like any other trait thought of as desirable, has larger and smaller advantages in different environments. Why do East Asian people have higher body fat percentages? Well, I guess that they were under different selective pressures than peoples who have more muscular builds and that the energy expenditure of additional muscles didn't have a positive payoff. It's not just "more g = better". It's how much g can an individual afford.

On top of all of this there is direct evidence of all of the following:

1) Some genes that are known to effect intelligence differ in allele frequency between Asians, whites and Africans. HalfSigma points out the dtnbp1 alleles and the differences in frequency of alleles between races.

2) As someone pointed out on this thread, there is evidence that different racial groups have different brain shapes. Is it known what effect this has? No, not really but it is dead certain that this is evidence that the brain isn't a magical organ that is immune to the forces of selection.

I've given a bunch of reasons to make the null hypothesis "genetic differences cause group differences in mental traits". What are your reasons for arguing that the null hypothesis should be "all group differences in mental traits must have origins that are not genetic"? Do you have any reasons for this contention?

Sailer again: "On the other hand, many commenters here seem convinced that only the vilest of the vile would commit the high crime of lèse majesté by being so impertinent as to read a Presidential candidate's statements about himself and ask questions about discrepancies."

Ah, is that all you do, Stevie? How about the bullshit conclusions you reach via mindreading, like the one about how Michelle Obama feels "bitterness" toward the "white race" and how Obama will spend his hypothetical 2nd term wreaking vengeance on her behalf?

And what sort of questions were you asking about Dumbya Bush in 2000? What sort of questions are you asking about McCain now?

None, of course. Because you're an intellectual prostitute and your customers don't pay for those inquiries. This is your livelihood, and you only grease up for one side.

Tally ho!

Charles Krauthammer ends a recent article on Obama's lurch to the right with the following:

Of course, once he gets there he will have to figure out what he really believes. The conventional liberal/populist stuff he campaigned on during the primaries? Or the reversals he is so artfully offering up now?
I have no idea. Do you? Does he?

Again, this confirms Shelby Steele's view in Bound that from a close reading of both his books Obama reveals himself to not really have a solid or cohesive core from which he bases any of his political or even religious convictions. McCain has adjusted some of his positions, as all politician do, though no one seriously questions the cohesiveness of his basic personality.

Damn, MLaJ beat me to it, but here goes anyway.

The essence (bear with me) of Steve Sailer:

Barack Obama is an extremely gifted verbalist, with stronger skills of literary composition than any President since, perhaps, Lincoln. If he has matured into centrism since 1995, he should tell us that and he should tell us why . . . (M)any commenters here seem convinced that only the vilest of the vile would commit the high crime of lèse majesté by being so impertinent as to read a Presidential candidate's statements about himself and ask questions about discrepancies.

Taken out of context, a reasonable - even complimentary - statement about Obama and a literate challenge to the rest of us. Could fool some of the people some of the time.

But that missing context is everything.

Why is it, Steve, that you weren't parsing W's reflections on his conquering alcoholism / alcohol abuse and what he learned about himself in the process? Leaving aside, of course, the fact that W never wrote such a thing, surely it would have been as interesting, and even more relevant, a topic for your 'research' on Presidential candidates than a candidate's racial identity.

So you see how your 'empirical' approach to analyzing Obama - not to mention all that blather about the free pass on W - reveals itself as completely empty, don't you?

And please let us know when your 'research' on John McCain is up.

Steve Johnson,


I tend to be agnostic on the subject of racial differences in physical and psychological traits, although as a matter of faith I believe that all human beings are deserving of equal treatment. However, you appear to be misusing the term 'null hypothesis'. The null hypothesis isn't the hypothesis that we think is most likely- one can have a null hypothesis that we think is very unlikely. The null hypothesis in a situation like this is almost by definition, zero difference. If for no other reason than that the null hypothesis requires a _quantitative_ difference specified in advance, and we have no reason to hypothesize any particular number a priori for the group differernce in IQ. "Differences exist" is not an adequate null hypotheses: that the difference is 1%, or 10%, or as is more usual, 0%, is an adequate one.

"I tend to be agnostic on the subject of racial differences in physical and psychological traits, although as a matter of faith I believe that all human beings are deserving of equal treatment. However, you appear to be misusing the term 'null hypothesis'. The null hypothesis isn't the hypothesis that we think is most likely- one can have a null hypothesis that we think is very unlikely. The null hypothesis in a situation like this is almost by definition, zero difference."

The problem with your stance is that there are differences both physical and mental between races. You may prefer to be agnostic on the matter but the only reason you can remain so is due to lack of knowledge. There has never been a study or survey that has not shown group differences. The null hypothesis of "no group differences" has to be conclusively rejected. On the other hand, people who know this claim that it's not due to genes, it's due to environment and that these differences might all go away with a change in environment.

What is in dispute is the cause of these differences and it's there that the choice of the null hypothesis is made. Some claim that "differences are not caused by genes" should be the null hypothesis. This is absurd. In biology, if you have isolated breeding groups that differ in physical traits and in genes, you'd ascribe differences in behavior to those differences in genes as the hypothesis to be refuted. The difference between races is of that nature. There are known genetic differences that effect brain structure (more vs less spherical brains for Asians and Europeans, for example), there are documented physical differences, and there is a large amount of evidence regarding behavioral differences.

Differences exist vs differences do not exist is settled. The cause of these differences has enough evidence to be settled but is not accepted; all of the evidence is on one side of the question.